---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/23/08: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:47 AM - fuel additive (Ted Cowan) 2. 05:00 AM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (robert bean) 3. 06:09 AM - Re: Mark III performance (clrprop) 4. 06:42 AM - Re: EGT probe location (Jack B. Hart) 5. 08:06 AM - Re: Use of Facet fuel pumps as backup to pulse pump (JetPilot) 6. 08:33 AM - More 2008 Kolb Homecoming Photos (John Hauck) 7. 08:37 AM - More Homecoming Photos (John Hauck) 8. 08:40 AM - More Photos of Homecoming (John Hauck) 9. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (russ kinne) 10. 09:02 AM - More Homecoming Photos (John Hauck) 11. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (Dana Hague) 12. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (pj.ladd) 13. 10:18 AM - Re: More Homecoming Photos (Jerry Jones) 14. 10:22 AM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (Richard Girard) 15. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Mark III performance (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 16. 02:10 PM - FS II Aileron balance weight (Bill Eslick) 17. 02:40 PM - Re: FS II Aileron balance weight (John Hauck) 18. 02:46 PM - Re: More Photos of Homecoming (cristalclear13) 19. 02:51 PM - Re: airspeed tubing (cristalclear13) 20. 03:02 PM - Fw: Kolb List: Re:FS II aileron balance weight (william sullivan) 21. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: More Photos of Homecoming (John Hauck) 22. 03:27 PM - Kolb List: Re: Homecoming (william sullivan) 23. 03:35 PM - Re: Kolb List: Re: Homecoming (John Hauck) 24. 05:03 PM - Re: Kolb List: Re: Homecoming (Dana Hague) 25. 06:16 PM - Kolb List Re: Homecoming (william sullivan) 26. 06:21 PM - Re: FS II Aileron balance weight (Carlos) 27. 06:37 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Homecoming (John Hauck) 28. 06:43 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Homecoming (Dana Hague) 29. 06:47 PM - Re: airspeed tubing (cristalclear13) 30. 07:10 PM - Kolb Flyer (william sullivan) 31. 07:29 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Homecoming (chris davis) 32. 07:49 PM - Kolb List: Re: homcoming (william sullivan) 33. 07:54 PM - harvested peanut feild for a landing strip? (grantr) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:05 AM PST US From: "Ted Cowan" Subject: Kolb-List: fuel additive Dont know how many know this but there is another answer to using low lead av gas. I have been reading (and using) about the new Sta-bil. There is a website for it at www.goldeagle.com/sta-bil/stabil_marine.htm. There are also some other brands you can find at marine outlets. I have used stabil forever to keep tractor and motorbikes, generators clean. This is formulated special for ethanol. I had it in my gas the whole time I was flying at the homecoming. It sets my mind at ease that I should not have to worry about corn squeezins in my tanks. Check it out and you may find one less thing to worry about. Oh, yeah, put in my rv too, one once per ten gals of gas and although I did not get better mileage, it did run a whole lot faster over the mountains, has an octane booster in it. I am sold. Had a funtastic time at homecoming. Great to see all you guys again, so many Kolbs, so little time. Was impressed with the Hurth on the MkC. Sounded and performed pretty much as a Rotax but I guess a bunch cheaper. Also was a fantastic plane. Red, White and Blue, my colors. My Kudos to all who worked the homecoming. We appreciate it. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Slingshot 912. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:32 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? disposed of? in other words they dig it up and move it to another spot..-problem solved?.... no transplanted maybe. How many of us have gotten a good mouthful of the old leaded stuff trying to prime a gas transfer? Me?, brain-damaged? nahhhhhh BB On 22, Sep 2008, at 9:40 PM, possums wrote: > At 08:10 PM 9/22/2008, you wrote: >> >> Not a reason to choose a fuel, but an interesting aside: When my >> friend's MKIII crashed this weekend, the DEP was on the scene >> because all the fuel leaked out of the plane into the ground, >> close to the river and to a well. He was quite concerned if it >> was leaded aviation fuel (it wasn't). Either way the pilot (or >> the pilot's insurance) will have to pay to have the soil dug up >> and disposed of. >> >> -Dana > > Yeah, when I sunk mine in the lake, the Corp of Engineers were more > concerned about > wether or not I might still have fuel in my tank that could leak, > than just about > anything else. Like every boat & jet ski sloshing back & forth all > day long never spilled a drop. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:05 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III performance From: "clrprop" Can someone help me out a little here? Was there ever a POH for the MarkIII C? If so, is it possible to get a copy? Operating limitations? Performance data? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5679#205679 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:38 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EGT probe location At 09:36 PM 9/22/08 -0400, you wrote: > >Makes sense, if fuel is still burning in the exhaust. How much higher does >it read if it's _not_ running rich? > Dana, So far it will drop to with in 50 degrees on the Victor 1+. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Use of Facet fuel pumps as backup to pulse pump From: "JetPilot" Howard, The first part of your post is very good, there are many reasons to have a backup fuel pump, and your experience is just another example of many reasons as to how having backup electric fuel pump can prevent an engine failure. I strongly disagree with the second part of your post, an electric fuel pump should always be on for takeoff and landing. Takeoff is where the fuel demand is the highest, and when you are most likely to need an electric pump. The safest thing you can do is to keep your engine running on takeoff, and prevent a crash period, you will not have time to turn on your fuel pump or restart if your engine quits soon on takeoff. You increase the chances of a crash and the fire you are so worried about by not running a backup fuel pump on takeoff. You obviously saw the results of one accident where a freak set of circumstances made it much worse, but to base your actions on ONE ACCIDENT is bad judgment. Just because something happens ONCE does not make it PROBABLE. I flipped a coin once, and it landed on the edge, does that mean than in a coin toss I am always going to guess the coin will land on the edge ??? No, I will chose heads or tails... I will chose something that is likely, not something that has a one in a million chance just because I have seen it before. Your chances of a crash on takeoff and a post crash fire are increased by NOT running the fuel pump. It is important to look at what the biggest risks are rather than obsessing over what happened in one freak accident. In certified aircraft, the procedure is to have electric backup pumps running for takeoff and landing. The best solution to avoid a fire is to avoid a crash on takeoff, the best way to avoid a crash is to keep your engine running on takeoff. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5707#205707 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:22 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: More 2008 Kolb Homecoming Photos Morning Gang: Here are a few more photos. a. My camp. b. James Tripp and his camp. c. Steven Green and his camp. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:19 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: More Homecoming Photos a. Bruce Chesnut and Bruce Chaison with Bruce's MKIII. NOTE: When I refer to my airplane it is a MKIII. It is serial number M3-011. Fuselage was built in Feb 1991, some years before the Xtra was conceived by TNK. My MKIII is not a MKIII Classic, just a MKIII. I refer to the Xtra as a MKIIIX. ;-) b. Rip Welsh and a local Sling Shot that spent some time in my area before it was sold, several years ago. c. The Boss, Donnie Sizemore, busy as usual. That's the factory MKIIIX in the background. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:45 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: More Photos of Homecoming a. Happy campers. b. "This is how I would do it!" c. Larry Duncan trying to figure out how to get home to Mountain Home, Arkansas. Larry was one of the flyin campers. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:18 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? I believe the DEP requires that fuel-contaminated soil be BURNED -- like, cremated. That's one reason why it costs so much. The air pollution may well be worse than burying it -- but that's the Gov't for you. A residence nearby had a fuel-oil leak that cost over $100-K. do not repeat! do not archive On Sep 23, 2008, at 7:58 AM, robert bean wrote: > > disposed of? in other words they dig it up and move it to another > spot..-problem solved?.... no > transplanted maybe. How many of us have gotten a good mouthful of > the old leaded stuff > trying to prime a gas transfer? > Me?, brain-damaged? nahhhhhh > BB > > _ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:46 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: More Homecoming Photos a. Travis Brown and his band of renowned. b. A big coal fired power plant from 7,000 feet SW of Oak Ridge, TN. Cruising 80 mph, my ground speed was 102 mph. That makes me smile when I get over 100 mph ground speed. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:24 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? At 07:58 AM 9/23/2008, robert bean wrote: > >disposed of? in other words they dig it up and move it to another >spot..-problem solved?.... no >transplanted maybe. How many of us have gotten a good mouthful of >the old leaded stuff >trying to prime a gas transfer? I didn't say it made sense... -Dana do not archive -- I'm as confused as a baby in a topless bar. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:24 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? I believe the DEP requires that fuel-contaminated soil be BURNED -- like, cremated.>> Good grief. i can see the pointof all this if a tanker had crashed but for 5 gallons? Pat ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:09 AM PST US From: Jerry Jones Subject: Re: Kolb-List: More Homecoming Photos John, As always, thank you for your photos and other input. You do good by showing how much fun and adventure a person can enjoy flying light- sport type aircraft, Kolbs in particular--of course. Jerry Fresno On Sep 23, 2008, at 9:00 AM, John Hauck wrote: > a. Travis Brown and his band of renowned. > > b. A big coal fired power plant from 7,000 feet SW of Oak Ridge, > TN. Cruising 80 mph, my ground speed was 102 mph. That makes me > smile when I get over 100 mph ground speed. > > john h > mkIII < 1314 .JPG>< 1303 .JPG> ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:43 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? Hey guys, I have a well for my drinking water. Somebodies spills a quantity of any petroleum product and it gets in the aquifer and I'm screwed. So yeah, dig it up and take it elsewhere. And now back to the Kolb show, already in progress. Rick Government of the people, by the people, and for the people. You wanna criticize the government? Look in the mirror. do not archive On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Dana Hague wrote: > > At 07:58 AM 9/23/2008, robert bean wrote: > >> >> disposed of? in other words they dig it up and move it to another >> spot..-problem solved?.... no >> transplanted maybe. How many of us have gotten a good mouthful of >> the old leaded stuff >> trying to prime a gas transfer? >> > > I didn't say it made sense... > > -Dana > > do not archive > -- > I'm as confused as a baby in a topless bar. > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:42 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III performance Kolb doesn't publish a POH for any of their planes. This is very common with experimentals. Every plane is built differently so a POH would be meaningless. Sorry but that's the way it is. VNE is published as 100MPH for this plane but that is about it. Cruise speeds range from 50-80 MPH for this plane but this is all dependant on engines and accuracy/installation of the airspeed indicator. We weren't ignoring you we just don't have what you wanted. It is always best to tell us about yourself and your plane so that we can help you better. We are not in any way part of the Kolb factory. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "clrprop" Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III performance > > Can someone help me out a little here? > Was there ever a POH for the MarkIII C? If so, is it possible to get a > copy? Operating limitations? Performance data? > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5679#205679 > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:14 PM PST US From: "Bill Eslick" Subject: Kolb-List: FS II Aileron balance weight Can anybody tell me where I can get a replacement weight for my Firestar II aileron? I am not having much luck with the "new" Kolb factory. No answer. Seem to have donated this one to the countryside this morning. Bill E. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:24 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FS II Aileron balance weight Hi Bill E: TNK has three employees. All three worked their butts off last week and Sa turday and Sunday to put on the Kolb Homecoming for us. I got a good idea they had the day off yesterday and today. I bet if you call Travis in the morning, he'll be there and get you a new counterbalance weight to UPS tomo rrow. BTW: They don't get overtime, and some of their hours have been cut. That hurts in todays environment. Take care, john h mkIII Can anybody tell me where I can get a replacement weight for my Fir estar II aileron? I am not having much luck with the "new" Kolb factory. No answer. Seem to have donated this one to the countryside this morning. Bill E. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:00 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: More Photos of Homecoming From: "cristalclear13" John Hauck wrote: > a. Happy campers. > > b. "This is how I would do it!" > > c. Larry Duncan trying to figure out how to get home to Mountain Home, > Arkansas. Larry was one of the flyin campers. > > john h > mkIII Where there any Mark II's at the homecoming? -------- Cristal Waters Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5801#205801 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:21 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: airspeed tubing From: "cristalclear13" Replaced my airspeed tube on Saturday with same tube as my fuel line and it worked just fine. It was a windy bumpy day here on Saturday...more than I care to fly in again. It has cooled off around here now but it's still pretty gusty. Maybe the wind will calm down right around dusk and I can go up and take a look around. I love heights! -------- Cristal Waters Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5805#205805 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:14 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: Kolb List: re:FS II aileron balance weight --- On Tue, 9/23/08, william sullivan wrote: From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb List: re:FS II aileron balance weight - Bill- call them tomorrow morning.- I have had good luck with them.- They are probably playing catch-up after the Kolb fly-in. - ------------------------- ----------- Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:16 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: More Photos of Homecoming > Where there any Mark II's at the homecoming? > > -------- > Cristal Waters No MKII's, no US's, and no original FS's. They are getting to be antiques. There was a Kolb Flyer there though. Made of glass and powered with a 912ULS. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:15 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List: re: Homecoming - John-- The Kolb Flyer was made of glass?- Are you referring to some kind of see- through Mylar?- I saw some photos of an ultralight bi-plane covered with it, but no Kolbs.- How feasable is it? - ------------------------- -------------- Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:04 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List: re: Homecoming Composites!!! john h mkIII John- The Kolb Flyer was made of glass? Are you referring to so me kind of see- through Mylar? I saw some photos of an ultralight bi-plane covered with it, but no Kolbs. How feasable is it? Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:18 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List: re: Homecoming At 06:27 PM 9/23/2008, william sullivan wrote: > John- The Kolb Flyer was made of glass? Are you referring to some > kind of see- through Mylar? I saw some photos of an ultralight bi-plane > covered with it, but no Kolbs Glass... as in fiberglass... -Dana -- Never write device drivers on acid. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:26 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List re: Homecoming - Okay, John and Dana, I give up.- Where would they put any form of gla ss on a Kolb Flyer?- The photos that I've seen don't show any pod or body .. - ------------------------- ---------- Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:02 PM PST US From: "Carlos" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FS II Aileron balance weight Hi Bill, How goes the Firestar flying? Sorry to hear about your unintentional donation. The Kolb guys are really good folks to deal with.With the Kolb Homecoming and other stuff they may have needed a short break before getting back to work. How many hours have you put on your bird since you've got it? Us busy-bodies would like to know :-) Best Regards Carlos Grageda ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Eslick To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: Kolb-List: FS II Aileron balance weight Can anybody tell me where I can get a replacement weight for my Firestar II aileron? I am not having much luck with the "new" Kolb factory. No answer. Seem to have donated this one to the countryside this morning. Bill E. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:20 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List re: Homecoming Bill S: It is not Homer Kolb's old Flyer, but TNK's new composite Kolb Flyer SS, an LSA. john h mkIII Okay, John and Dana, I give up. Where would they put any form of glass o n a Kolb Flyer? The photos that I've seen don't show any pod or body. Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:52 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List re: Homecoming At 09:14 PM 9/23/2008, william sullivan wrote: > Okay, John and Dana, I give up. Where would they put any form of glass > on a Kolb Flyer? The photos that I've seen don't show any pod or body. They've resurrected the "Flyer" name for their new aircraft: http://www.kolbsport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=61&Itemid=99 -Dana -- The most useful tool for dealing with management types is, of course, an automatic weapon. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:06 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: airspeed tubing From: "cristalclear13" It was a beautiful evening for flying! Temperature is wonderful, sunset was gorgeous (it just goes down too fast!), air was smooth and just enough of a breeze to give a good lift. With the sun setting so early now I just had time for a couple trips around the pattern before the sun went down. But those few minutes are wonderful. -------- Cristal Waters Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5859#205859 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:19 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Flyer - Thanks.- I forgot about the LSA version.- Must be senility- I hope! - do not archive ------------------------- ------------------ Bil Sullivan ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:22 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List re: Homecoming Bill, Attached please find a pic of a Kolb Flyer, I believe you may be unfa miliar with Kolbs new model- ;-) Chris=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: william sullivan =0ATo: kolb list =0ASent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:14:13 PM=0ASu bject: Kolb-List: Kolb List re: Homecoming=0A=0A=0A- Okay, John and Dana, I give up.- Where would they put any form of glass on a Kolb Flyer?- T he photos that I've seen don't show any pod or body.=0A=0A----- ------------------------- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D onics.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:26 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List: Re: homcoming - Chris- nice photo- better than the factory website.- WAY past my budg et! ------------------------- ---------------- thanks ------------------------- --------------------- Bill Sulliv an do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:07 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: harvested peanut feild for a landing strip? From: "grantr" Today the farmer picked the peanuts in the field surrounding my house so now I have a big 30ish acre field with 1200 to 1800 feet of length in any direction. Since the crop has been picked the field is smooth with rows of peanut hay however its real dry and dusty. I am sure many of you are familiar with peanut fields and how dusty things are during harvest. I would like to use it as my airstrip until the guy plows it in which will be a while probably 4 to 5 months however i am a bit concerned about the dusty conditions damaging my prop and sand blasting the tail section. Do any of you fly from fields like this? Should i be concerned with the dirt the prop is going to kick up? It would be so convenient to roll my plane out of the trailer and takeoff from my backyard. 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