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1. 05:19 AM - Re: Mark III performance (clrprop)
2. 05:50 AM - Re: Mark III performance (cristalclear13)
3. 06:35 AM - home-built (clrprop)
4. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: Mark III performance (Richard Girard)
5. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: Mark III performance (Richard Girard)
6. 07:58 AM - Re: Mark III performance (clrprop)
7. 11:21 AM - Re: airspeed tubing (grantr)
8. 11:50 AM - Re: harvested peanut field for a landing strip? (cristalclear13)
9. 11:53 AM - Re: airspeed tubing (cristalclear13)
10. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: airspeed tubing (robert bean)
11. 05:31 PM - The Cessna 162 and the BRS (Richard Girard)
12. 06:08 PM - The Cessna 162 and the BRS (Jack B. Hart)
13. 06:27 PM - Re: The Cessna 162 and the BRS (Richard Girard)
14. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: Mark III performance (Richard Girard)
15. 08:32 PM - Re: Mark III performance (clrprop)
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III performance |
Thanks for the response Rick.
I was looking for at least the performances originally published by Kolb for the
MK-3. I understand the New Kolb may not want to give this info because of liability
issues.
Someone has e-mailed this info to me directly.
This is my first plane and I'm just trying to comply with the regs for carrying
an operating limitations in the plane.
I took the ELSA repairman course this past weekend given by Mike Huffman and your
name came up Cristal! He had nice things to say about your achievements!
Keath Toney
MK-3C /582
Lex. SC
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III performance |
clrprop wrote:
> I took the ELSA repairman course this past weekend given by Mike Huffman and
your name came up Cristal! He had nice things to say about your achievements!
>
> Keath Toney
> MK-3C /582
> Lex. SC
That's humbling. Thanks Keath. My annual is coming up in November so now I have
to check my class notes and materials and remember all that Mike taught me!
I look forward to putting into practice what I learned.
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Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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This is off topic but thought you all might enjoy.
This guy must have some amazing building skills. I'd love to see this plane in
person...
http://www.mlive.com/grpress/news/index.ssf/2008/09/holland_man_builds_world_war_i.html
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III performance |
Keath, Not to be the terminology nazi, I'm only bringing this up because you
say this is your first plane.Operating limitations are not something you
make up. Operation limitations are given to you by the FAA inspector or the
DAR at the time the airworthiness certificate is given. If you don't have
them, and your aircraft is registered you can call your local FSDO and ask
how to get a copy.
Since you mention wanting to be in compliance you should have those
documents for which pilots use the acronym AROW (used to be ARROW, but there
is no requirement for a radio license anymore hence the single "R")
Airworthiness
certificate, Registration, Operating limitations, Weight and Balance. The
last, weight and balance, is the only one of the four documents which you
author.
Rick
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:19 AM, clrprop <ktony@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the response Rick.
> I was looking for at least the performances originally published by Kolb
> for the MK-3. I understand the New Kolb may not want to give this info
> because of liability issues.
> Someone has e-mailed this info to me directly.
> This is my first plane and I'm just trying to comply with the regs for
> carrying an operating limitations in the plane.
>
> I took the ELSA repairman course this past weekend given by Mike Huffman
> and your name came up Cristal! He had nice things to say about your
> achievements!
>
> Keath Toney
> MK-3C /582
> Lex. SC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5900#205900
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III performance |
Keath, Hit the send button a little early, sorry. The performance numbers
you mentioned might be listed in your aircraft's logbook. If the original
builder was thorough he put them in there as part of signing the log to show
compliance with and completion of phase 1 testing.
Rick
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> Keath, Not to be the terminology nazi, I'm only bringing this up because
> you say this is your first plane.Operating limitations are not something
> you make up. Operation limitations are given to you by the FAA inspector or
> the DAR at the time the airworthiness certificate is given. If you don't
> have them, and your aircraft is registered you can call your local FSDO and
> ask how to get a copy.
> Since you mention wanting to be in compliance you should have those
> documents for which pilots use the acronym AROW (used to be ARROW, but there
> is no requirement for a radio license anymore hence the single "R") Airworthiness
> certificate, Registration, Operating limitations, Weight and Balance. The
> last, weight and balance, is the only one of the four documents which you
> author.
>
> Rick
> do not archive
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:19 AM, clrprop <ktony@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for the response Rick.
>> I was looking for at least the performances originally published by Kolb
>> for the MK-3. I understand the New Kolb may not want to give this info
>> because of liability issues.
>> Someone has e-mailed this info to me directly.
>> This is my first plane and I'm just trying to comply with the regs for
>> carrying an operating limitations in the plane.
>>
>> I took the ELSA repairman course this past weekend given by Mike Huffman
>> and your name came up Cristal! He had nice things to say about your
>> achievements!
>>
>> Keath Toney
>> MK-3C /582
>> Lex. SC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5900#205900
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III performance |
Thanks Rick,
I'll check with the FSDO.
According to the class I just took, The weight & balance is actually not required.
I expect to get pounced on about this, just relating what I was told. I was
also told that if it is asked for and not given, I can expect to be cited for
operating recklessly and something else I can't recall at the moment.
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| Subject: | Re: airspeed tubing |
Cristal,
I don't know what the winds were in Waycross but the winds here on Saturday were
10- 14 mph mph with gust of 20mph. I was asked to fly down to a flyin in Moultrie
however everyone backed out due to the wind.
I sure as heck wasn't going to go up in that at least not yet. What were the winds
there on Saturday?
I hope to fly this weekend. I haven't flown since I got my license..
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| Subject: | Re: harvested peanut field for a landing strip? |
I don't know how many people ARE actually familiar with peanut fields on the forum.
Not many from GA. Mostly pine trees and swamp where I live. Sounds like
you might be having to do a lot of cleaning up if you fly in and out of there.
Have you got a four-wheeler so you can drive on it and see how soft it is?
Wouldn't want to get bogged down in the S. GA. sand (or red clay or whatever
you have in your area).
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Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| Subject: | Re: airspeed tubing |
grantr wrote:
> Cristal,
>
> I don't know what the winds were in Waycross but the winds here on Saturday were
10- 14 mph mph with gust of 20mph. I was asked to fly down to a flyin in Moultrie
however everyone backed out due to the wind.
>
> I sure as heck wasn't going to go up in that at least not yet. What were the
winds there on Saturday?
>
> I hope to fly this weekend. I haven't flown since I got my license..
Hi Grant. Hope you get to fly your Kolb soon. I kept checking the AWOS and it
never said anything about gusts but after I got up in the air I knew it was.
It ranged anywhere from 7-10 before I went up, but it was right down runway 5.
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Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| Subject: | Re: airspeed tubing |
It was a perfect day for a ride in a Kolb here in the northeast and,
since these days are numbered,
I pushed the crate out onto the LOOONG grass and fired it up. Gentle
breeze right down the runway,
dense air made it jump off in short order. I landed at a neighbor's
strip, no heads popped out, turned around and
left. I cruised over the local golf courses, noticed no shaking
fists, spotted what looked like a J3 cub and chased
after him. I was gaining on him until I felt a little twitter in the
stick.... durn it, got to put those balancers on.
Slowed back to sub warp 3 and went back home. Sure was pretty.
BB
MkIII, suzuki
honorary member of ROODF (ancient acronym for royal order of dusty
firewalls)
On 24, Sep 2008, at 2:53 PM, cristalclear13 wrote:
> <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
>
>
> grantr wrote:
>> Cristal,
>>
>> I don't know what the winds were in Waycross but the winds here on
>> Saturday were 10- 14 mph mph with gust of 20mph. I was asked to
>> fly down to a flyin in Moultrie however everyone backed out due to
>> the wind.
>>
>> I sure as heck wasn't going to go up in that at least not yet.
>> What were the winds there on Saturday?
>>
>> I hope to fly this weekend. I haven't flown since I got my license..
>
>
> Hi Grant. Hope you get to fly your Kolb soon. I kept checking the
> AWOS and it never said anything about gusts but after I got up in
> the air I knew it was. It ranged anywhere from 7-10 before I went
> up, but it was right down runway 5.
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
> Mark II Twinstar
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | The Cessna 162 and the BRS |
Since I live about 15 miles from where the "Flycatcher" went in last
Thursday, I was naturally interested in what happened. At our EAA chapter
meeting Saturday night I asked if anyone had any more information than what
had been on Avweb. One of the Cessna engineers in the group said the "Bang
and sparks" reported in the media was the BRS firing after the aircraft,
which was being spun at far aft CG, entered a stabilized flat spin and
wouldn't recover. The pilot had to bail out when the BRS streamered. He was
unhurt, thank goodness.I wonder how the folks in St. Paul will list that as
a "save".
Rick
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| Subject: | The Cessna 162 and the BRS |
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
>
Since I live about 15 miles from where the "Flycatcher" went in last
Thursday, I was naturally interested in what happened. At our EAA chapter
meeting Saturday night I asked if anyone had any more information than what
had been on Avweb. One of the Cessna engineers in the group said the "Bang
and sparks" reported in the media was the BRS firing after the aircraft,
which was being spun at far aft CG, entered a stabilized flat spin and
wouldn't recover. The pilot had to bail out when the BRS streamered. He was
unhurt, thank goodness. I wonder how the folks in St. Paul will list that
as a "save".
>
Rick,
It seems that you are expecting a lot from the BRS. It is difficult to
design a BRS to counter the condition of "being spun at far aft CG, entered
a stabilized flat spin." This is a good lesson in that one cannot expect a
BRS to save you from all the crazy things that people can and will do to
aircraft. Maybe they can come up with a BRS wing tip drogue shute to slow the
spin. The other lesson is that this can happen to any aircraft with an aft
CG, including Kolb designs.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: The Cessna 162 and the BRS |
Jack, The unfortunate think about the web is that there is no emoticon for
how far my tongue was into my cheek. :-} On the other hand, there's at least
one aircraft on the TC side of the aisle that cannot be sold without a BRS
because ANY spin is unrecoverable. Seems they're expecting a lot of that
BRS, too. Big tongue excursion again, guys.
Rick
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>wrote:
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:31:06 -0500
> From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
> >
> Since I live about 15 miles from where the "Flycatcher" went in last
> Thursday, I was naturally interested in what happened. At our EAA chapter
> meeting Saturday night I asked if anyone had any more information than what
> had been on Avweb. One of the Cessna engineers in the group said the "Bang
> and sparks" reported in the media was the BRS firing after the aircraft,
> which was being spun at far aft CG, entered a stabilized flat spin and
> wouldn't recover. The pilot had to bail out when the BRS streamered. He was
> unhurt, thank goodness. I wonder how the folks in St. Paul will list that
> as a "save".
> >
>
> Rick,
>
> It seems that you are expecting a lot from the BRS. It is difficult to
> design a BRS to counter the condition of "being spun at far aft CG, entered
> a stabilized flat spin." This is a good lesson in that one cannot expect a
> BRS to save you from all the crazy things that people can and will do to
> aircraft. Maybe they can come up with a BRS wing tip drogue shute to slow
> the
> spin. The other lesson is that this can happen to any aircraft with an aft
> CG, including Kolb designs.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III performance |
I put in a call to the Light Sport Branch to get FAR on this, but the only
guy in the office was a flight test guy who didn't know right off. He did
confirm that of the four items, only W & B is authored by the owner. I've
just had it drilled into me that those four documents are the first thing to
look for after opening the door. Perhaps it's not as strict on the
experimental side of the aisle.Just curious, your Mk 3 is "N" numbered,
isn't it?
Rick
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:58 AM, clrprop <ktony@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks Rick,
> I'll check with the FSDO.
> According to the class I just took, The weight & balance is actually not
> required. I expect to get pounced on about this, just relating what I was
> told. I was also told that if it is asked for and not given, I can expect to
> be cited for operating recklessly and something else I can't recall at the
> moment.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5925#205925
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III performance |
It's just a technicality. I think the second possible charge was failure to be
in a condition for safe operation. Either way, if you don't have it, you're in
deep doo-doo.
My ignorance about the operating limitations shows my very limited knowledge about
all of this but you've got to start somewhere right? That's why I'm here asking
questions.
My plane is N numbered but the circumstances surrounding how I got it are a bit
unusual and I didn't get any kind of operating limitation sheet and a very basic
w&b entry in the log.
I ordered a copy of all records for it from the faa today.
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