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1. 12:36 AM - Re: Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (Tony Oldman)
2. 06:10 AM - Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (william sullivan)
3. 07:51 AM - Re: Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (Richard Girard)
4. 08:04 AM - Re: Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (John Hauck)
5. 09:43 AM - Re: Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (robert bean)
6. 10:36 AM - Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (william sullivan)
7. 11:08 AM - Re: Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (John Hauck)
8. 11:53 AM - Kolb List Re: platypus hop (Luke)
9. 01:29 PM - Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (william sullivan)
10. 01:48 PM - FALCON AIR SPEED INDICATOR (frank goodnight)
11. 02:02 PM - Re: FALCON AIR SPEED INDICATOR (robert bean)
12. 02:06 PM - Re: FALCON AIR SPEED INDICATOR (Richard Girard)
13. 02:36 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (John Hauck)
14. 02:48 PM - Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (william sullivan)
15. 03:20 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 09/23/08 (Skywaylodge)
16. 03:24 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 09/22/08 (Skywaylodge)
17. 03:55 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (russ kinne)
18. 04:03 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (Dana Hague)
19. 04:12 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (Richard Girard)
20. 04:20 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (John Hauck)
21. 04:24 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (Dana Hague)
22. 04:33 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: platypus hop (Dana Hague)
23. 04:52 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (Richard Girard)
24. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 09/22/08 (Richard Girard)
25. 05:05 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: platypus hop (robert bean)
26. 05:14 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (Dana Hague)
27. 06:06 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Platypus hop (Richard Girard)
28. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: 447 tuning tips (gary aman)
29. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: 447 tuning tips (Richard Girard)
30. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: 447 tuning tips (Richard Girard)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
William ,it is great to to hear from some one that is so open and
willing to share their mistakes so others may learn. It is also really
good you did not damage your self beyound repair. I can understand the
desire to aviate and find it difficult to chastise anyone that finds
themselves in a place they would rather not be . Have been there, like
the day I hit a real southerly front and went from 500ft to 1500 in
the bat of an eyelid then lost the same 1000 just as fast. The spare
helmet was glued to the cockpit roof . As I was flying directly into the
wind I desided to head home , from the time I started the turn to the
timr I came out of it I had covered about 1 mile .Arrived back at the
airport and had to use full throttle ,stick hard forward just to get to
the ground. Good thing some flying savy people were there when I landed.
Very short landing roll ,touch ground ,kill the power and stop. The
people that watched me come in were there to grab the wings, drape a
body across the tail boom and assist me back to the hanger . The tower
gave a gusting wind speed of 35 mph when I landed . that is about my
stall speed . The game we play can be very unforgiving . Did I learn
anything from my experiance, well yes ,just because the weather was
really calm when I took off the indications were there that it was going
to change, so I should have used my judgment on the weather as opposed
to my desire to go flying and I also learned that Kolbs can fly
backwards, as I was on short finals and reduced power the runway was
getting further away.
Many regards
Downunder
Kolb MK111
----- Original Message -----
From: william sullivan
To: kolb list
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 12:05 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List re: Platypus hop
John- I agree. We (the students) were given permission for
slow taxiing. I would not know how slow was slow, or how fast was
dangerous. I am listing every possible mistake I've made so that
other's won't make the same ones. Please continue with the comments.
Thank You
Bill
Sullivan
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| Subject: | Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
- Tony-- Now that is scary!- I was at a small air show about 25 years
ago, and a demo pilot from Pioneer Parachute was flying one of their chute
equipped ultralights.- The wind was blowing strong but consistant straig
ht down the runway.- He adjusted his throttle, and hovered about 30 feet
up for about 10 minutes.-He would have had no trouble flying backwards.
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- I had made the exact same run about 50 times without any trouble.- Sa
me rpm, equipment, etc.- This is why I believe a gust was responsible for
the actual airspeed necessary to lift off.- I had a full enclosure, so I
never felt wind.- The vertical embankment was only about 30 feet away. a
nd went up maybe 12 feet or so.- The runway sits in a man-made depression
at an old dump.-
- John re-capped my previous experience.- I had taken lessons for a sho
rt time about 40 years ago, but stopped because of an injury.- I was star
ting over again, now that I had the time and money.- Once again- I am not
a pilot!!!
- I grade my memory at only about 80% sure because I was knocked out, and
the memories are fragmented.- I would rather be criticized than have to
go to somebody's funeral.- Been there, done that, and a friend was very m
essily dead.- He got hit by a car while attending to a broken down truck-
not alert enough.- Sometimes warnings aren't adequate, sometimes things
just happen.
-
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------------------- Bill Sullivan-
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
Bill, At least here on the forum, I see no one has answered your question
about how fast to taxi. I'll give you the answer as it has been drilled into
me by every flight instructor I've ever trained with. Walking speed. Taxi as
fast as you walk. Not jog, not trot, not run. Walk. Which makes taxiing
about as much fun as riding a garden tractor, as it should be. If your
instructor didn't explain this to you, give serious thought to finding a new
instructor. If he didn't give you explicit instruction when he released you
to do slow taxiing, in what else has he been remiss?
Rick
do not archive
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 8:09 AM, william sullivan
<williamtsullivan@att.net>wrote:
> Tony- Now that is scary! I was at a small air show about 25 years ago,
> and a demo pilot from Pioneer Parachute was flying one of their chute
> equipped ultralights. The wind was blowing strong but consistant straight
> down the runway. He adjusted his throttle, and hovered about 30 feet up for
> about 10 minutes. He would have had no trouble flying backwards.
> I had made the exact same run about 50 times without any trouble. Same
> rpm, equipment, etc. This is why I believe a gust was responsible for the
> actual airspeed necessary to lift off. I had a full enclosure, so I never
> felt wind. The vertical embankment was only about 30 feet away. and went up
> maybe 12 feet or so. The runway sits in a man-made depression at an old
> dump.
> John re-capped my previous experience. I had taken lessons for a short
> time about 40 years ago, but stopped because of an injury. I was starting
> over again, now that I had the time and money. Once again- I am not a
> pilot!!!
> I grade my memory at only about 80% sure because I was knocked out, and
> the memories are fragmented. I would rather be criticized than have to go
> to somebody's funeral. Been there, done that, and a friend was very messily
> dead. He got hit by a car while attending to a broken down truck- not alert
> enough. Sometimes warnings aren't adequate, sometimes things just happen.
>
> Bill Sullivan
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
Rick:
I doubt very seriously Mr Sullivan got a whole lot of instruction in one or
ientation ride.
As pertains to how fast or slow to taxi, I shared my experience yesterday i
n my reply to Bill Sullivan's post:
"I mentioned to Vic the other day on the Kolb List, taxi speeds, to me, are
perceived ground speeds of a fast walk or less, not 25 to 30 mph. Anythin
g faster than that, and you are either transitioning from a landing or taki
ng off."
john h
mkIII
Bill, At least here on the forum, I see no one has answered your question
about how fast to taxi. I'll give you the answer as it has been drilled in
to me by every flight instructor I've ever trained with. Walking speed. Tax
i as fast as you walk. Not jog, not trot, not run. Walk. Which makes taxiin
g about as much fun as riding a garden tractor, as it should be. If your in
structor didn't explain this to you, give serious thought to finding a new
instructor. If he didn't give you explicit instruction when he released you
to do slow taxiing, in what else has he been remiss?
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
How fast I taxi depends on whether the harness is snapped on... :)
-but seriously, there are factors, such as gusty conditions (a crawl)
pavement: slow because of weak brakes, more twitchy tail reaction.
my long grass: go for it, get a thrill!
BB
On 28, Sep 2008, at 11:04 AM, John Hauck wrote:
> Rick:
>
> I doubt very seriously Mr Sullivan got a whole lot of instruction
> in one orientation ride.
>
> As pertains to how fast or slow to taxi, I shared my experience
> yesterday in my reply to Bill Sullivan's post:
>
> "I mentioned to Vic the other day on the Kolb List, taxi speeds, to
> me, are perceived ground speeds of a fast walk or less, not 25 to
> 30 mph. Anything faster than that, and you are either
> transitioning from a landing or taking off."
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> Bill, At least here on the forum, I see no one has answered your
> question about how fast to taxi. I'll give you the answer as it has
> been drilled into me by every flight instructor I've ever trained
> with. Walking speed. Taxi as fast as you walk. Not jog, not trot,
> not run. Walk. Which makes taxiing about as much fun as riding a
> garden tractor, as it should be. If your instructor didn't explain
> this to you, give serious thought to finding a new instructor. If
> he didn't give you explicit instruction when he released you to do
> slow taxiing, in what else has he been remiss?
>
> Rick
>
>
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| Subject: | Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
- How about we keep it as simple as possible for the beginners.- Taxi s
peed equals walking speed.
- Another one that I did pick up from the List-- Keep the stick back an
d apply power gently when starting to taxi, otherwise the Kolb might nose o
ver.
-
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----------------- Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
Bill S:
I get the impression you are trying to learn to fly on the Kolb List. This
would be the last place I attempted to learn to fly. First place I would
go would be a competent flight instructor.
If I am wrong, promptly correct me and I will get on with my chores.
john h
mkIII
How about we keep it as simple as possible for the beginners.
Another one that I did pick up from the List- Keep the stick back and app
ly power gently when starting to taxi, otherwise the Kolb might nose over.
Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | Kolb List re: platypus hop |
> I get the impression you are trying to learn to fly on the Kolb List.
I'm a lurker here myself, and it appears Bill S. is not trying to learn how to
fly here on the Kolb List, but simply gain helpful advice and ideas. If I had
my own Kolb and was just learning how to fly it I would definitely have an instructor
to show me the straight and narrow, but even still the wisdom of you all
would be very helpful and informative.
I enjoy reading everyones advice and techniques, since i don't have a Kolb to play
with myself :)
FWIW
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"The LORD is a warrior; the LORD is his name." Exodus 15:3
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6596#206596
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| Subject: | Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
John-- I am not looking to learn to fly here, except for peculiarities to
Kolbs.- My intent was to learn from scratch in an LSA ( a CT Sport out o
f Northampton, Mass.), and then transition to an ultralight, then to the Ko
lb.- If we ever get some good weather, I'll start again.- They just got
a new-CT.-
- I was trying to get you and others to give the lurkers some basics, esp
ecially pertaining to the Kolb types.- Sorry you misunderstood.-
- I would like to hear of incidents and mistakes by others, so they can b
e averted.-
- Also, how on earth did you manage to deploy that hand-held parachute?
- Tell more stories, please.
-
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---------------------- Bill Sul
livan
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| Subject: | FALCON AIR SPEED INDICATOR |
HI;=0AI;M NEW TO THE KOLB LIST. I FLY A FIRESTARII WITH A HKS ENGINE.50 HRS
.. FROM BROWNSVILLE ,TX.=0AI BOUGHT A FALCON 0 TO 80 MPH ASI FROM AIR CRAFT
SPRUCE & SPECIALTY. WHEN I RECIVED IT =0AIT READ 0 MPH, HOWEVER AFTER INST
ALLING IT THE =0AHAND IS BETWEE 80 & 0 MPH AS IT SITS IN THE HANGER. I- D
IDN'T DO ANYTHING TO IT OTHER THAN =0AMOUNT IT AND INSTALL THE TUBEING. WHE
N I FLY THE HAND MOVES CLOCK WISE AND SHOWS ABOUT 30 MPHWHEN THE PLANE IS G
OING ABOUT 60 , SO IT SEEMS TO WORK OK . ITS JUST- THAT THE POINTER IS IN
THE WRONG PLACE. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF I =0ACAN MOVE THE POINTER- SO IT WI
LL SHOW 0 MPH=0AWHEN THEA/C IS SETTING STILL?=0A=0A=0A-THANKS FRANK GOODN
IGHT =0A-BROWNSVILLE ,TX=0A-FIRESTAR II- HKS ENGINE
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| Subject: | Re: FALCON AIR SPEED INDICATOR |
Frank, call them and tell them you are returning it.
BB
do not archive
On 28, Sep 2008, at 4:47 PM, frank goodnight wrote:
> HI;
> I;M NEW TO THE KOLB LIST. I FLY A FIRESTARII WITH A HKS ENGINE.50
> HRS.. FROM BROWNSVILLE ,TX.
> I BOUGHT A FALCON 0 TO 80 MPH ASI FROM AIR CRAFT SPRUCE &
> SPECIALTY. WHEN I RECIVED IT
> IT READ 0 MPH, HOWEVER AFTER INSTALLING IT THE
> HAND IS BETWEE 80 & 0 MPH AS IT SITS IN THE HANGER. I DIDN'T DO
> ANYTHING TO IT OTHER THAN
> MOUNT IT AND INSTALL THE TUBEING. WHEN I FLY THE HAND MOVES CLOCK
> WISE AND SHOWS ABOUT 30 MPHWHEN THE PLANE IS GOING ABOUT 60 , SO IT
> SEEMS TO WORK OK . ITS JUST THAT THE POINTER IS IN THE WRONG
> PLACE. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF I
> CAN MOVE THE POINTER SO IT WILL SHOW 0 MPH
> WHEN THEA/C IS SETTING STILL?
>
>
> THANKS FRANK GOODNIGHT
> BROWNSVILLE ,TX
> FIRESTAR II HKS ENGINE
> _-
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| Subject: | Re: FALCON AIR SPEED INDICATOR |
Frank, Please turn off the all caps. It's just too hard for old eyes to
read.
Rick
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 3:47 PM, frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>wrote:
> HI;
> I;M NEW TO THE KOLB LIST. I FLY A FIRESTARII WITH A HKS ENGINE.50 HRS..
> FROM BROWNSVILLE ,TX.
> I BOUGHT A FALCON 0 TO 80 MPH ASI FROM AIR CRAFT SPRUCE & SPECIALTY. WHEN I
> RECIVED IT
> IT READ 0 MPH, HOWEVER AFTER INSTALLING IT THE
> HAND IS BETWEE 80 & 0 MPH AS IT SITS IN THE HANGER. I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING
> TO IT OTHER THAN
> MOUNT IT AND INSTALL THE TUBEING. WHEN I FLY THE HAND MOVES CLOCK WISE AND
> SHOWS ABOUT 30 MPHWHEN THE PLANE IS GOING ABOUT 60 , SO IT SEEMS TO WORK OK
> . ITS JUST THAT THE POINTER IS IN THE WRONG PLACE. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF I
> CAN MOVE THE POINTER SO IT WILL SHOW 0 MPH
> WHEN THEA/C IS SETTING STILL?
>
>
> THANKS FRANK GOODNIGHT
> BROWNSVILLE ,TX
> FIRESTAR II HKS ENGINE
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
Bill S:
Think you are getting the horse before the cart.
Learn to fly with a competent instructor. Get a little air sense. Go thro
ugh Ground School. Seems that would be a good thing to do since you are bu
sted up at this time, and can probably handle the class room work. Learn t
he basic terminology of aviation, aircraft, and flying. That is the normal
place to start. After you learn to fly, then you can get familiar with ty
pe.
Nothing peculiar about Kolbs. They are little conventional three axis cont
rolled aircraft. The differences between other models of GA and experiment
al/ultralight/SLA aircraft pertain to Kolbs as well.
The Kolb List Archives are full of "incidents and mistakes by others", your
s included.
I think both hand deployed parachute saves are in the archives. If not, I'
ll share them with you the first time we meet.
I am not trying to be critical of you. I am trying to get you to see "real
ity". If I am headed in the wrong direction, let me know and I'll go do my
chores. ;-)
Gravity is not prejudice. It affects me same as it does you. I too, have
discovered several times, the earth is very hard.
john h - 2,869.1 hours
mkIII - 300.6 hours
John-
I am not looking to learn to fly here, except for peculiarities to
Kolbs.
I was trying to get you and others to give the lurkers some basics
, especially pertaining to the Kolb types.
I would like to hear of incidents and mistakes by others, so they
can be averted.
Also, how on earth did you manage to deploy that hand-held parachu
te? Tell more stories, please.
Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
- John-- Not really getting it backwards, just had the opportunity to p
urchase the Kolb, and was starting the instruction.- Remember, I'm not in
a hurry.
--I have always had a lot of trouble with gravity.- Every time I drop
something it goes ALL the way down.- I am considering suing the estate o
f Isaac Newton.- We never had this kind of trouble before he thought up l
aws for gravity.- They have all that money from all of those fig bars, an
yway.- I can sue- it's my right as an American.
- Love to here the detailed stories.- One of these days, John.- Meanw
hile, I'll poke around in the archives.
-
do not archive
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------ Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 09/23/08 |
PLEASE NOTE:
WE NO LONGER HAVE A KOLB AND ARE REQUESTING TO BE REMOVED FROM YOUR EMAIL MAILING
ADDRESS LIST.
THANKS
In a message dated 09/24/08 03:01:48 Eastern Daylight Time, kolb-list@matronics.com
writes:
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1. 04:47 AM - fuel additive (Ted Cowan)
2. 05:00 AM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (robert bean)
3. 06:09 AM - Re: Mark III performance (clrprop)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: EGT probe location (Jack B. Hart)
5. 08:06 AM - Re: Use of Facet fuel pumps as backup to pulse pump (JetPilot)
6. 08:33 AM - More 2008 Kolb Homecoming Photos (John Hauck)
7. 08:37 AM - More Homecoming Photos (John Hauck)
8. 08:40 AM - More Photos of Homecoming (John Hauck)
9. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (russ kinne)
10. 09:02 AM - More Homecoming Photos (John Hauck)
11. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (Dana Hague)
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13. 10:18 AM - Re: More Homecoming Photos (Jerry Jones)
14. 10:22 AM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (Richard Girard)
15. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Mark III performance (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
16. 02:10 PM - FS II Aileron balance weight (Bill Eslick)
17. 02:40 PM - Re: FS II Aileron balance weight (John Hauck)
18. 02:46 PM - Re: More Photos of Homecoming (cristalclear13)
19. 02:51 PM - Re: airspeed tubing (cristalclear13)
20. 03:02 PM - Fw: Kolb List: Re:FS II aileron balance weight (william sullivan)
21. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: More Photos of Homecoming (John Hauck)
22. 03:27 PM - Kolb List: Re: Homecoming (william sullivan)
23. 03:35 PM - Re: Kolb List: Re: Homecoming (John Hauck)
24. 05:03 PM - Re: Kolb List: Re: Homecoming (Dana Hague)
25. 06:16 PM - Kolb List Re: Homecoming (william sullivan)
26. 06:21 PM - Re: FS II Aileron balance weight (Carlos)
27. 06:37 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Homecoming (John Hauck)
28. 06:43 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Homecoming (Dana Hague)
29. 06:47 PM - Re: airspeed tubing (cristalclear13)
30. 07:10 PM - Kolb Flyer (william sullivan)
31. 07:29 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Homecoming (chris davis)
32. 07:49 PM - Kolb List: Re: homcoming (william sullivan)
33. 07:54 PM - harvested peanut feild for a landing strip? (grantr)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 04:47:05 AM PST US
From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: fuel additive
Dont know how many know this but there is another answer to using low lead
av gas. I have been reading (and using) about the new Sta-bil. There is a
website for it at www.goldeagle.com/sta-bil/stabil_marine.htm. There are
also some other brands you can find at marine outlets. I have used stabil
forever to keep tractor and motorbikes, generators clean. This is
formulated special for ethanol. I had it in my gas the whole time I was
flying at the homecoming. It sets my mind at ease that I should not have to
worry about corn squeezins in my tanks. Check it out and you may find one
less thing to worry about. Oh, yeah, put in my rv too, one once per ten
gals of gas and although I did not get better mileage, it did run a whole
lot faster over the mountains, has an octane booster in it. I am sold.
Had a funtastic time at homecoming. Great to see all you guys again, so
many Kolbs, so little time. Was impressed with the Hurth on the MkC.
Sounded and performed pretty much as a Rotax but I guess a bunch cheaper.
Also was a fantastic plane. Red, White and Blue, my colors. My Kudos to
all who worked the homecoming. We appreciate it. Ted Cowan, Alabama,
Slingshot 912.
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 05:00:32 AM PST US
From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
disposed of? in other words they dig it up and move it to another
spot..-problem solved?.... no
transplanted maybe. How many of us have gotten a good mouthful of
the old leaded stuff
trying to prime a gas transfer?
Me?, brain-damaged? nahhhhhh
BB
On 22, Sep 2008, at 9:40 PM, possums wrote:
> At 08:10 PM 9/22/2008, you wrote:
>>
>> Not a reason to choose a fuel, but an interesting aside: When my
>> friend's MKIII crashed this weekend, the DEP was on the scene
>> because all the fuel leaked out of the plane into the ground,
>> close to the river and to a well. He was quite concerned if it
>> was leaded aviation fuel (it wasn't). Either way the pilot (or
>> the pilot's insurance) will have to pay to have the soil dug up
>> and disposed of.
>>
>> -Dana
>
> Yeah, when I sunk mine in the lake, the Corp of Engineers were more
> concerned about
> wether or not I might still have fuel in my tank that could leak,
> than just about
> anything else. Like every boat & jet ski sloshing back & forth all
> day long never spilled a drop. <Torpedo Sullivan.jpg>
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 06:09:05 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III performance
From: "clrprop" <ktony@windstream.net>
Can someone help me out a little here?
Was there ever a POH for the MarkIII C? If so, is it possible to get a copy? Operating
limitations? Performance data?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 06:42:38 AM PST US
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EGT probe location
At 09:36 PM 9/22/08 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Makes sense, if fuel is still burning in the exhaust. How much higher does
>it read if it's _not_ running rich?
>
Dana,
So far it will drop to with in 50 degrees on the Victor 1+.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 08:06:13 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Use of Facet fuel pumps as backup to pulse pump
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Howard,
The first part of your post is very good, there are many reasons to have a backup
fuel pump, and your experience is just another example of many reasons as to
how having backup electric fuel pump can prevent an engine failure.
I strongly disagree with the second part of your post, an electric fuel pump should
always be on for takeoff and landing. Takeoff is where the fuel demand is
the highest, and when you are most likely to need an electric pump. The safest
thing you can do is to keep your engine running on takeoff, and prevent a
crash period, you will not have time to turn on your fuel pump or restart if your
engine quits soon on takeoff. You increase the chances of a crash and the
fire you are so worried about by not running a backup fuel pump on takeoff.
You obviously saw the results of one accident where a freak set of circumstances
made it much worse, but to base your actions on ONE ACCIDENT is bad judgment.
Just because something happens ONCE does not make it PROBABLE. I flipped
a coin once, and it landed on the edge, does that mean than in a coin toss I am
always going to guess the coin will land on the edge ??? No, I will chose heads
or tails... I will chose something that is likely, not something that has
a one in a million chance just because I have seen it before.
Your chances of a crash on takeoff and a post crash fire are increased by NOT running
the fuel pump. It is important to look at what the biggest risks are rather
than obsessing over what happened in one freak accident.
In certified aircraft, the procedure is to have electric backup pumps running for
takeoff and landing. The best solution to avoid a fire is to avoid a crash
on takeoff, the best way to avoid a crash is to keep your engine running on
takeoff.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 08:33:22 AM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: More 2008 Kolb Homecoming Photos
Morning Gang:
Here are a few more photos.
a. My camp.
b. James Tripp and his camp.
c. Steven Green and his camp.
john h
mkIII
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 08:37:19 AM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: More Homecoming Photos
a. Bruce Chesnut and Bruce Chaison with Bruce's MKIII. NOTE: When I refer
to my airplane it is a MKIII. It is serial number M3-011. Fuselage was
built in Feb 1991, some years before the Xtra was conceived by TNK. My
MKIII is not a MKIII Classic, just a MKIII. I refer to the Xtra as a
MKIIIX. ;-)
b. Rip Welsh and a local Sling Shot that spent some time in my area before
it was sold, several years ago.
c. The Boss, Donnie Sizemore, busy as usual. That's the factory MKIIIX in
the background.
john h
mkIII
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 08:40:45 AM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: More Photos of Homecoming
a. Happy campers.
b. "This is how I would do it!"
c. Larry Duncan trying to figure out how to get home to Mountain Home,
Arkansas. Larry was one of the flyin campers.
john h
mkIII
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 08:48:18 AM PST US
From: russ kinne <russ@rkiphoto.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
I believe the DEP requires that fuel-contaminated soil be BURNED --
like, cremated. That's one reason why it costs so much.
The air pollution may well be worse than burying it -- but that's the
Gov't for you.
A residence nearby had a fuel-oil leak that cost over $100-K.
do not repeat!
do not archive
On Sep 23, 2008, at 7:58 AM, robert bean wrote:
>
> disposed of? in other words they dig it up and move it to another
> spot..-problem solved?.... no
> transplanted maybe. How many of us have gotten a good mouthful of
> the old leaded stuff
> trying to prime a gas transfer?
> Me?, brain-damaged? nahhhhhh
> BB
>
> _
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 09:02:46 AM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: More Homecoming Photos
a. Travis Brown and his band of renowned.
b. A big coal fired power plant from 7,000 feet SW of Oak Ridge, TN.
Cruising 80 mph, my ground speed was 102 mph. That makes me smile when I
get over 100 mph ground speed.
john h
mkIII
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 09:22:24 AM PST US
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
At 07:58 AM 9/23/2008, robert bean wrote:
>
>disposed of? in other words they dig it up and move it to another
>spot..-problem solved?.... no
>transplanted maybe. How many of us have gotten a good mouthful of
>the old leaded stuff
>trying to prime a gas transfer?
I didn't say it made sense...
-Dana
do not archive
--
I'm as confused as a baby in a topless bar.
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 09:22:24 AM PST US
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
I believe the DEP requires that fuel-contaminated soil be BURNED --
like, cremated.>>
Good grief. i can see the pointof all this if a tanker had crashed but for
5 gallons?
Pat
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 10:18:09 AM PST US
From: Jerry Jones <maderah2@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: More Homecoming Photos
John,
As always, thank you for your photos and other input. You do good by
showing how much fun and adventure a person can enjoy flying light-
sport type aircraft, Kolbs in particular--of course.
Jerry
Fresno
On Sep 23, 2008, at 9:00 AM, John Hauck wrote:
> a. Travis Brown and his band of renowned.
>
> b. A big coal fired power plant from 7,000 feet SW of Oak Ridge,
> TN. Cruising 80 mph, my ground speed was 102 mph. That makes me
> smile when I get over 100 mph ground speed.
>
> john h
> mkIII < 1314 .JPG>< 1303 .JPG>
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 10:22:43 AM PST US
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
Hey guys, I have a well for my drinking water. Somebodies spills a quantity
of any petroleum product and it gets in the aquifer and I'm screwed. So
yeah, dig it up and take it elsewhere. And now back to the Kolb show,
already in progress.
Rick
Government of the people, by the people, and for the people. You wanna
criticize the government? Look in the mirror.
do not archive
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> At 07:58 AM 9/23/2008, robert bean wrote:
>
>>
>> disposed of? in other words they dig it up and move it to another
>> spot..-problem solved?.... no
>> transplanted maybe. How many of us have gotten a good mouthful of
>> the old leaded stuff
>> trying to prime a gas transfer?
>>
>
> I didn't say it made sense...
>
> -Dana
>
> do not archive
> --
> I'm as confused as a baby in a topless bar.
>
>
________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
Time: 11:47:42 AM PST US
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III performance
Kolb doesn't publish a POH for any of their planes. This is very common with
experimentals. Every plane is built differently so a POH would be
meaningless. Sorry but that's the way it is.
VNE is published as 100MPH for this plane but that is about it. Cruise
speeds range from 50-80 MPH for this plane but this is all dependant on
engines and accuracy/installation of the airspeed indicator.
We weren't ignoring you we just don't have what you wanted. It is always
best to tell us about yourself and your plane so that we can help you
better. We are not in any way part of the Kolb factory.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "clrprop" <ktony@windstream.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:08 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III performance
>
> Can someone help me out a little here?
> Was there ever a POH for the MarkIII C? If so, is it possible to get a
> copy? Operating limitations? Performance data?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5679#205679
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________
Time: 02:10:14 PM PST US
From: "Bill Eslick" <wgeslick@gmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: FS II Aileron balance weight
Can anybody tell me where I can get a replacement weight for my Firestar
II aileron? I am not having much luck with the "new" Kolb factory. No
answer.
Seem to have donated this one to the countryside this morning.
Bill E.
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________
Time: 02:40:24 PM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FS II Aileron balance weight
Hi Bill E:
TNK has three employees. All three worked their butts off last week and Sa
turday and Sunday to put on the Kolb Homecoming for us. I got a good idea
they had the day off yesterday and today. I bet if you call Travis in the
morning, he'll be there and get you a new counterbalance weight to UPS tomo
rrow.
BTW: They don't get overtime, and some of their hours have been cut. That
hurts in todays environment.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
Can anybody tell me where I can get a replacement weight for my Fir
estar II aileron? I am not having much luck with the "new" Kolb factory.
No answer.
Seem to have donated this one to the countryside this morning.
Bill E.
________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________
Time: 02:46:00 PM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: More Photos of Homecoming
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
John Hauck wrote:
> a. Happy campers.
>
> b. "This is how I would do it!"
>
> c. Larry Duncan trying to figure out how to get home to Mountain Home,
> Arkansas. Larry was one of the flyin campers.
>
> john h
> mkIII
Where there any Mark II's at the homecoming?
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________
Time: 02:51:21 PM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: airspeed tubing
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
Replaced my airspeed tube on Saturday with same tube as my fuel line and it worked
just fine. It was a windy bumpy day here on Saturday...more than I care to
fly in again. It has cooled off around here now but it's still pretty gusty.
Maybe the wind will calm down right around dusk and I can go up and take a
look around. I love heights!
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________
Time: 03:02:14 PM PST US
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: Kolb List: re:FS II aileron balance weight
--- On Tue, 9/23/08, william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net> wrote:
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Subject: Kolb List: re:FS II aileron balance weight
- Bill- call them tomorrow morning.- I have had good luck with them.-
They are probably playing catch-up after the Kolb fly-in.
-
-------------------------
----------- Bill Sullivan
________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________
Time: 03:20:16 PM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: More Photos of Homecoming
> Where there any Mark II's at the homecoming?
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
No MKII's, no US's, and no original FS's.
They are getting to be antiques.
There was a Kolb Flyer there though. Made of glass and powered with a
912ULS.
john h
mkIII
________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________
Time: 03:27:15 PM PST US
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List: re: Homecoming
- John-- The Kolb Flyer was made of glass?- Are you referring to some
kind of see- through Mylar?- I saw some photos of an ultralight bi-plane
covered with it, but no Kolbs.- How feasable is it?
-
-------------------------
-------------- Bill Sullivan
________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________
Time: 03:35:04 PM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List: re: Homecoming
Composites!!!
john h
mkIII
John- The Kolb Flyer was made of glass? Are you referring to so
me kind of see- through Mylar? I saw some photos of an ultralight bi-plane
covered with it, but no Kolbs. How feasable is it?
Bill Sullivan
________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________
Time: 05:03:18 PM PST US
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List: re: Homecoming
At 06:27 PM 9/23/2008, william sullivan wrote:
> John- The Kolb Flyer was made of glass? Are you referring to some
> kind of see- through Mylar? I saw some photos of an ultralight bi-plane
> covered with it, but no Kolbs
Glass... as in fiberglass...
-Dana
--
Never write device drivers on acid.
________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________
Time: 06:16:26 PM PST US
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List re: Homecoming
- Okay, John and Dana, I give up.- Where would they put any form of gla
ss on a Kolb Flyer?- The photos that I've seen don't show any pod or body
..
-
-------------------------
---------- Bill Sullivan
________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________
Time: 06:21:02 PM PST US
From: "Carlos" <grageda@innw.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FS II Aileron balance weight
Hi Bill,
How goes the Firestar flying? Sorry to hear about your unintentional
donation.
The Kolb guys are really good folks to deal with.With the Kolb
Homecoming and other stuff they may have needed a short break before
getting back to work.
How many hours have you put on your bird since you've got it?
Us busy-bodies would like to know :-)
Best Regards
Carlos Grageda
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Eslick
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:09 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: FS II Aileron balance weight
Can anybody tell me where I can get a replacement weight for my
Firestar II aileron? I am not having much luck with the "new" Kolb
factory. No answer.
Seem to have donated this one to the countryside this morning.
Bill E.
________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________
Time: 06:37:20 PM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List re: Homecoming
Bill S:
It is not Homer Kolb's old Flyer, but TNK's new composite Kolb Flyer SS, an
LSA.
john h
mkIII
Okay, John and Dana, I give up. Where would they put any form of glass o
n a Kolb Flyer? The photos that I've seen don't show any pod or body.
Bill Sullivan
________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________
Time: 06:43:52 PM PST US
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List re: Homecoming
At 09:14 PM 9/23/2008, william sullivan wrote:
> Okay, John and Dana, I give up. Where would they put any form of glass
> on a Kolb Flyer? The photos that I've seen don't show any pod or body.
They've resurrected the "Flyer" name for their new aircraft:
http://www.kolbsport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=61&Itemid=99
-Dana
--
The most useful tool for dealing with management types is, of course, an
automatic weapon.
________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________
Time: 06:47:06 PM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: airspeed tubing
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
It was a beautiful evening for flying! Temperature is wonderful, sunset was gorgeous
(it just goes down too fast!), air was smooth and just enough of a breeze
to give a good lift. With the sun setting so early now I just had time for
a couple trips around the pattern before the sun went down. But those few minutes
are wonderful.
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________
Time: 07:10:19 PM PST US
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Flyer
- Thanks.- I forgot about the LSA version.- Must be senility- I hope!
-
do not archive
-------------------------
------------------ Bil Sullivan
________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________
Time: 07:29:22 PM PST US
From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List re: Homecoming
Bill, Attached please find a pic of a Kolb Flyer, I believe you may be unfa
miliar with Kolbs new model- ;-) Chris=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message
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olb-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:14:13 PM=0ASu
bject: Kolb-List: Kolb List re: Homecoming=0A=0A=0A- Okay, John and Dana,
I give up.- Where would they put any form of glass on a Kolb Flyer?- T
he photos that I've seen don't show any pod or body.=0A=0A-----
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Time: 07:49:26 PM PST US
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List: Re: homcoming
- Chris- nice photo- better than the factory website.- WAY past my budg
et!
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---------------- thanks
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an
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________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________
Time: 07:54:07 PM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: harvested peanut feild for a landing strip?
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
Today the farmer picked the peanuts in the field surrounding my house so now I
have a big 30ish acre field with 1200 to 1800 feet of length in any direction.
Since the crop has been picked the field is smooth with rows of peanut hay however
its real dry and dusty. I am sure many of you are familiar with peanut
fields and how dusty things are during harvest.
I would like to use it as my airstrip until the guy plows it in which will be
a while probably 4 to 5 months however i am a bit concerned about the dusty conditions
damaging my prop and sand blasting the tail section. Do any of you
fly from fields like this?
Should i be concerned with the dirt the prop is going to kick up? It would be so
convenient to roll my plane out of the trailer and takeoff from my backyard.
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1. 04:29 AM - 447 Tuning (2danglico)
2. 05:50 AM - EGT? (grantr)
3. 06:07 AM - Re: MKIII crash today (grantr)
4. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: MKIII crash today (Dana Hague)
5. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: MKIII crash today (Jack B. Hart)
6. 01:01 PM - 100LL use in rotax 503? (grantr)
7. 01:30 PM - Re: Use of Facet fuel pumps as backup to pulse pump (jb92563)
8. 01:48 PM - Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (John Hauck)
9. 02:00 PM - Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (grantr)
10. 02:00 PM - Re: 2008 Kolb Homecoming (icrashrc)
11. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (John Hauck)
12. 02:29 PM - 2008 Kolb Homecoming (John Hauck)
13. 04:53 PM - Re: EGT? (grantr)
14. 04:56 PM - Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (grantr)
15. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (Dana Hague)
16. 05:12 PM - EGT probe location (Dana Hague)
17. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (herb)
18. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (Jim Baker)
19. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (Steven Green)
20. 06:27 PM - Re: EGT probe location (Jack B. Hart)
21. 06:39 PM - Re: EGT probe location (Dana Hague)
22. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (possums)
23. 08:08 PM - Re: EGT probe location (Jim Dunn)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 04:29:46 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: 447 Tuning
From: "2danglico" <john.tempest@basf.com>
Hey Guys,
I appreciate the feedback. I've put a couple hours on her since my last post and
noticed these things. Climb out rpm is 5800-6000, level flight is 6200. Prop
is 66 inches and 30 degrees pitch. CHT is 260 front, 290 rear. EGT's are good,
after dropping my needle, moving around between 900 and 1100 degrees depending
on throttle position. I never revisit WOT after climb out, so I was kinda in
the dark as to my max RPM at level flight. I throttle back to 4750 RPM and this
gives me 'bout 50mph AIS, my comfy cruise speed. I'll give R. Smith a call
and see what his take is. My friends at the airpark say leave well enough alone.
But I think it has to do with my Kolb embarrassing their planes on climb out.
They all are running 503 DC/DI and none are showing CHT below 350. If my Rotax
manual didn't say 330 to 425 degrees, I'd be a happy camper. Even if there's
a little more power to be had at 6500 rpm. I feel my climb outs are safe.
I can hold it at 50 mph and I'm getting up in a hurry. -John
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Time: 05:50:36 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: EGT?
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
I just installed a new westach Dual egt gauge and one new sender. The plane originally
had 1 EGT gauge. I am using the existing sender since the old gauge is
a westach as well. Both( new and old) senders are working however I noticed after
shutdown that one gauge in the dual egt continued to read the temp at shutdown
and tapered off as the engine cooled and the other one stopped reading
right after shutdown.
Since these are non powered gauges is there something wrong? Also the new sender
is longer than the old one and it's head is shaped a little different.
Grant
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Time: 06:07:38 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MKIII crash today
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
I saw a news video and it showed the plane upside down at the base of a tree.
Did they go in at the top of the tree and tumble through?
What engine did they have?
Very sad indeed.
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Time: 09:57:15 AM PST US
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: MKIII crash today
At 09:07 AM 9/22/2008, grantr wrote:
>
>I saw a news video and it showed the plane upside down at the base of a
>tree. Did they go in at the top of the tree and tumble through?
>
>What engine did they have?
>
>Very sad indeed.
It looked they went in on a 45 degree angle from the treetop, then nosed
over. Whether they initially hit the treetop at that angle or came in at a
normal glide angle and then dropped after hitting the tree I can't say.
Engine was [I think] a 912, or perhaps a 914. Reason for the failure
unknown, possibly a fuel system problem.
-Dana
--
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 10:02:31 AM PST US
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: MKIII crash today
At 06:07 AM 9/22/08 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I saw a news video and it showed the plane upside down at the base of a
tree. Did they go in at the top of the tree and tumble through?
>
>What engine did they have?
>
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=350RB&cmndfind.x=0&cmndfind.y=0
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 01:01:51 PM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: 100LL use in rotax 503?
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
It seems lately ethanol free gas is becoming harder to find. The last 30 gallons
I have run through my 503 contained 10% ethanol according to the pump sticker.
I might be crazy but I swear I can tell the difference in smell between the
regular and ethanol blended gas.
Anyway I know rotax does not recommended ethanol at all over I think 5% and they
do allow use of av gas some of the time.
I have heard of some people using exclusively 100LL in 2 strokes with no problems.
Then I have heard that the lead will flat spot the bearing and cause deposits
in cylinder and foul the plugs more often.
So far so good with the E fuel but I still don't like it.
Is anyone using exclusively 100LL in a 2 stroke rotax?
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Time: 01:30:15 PM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Use of Facet fuel pumps as backup to pulse pump
From: "jb92563" <jb92563@yahoo.com>
Hmmmm....good point.
I however have a certified aircraft that specifies the pump be on for takeoff since
that is the most likely time a fuel supply failure will cause dire results....logic
being that no failure = no fire etc.
On another point I also have a brand new Facet pump and found it failed to pump
properly after 15 mins of proper use.
--------
Ray
Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
Moni MotorGlider
Schreder HP-11 Glider
Grob 109 Motorglider
Riverside County, CA
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________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 01:48:47 PM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 100LL use in rotax 503?
> I have heard of some people using exclusively 100LL in 2 strokes with no
problems. Then I have heard that the lead will flat spot the bearing and
cause deposits in cylinder and foul the plugs more often.
>
> So far so good with the E fuel but I still don't like it.
>
> Is anyone using exclusively 100LL in a 2 stroke rotax?
Grant R:
I used a lot of 100LL during my travels with old Firestar and point ign 447.
This was in the 1980's. I doubt there would be any difference now as then.
Hope 100LL doesn't flat spot bearings, because I burn an awful lot of it in
my 912ULS loaded with bearings.
I always ran my two strokes hard, as I do my 4 strokes. I cruised at 5,800
rpm, the recommended cruise power for all the current Rotax two strokes.
Sometimes, when I got closer to home after a long trip, I'd push it on up to
6200 rpm and let it rip.
I am a firm believer in running the engines as they were designed, not
babying them, but keeping them blown out and clean. 4 to 5 thousand rpm
hardly keeps a two stroke crankcase free from excess oil.
My thoughts only, for what they are worth.
john h
mkIII
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 02:00:40 PM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
John,
I don't have a problem babying my 503 on my Mk III she has to turn about 5700 to
6000 to cruise.:D
Did the spark plug last as long with the 100LL. How about combustion deposits and
carbon build up?
Thanks
Grant
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Time: 02:00:58 PM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 2008 Kolb Homecoming
From: "icrashrc" <icrashrc@AOL.COM>
Here's a few pics as well as a short video from the Homecoming. A big thank you
to all of our friends at Kolb for an outstanding weekend!
http://www.ill-eagleaviation.com/kolb_2008.htm
--------
Scott
www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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Time: 02:23:41 PM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
Grant R:
Probably leaves less carbon deposits, but some lead deposits.
Spark plugs are cheap. I would not skimp when it came to changing them out.
Usually, you can pull the plugs, use a small pin knife blade and a piece of
safety wire to clean the lead out of the plugs. I end up doing that
occasionally on the 912ULS on long cross country flights.
john h
mkIII
I don't have a problem babying my 503 on my Mk III she has to turn about
5700 to 6000 to cruise.:D
>
> Did the spark plug last as long with the 100LL. How about combustion
> deposits and carbon build up?
>
> Thanks
>
> Grant
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 02:29:02 PM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: 2008 Kolb Homecoming
Hi Gang:
The 2008 Kolb Homecoming has come and gone. My, the years are flying by.
Was great to see all my old friends again. Where else can you come together
once a year, spend a weekend with folks you met at the Homecoming in
previous years, have the same love of the same aircraft, eat enough for two
people, go to bed early and get up when you want to, and not spend a dime,
except for the money to get there and get back home.
Bruce Chaison, James Tripp and I had a good flight to Labhart Field. Even
though we had a headwind most of the way, we still had fun and got there in
time for the BBQ put on by Bryan Millborn (sp). The "cake lady" had two
scrumdiddlyumpscious cakes, just like last year.
All the food was great, three meals a day.
Entertainment was put on by my main man Travis Brown and his five string
banjo. He was accompanied by Eddy and her feller, and Howard Brandon. We
were also privileged to hear a little 9 year old girl sing a couple songs
for us.
The photos are:
a. Three intrepid flyers waiting for weather at Gantt International
Airport.
b. James Tripp heading for the Kolb Homecoming.
c. Approaching Wind Rock Mountain near Oak Ridge, TN.
d. Wind Generators at Wind Rock. For a size comparison, check the yellow
road grader left of the white building in the foreground.
john h
mkIII
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 04:53:26 PM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: EGT?
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
Maybe I didn't word that the best. The issue is I bought a new dual EGT gauge and
one new sender. I am using the old sender on the pto side and the new one on
the mag side. The new sender mag side reading continues to read say around
800 degrees and tapers off gradually over a few mins after engine shutdown. the
other sender pto side basically tapers off quickly after engine shutdown.
What is the gauge suppose to do normally? Slowly taper off or rather rapidly?
The only think I could thing off that would cause this is the sender touching the
exhaust pipe wall, however I am 95% sure thats not the case.
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Time: 04:56:14 PM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
Thanks John,
I only head that from one person regarding 100LL flat spotting bearing. I have
not seen that posted any where else.
Looks like I am going leaded [Wink]
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Time: 05:12:30 PM PST US
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
Not a reason to choose a fuel, but an interesting aside: When my friend's
MKIII crashed this weekend, the DEP was on the scene because all the fuel
leaked out of the plane into the ground, close to the river and to a
well. He was quite concerned if it was leaded aviation fuel (it
wasn't). Either way the pilot (or the pilot's insurance) will have to pay
to have the soil dug up and disposed of.
-Dana
--
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________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________
Time: 05:12:30 PM PST US
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: EGT probe location
According to the Cuyuna manual, the EGT probe should be 1.5" from the
exhaust gasket for the #1 cylinder. However, mine is located (by a
previous owner) at the intersection of the two pipes, about 6" from the
gasket(s). What I'd like to know is how much does that affect the
indicated temperatures?
I've jetted to keep the full throttle EGT at or below 1200F (Cuyuna
specifies 1200 as "best HP" and 1275 as max), and the plug color seems to
confirm I've got it right. When I slightly close the throttle so the
needle drops into the jet it rises slightly as I'm told it should, and it
runs quite a bit cooler at cruise. CHT is fine too, around 300. Haven't
had any engine problems except for the sudden stoppage a few months ago
which I now attribute to a bad carb float needle. It's a basic sensor, in
the EGT/tach 2" combo gauge. Relocating it is no big deal, but I'd rather
not do it until I have the exhaust off for some other reason anyway.
-Dana
--
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________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________
Time: 05:13:04 PM PST US
From: herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
If a bearing(ball or roller or needle) slides rather than
rolls,,,then there can be irregular wear.. Herb
At 06:56 PM 9/22/2008, you wrote:
>
>Thanks John,
>
>I only head that from one person regarding 100LL flat spotting
>bearing. I have not seen that posted any where else.
>
>Looks like I am going leaded [Wink]
>
>
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>
>
________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________
Time: 05:53:03 PM PST US
From: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@msbit.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41)
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>
> If a bearing(ball or roller or needle) slides rather than
> rolls,,,then there can be irregular wear.. Herb
Herb makes a good point...the same can be achieved by using too much
oil...just how much is too much is uncertain...wherein the oil
creates a hydrodynamic wedge that causes the ball/needle to slide
instead of roll.
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________
Time: 06:10:34 PM PST US
From: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
This is good information on bearings, but doesn't rolling element skidding
have more to do with minimum loading, bearing alignment, and lubricant
viscosity than lead additive in the fuel? Maybe I am missing something, I
usually do.
Steven
>
> X-SpamReason %%SpamReason%%:
>
> posted by: herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
>>
>> If a bearing(ball or roller or needle) slides rather than
>> rolls,,,then there can be irregular wear.. Herb
>
> Herb makes a good point...the same can be achieved by using too much
> oil...just how much is too much is uncertain...wherein the oil
> creates a hydrodynamic wedge that causes the ball/needle to slide
> instead of roll.
>
> Jim Baker
> 580.788.2779
> Elmore City, OK
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________
Time: 06:27:38 PM PST US
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EGT probe location
At 08:07 PM 9/22/08 -0400, you wrote:
>
>According to the Cuyuna manual, the EGT probe should be 1.5" from the
>exhaust gasket for the #1 cylinder. However, mine is located (by a
>previous owner) at the intersection of the two pipes, about 6" from the
>gasket(s). What I'd like to know is how much does that affect the
>indicated temperatures?
Dana,
I located a second EGT probe about six inches further along the pipe on the
Victor 1+. This EGT always reads higher that the one that is installed
closer to the engine. If the engine is running rich, the new EGT will read
as much as 125 degrees higher.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________
Time: 06:39:49 PM PST US
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EGT probe location
At 10:26 PM 9/22/2008, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>I located a second EGT probe about six inches further along the pipe on the
>Victor 1+. This EGT always reads higher that the one that is installed
>closer to the engine. If the engine is running rich, the new EGT will read
>as much as 125 degrees higher.
Makes sense, if fuel is still burning in the exhaust. How much higher does
it read if it's _not_ running rich?
-Dana
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________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________
Time: 06:41:49 PM PST US
From: possums <possums@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
At 08:10 PM 9/22/2008, you wrote:
>
>Not a reason to choose a fuel, but an interesting aside: When my
>friend's MKIII crashed this weekend, the DEP was on the scene
>because all the fuel leaked out of the plane into the ground, close
>to the river and to a well. He was quite concerned if it was leaded
>aviation fuel (it wasn't). Either way the pilot (or the pilot's
>insurance) will have to pay to have the soil dug up and disposed of.
>
>-Dana
Yeah, when I sunk mine in the lake, the Corp of Engineers were more
concerned about
wether or not I might still have fuel in my tank that could leak,
than just about
anything else. Like every boat & jet ski sloshing back & forth all
day long never spilled a drop.
________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________
Time: 08:08:27 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EGT probe location
From: "Jim Dunn" <jim@tru-cast.com>
I had a Cuyuna 430R on a Quicksilver MX until 2 years ago. It had the EGT
probe at the "Y" also. I relocated it to 2" from the piston, which may be
1.5" from the exhaust gasket. The temps came down quit a bit. I can't
remember how much, but probably 150-200 deg F. The EGT also became much
more responsive with power changes, choke, etc. If you haven't already,
you definitely need to relocate it. Where it is is better than no EGT,
but not by much.
Jim D.
N. Idaho
At 08:07 PM 9/22/08 -0400, you wrote:
>
>According to the Cuyuna manual, the EGT probe should be 1.5" from the
>exhaust gasket for the #1 cylinder. However, mine is located (by a
>previous owner) at the intersection of the two pipes, about 6" from the
>gasket(s). What I'd like to know is how much does that affect the
>indicated temperatures?
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
Bill
You're quite right about keeping the stick back to avoid a nose-over.
BUT with a headwind, if a strong gust on the nose hits you, you'll
be airborne instantly. If the stick is forward, a gust will simply
lift the tail
Also, with a strong tailwind and the stick back, the wind hits the
underside of the elevators and can cause a nose-over
Every situation is different but this is something to keep in mind.
Keeping the stick back all the time isn't good advice.
do not archive
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On Sep 28, 2008, at 1:34 PM, william sullivan wrote:
> How about we keep it as simple as possible for the beginners.
> Taxi speed equals walking speed.
> Another one that I did pick up from the List- Keep the stick
> back and apply power gently when starting to taxi, otherwise the
> Kolb might nose over.
>
> Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
At 06:55 PM 9/28/2008, russ kinne wrote:
>Bill
>You're quite right about keeping the stick back to avoid a nose-over. BUT
>with a headwind, if a strong gust on the nose hits you, you'll be
>airborne instantly. If the stick is forward, a gust will simply lift the tail
>Also, with a strong tailwind and the stick back, the wind hits the
>underside of the elevators and can cause a nose-over
>Every situation is different but this is something to keep in mind.
>Keeping the stick back all the time isn't good advice.
Crosswind taxi technique (really, not crosswind but any wind direction) and
where to hold the stick for the various directions is a basic technique,
taught to all students before solo... at least, before INTENTIONAL solos!
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
John, All these re:, RE:, SPAM re:, etc make conversations hard to follow
and sometimes they get updated in the darndest order. All I had was Bill's
how fast to taxi question at the time I responded. As for how much info Bill
did or didn't get on an orientation flight, his statement:"We (the students)
were given permission for slow taxiing" implies the instructor gave his
endorsement to the activity, does it not?
There is nothing in FAR 61.87 or 61.195 which allows an instructor to
release a student for solo taxiing. The student doesn't do anything in the
airplane solo until he/she is signed off for solo flight.
Rick On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 4:36 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>wrote:
> Bill S:
>
> Think you are getting the horse before the cart.
>
> Learn to fly with a competent instructor. Get a little air sense. Go
> through Ground School. Seems that would be a good thing to do since you are
> busted up at this time, and can probably handle the class room work. Learn
> the basic terminology of aviation, aircraft, and flying. That is the normal
> place to start. After you learn to fly, then you can get familiar with
> type.
>
> Nothing peculiar about Kolbs. They are little conventional three axis
> controlled aircraft. The differences between other models of GA and
> experimental/ultralight/SLA aircraft pertain to Kolbs as well.
>
> The Kolb List Archives are full of "incidents and mistakes by others",
> yours included.
>
> I think both hand deployed parachute saves are in the archives. If not,
> I'll share them with you the first time we meet.
>
> I am not trying to be critical of you. I am trying to get you to see
> "reality". If I am headed in the wrong direction, let me know and I'll go
> do my chores. ;-)
>
> Gravity is not prejudice. It affects me same as it does you. I too, have
> discovered several times, the earth is very hard.
>
> john h - 2,869.1 hours
> mkIII - 300.6 hours
>
>
> John-
>
> I am not looking to learn to fly here, except for peculiarities to Kolbs.
>
>
> I was trying to get you and others to give the lurkers some basics,
> especially pertaining to the Kolb types.
>
> I would like to hear of incidents and mistakes by others, so they can be
> averted.
>
> Also, how on earth did you manage to deploy that hand-held parachute?
> Tell more stories, please.
>
> Bill Sullivan
>
> * *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
Rick:
That's why I attempt to cut and paste referenced msg. Hopefully, I leave e
nough of the original msg so folks know what I am talking about.
john h
mkIII
John, All these re:, RE:, SPAM re:, etc make conversations hard to follow
and sometimes they get updated in the darndest order.
Rick
Think you are getting the horse before the cart.
john h - 2,869.1 hours
John-
I am not looking to learn to fly here, except for peculiarities
to Kolbs.
Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
At 07:12 PM 9/28/2008, Richard Girard wrote:
>There is nothing in FAR 61.87 or 61.195 which allows an instructor to
>release a student for solo taxiing. The student doesn't do anything in the
>airplane solo until he/she is signed off for solo flight.
Neither of which apply to Part 103 ultralights, which is what Bill
[accidentally] flew.
Still, I seem to recall (been a long time, I could be misremembering) my
instructor having me taxi the C-150 over to the fuel pumps alone before I
soloed, if the plane needed fuel and he had something to do before flying
with me.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: platypus hop |
Well, if nothing else, this sure has generated a lot of discussion!
"Crow hopping BAD!"
"Fast taxiing by non pilots BAD!"
A couple of weeks ago, one of the local pilots (used to fly a Flightstar
and hang gliders) was messing with his brand new new Northwing trike. We
wasn't ready to fly it yet (sound familiar?), but he was taxiing the trike
around, without the wing attached. Wasn't used to the backwards nosewheel
steering, got going too fast when [he said] the throttle jammed open. Ran
into a woodpile, broke the prop, and dislocated his shoulder.
"Crow hopping BAD!"
"Fast taxiing by non pilots BAD!"
-Dana
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Dana, As of January 31, 2007 the only legal way to train an ultralight
student is as a sport pilot student. An ultralight pilot is a sport pilot
signed off for solo. Feel free to actually do some research by calling the
Light Sport Branch before you fire off an uninformed opinion.
Rick
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
> At 07:12 PM 9/28/2008, Richard Girard wrote:
>
> There is nothing in FAR 61.87 or 61.195 which allows an instructor to
> release a student for solo taxiing. The student doesn't do anything in the
> airplane solo until he/she is signed off for solo flight.
>
> *
> *Neither of which apply to Part 103 ultralights, which is what Bill
> [accidentally] flew.
>
> Still, I seem to recall (been a long time, I could be misremembering) my
> instructor having me taxi the C-150 over to the fuel pumps alone before I
> soloed, if the plane needed fuel and he had something to do before flying
> with me.
>
> -Dana
> --
> The sex was so good that even the neighbors had a cigarette.
>
>
> *
>
>
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Skywaylodge, Forum users unsubscribe themselves.
Rick
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> 1. 04:29 AM - 447 Tuning (2danglico)
> 2. 05:50 AM - EGT? (grantr)
> 3. 06:07 AM - Re: MKIII crash today (grantr)
> 4. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: MKIII crash today (Dana Hague)
> 5. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: MKIII crash today (Jack B. Hart)
> 6. 01:01 PM - 100LL use in rotax 503? (grantr)
> 7. 01:30 PM - Re: Use of Facet fuel pumps as backup to pulse pump
> (jb92563)
> 8. 01:48 PM - Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (John Hauck)
> 9. 02:00 PM - Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (grantr)
> 10. 02:00 PM - Re: 2008 Kolb Homecoming (icrashrc)
> 11. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (John Hauck)
> 12. 02:29 PM - 2008 Kolb Homecoming (John Hauck)
> 13. 04:53 PM - Re: EGT? (grantr)
> 14. 04:56 PM - Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (grantr)
> 15. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (Dana Hague)
> 16. 05:12 PM - EGT probe location (Dana Hague)
> 17. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (herb)
> 18. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (Jim Baker)
> 19. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (Steven Green)
> 20. 06:27 PM - Re: EGT probe location (Jack B. Hart)
> 21. 06:39 PM - Re: EGT probe location (Dana Hague)
> 22. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (possums)
> 23. 08:08 PM - Re: EGT probe location (Jim Dunn)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:29:46 AM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: 447 Tuning
> From: "2danglico" <john.tempest@basf.com>
>
>
> Hey Guys,
> I appreciate the feedback. I've put a couple hours on her since my last
> post and
> noticed these things. Climb out rpm is 5800-6000, level flight is 6200.
> Prop
> is 66 inches and 30 degrees pitch. CHT is 260 front, 290 rear. EGT's are
> good,
> after dropping my needle, moving around between 900 and 1100 degrees
> depending
> on throttle position. I never revisit WOT after climb out, so I was kinda
> in
> the dark as to my max RPM at level flight. I throttle back to 4750 RPM and
> this
> gives me 'bout 50mph AIS, my comfy cruise speed. I'll give R. Smith a call
> and see what his take is. My friends at the airpark say leave well enough
> alone.
> But I think it has to do with my Kolb embarrassing their planes on climb
> out.
> They all are running 503 DC/DI and none are showing CHT below 350. If my
> Rotax
> manual didn't say 330 to 425 degrees, I'd be a happy camper. Even if
> there's
> a little more power to be had at 6500 rpm. I feel my climb outs are safe.
> I can hold it at 50 mph and I'm getting up in a hurry. -John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5466#205466
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:50:36 AM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: EGT?
> From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I just installed a new westach Dual egt gauge and one new sender. The plane
> originally
> had 1 EGT gauge. I am using the existing sender since the old gauge is
> a westach as well. Both( new and old) senders are working however I noticed
> after
> shutdown that one gauge in the dual egt continued to read the temp at
> shutdown
> and tapered off as the engine cooled and the other one stopped reading
> right after shutdown.
>
> Since these are non powered gauges is there something wrong? Also the new
> sender
> is longer than the old one and it's head is shaped a little different.
>
> Grant
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5477#205477
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:07:38 AM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MKIII crash today
> From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I saw a news video and it showed the plane upside down at the base of a
> tree.
> Did they go in at the top of the tree and tumble through?
>
> What engine did they have?
>
> Very sad indeed.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5479#205479
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:57:15 AM PST US
> From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: MKIII crash today
>
>
> At 09:07 AM 9/22/2008, grantr wrote:
> >
> >I saw a news video and it showed the plane upside down at the base of a
> >tree. Did they go in at the top of the tree and tumble through?
> >
> >What engine did they have?
> >
> >Very sad indeed.
>
> It looked they went in on a 45 degree angle from the treetop, then nosed
> over. Whether they initially hit the treetop at that angle or came in at a
>
> normal glide angle and then dropped after hitting the tree I can't say.
>
> Engine was [I think] a 912, or perhaps a 914. Reason for the failure
> unknown, possibly a fuel system problem.
>
> -Dana
> --
> Friends help you move. *Real* friends help you move bodies.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:02:31 AM PST US
> From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: MKIII crash today
>
>
> At 06:07 AM 9/22/08 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >I saw a news video and it showed the plane upside down at the base of a
> tree. Did they go in at the top of the tree and tumble through?
> >
> >What engine did they have?
> >
>
>
> http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=350RB&cmndfind.x=0&cmndfind.y=0
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:01:51 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: 100LL use in rotax 503?
> From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
>
>
> It seems lately ethanol free gas is becoming harder to find. The last 30
> gallons
> I have run through my 503 contained 10% ethanol according to the pump
> sticker.
> I might be crazy but I swear I can tell the difference in smell between the
>
> regular and ethanol blended gas.
>
> Anyway I know rotax does not recommended ethanol at all over I think 5% and
> they
> do allow use of av gas some of the time.
>
> I have heard of some people using exclusively 100LL in 2 strokes with no
> problems.
> Then I have heard that the lead will flat spot the bearing and cause
> deposits
> in cylinder and foul the plugs more often.
>
> So far so good with the E fuel but I still don't like it.
>
> Is anyone using exclusively 100LL in a 2 stroke rotax?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5554#205554
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:30:15 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Use of Facet fuel pumps as backup to pulse pump
> From: "jb92563" <jb92563@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hmmmm....good point.
>
> I however have a certified aircraft that specifies the pump be on for
> takeoff since
> that is the most likely time a fuel supply failure will cause dire
> results....logic
> being that no failure = no fire etc.
>
> On another point I also have a brand new Facet pump and found it failed to
> pump
> properly after 15 mins of proper use.
>
> --------
> Ray
>
> Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
> Moni MotorGlider
> Schreder HP-11 Glider
> Grob 109 Motorglider
> Riverside County, CA
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5558#205558
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:48:47 PM PST US
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 100LL use in rotax 503?
>
>
> > I have heard of some people using exclusively 100LL in 2 strokes with no
> problems. Then I have heard that the lead will flat spot the bearing and
> cause deposits in cylinder and foul the plugs more often.
> >
> > So far so good with the E fuel but I still don't like it.
> >
> > Is anyone using exclusively 100LL in a 2 stroke rotax?
>
>
> Grant R:
>
> I used a lot of 100LL during my travels with old Firestar and point ign
> 447.
> This was in the 1980's. I doubt there would be any difference now as then.
>
> Hope 100LL doesn't flat spot bearings, because I burn an awful lot of it in
>
> my 912ULS loaded with bearings.
>
> I always ran my two strokes hard, as I do my 4 strokes. I cruised at 5,800
>
> rpm, the recommended cruise power for all the current Rotax two strokes.
> Sometimes, when I got closer to home after a long trip, I'd push it on up
> to
> 6200 rpm and let it rip.
>
> I am a firm believer in running the engines as they were designed, not
> babying them, but keeping them blown out and clean. 4 to 5 thousand rpm
> hardly keeps a two stroke crankcase free from excess oil.
>
> My thoughts only, for what they are worth.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:00:40 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
> From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
>
>
> John,
>
> I don't have a problem babying my 503 on my Mk III she has to turn about
> 5700 to
> 6000 to cruise.:D
>
> Did the spark plug last as long with the 100LL. How about combustion
> deposits and
> carbon build up?
>
> Thanks
>
> Grant
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5566#205566
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:00:58 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 2008 Kolb Homecoming
> From: "icrashrc" <icrashrc@AOL.COM>
>
>
> Here's a few pics as well as a short video from the Homecoming. A big thank
> you
> to all of our friends at Kolb for an outstanding weekend!
>
> http://www.ill-eagleaviation.com/kolb_2008.htm
>
> --------
> Scott
>
> www.ill-EagleAviation.com
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5567#205567
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:23:41 PM PST US
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
>
>
> Grant R:
>
> Probably leaves less carbon deposits, but some lead deposits.
>
> Spark plugs are cheap. I would not skimp when it came to changing them
> out.
> Usually, you can pull the plugs, use a small pin knife blade and a piece of
>
> safety wire to clean the lead out of the plugs. I end up doing that
> occasionally on the 912ULS on long cross country flights.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> I don't have a problem babying my 503 on my Mk III she has to turn about
> 5700 to 6000 to cruise.:D
> >
> > Did the spark plug last as long with the 100LL. How about combustion
> > deposits and carbon build up?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Grant
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:29:02 PM PST US
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: 2008 Kolb Homecoming
>
> Hi Gang:
>
> The 2008 Kolb Homecoming has come and gone. My, the years are flying by.
>
> Was great to see all my old friends again. Where else can you come
> together
> once a year, spend a weekend with folks you met at the Homecoming in
> previous years, have the same love of the same aircraft, eat enough for two
>
> people, go to bed early and get up when you want to, and not spend a dime,
> except for the money to get there and get back home.
>
> Bruce Chaison, James Tripp and I had a good flight to Labhart Field. Even
> though we had a headwind most of the way, we still had fun and got there in
>
> time for the BBQ put on by Bryan Millborn (sp). The "cake lady" had two
> scrumdiddlyumpscious cakes, just like last year.
>
> All the food was great, three meals a day.
>
> Entertainment was put on by my main man Travis Brown and his five string
> banjo. He was accompanied by Eddy and her feller, and Howard Brandon. We
> were also privileged to hear a little 9 year old girl sing a couple songs
> for us.
>
> The photos are:
>
> a. Three intrepid flyers waiting for weather at Gantt International
> Airport.
>
> b. James Tripp heading for the Kolb Homecoming.
>
> c. Approaching Wind Rock Mountain near Oak Ridge, TN.
>
> d. Wind Generators at Wind Rock. For a size comparison, check the yellow
> road grader left of the white building in the foreground.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:53:26 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: EGT?
> From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Maybe I didn't word that the best. The issue is I bought a new dual EGT
> gauge and
> one new sender. I am using the old sender on the pto side and the new one
> on
> the mag side. The new sender mag side reading continues to read say around
>
> 800 degrees and tapers off gradually over a few mins after engine shutdown.
> the
> other sender pto side basically tapers off quickly after engine shutdown.
>
> What is the gauge suppose to do normally? Slowly taper off or rather
> rapidly?
>
> The only think I could thing off that would cause this is the sender
> touching the
> exhaust pipe wall, however I am 95% sure thats not the case.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5592#205592
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:56:14 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
> From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Thanks John,
>
> I only head that from one person regarding 100LL flat spotting bearing. I
> have
> not seen that posted any where else.
>
> Looks like I am going leaded [Wink]
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5593#205593
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:12:30 PM PST US
> From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
>
>
> Not a reason to choose a fuel, but an interesting aside: When my friend's
> MKIII crashed this weekend, the DEP was on the scene because all the fuel
> leaked out of the plane into the ground, close to the river and to a
> well. He was quite concerned if it was leaded aviation fuel (it
> wasn't). Either way the pilot (or the pilot's insurance) will have to pay
> to have the soil dug up and disposed of.
>
> -Dana
> --
> Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:12:30 PM PST US
> From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: EGT probe location
>
>
> According to the Cuyuna manual, the EGT probe should be 1.5" from the
> exhaust gasket for the #1 cylinder. However, mine is located (by a
> previous owner) at the intersection of the two pipes, about 6" from the
> gasket(s). What I'd like to know is how much does that affect the
> indicated temperatures?
>
> I've jetted to keep the full throttle EGT at or below 1200F (Cuyuna
> specifies 1200 as "best HP" and 1275 as max), and the plug color seems to
> confirm I've got it right. When I slightly close the throttle so the
> needle drops into the jet it rises slightly as I'm told it should, and it
> runs quite a bit cooler at cruise. CHT is fine too, around 300. Haven't
> had any engine problems except for the sudden stoppage a few months ago
> which I now attribute to a bad carb float needle. It's a basic sensor, in
> the EGT/tach 2" combo gauge. Relocating it is no big deal, but I'd rather
> not do it until I have the exhaust off for some other reason anyway.
>
> -Dana
> --
> Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 17
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:13:04 PM PST US
> From: herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
>
>
> If a bearing(ball or roller or needle) slides rather than
> rolls,,,then there can be irregular wear.. Herb
>
> At 06:56 PM 9/22/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >Thanks John,
> >
> >I only head that from one person regarding 100LL flat spotting
> >bearing. I have not seen that posted any where else.
> >
> >Looks like I am going leaded [Wink]
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5593#205593
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 18
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:53:03 PM PST US
> From: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@msbit.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41)
>
>
> X-SpamReason %%SpamReason%%:
>
> posted by: herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
> >
> > If a bearing(ball or roller or needle) slides rather than
> > rolls,,,then there can be irregular wear.. Herb
>
> Herb makes a good point...the same can be achieved by using too much
> oil...just how much is too much is uncertain...wherein the oil
> creates a hydrodynamic wedge that causes the ball/needle to slide
> instead of roll.
>
> Jim Baker
> 580.788.2779
> Elmore City, OK
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 19
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:10:34 PM PST US
> From: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
>
>
> This is good information on bearings, but doesn't rolling element skidding
> have more to do with minimum loading, bearing alignment, and lubricant
> viscosity than lead additive in the fuel? Maybe I am missing something, I
> usually do.
>
> Steven
>
> >
> > X-SpamReason %%SpamReason%%:
> >
> > posted by: herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
> >>
> >> If a bearing(ball or roller or needle) slides rather than
> >> rolls,,,then there can be irregular wear.. Herb
> >
> > Herb makes a good point...the same can be achieved by using too much
> > oil...just how much is too much is uncertain...wherein the oil
> > creates a hydrodynamic wedge that causes the ball/needle to slide
> > instead of roll.
> >
> > Jim Baker
> > 580.788.2779
> > Elmore City, OK
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 20
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:27:38 PM PST US
> From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EGT probe location
>
>
> At 08:07 PM 9/22/08 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >According to the Cuyuna manual, the EGT probe should be 1.5" from the
> >exhaust gasket for the #1 cylinder. However, mine is located (by a
> >previous owner) at the intersection of the two pipes, about 6" from the
> >gasket(s). What I'd like to know is how much does that affect the
> >indicated temperatures?
>
> Dana,
>
> I located a second EGT probe about six inches further along the pipe on the
>
> Victor 1+. This EGT always reads higher that the one that is installed
> closer to the engine. If the engine is running rich, the new EGT will read
>
> as much as 125 degrees higher.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 21
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:39:49 PM PST US
> From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EGT probe location
>
>
> At 10:26 PM 9/22/2008, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>
> >I located a second EGT probe about six inches further along the pipe on
> the
> >Victor 1+. This EGT always reads higher that the one that is installed
> >closer to the engine. If the engine is running rich, the new EGT will
> read
> >as much as 125 degrees higher.
>
> Makes sense, if fuel is still burning in the exhaust. How much higher does
>
> it read if it's _not_ running rich?
>
> -Dana
>
>
> --
> In America, anyone can become president. That's one of the risks you take.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 22
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:41:49 PM PST US
> From: possums <possums@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
>
> At 08:10 PM 9/22/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >Not a reason to choose a fuel, but an interesting aside: When my
> >friend's MKIII crashed this weekend, the DEP was on the scene
> >because all the fuel leaked out of the plane into the ground, close
> >to the river and to a well. He was quite concerned if it was leaded
> >aviation fuel (it wasn't). Either way the pilot (or the pilot's
> >insurance) will have to pay to have the soil dug up and disposed of.
> >
> >-Dana
>
> Yeah, when I sunk mine in the lake, the Corp of Engineers were more
> concerned about
> wether or not I might still have fuel in my tank that could leak,
> than just about
> anything else. Like every boat & jet ski sloshing back & forth all
> day long never spilled a drop.
>
> ________________________________ Message 23
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:08:27 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EGT probe location
> From: "Jim Dunn" <jim@tru-cast.com>
>
>
> I had a Cuyuna 430R on a Quicksilver MX until 2 years ago. It had the EGT
> probe at the "Y" also. I relocated it to 2" from the piston, which may be
> 1.5" from the exhaust gasket. The temps came down quit a bit. I can't
> remember how much, but probably 150-200 deg F. The EGT also became much
> more responsive with power changes, choke, etc. If you haven't already,
> you definitely need to relocate it. Where it is is better than no EGT,
> but not by much.
>
> Jim D.
> N. Idaho
>
>
> At 08:07 PM 9/22/08 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >According to the Cuyuna manual, the EGT probe should be 1.5" from the
> >exhaust gasket for the #1 cylinder. However, mine is located (by a
> >previous owner) at the intersection of the two pipes, about 6" from the
> >gasket(s). What I'd like to know is how much does that affect the
> >indicated temperatures?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: platypus hop |
Speaking of Flightstars..... my neighbor who had the idle problem
with his dual carb 503 got it running well
again, thanks to good advice from a couple of youz guyz, which I
printed out and gave to him.
Last evening, before sunset, nice and calm and I was burning trash
(adding to global warming, pollution,
and a generally awful stench) and I hear a weedeater approaching.
Yep, pretty little single place flightstar
with the light shining through those wing socks. Looked nice, made
me feel good.
He's an old guy, maybe John H's age ...heh heh But still manages to
aviate.
BB
On 28, Sep 2008, at 7:30 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
>
> Well, if nothing else, this sure has generated a lot of discussion!
>
> "Crow hopping BAD!"
>
> "Fast taxiing by non pilots BAD!"
>
> A couple of weeks ago, one of the local pilots (used to fly a
> Flightstar and hang gliders) was messing with his brand new new
> Northwing trike. We wasn't ready to fly it yet (sound familiar?),
> but he was taxiing the trike around, without the wing attached.
> Wasn't used to the backwards nosewheel steering, got going too fast
> when [he said] the throttle jammed open. Ran into a woodpile,
> broke the prop, and dislocated his shoulder.
>
> "Crow hopping BAD!"
>
> "Fast taxiing by non pilots BAD!"
>
> -Dana
> --
> The sex was so good that even the neighbors had a cigarette.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
At 07:52 PM 9/28/2008, Richard Girard wrote:
>Dana, As of January 31, 2007 the only legal way to train an ultralight
>student is as a sport pilot student. An ultralight pilot is a sport pilot
>signed off for solo. Feel free to actually do some research by calling the
>Light Sport Branch before you fire off an uninformed opinion.
Rick, my point was that while the only legal way to properly train an
ultralight pilot is as a sport pilot student, there is nothing in the
regulations that prevents an untrained pilot (or non pilot!) from taxiing,
or even flying (if it doesn't create a hazard to others), a Part 103 legal
ultralight. "Feel free to actually do some research by calling the Light
Sport Branch before you fire off an uninformed opinion."
-Dana
--
Never write device drivers on acid.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: Platypus hop |
Yes, I'm assuming one would be smart enough to get training, but there are
few laws against personal stupidity.
Rick
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> At 07:52 PM 9/28/2008, Richard Girard wrote:
>
>> Dana, As of January 31, 2007 the only legal way to train an ultralight
>> student is as a sport pilot student. An ultralight pilot is a sport pilot
>> signed off for solo. Feel free to actually do some research by calling the
>> Light Sport Branch before you fire off an uninformed opinion.
>>
>
> Rick, my point was that while the only legal way to properly train an
> ultralight pilot is as a sport pilot student, there is nothing in the
> regulations that prevents an untrained pilot (or non pilot!) from taxiing,
> or even flying (if it doesn't create a hazard to others), a Part 103 legal
> ultralight. "Feel free to actually do some research by calling the Light
> Sport Branch before you fire off an uninformed opinion."
>
> -Dana
> --
> Never write device drivers on acid.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 447 tuning tips |
Sorry Richard,
Thought we were talking about a adjustable prop.I set my IVO for 6200rpm
climb out @WOT which gave my FS 65mph indicated @ 5500-5700 rpm cruise.Then
jetted it for 1100 degrees@ cruise power setting.The first 120 hrs it ran on 100LL.It
was oil injected.At 25 hrs on the plugs, light tan with large white lead
bloom on the ground tip.Head temps were seldom above 300 degrees, only on long
steep climbs.When I switched to 87 no lead ,nothing changed except the EGT's.They
ran 50 degrees higher on no lead. so I moved the clip up 1 groove on the
needles.I use both fuels on long cross country flights and had on problems
with this for the 600+ hours I put on that 503 before it was sold. I can't tell
you what kind of manifold pressure I put on that engine,but it required less
than an inch of cable to be pulled out of the housing at cruise.My opologies
to the Rotax manual.
----- Original Message ----
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:35:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 tuning tips
With all deference to the ideas of Mr. Aman, they are contrary to what Rotax recommends.
Your prop is over pitched and you can chase jetting until the cows come
home, it'll never come right until the prop is right for the engine.
>From Rotax Service Information document 3UL-89E (available from R.O.A.N.)
Attention:
If you wish to run your aircraft for noise reasons or other intentions constantly
at
reduced engine r.p.m. (limited throttle lever command or carburetor slide opening),
you neverthelee have to chose the propeller by testing at the full throttle r.p.m.
(fully
open carburetor).
>From Rotax Installation Manual pg 21-1
"....properly loaded with matched propeller for Max RPM (emphasis mine)
The RPM you are getting is about right for climb out or max RPM when sitting still
on the ground, but it is low for WOT. Do you have a friend with a prop you
could borrow to test?
Rick
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 4:34 PM, 2danglico <john.tempest@basf.com> wrote:
Rick,
That's in the air. I've a wood prop so I can't adjust the pitch. -John
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4983#204983
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| Subject: | Re: 447 tuning tips |
Gary, Why apologize for doing exactly what Rotax recommends? This is exactly
what needs to be done in exactly the right order of doing it. Perhaps we
were just talking to the same starting point from a different ending. In the
case of the engine under consideration, the prop is over pitched and only
gets 5800 RPM at WOT on climb out. Until it's set up as yours is, adjusting
the jetting will be a wild goose chase at best.
Rick
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 8:47 PM, gary aman <gaman@att.net> wrote:
> Sorry Richard,
> Thought we were talking about a adjustable prop.I set my IVO for
> 6200rpm climb out @WOT which gave my FS 65mph indicated @ 5500-5700 rpm
> cruise.Then jetted it for 1100 degrees@ cruise power setting.The first 120
> hrs it ran on 100LL.It was oil injected.At 25 hrs on the plugs, light tan
> with large white lead bloom on the ground tip.Head temps were seldom above
> 300 degrees, only on long steep climbs.When I switched to 87 no lead
> ,nothing changed except the EGT's.They ran 50 degrees higher on no lead. so
> I moved the clip up 1 groove on the needles.I use both fuels on long cross
> country flights and had on problems with this for the 600+ hours I put on
> that 503 before it was sold. I can't tell you what kind of manifold pressure
> I put on that engine,but it required less than an inch of cable to be pulled
> out of the housing at cruise.My opologies to the Rotax manual.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:35:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 tuning tips
>
> With all deference to the ideas of Mr. Aman, they are contrary to what
> Rotax recommends. Your prop is over pitched and you can chase jetting until
> the cows come home, it'll never come right until the prop is right for the
> engine. >From Rotax Service Information document 3UL-89E (available from
> R.O.A.N.)
>
> Attention:
> If you wish to run your aircraft for noise reasons or other intentions
> constantly at
> reduced engine r.p.m. (limited throttle lever command or carburetor slide
> opening),
> you neverthelee have to chose the propeller by testing at the full throttle
> r.p.m. (fully
> open carburetor).
>
> From Rotax Installation Manual pg 21-1
>
> "....properly loaded with matched propeller for Max RPM (emphasis mine)
>
> The RPM you are getting is about right for climb out or max RPM when
> sitting still on the ground, but it is low for WOT. Do you have a friend
> with a prop you could borrow to test?
>
> Rick
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 4:34 PM, 2danglico <john.tempest@basf.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Rick,
>> That's in the air. I've a wood prop so I can't adjust the pitch. -John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4983#204983
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 447 tuning tips |
Gary, Darn it, hit the send button too early. The other problem with having
low WOT RPM is the horsepower loss. The top of the 447's power curve is
pretty flat from 6200 to 6600 RPM. At 5800 the engine is down 7 to 10%.
That's a pretty good reason for getting the prop set up right, too.
Rick
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gary, Why apologize for doing exactly what Rotax recommends? This is
> exactly what needs to be done in exactly the right order of doing it.
> Perhaps we were just talking to the same starting point from a different
> ending. In the case of the engine under consideration, the prop is over
> pitched and only gets 5800 RPM at WOT on climb out. Until it's set up as
> yours is, adjusting the jetting will be a wild goose chase at best.
> Rick
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 8:47 PM, gary aman <gaman@att.net> wrote:
>
>> Sorry Richard,
>> Thought we were talking about a adjustable prop.I set my IVO for
>> 6200rpm climb out @WOT which gave my FS 65mph indicated @ 5500-5700 rpm
>> cruise.Then jetted it for 1100 degrees@ cruise power setting.The first
>> 120 hrs it ran on 100LL.It was oil injected.At 25 hrs on the plugs, light
>> tan with large white lead bloom on the ground tip.Head temps were seldom
>> above 300 degrees, only on long steep climbs.When I switched to 87 no lead
>> ,nothing changed except the EGT's.They ran 50 degrees higher on no lead. so
>> I moved the clip up 1 groove on the needles.I use both fuels on long cross
>> country flights and had on problems with this for the 600+ hours I put on
>> that 503 before it was sold. I can't tell you what kind of manifold pressure
>> I put on that engine,but it required less than an inch of cable to be pulled
>> out of the housing at cruise.My opologies to the Rotax manual.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:35:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 tuning tips
>>
>> With all deference to the ideas of Mr. Aman, they are contrary to what
>> Rotax recommends. Your prop is over pitched and you can chase jetting until
>> the cows come home, it'll never come right until the prop is right for the
>> engine. >From Rotax Service Information document 3UL-89E (available from
>> R.O.A.N.)
>>
>> Attention:
>> If you wish to run your aircraft for noise reasons or other intentions
>> constantly at
>> reduced engine r.p.m. (limited throttle lever command or carburetor slide
>> opening),
>> you neverthelee have to chose the propeller by testing at the full
>> throttle r.p.m. (fully
>> open carburetor).
>>
>> From Rotax Installation Manual pg 21-1
>>
>> "....properly loaded with matched propeller for Max RPM (emphasis mine)
>>
>> The RPM you are getting is about right for climb out or max RPM when
>> sitting still on the ground, but it is low for WOT. Do you have a friend
>> with a prop you could borrow to test?
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 4:34 PM, 2danglico <john.tempest@basf.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Rick,
>>> That's in the air. I've a wood prop so I can't adjust the pitch. -John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4983#204983
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
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