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1. 01:21 AM - Re: fuel line? (Dave Bigelow)
2. 05:01 AM - Re: fuel line? (Thomas R. Riddle)
3. 06:08 AM - Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (John Hauck)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (Robert Laird)
5. 06:41 AM - Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (HShack@aol.com)
6. 08:25 AM - Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (John Hauck)
7. 08:32 AM - Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (Robert Laird)
8. 08:50 AM - Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (George Alexander)
9. 09:07 AM - Re: fuel line? (lucien)
10. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (Robert Laird)
11. 10:09 AM - Fw: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assistance Program" (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
12. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: fuel line? (John Hauck)
13. 10:37 AM - Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista (lucien)
14. 11:17 AM - Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista (JetPilot)
15. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista (David Carr)
16. 12:02 PM - Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista (lucien)
17. 01:40 PM - Firestar II Center of Gravity? (Goodone)
18. 03:34 PM - Curtiss America (robert bean)
19. 03:55 PM - Re: Curtiss America (Dana Hague)
20. 04:21 PM - Re: Curtiss America (russ kinne)
21. 04:34 PM - Re: Curtiss America (robert bean)
22. 04:35 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (N27SB@aol.com)
23. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (John Hauck)
24. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (Dana Hague)
25. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (John Hauck)
26. 05:35 PM - Ultrastar crash (Dana Hague)
27. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (robert bean)
28. 06:02 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (Dana Hague)
29. 06:20 PM - Re: Curtiss America (Dennis Souder)
30. 06:20 PM - Re: Curtiss America (Dennis Souder)
31. 06:31 PM - Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (Jimmy Young)
32. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (John Hauck)
33. 06:39 PM - Re: Firestar II Center of Gravity? (N111KX (Kip))
34. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (Dana Hague)
35. 07:02 PM - Re: Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (John Hauck)
36. 07:33 PM - Re: Curtiss America (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
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> Tygothane C210 ESTER is formulated for all type of fuel
> Superthane ESTER is supposed to be a near equivalent.
>
Jack, do you have a source for these two types of fuel line?
Thanks.
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Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, HKS 700E
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I copied the following from New Age's website. Note the bit about
water and about modern fuel additives. I could find nothing about
ethanol tolerance.
Notes
^^Hydrolytic Stability -- For resistance to moisture and fungus,
SUPERTHANE ether is recommended (Ester polyurethane does not react
well with water, prolonged humid conditions, or attack from fungus.)
The ether-based formulation is listed by the National Sanitation
Foundation (NSF 61). It also resists attack from ultra-violet rays
making it a good material for outside use.
SUPERTHANE PU tubing is much more resistant to pressure and vacuum
applications than corresponding sizes of PVC or rubber.
^Although polyurethane is commonly used in fuel applications, due to
additives in today's gasoline and petroleum products, field testing
should be performed.
Thom in Buffalo
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Subject: | Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming |
Hope all our Kolb folks in the area of Ike are ok.
As of this morning, I have not heard from any of my Kolb friends from that
area.
Weather at hauck's holler is beautiful. Based on it, one would never
suspect what is happening on the Gulf coast.
Don't know how this storm will affect weather between Thursday and Sunday.
Hopefully, we will be blessed with good flying weather and have a successful
Kolb Homecoming.
Whether you fly, drive, or walk, everyone make an extra effort to attend.
The folks at TNK go to great length to make all of us Kolbers feel at home,
comfortable, and well fed.
The 2001 Kolb Homecoming was canceled. However, some of us felt so strongly
about attending we decided to fly to TNK anyway. I can not remember who
showed up for that Homecoming. We had a good time despite the troubled
times.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming |
The eye of Ike passed about 45 miles to my east... winds are in the 75mph
range, and there's lots of hard rain, lots of debris flying through the
air... power is out in my area, and reports say 2 million people in the
Houston/Galveston area are without power.
So far, though, no major issues.
-- Robert
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:07 AM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Hope all our Kolb folks in the area of Ike are ok.
>
> As of this morning, I have not heard from any of my Kolb friends from that
> area.
>
> Weather at hauck's holler is beautiful. Based on it, one would never
> suspect what is happening on the Gulf coast.
>
> Don't know how this storm will affect weather between Thursday and Sunday.
> Hopefully, we will be blessed with good flying weather and have a successful
> Kolb Homecoming.
>
> Whether you fly, drive, or walk, everyone make an extra effort to attend.
> The folks at TNK go to great length to make all of us Kolbers feel at home,
> comfortable, and well fed.
>
> The 2001 Kolb Homecoming was canceled. However, some of us felt so
> strongly about attending we decided to fly to TNK anyway. I can not
> remember who showed up for that Homecoming. We had a good time despite the
> troubled times.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
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deserve that either."
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Subject: | Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming |
Price of gas was up over $1.00 a gallon last night; wonder how long that
will last.............?
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
In a message dated 9/13/2008 9:27:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rlaird@cavediver.com writes:
The eye of Ike passed about 45 miles to my east... winds are in the 75mph
range, and there's lots of hard rain, lots of debris flying through the air...
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Subject: | Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming |
Robert:
Glad you are ok.
Still waiting to hear from Gary Haley NW of Houston.
We got some more Kolb folks down that way also.
john h - Blue bird perfect day at hauck's holler, alabama.
mkIII
So far, though, no major issues.
-- Robert
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Subject: | Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming |
Gary lives about 15 miles due east of me which would, of course, put him 30
miles from path of the eye. Not too many trees in his aviation subdivision,
so he's probably okay, but I'd bet his power is out.... almost everyone in
Houston has no power.
-- R
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:23 AM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> Robert:
>
> Glad you are ok.
>
> Still waiting to hear from Gary Haley NW of Houston.
>
> We got some more Kolb folks down that way also.
>
> john h - Blue bird perfect day at hauck's holler, alabama.
> mkIII
>
>
> So far, though, no major issues.
>
> -- Robert
>
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>
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glass."
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Subject: | Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming |
John Hauck wrote:
>
> We got some more Kolb folks down that way also.
>
>
Anyone hear from Jimmy Young yet?
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George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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Steve Boetto wrote:
> Lucien, If you follow this link you can see how I did it. I used Yamaha
Outboard fuel line on the flex areas. I have used this type of line for years
due to it's durability. If you opt to used the squeeze bulb, it is the best
around. Part # 6Y1-24306-55. I have an old one that is ten years old and
has always been used with oil mix.
> http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2008%20-%2007%20July%20-%20Building%20a%20Grand%20Champion%20Ultralight.pdf (http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2008%20-%2007%20July%20-%20Building%20a%20Grand%20Champion%20Ultralight.pdf)
>
> Steve B
> Firefly 007/Floats
> Firefly 0040/ Floats 2008 SnF Grand Champion
>
Now that's a super nice fuel system setup there.......
Personally, like I said I like to be able to inspect fuel line, at least any that
isn't something I know has a very low chance of deteriorating like aluminum
lines connected by AN fittings... So my personal preference is clear line.
Now that said, I wouldn't worry about something like aeroquip line which even tho
it's opaque, it's also not the rank stuff from the auto parts place either
;).
Last line change on my plane I was trying to figure out how to go aeroquip, but
I couldn't figure out how to get AN fittings on the fuel pump, carburettor and
tank outlets. At least not without major mods and without just clamping the
hose on there which would have been a little lame.....
I had also tried to work up a metal line up to where it needed to flex at the engine,
but couldn't come up with a good solution.....
Yours is really nice tho...
LS
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Subject: | Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming |
I just finished talking to him..... he lost part of a fence, and of course
no power, but he's fine otherwise. He moved his plane from its regular
place to a more secure hangar, and it turned out to be a good move.... the
roof came off his original hangar.
-- Robert
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:49 AM, George Alexander <gtalexander@att.net>wrote:
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>
> John Hauck wrote:
> >
> > We got some more Kolb folks down that way also.
> >
> >
>
>
> Anyone hear from Jimmy Young yet?
>
> --------
> George Alexander
> FS II R503 N709FS
> http://gtalexander.home.att.net
>
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Subject: | Fw: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assistance |
Program"
I just received this from the FAA. Note the attached link
https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2008/Sep/LEAP_Brochure.pdf
The area of concern is the need to fill out and carry a FAA form 337
when flying with a aux fuel tank in my passenger seat. The brochure
indicates that this form must be filled out, carried, and presented to
law enforcement officials when requested. The form is for major
modifications to an aircraft. This isn't even a true "installation" in
my plane any more than a passenger is an installation but?
Any thoughts
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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which even tho it's opaque, it's also not the rank stuff from the auto
parts place either ;).
| |
| LS
LS:
I got into UL'ing initially because it was the only way I could figure
out how to fly again after retiring as an Army aviator. I chose to
live on my retirement beginning at the ripe old age of 40. So far,
nearly 29 years later, I have survived and have thoroughly enjoyed my
last 24 years of experimental flying.
If I deleted all the items on my airplane that were obtained from
Wal-Mart and "rank stuff from the auto parts place", I would be
permanently grounded.
I find if a builder uses his head, he can obtain safe, reliable,
efficient hardware to keep his bird flying, at much less expense than
buying expensive aircraft stuff because it looks slick, and real
airplanes are Federally mandated to be equipped that way. Thank God
for a little freedom of choice. I am not knocking Steve B's
beautifully finished FF that walked off with the S&F Grand Champion UL
2008 trophy. However, I was able to bring home the same trophy in
1988 for my FS, plus two Gold Lindy Trophies from OSH, 1989 and 1993,
using my old philosophy of using good quality stuff that will get me
there and back without worrying whether it will or not, for half the
price.
I think the record of my airplanes indicates it can be done.
Been thinking about inspecting clear fuel line vs my black neoprene
fuel line. First, I can't see all my fuel line. Most of it is hidden
inside the fuselage. Based on my experience with plastic line, in
most cases, one could not tell if it was serviceable or not by looking
at it. Took a hand and a pull to see if it was going to fall apart or
not. Sometimes the pulse line or a fuel line would do just that.
The beauty of our system of experimental airplanes is, for the most
part, our freedom to equip and fly our aircraft the way we want to.
Personal choice means a lot to me and I respect others freedom for
personal choice.
However, I am still looking for a valid requirement to see the little
bubbles in my fuel line. ;-)
john h - Glad to hear everyone, so far, is ok down Texas way.
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista |
NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote:
> I just received this from the FAA. Note the attached link https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2008/Sep/LEAP_Brochure.pdf ()
>
> The area of concern is the need to fill out and carry a FAA form 337 when flying
with a aux fuel tank in my passenger seat. The brochure indicates that
this form must be filled out, carried, and presented to law enforcement officials
when requested. The form is for major modifications to an aircraft. This
isn't even a true "installation" in my plane any more than a passenger is an
installation but?
>
> Any thoughts
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
> ---
It sounds like this only applies if you've actually attached a "fuel tank" - i.e
if it's been added to the fuel system with fuel lines, pump and etc. Yeah that
would definitely count as a modification for purposes of the regs I should
think. It's definitely an "installation" of an aux fuel tank.
If it's just a can of gas all sealed up, set in the back seat and therefore not
part of the fuel system, I don't see that it would count as a mod........
LS
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Subject: | Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista |
If there is not a line attached to the tank, it is not a mod, its just cargo.
If you hook it into the fuel system, it MIGHT be considered a mod, but that could
also be subject to interpretation of whoever you run into. If you were worried
about it, I would just make it so that I could quickly connect and disconnect
to the fuel system as needed, making it nothing but a gas can carried as
cargo whenever you are at somewhere you might get inspected..
Also, as an experimental plane, I think you are allowed to make modifications without
a bunch of paperwork. It seems that this restriction that FAA is talking
about would apply to a certified aircraft, but I would not think that it would
apply to experimental, it would be worth checking into. The EAA would know
for sure, its a free call.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Subject: | Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement |
Assista
The FAA is talking about assisting Law Enforcement! Maybe they feel that if
you are carrying the gas can and do not have a 337 in the plane, it will
make law enforcement think it is a bomb or you plan to crash into something?
DEC
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:15 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement
Assista
>
> If there is not a line attached to the tank, it is not a mod, its just
> cargo. If you hook it into the fuel system, it MIGHT be considered a mod,
> but that could also be subject to interpretation of whoever you run into.
> If you were worried about it, I would just make it so that I could quickly
> connect and disconnect to the fuel system as needed, making it nothing but
> a gas can carried as cargo whenever you are at somewhere you might get
> inspected..
>
> Also, as an experimental plane, I think you are allowed to make
> modifications without a bunch of paperwork. It seems that this
> restriction that FAA is talking about would apply to a certified aircraft,
> but I would not think that it would apply to experimental, it would be
> worth checking into. The EAA would know for sure, its a free call.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
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Subject: | Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista |
dcarr(at)uniontel.net wrote:
> The FAA is talking about assisting Law Enforcement! Maybe they feel that if
> you are carrying the gas can and do not have a 337 in the plane, it will
> make law enforcement think it is a bomb or you plan to crash into something?
>
> DEC
> do not archive
>
> ---
It's actually the other way around. The FnAA is trying to get non-FnAA entities
to try to help them do the job they're falling down on....
The latest is ATC. FnAA is now trying to force controllers to bust or surveille
pilots for infractions as part of their duties as controllers. Of course, most
controllers are vehemently opposed to this since it's not their job.
That's part of the reason your local friendly towers, approach controls, etc. aren't
so friendly lately. Pilots aren't the only ones who have animosity towards
the FnAA these days......
I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to shirk off some of their regulatory
duties on law enforcement as well.....
As for the 337, I also understand that's paperwork required only of standard category
aircraft. I don't think special category planes like experimentals need
to do that. Instead, you're technically supposed to present the mod to an inspector,
fly off another phase I, etc.
Tho generally, even the FSDO's will often wonder why you're even calling them once
you ring them up about it, if it's something not so major like a new prop
or maybe a gas can, etc....
LS
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LS
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Subject: | Firestar II Center of Gravity? |
Would there be any Center-of-Gravity (c.g.) concerns with a Firestar II powered
by a Rotax 503+"C" Gear Box+ Rotax Intake Silencer+3 Blade Warp Drive Prop? I
had a good friend that had an accident in a Firestar II that might well be explained
if this rather heavy power plant system would result in an aft c.g. He
was a rather slim fellow probably weighing around 160 lbs. I would appreciate
any information that you might provide.
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Well it may not be a Kolb, but it IS an experimental and a pusher (x2)
-and I got to see it fly today. A marvelous effort and a beautiful
flying machine.
72' wingspan, 2 100 hp Curtiss OXX-6 engines.
First one flew right here in 1914
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got off quickly and ran smoothly
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Subject: | Re: Curtiss America |
At 06:32 PM 9/13/2008, robert bean wrote:
>Well it may not be a Kolb, but it IS an experimental and a pusher (x2)
>-and I got to see it fly today. A marvelous effort and a beautiful
>flying machine.
>72' wingspan, 2 100 hp Curtiss OXX-6 engines.
>First one flew right here in 1914
Cool! That's actually quite a beautiful airplane.
-Dana
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Subject: | Re: Curtiss America |
Robert!
Great pix! Where this non-Kolb was?
do not archive
On Sep 13, 2008, at 6:32 PM, robert bean wrote:
> Well it may not be a Kolb, but it IS an experimental and a pusher (x2)
> -and I got to see it fly today. A marvelous effort and a beautiful
> flying machine.
> 72' wingspan, 2 100 hp Curtiss OXX-6 engines.
> First one flew right here in 1914
>
> <DSCN1727_2.jpg>
> DSCN1727.JPG copy
>
> got off quickly and ran smoothly<DSCN1730_2.jpg>
> DSCN1730.JPG copy
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Subject: | Re: Curtiss America |
Keuka lake, Hammondsport, NY, the birthplace of seaplanes (if not
real aviation)
In keeping with the rules, further correspondence on this will be BC
BB
On 13, Sep 2008, at 7:21 PM, russ kinne wrote:
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> Robert!
> Great pix! Where this non-Kolb was?
> do not archive
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> On Sep 13, 2008, at 6:32 PM, robert bean wrote:
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>> Well it may not be a Kolb, but it IS an experimental and a pusher
>> (x2)
>> -and I got to see it fly today. A marvelous effort and a
>> beautiful flying machine.
>> 72' wingspan, 2 100 hp Curtiss OXX-6 engines.
>> First one flew right here in 1914
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Buddy John, No knock taken. Bryan and I were just showin off. It is far and
above what is required for an Ultralight. It sure was fun doing it that way
though. Much of what I do I have learned from the pioneers of UL like
yourself. Past Trophy winners have set the Bar pretty high so you have to work
hard
to keep up. However, I do worry about the use of Gates Auto Fuel Line when
you run oil mix through it. Had some break down on me.
Steve B
Firefly 007/Floats
Firefly 0040/ Floats 2008 SnF Grand Champion
In a message dated 9/13/2008 1:19:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
I am not knocking Steve B's
beautifully finished FF that walked off with the S&F Grand Champion UL
2008 trophy. However, I was able to bring home the same trophy in
1988 for my FS, plus two Gold Lindy Trophies from OSH, 1989 and 1993,
using my old philosophy of using good quality stuff that will get me
there and back without worrying whether it will or not, for half the
price.
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Steve B:
I have heard of folks having problems with fuel/oil mix and neoprene fuel l
ine. However, it has been many years ago. Probably have not heard of prob
lems now because I do not pay that much attention to two strokes and their
inherent problems, unless I am going to be flying one at an air show.
I think this problem is like others we encounter. Its a one in a thousand
or million thing. I imagine today there is good fuel line, line Yamaha Mar
ine, that will get the job done. Must be. Look at the thousands of jet sk
iis and snow machines that used neoprene fuel line and mixed fuel/oil in th
e old days.
Still looking for valid reasons to look at the little bubbles in the clear
plastic line. ;-) No one has come up with a good reason yet. I think it
is a carry over from the early days of UL'ing when everybody used it. Hell
, I thought we were supposed to use it, when I got into UL'ing.
john h - with a freshly cut 750 feet of Gantt International Airport. Smoot
hed out the cow crap too!
mkIII
I do worry about the use of Gates Auto Fuel Line when you run oil mix throu
gh it. Had some break down on me.
Steve B
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At 07:55 PM 9/13/2008, John Hauck wrote:
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>Still looking for valid reasons to look at the little bubbles in the clear
>plastic line. ;-) No one has come up with a good reason yet...
I don't want to look at the little bubbles... I want to look and verify
that there AREN'T any little bubbles!
Almost lost my US on its first flight, when a fuel line blockage cause
either air to be sucked in or cavitation, I don't know... but it was a
steady stream of bubbles that I saw after getting it back down. The
blockage passed enough fuel for anything less than full throttle, and the
carb bowl held just enough to get airborne up to around 100' where things
got exciting... now part of my preflight is to look for bubbles during a
full power runup.
That's a good enough reason for me.
-Dana
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Dana:
What kind of bubbles are you seeing? air or fuel vapor?
I'm no engineer or chemist, but if I shake a container of gasoline, it prod
uces a lot of fuel vapor. Enough to expand a 5 gal plastic jug or blow the
lid off a Folgers plastic coffee container. I bet a fuel line being moved
and vibrated by a healthy two stroke would also produce bubbles that looke
d just like air bubbles.
Those bubbles used to drive me crazy, back in the early days. I chased the
m every way I could, and still could not completely eliminate them.
Black line, can't see'em. Out of sight, out of mind. ;-)
Takes a hell of a leak to let air enter a fuel line, especially one that is
under vacuum and on a push on hose barb. Unless the plastic line is stret
ched and hardened, it shouldn't leak, even without a clamp. Neoprene is th
e same way. I have a heck of a time getting the fuel line off the hose bar
b on the fuel filter to check it.
john h
mkIII
now part of my preflight is to look for bubbles during a full power runup.
That's a good enough reason for me.
-Dana
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This is a few weeks old, anybody hear about it?
Man injured after plane crash
The Capital-Journal
Published Monday, August 18, 2008
OLSBURG An ultra-light plane crash Saturday evening north of Manhattan
sent the pilot to a Topeka hospital with injuries he sustained in the
accident, the Kansas Highway Patrol said.
The pilot, who was the only person on board the aircraft, was identified as
Bill Johnson, 58, of Olsburg. He was taken to Stormont-Vail Regional Health
Center in Topeka, the patrol said.
The crash occurred when the engine stalled in the homemade Kolb UltraStar
plane that Johnson was piloting, the patrol said. The plane went down near
Booth Creek, a half-mile south of K-16 highway in Pottawatomie County.
From http://www.cjonline.com/stories/081808/kan_319878042.shtml
-Dana
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I have the black stuff. Could be NAPA, Pep Boys, Tractor Supply?
dunno but Im not too concerned.
I run only low pressure. I noticed a little black dusty (colloidal?)
residue initially but that has subsided.
The hose is stiffer than new (at least something is getting stiffer
with age) but since part of it is in the
windstream I consider that a plus. When it gets about 5-6 years
years old I'll replace it.
IMO the 2 stroke world has totally different circumstances to deal
with than do us 4 strokers.
BB
On 13, Sep 2008, at 8:30 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> Dana:
>
> What kind of bubbles are you seeing? air or fuel vapor?
>
> I'm no engineer or chemist, but if I shake a container of gasoline,
> it produces a lot of fuel vapor. Enough to expand a 5 gal plastic
> jug or blow the lid off a Folgers plastic coffee container. I bet
> a fuel line being moved and vibrated by a healthy two stroke would
> also produce bubbles that looked just like air bubbles.
>
> Those bubbles used to drive me crazy, back in the early days. I
> chased them every way I could, and still could not completely
> eliminate them.
>
> Black line, can't see'em. Out of sight, out of mind. ;-)
>
> Takes a hell of a leak to let air enter a fuel line, especially one
> that is under vacuum and on a push on hose barb. Unless the
> plastic line is stretched and hardened, it shouldn't leak, even
> without a clamp. Neoprene is the same way. I have a heck of a
> time getting the fuel line off the hose barb on the fuel filter to
> check it.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> now part of my preflight is to look for bubbles during a full
> power runup.
>
> That's a good enough reason for me.
>
> -Dana
>
>
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At 08:30 PM 9/13/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>Dana:
>
>What kind of bubbles are you seeing? air or fuel vapor?
>
>...Takes a hell of a leak to let air enter a fuel line, especially one
>that is under vacuum and on a push on hose barb...
I'm not seeing _any_ bubbles, any more. At the time, I assumed they were
air bubbles, but I really don't know. The brand new primer bulb was bad,
and at full throttle there was a steady stream of bubbles downstream of the
fuel filter (which was downstream of the primer). Drove me crazy for
awhile, I was chasing what I thought were leaks, replacing hose clamps, the
filter, etc., until I finally put the old bulb back in and the problem went
away.
If I ever have such a problem again, I want to SEE it during runup, not
have to wait until I'm airborne.
-Dana
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Actually at Old Kolb we built something very similar - but much smaller -
actually about half that size with 2 Cuyunas. We called it the WireStar.
Dennis,
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert bean
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:33 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Curtiss America
Well it may not be a Kolb, but it IS an experimental and a pusher (x2)
-and I got to see it fly today. A marvelous effort and a beautiful
flying machine.
72' wingspan, 2 100 hp Curtiss OXX-6 engines.
First one flew right here in 1914
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Just kidding about the WireStar :-)
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert bean
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:33 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Curtiss America
Well it may not be a Kolb, but it IS an experimental and a pusher (x2)
-and I got to see it fly today. A marvelous effort and a beautiful
flying machine.
72' wingspan, 2 100 hp Curtiss OXX-6 engines.
First one flew right here in 1914
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Subject: | Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming |
Kolbers,
Here is a picture of what is left of my hanger at Alvin Airpark as a
result of Hurricane Ike. Luckily I had moved my plane on Thursday to a
more secure hanger that wasn't damaged.
We have no power and probably won't have for a while, but my home is in
good shape. I haven't seen any news so I don't know what all damage has
occured elsewhere, but I'm sure Galveston and anything along the bay is
torn up.
I'm going to TNK on Friday, looking forward to some Kolb fellowship!
Jimmy Young
FS II - Houston
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Dana:
Would be interesting to know how many UL forced landings were caused by pri
mer bulbs.
1987, I was making my first long cross country flight from my airstrip in A
labama to Miami, FL, in my Firestar. I spent the weekend with the Florida
Flying Gators at their airstrip in Central Florida. While there, and durin
g some enjoyable flying, I was experiencing some intermittent power losses.
Not enough to kill the engine, but not developing full power. It was no
big cause for alarm. We were always having some sort of problem with engin
es back in those days.
I departed first thing Monday morning. A short time later I was over Sebri
ng, Florida. Power was starting to bleed off my mighty 447. If I went ful
l throttle, it would try to die on me. I ended up turning about 4000 rpm,
just enough to keep me aloft. Closest forced landing area was the Sebring
High School football field. I had to do something. Did not want to lose t
he engine over down town Sebring. Made a decision and landed on the foot b
all field. No brakes were installed. Started unloading stuff to get to th
e fuel system. The bell rang and here comes a whole flock of HS students t
o see what the funny little airplane was doing on their foot ball field. F
ound my problem. A tiny ball of silicone seal had fouled the intake valve
on the primer bulb. Was only letting enough fuel through to keep the engin
e running at low power, but that was all. The reason the silicone seal end
ed up in the fuel system was lack of education working with silicone seal.
This was before most of us learned that silicone seal and gasoline did not
get along with each other. I had used a dab to seal the vent in the Ken B
rock seat tank to keep the cap from leaking should I get inverted. I had i
nstalled a seperate fuel tank vent line that exited out the bottom of the f
uselage. The reason I had done this was an engine failure that resulted in
my brand new Firestar ending up on its back in the middle of a cotton fiel
d. While I was trying to get out to the cockpit, gasoline was leaking out
of the cap and down my neck into my helmet. I was very near a panic situat
ion. That little piece of silicone seal is what put me down.
We also went through a lot of problems with paper element fuel filters. A
drop of water would cause the element to expand and cut off the fuel flow.
Took a lot of engine failures from Woodville, FL, to Titus, AL, to figure
that one out.
john h
mkIII
The brand new primer bulb was bad,
-Dana
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Subject: | Re: Firestar II Center of Gravity? |
As every Firestar is different, it's impossible to say exactly if the aircraft
was out of CG. But, I have found that the FS tends to be an "aft" CG biased airplane
more than forward with pilot weights of less than 180lbs or so. I can say
that I have operated my FS aft of the factory suggested CG range as I am even
lighter than your friend. That said, I have yet to find any dangerous flight
characteristics in this CG area, even with spin entry and recovery. Again, the
model in question may have been mis-rigged, or any number of other discrepancies
to contribute to the accident.
Kip
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Kip
Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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At 09:33 PM 9/13/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>
>Would be interesting to know how many UL forced landings were caused by
>primer bulbs.
> ...A tiny ball of silicone seal had fouled the intake valve on the
> primer bulb....
Probably quite a few. Although, of course, yours wasn't actually caused by
the primer.
I've since removed the primer bulb and replaced it with a plunger
primer. Still have the bulbs on my PPG's, though, with no problems.
>We also went through a lot of problems with paper element fuel filters. A
>drop of water would cause the element to expand and cut off the fuel flow...
I have a screen filter on my US, don't think I'd want a paper filter
there... OTOH, again, I used them on my PPG's for years with no problems.
Of course an engine out in a PPG is usually much less of an issue than in a
Kolb!
-Dana
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Subject: | Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming |
Good news, Jimmy,
See you at the Kolb Homecoming Fri.
john h
mkIII
I'm going to TNK on Friday, looking forward to some Kolb fellowship!
Jimmy Young
FS II - Houston
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Subject: | Re: Curtiss America |
Hi Dennis,
Hehehe. Had a nice little chuckle about the "Wire Star". I guess we'll all
be wondering what prompted that little tidbit of humor from you.
Bill Varnes
Audubon NJ
Original FireStar
do not archive
In a message dated 9/13/2008 9:21:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
flykolb@pa.net writes:
Just kidding about the WireStar :-)
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