---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/13/08: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:21 AM - Re: fuel line? (Dave Bigelow) 2. 05:01 AM - Re: fuel line? (Thomas R. Riddle) 3. 06:08 AM - Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (John Hauck) 4. 06:27 AM - Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (Robert Laird) 5. 06:41 AM - Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (HShack@aol.com) 6. 08:25 AM - Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (John Hauck) 7. 08:32 AM - Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (Robert Laird) 8. 08:50 AM - Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (George Alexander) 9. 09:07 AM - Re: fuel line? (lucien) 10. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (Robert Laird) 11. 10:09 AM - Fw: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assistance Program" (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 12. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: fuel line? (John Hauck) 13. 10:37 AM - Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista (lucien) 14. 11:17 AM - Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista (JetPilot) 15. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista (David Carr) 16. 12:02 PM - Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista (lucien) 17. 01:40 PM - Firestar II Center of Gravity? (Goodone) 18. 03:34 PM - Curtiss America (robert bean) 19. 03:55 PM - Re: Curtiss America (Dana Hague) 20. 04:21 PM - Re: Curtiss America (russ kinne) 21. 04:34 PM - Re: Curtiss America (robert bean) 22. 04:35 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (N27SB@aol.com) 23. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (John Hauck) 24. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (Dana Hague) 25. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (John Hauck) 26. 05:35 PM - Ultrastar crash (Dana Hague) 27. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (robert bean) 28. 06:02 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (Dana Hague) 29. 06:20 PM - Re: Curtiss America (Dennis Souder) 30. 06:20 PM - Re: Curtiss America (Dennis Souder) 31. 06:31 PM - Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (Jimmy Young) 32. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (John Hauck) 33. 06:39 PM - Re: Firestar II Center of Gravity? (N111KX (Kip)) 34. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: fuel line? (Dana Hague) 35. 07:02 PM - Re: Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming (John Hauck) 36. 07:33 PM - Re: Curtiss America (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:31 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? From: "Dave Bigelow" > Tygothane C210 ESTER is formulated for all type of fuel > Superthane ESTER is supposed to be a near equivalent. > Jack, do you have a source for these two types of fuel line? Thanks. -------- Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, HKS 700E Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4055#204055 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:30 AM PST US From: "Thomas R. Riddle" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? I copied the following from New Age's website. Note the bit about water and about modern fuel additives. I could find nothing about ethanol tolerance. Notes ^^Hydrolytic Stability -- For resistance to moisture and fungus, SUPERTHANE ether is recommended (Ester polyurethane does not react well with water, prolonged humid conditions, or attack from fungus.) The ether-based formulation is listed by the National Sanitation Foundation (NSF 61). It also resists attack from ultra-violet rays making it a good material for outside use. SUPERTHANE PU tubing is much more resistant to pressure and vacuum applications than corresponding sizes of PVC or rubber. ^Although polyurethane is commonly used in fuel applications, due to additives in today's gasoline and petroleum products, field testing should be performed. Thom in Buffalo ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:27 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming Hope all our Kolb folks in the area of Ike are ok. As of this morning, I have not heard from any of my Kolb friends from that area. Weather at hauck's holler is beautiful. Based on it, one would never suspect what is happening on the Gulf coast. Don't know how this storm will affect weather between Thursday and Sunday. Hopefully, we will be blessed with good flying weather and have a successful Kolb Homecoming. Whether you fly, drive, or walk, everyone make an extra effort to attend. The folks at TNK go to great length to make all of us Kolbers feel at home, comfortable, and well fed. The 2001 Kolb Homecoming was canceled. However, some of us felt so strongly about attending we decided to fly to TNK anyway. I can not remember who showed up for that Homecoming. We had a good time despite the troubled times. Take care, john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:05 AM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming The eye of Ike passed about 45 miles to my east... winds are in the 75mph range, and there's lots of hard rain, lots of debris flying through the air... power is out in my area, and reports say 2 million people in the Houston/Galveston area are without power. So far, though, no major issues. -- Robert On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:07 AM, John Hauck wrote: > > Hope all our Kolb folks in the area of Ike are ok. > > As of this morning, I have not heard from any of my Kolb friends from that > area. > > Weather at hauck's holler is beautiful. Based on it, one would never > suspect what is happening on the Gulf coast. > > Don't know how this storm will affect weather between Thursday and Sunday. > Hopefully, we will be blessed with good flying weather and have a successful > Kolb Homecoming. > > Whether you fly, drive, or walk, everyone make an extra effort to attend. > The folks at TNK go to great length to make all of us Kolbers feel at home, > comfortable, and well fed. > > The 2001 Kolb Homecoming was canceled. However, some of us felt so > strongly about attending we decided to fly to TNK anyway. I can not > remember who showed up for that Homecoming. We had a good time despite the > troubled times. > > Take care, > > john h > mkIII > > -- Jack Benny - "I don't deserve this award, but I have arthritis and I don't deserve that either." ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:32 AM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming Price of gas was up over $1.00 a gallon last night; wonder how long that will last.............? Howard Shackleford FS II SC In a message dated 9/13/2008 9:27:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rlaird@cavediver.com writes: The eye of Ike passed about 45 miles to my east... winds are in the 75mph range, and there's lots of hard rain, lots of debris flying through the air... -- (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:15 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming Robert: Glad you are ok. Still waiting to hear from Gary Haley NW of Houston. We got some more Kolb folks down that way also. john h - Blue bird perfect day at hauck's holler, alabama. mkIII So far, though, no major issues. -- Robert ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:50 AM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming Gary lives about 15 miles due east of me which would, of course, put him 30 miles from path of the eye. Not too many trees in his aviation subdivision, so he's probably okay, but I'd bet his power is out.... almost everyone in Houston has no power. -- R On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:23 AM, John Hauck wrote: > Robert: > > Glad you are ok. > > Still waiting to hear from Gary Haley NW of Houston. > > We got some more Kolb folks down that way also. > > john h - Blue bird perfect day at hauck's holler, alabama. > mkIII > > > So far, though, no major issues. > > -- Robert > > > * > > > * > > -- David Lee Roth - "I used to jog but the ice cubes kept falling out of my glass." ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:23 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming From: "George Alexander" John Hauck wrote: > > We got some more Kolb folks down that way also. > > Anyone hear from Jimmy Young yet? -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4096#204096 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:20 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? From: "lucien" Steve Boetto wrote: > Lucien, If you follow this link you can see how I did it. I used Yamaha Outboard fuel line on the flex areas. I have used this type of line for years due to it's durability. If you opt to used the squeeze bulb, it is the best around. Part # 6Y1-24306-55. I have an old one that is ten years old and has always been used with oil mix. > http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2008%20-%2007%20July%20-%20Building%20a%20Grand%20Champion%20Ultralight.pdf (http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2008%20-%2007%20July%20-%20Building%20a%20Grand%20Champion%20Ultralight.pdf) > > Steve B > Firefly 007/Floats > Firefly 0040/ Floats 2008 SnF Grand Champion > Now that's a super nice fuel system setup there....... Personally, like I said I like to be able to inspect fuel line, at least any that isn't something I know has a very low chance of deteriorating like aluminum lines connected by AN fittings... So my personal preference is clear line. Now that said, I wouldn't worry about something like aeroquip line which even tho it's opaque, it's also not the rank stuff from the auto parts place either ;). Last line change on my plane I was trying to figure out how to go aeroquip, but I couldn't figure out how to get AN fittings on the fuel pump, carburettor and tank outlets. At least not without major mods and without just clamping the hose on there which would have been a little lame..... I had also tried to work up a metal line up to where it needed to flex at the engine, but couldn't come up with a good solution..... Yours is really nice tho... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4100#204100 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:30 AM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming I just finished talking to him..... he lost part of a fence, and of course no power, but he's fine otherwise. He moved his plane from its regular place to a more secure hangar, and it turned out to be a good move.... the roof came off his original hangar. -- Robert On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:49 AM, George Alexander wrote: > > > John Hauck wrote: > > > > We got some more Kolb folks down that way also. > > > > > > > Anyone hear from Jimmy Young yet? > > -------- > George Alexander > FS II R503 N709FS > http://gtalexander.home.att.net > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4096#204096 > > -- David Lee Roth - "I used to jog but the ice cubes kept falling out of my glass." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:45 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assistance Program" I just received this from the FAA. Note the attached link https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2008/Sep/LEAP_Brochure.pdf The area of concern is the need to fill out and carry a FAA form 337 when flying with a aux fuel tank in my passenger seat. The brochure indicates that this form must be filled out, carried, and presented to law enforcement officials when requested. The form is for major modifications to an aircraft. This isn't even a true "installation" in my plane any more than a passenger is an installation but? Any thoughts Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: FAASafety.gov Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assistance Program" Law Enforcement Assistance Program Notice Number: NOTC1361 Law Enforcement Assistance Program The Security and Hazardous Materials Division of the FAA has a new brochure that reminds applicants of certain questions when completing applications for Part 61 (Pilots), Part 65 (Mechanics), and Part 67 (Medical Certificates). Read the questions carefully concerning drug convictions and any other felony convictions and answer appropriately. Instructors, because of their unique position as mentors, are especially reminded to review with applicants the questions on the application. The brochure contains an extract of pertinent questions pertaining to the regulations. The new brochure can be viewed at the link shown below. 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Contact us for comments or questions. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:55 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? which even tho it's opaque, it's also not the rank stuff from the auto parts place either ;). | | | LS LS: I got into UL'ing initially because it was the only way I could figure out how to fly again after retiring as an Army aviator. I chose to live on my retirement beginning at the ripe old age of 40. So far, nearly 29 years later, I have survived and have thoroughly enjoyed my last 24 years of experimental flying. If I deleted all the items on my airplane that were obtained from Wal-Mart and "rank stuff from the auto parts place", I would be permanently grounded. I find if a builder uses his head, he can obtain safe, reliable, efficient hardware to keep his bird flying, at much less expense than buying expensive aircraft stuff because it looks slick, and real airplanes are Federally mandated to be equipped that way. Thank God for a little freedom of choice. I am not knocking Steve B's beautifully finished FF that walked off with the S&F Grand Champion UL 2008 trophy. However, I was able to bring home the same trophy in 1988 for my FS, plus two Gold Lindy Trophies from OSH, 1989 and 1993, using my old philosophy of using good quality stuff that will get me there and back without worrying whether it will or not, for half the price. I think the record of my airplanes indicates it can be done. Been thinking about inspecting clear fuel line vs my black neoprene fuel line. First, I can't see all my fuel line. Most of it is hidden inside the fuselage. Based on my experience with plastic line, in most cases, one could not tell if it was serviceable or not by looking at it. Took a hand and a pull to see if it was going to fall apart or not. Sometimes the pulse line or a fuel line would do just that. The beauty of our system of experimental airplanes is, for the most part, our freedom to equip and fly our aircraft the way we want to. Personal choice means a lot to me and I respect others freedom for personal choice. However, I am still looking for a valid requirement to see the little bubbles in my fuel line. ;-) john h - Glad to hear everyone, so far, is ok down Texas way. mkIII ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:46 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista From: "lucien" NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote: > I just received this from the FAA. Note the attached link https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2008/Sep/LEAP_Brochure.pdf () > > The area of concern is the need to fill out and carry a FAA form 337 when flying with a aux fuel tank in my passenger seat. The brochure indicates that this form must be filled out, carried, and presented to law enforcement officials when requested. The form is for major modifications to an aircraft. This isn't even a true "installation" in my plane any more than a passenger is an installation but? > > Any thoughts > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > --- It sounds like this only applies if you've actually attached a "fuel tank" - i.e if it's been added to the fuel system with fuel lines, pump and etc. Yeah that would definitely count as a modification for purposes of the regs I should think. It's definitely an "installation" of an aux fuel tank. If it's just a can of gas all sealed up, set in the back seat and therefore not part of the fuel system, I don't see that it would count as a mod........ LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4116#204116 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:00 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista From: "JetPilot" If there is not a line attached to the tank, it is not a mod, its just cargo. If you hook it into the fuel system, it MIGHT be considered a mod, but that could also be subject to interpretation of whoever you run into. If you were worried about it, I would just make it so that I could quickly connect and disconnect to the fuel system as needed, making it nothing but a gas can carried as cargo whenever you are at somewhere you might get inspected.. Also, as an experimental plane, I think you are allowed to make modifications without a bunch of paperwork. It seems that this restriction that FAA is talking about would apply to a certified aircraft, but I would not think that it would apply to experimental, it would be worth checking into. The EAA would know for sure, its a free call. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4125#204125 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:26 AM PST US From: "David Carr" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista The FAA is talking about assisting Law Enforcement! Maybe they feel that if you are carrying the gas can and do not have a 337 in the plane, it will make law enforcement think it is a bomb or you plan to crash into something? DEC do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "JetPilot" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:15 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista > > If there is not a line attached to the tank, it is not a mod, its just > cargo. If you hook it into the fuel system, it MIGHT be considered a mod, > but that could also be subject to interpretation of whoever you run into. > If you were worried about it, I would just make it so that I could quickly > connect and disconnect to the fuel system as needed, making it nothing but > a gas can carried as cargo whenever you are at somewhere you might get > inspected.. > > Also, as an experimental plane, I think you are allowed to make > modifications without a bunch of paperwork. It seems that this > restriction that FAA is talking about would apply to a certified aircraft, > but I would not think that it would apply to experimental, it would be > worth checking into. The EAA would know for sure, its a free call. > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you > could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4125#204125 > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:09 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista From: "lucien" dcarr(at)uniontel.net wrote: > The FAA is talking about assisting Law Enforcement! Maybe they feel that if > you are carrying the gas can and do not have a 337 in the plane, it will > make law enforcement think it is a bomb or you plan to crash into something? > > DEC > do not archive > > --- It's actually the other way around. The FnAA is trying to get non-FnAA entities to try to help them do the job they're falling down on.... The latest is ATC. FnAA is now trying to force controllers to bust or surveille pilots for infractions as part of their duties as controllers. Of course, most controllers are vehemently opposed to this since it's not their job. That's part of the reason your local friendly towers, approach controls, etc. aren't so friendly lately. Pilots aren't the only ones who have animosity towards the FnAA these days...... I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to shirk off some of their regulatory duties on law enforcement as well..... As for the 337, I also understand that's paperwork required only of standard category aircraft. I don't think special category planes like experimentals need to do that. Instead, you're technically supposed to present the mod to an inspector, fly off another phase I, etc. Tho generally, even the FSDO's will often wonder why you're even calling them once you ring them up about it, if it's something not so major like a new prop or maybe a gas can, etc.... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4136#204136 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:30 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar II Center of Gravity? From: "Goodone" Would there be any Center-of-Gravity (c.g.) concerns with a Firestar II powered by a Rotax 503+"C" Gear Box+ Rotax Intake Silencer+3 Blade Warp Drive Prop? I had a good friend that had an accident in a Firestar II that might well be explained if this rather heavy power plant system would result in an aft c.g. He was a rather slim fellow probably weighing around 160 lbs. I would appreciate any information that you might provide. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4144#204144 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:27 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: Curtiss America Well it may not be a Kolb, but it IS an experimental and a pusher (x2) -and I got to see it fly today. A marvelous effort and a beautiful flying machine. 72' wingspan, 2 100 hp Curtiss OXX-6 engines. First one flew right here in 1914 DSCN1727.JPG copy got off quickly and ran smoothly DSCN1730.JPG copy DSCN1735.JPG copy



________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:16 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Curtiss America At 06:32 PM 9/13/2008, robert bean wrote: >Well it may not be a Kolb, but it IS an experimental and a pusher (x2) >-and I got to see it fly today. A marvelous effort and a beautiful >flying machine. >72' wingspan, 2 100 hp Curtiss OXX-6 engines. >First one flew right here in 1914 Cool! That's actually quite a beautiful airplane. -Dana -- Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:37 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Curtiss America Robert! Great pix! Where this non-Kolb was? do not archive On Sep 13, 2008, at 6:32 PM, robert bean wrote: > Well it may not be a Kolb, but it IS an experimental and a pusher (x2) > -and I got to see it fly today. A marvelous effort and a beautiful > flying machine. > 72' wingspan, 2 100 hp Curtiss OXX-6 engines. > First one flew right here in 1914 > > > DSCN1727.JPG copy > > got off quickly and ran smoothly > DSCN1730.JPG copy > > > > DSCN1735.JPG copy > > >

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> > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:58 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? Buddy John, No knock taken. Bryan and I were just showin off. It is far and above what is required for an Ultralight. It sure was fun doing it that way though. Much of what I do I have learned from the pioneers of UL like yourself. Past Trophy winners have set the Bar pretty high so you have to work hard to keep up. However, I do worry about the use of Gates Auto Fuel Line when you run oil mix through it. Had some break down on me. Steve B Firefly 007/Floats Firefly 0040/ Floats 2008 SnF Grand Champion In a message dated 9/13/2008 1:19:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: I am not knocking Steve B's beautifully finished FF that walked off with the S&F Grand Champion UL 2008 trophy. However, I was able to bring home the same trophy in 1988 for my FS, plus two Gold Lindy Trophies from OSH, 1989 and 1993, using my old philosophy of using good quality stuff that will get me there and back without worrying whether it will or not, for half the price. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:37 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? Steve B: I have heard of folks having problems with fuel/oil mix and neoprene fuel l ine. However, it has been many years ago. Probably have not heard of prob lems now because I do not pay that much attention to two strokes and their inherent problems, unless I am going to be flying one at an air show. I think this problem is like others we encounter. Its a one in a thousand or million thing. I imagine today there is good fuel line, line Yamaha Mar ine, that will get the job done. Must be. Look at the thousands of jet sk iis and snow machines that used neoprene fuel line and mixed fuel/oil in th e old days. Still looking for valid reasons to look at the little bubbles in the clear plastic line. ;-) No one has come up with a good reason yet. I think it is a carry over from the early days of UL'ing when everybody used it. Hell , I thought we were supposed to use it, when I got into UL'ing. john h - with a freshly cut 750 feet of Gantt International Airport. Smoot hed out the cow crap too! mkIII I do worry about the use of Gates Auto Fuel Line when you run oil mix throu gh it. Had some break down on me. Steve B ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:28 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? At 07:55 PM 9/13/2008, John Hauck wrote: > >Still looking for valid reasons to look at the little bubbles in the clear >plastic line. ;-) No one has come up with a good reason yet... I don't want to look at the little bubbles... I want to look and verify that there AREN'T any little bubbles! Almost lost my US on its first flight, when a fuel line blockage cause either air to be sucked in or cavitation, I don't know... but it was a steady stream of bubbles that I saw after getting it back down. The blockage passed enough fuel for anything less than full throttle, and the carb bowl held just enough to get airborne up to around 100' where things got exciting... now part of my preflight is to look for bubbles during a full power runup. That's a good enough reason for me. -Dana -- Grow your own dope! Plant a politician! ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:55 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? Dana: What kind of bubbles are you seeing? air or fuel vapor? I'm no engineer or chemist, but if I shake a container of gasoline, it prod uces a lot of fuel vapor. Enough to expand a 5 gal plastic jug or blow the lid off a Folgers plastic coffee container. I bet a fuel line being moved and vibrated by a healthy two stroke would also produce bubbles that looke d just like air bubbles. Those bubbles used to drive me crazy, back in the early days. I chased the m every way I could, and still could not completely eliminate them. Black line, can't see'em. Out of sight, out of mind. ;-) Takes a hell of a leak to let air enter a fuel line, especially one that is under vacuum and on a push on hose barb. Unless the plastic line is stret ched and hardened, it shouldn't leak, even without a clamp. Neoprene is th e same way. I have a heck of a time getting the fuel line off the hose bar b on the fuel filter to check it. john h mkIII now part of my preflight is to look for bubbles during a full power runup. That's a good enough reason for me. -Dana ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:42 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Kolb-List: Ultrastar crash This is a few weeks old, anybody hear about it? Man injured after plane crash The Capital-Journal Published Monday, August 18, 2008 OLSBURG An ultra-light plane crash Saturday evening north of Manhattan sent the pilot to a Topeka hospital with injuries he sustained in the accident, the Kansas Highway Patrol said. The pilot, who was the only person on board the aircraft, was identified as Bill Johnson, 58, of Olsburg. He was taken to Stormont-Vail Regional Health Center in Topeka, the patrol said. The crash occurred when the engine stalled in the homemade Kolb UltraStar plane that Johnson was piloting, the patrol said. The plane went down near Booth Creek, a half-mile south of K-16 highway in Pottawatomie County. From http://www.cjonline.com/stories/081808/kan_319878042.shtml -Dana -- Grow your own dope! Plant a politician! ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:35 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? I have the black stuff. Could be NAPA, Pep Boys, Tractor Supply? dunno but Im not too concerned. I run only low pressure. I noticed a little black dusty (colloidal?) residue initially but that has subsided. The hose is stiffer than new (at least something is getting stiffer with age) but since part of it is in the windstream I consider that a plus. When it gets about 5-6 years years old I'll replace it. IMO the 2 stroke world has totally different circumstances to deal with than do us 4 strokers. BB On 13, Sep 2008, at 8:30 PM, John Hauck wrote: > Dana: > > What kind of bubbles are you seeing? air or fuel vapor? > > I'm no engineer or chemist, but if I shake a container of gasoline, > it produces a lot of fuel vapor. Enough to expand a 5 gal plastic > jug or blow the lid off a Folgers plastic coffee container. I bet > a fuel line being moved and vibrated by a healthy two stroke would > also produce bubbles that looked just like air bubbles. > > Those bubbles used to drive me crazy, back in the early days. I > chased them every way I could, and still could not completely > eliminate them. > > Black line, can't see'em. Out of sight, out of mind. ;-) > > Takes a hell of a leak to let air enter a fuel line, especially one > that is under vacuum and on a push on hose barb. Unless the > plastic line is stretched and hardened, it shouldn't leak, even > without a clamp. Neoprene is the same way. I have a heck of a > time getting the fuel line off the hose barb on the fuel filter to > check it. > > john h > mkIII > > > now part of my preflight is to look for bubbles during a full > power runup. > > That's a good enough reason for me. > > -Dana > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:22 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? At 08:30 PM 9/13/2008, John Hauck wrote: >Dana: > >What kind of bubbles are you seeing? air or fuel vapor? > >...Takes a hell of a leak to let air enter a fuel line, especially one >that is under vacuum and on a push on hose barb... I'm not seeing _any_ bubbles, any more. At the time, I assumed they were air bubbles, but I really don't know. The brand new primer bulb was bad, and at full throttle there was a steady stream of bubbles downstream of the fuel filter (which was downstream of the primer). Drove me crazy for awhile, I was chasing what I thought were leaks, replacing hose clamps, the filter, etc., until I finally put the old bulb back in and the problem went away. If I ever have such a problem again, I want to SEE it during runup, not have to wait until I'm airborne. -Dana -- If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished! ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:13 PM PST US From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Curtiss America Actually at Old Kolb we built something very similar - but much smaller - actually about half that size with 2 Cuyunas. We called it the WireStar. Dennis, -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert bean Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Curtiss America Well it may not be a Kolb, but it IS an experimental and a pusher (x2) -and I got to see it fly today. A marvelous effort and a beautiful flying machine. 72' wingspan, 2 100 hp Curtiss OXX-6 engines. First one flew right here in 1914 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:42 PM PST US From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Curtiss America Just kidding about the WireStar :-) Dennis -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert bean Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Curtiss America Well it may not be a Kolb, but it IS an experimental and a pusher (x2) -and I got to see it fly today. A marvelous effort and a beautiful flying machine. 72' wingspan, 2 100 hp Curtiss OXX-6 engines. First one flew right here in 1914 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:28 PM PST US From: "Jimmy Young" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming Kolbers, Here is a picture of what is left of my hanger at Alvin Airpark as a result of Hurricane Ike. Luckily I had moved my plane on Thursday to a more secure hanger that wasn't damaged. We have no power and probably won't have for a while, but my home is in good shape. I haven't seen any news so I don't know what all damage has occured elsewhere, but I'm sure Galveston and anything along the bay is torn up. I'm going to TNK on Friday, looking forward to some Kolb fellowship! Jimmy Young FS II - Houston ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:21 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? Dana: Would be interesting to know how many UL forced landings were caused by pri mer bulbs. 1987, I was making my first long cross country flight from my airstrip in A labama to Miami, FL, in my Firestar. I spent the weekend with the Florida Flying Gators at their airstrip in Central Florida. While there, and durin g some enjoyable flying, I was experiencing some intermittent power losses. Not enough to kill the engine, but not developing full power. It was no big cause for alarm. We were always having some sort of problem with engin es back in those days. I departed first thing Monday morning. A short time later I was over Sebri ng, Florida. Power was starting to bleed off my mighty 447. If I went ful l throttle, it would try to die on me. I ended up turning about 4000 rpm, just enough to keep me aloft. Closest forced landing area was the Sebring High School football field. I had to do something. Did not want to lose t he engine over down town Sebring. Made a decision and landed on the foot b all field. No brakes were installed. Started unloading stuff to get to th e fuel system. The bell rang and here comes a whole flock of HS students t o see what the funny little airplane was doing on their foot ball field. F ound my problem. A tiny ball of silicone seal had fouled the intake valve on the primer bulb. Was only letting enough fuel through to keep the engin e running at low power, but that was all. The reason the silicone seal end ed up in the fuel system was lack of education working with silicone seal. This was before most of us learned that silicone seal and gasoline did not get along with each other. I had used a dab to seal the vent in the Ken B rock seat tank to keep the cap from leaking should I get inverted. I had i nstalled a seperate fuel tank vent line that exited out the bottom of the f uselage. The reason I had done this was an engine failure that resulted in my brand new Firestar ending up on its back in the middle of a cotton fiel d. While I was trying to get out to the cockpit, gasoline was leaking out of the cap and down my neck into my helmet. I was very near a panic situat ion. That little piece of silicone seal is what put me down. We also went through a lot of problems with paper element fuel filters. A drop of water would cause the element to expand and cut off the fuel flow. Took a lot of engine failures from Woodville, FL, to Titus, AL, to figure that one out. john h mkIII The brand new primer bulb was bad, -Dana ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:11 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II Center of Gravity? From: "N111KX (Kip)" As every Firestar is different, it's impossible to say exactly if the aircraft was out of CG. But, I have found that the FS tends to be an "aft" CG biased airplane more than forward with pilot weights of less than 180lbs or so. I can say that I have operated my FS aft of the factory suggested CG range as I am even lighter than your friend. That said, I have yet to find any dangerous flight characteristics in this CG area, even with spin entry and recovery. Again, the model in question may have been mis-rigged, or any number of other discrepancies to contribute to the accident. Kip -------- Kip Firestar II, N111KX Waiex, N111YX Quickie 1, N111QX Atlanta Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4188#204188 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:19 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? At 09:33 PM 9/13/2008, John Hauck wrote: > >Would be interesting to know how many UL forced landings were caused by >primer bulbs. > ...A tiny ball of silicone seal had fouled the intake valve on the > primer bulb.... Probably quite a few. Although, of course, yours wasn't actually caused by the primer. I've since removed the primer bulb and replaced it with a plunger primer. Still have the bulbs on my PPG's, though, with no problems. >We also went through a lot of problems with paper element fuel filters. A >drop of water would cause the element to expand and cut off the fuel flow... I have a screen filter on my US, don't think I'd want a paper filter there... OTOH, again, I used them on my PPG's for years with no problems. Of course an engine out in a PPG is usually much less of an issue than in a Kolb! -Dana -- Censorship: The reaction of the ignorant to freedom. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:00 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hurricane Ike/2008 Kolb Homecoming Good news, Jimmy, See you at the Kolb Homecoming Fri. john h mkIII I'm going to TNK on Friday, looking forward to some Kolb fellowship! Jimmy Young FS II - Houston ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:19 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Curtiss America Hi Dennis, Hehehe. Had a nice little chuckle about the "Wire Star". I guess we'll all be wondering what prompted that little tidbit of humor from you. Bill Varnes Audubon NJ Original FireStar do not archive In a message dated 9/13/2008 9:21:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, flykolb@pa.net writes: Just kidding about the WireStar :-) **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. 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