---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/07/08: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:23 AM - Re: Dealing with unfriendly airport mgrs. (Dave Rains) 2. 06:20 AM - Re: Dealing with unfriendly airport mgrs. (robert bean) 3. 06:43 AM - Re: Dealing with unfriendly airport mgrs. (N111KX (Kip)) 4. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: IFR Conditions unexpectedly (gary aman) 5. 09:55 AM - Re: landing gear () 6. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: IFR Conditions unexpectedly (Eugene Zimmerman) 7. 10:16 AM - Re: Airport Attitudes (Dana Hague) 8. 10:51 AM - kolb for sale on Hawaii Island/ complete or parts (Tobi Hoff) 9. 01:28 PM - Re: Airport Attitudes (pj.ladd) 10. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: Airport Attitudes (pj.ladd) 11. 02:13 PM - safety (russ kinne) 12. 02:14 PM - Re: Dealing with unfriendly airport mgrs. (pj.ladd) 13. 03:06 PM - Kolb List: safety (william sullivan) 14. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: Airport Attitudes (Dana Hague) 15. 04:46 PM - Re: Dealing with unfriendly airport mgrs. (robert bean) 16. 05:20 PM - Re: Airport Attitudes (N111KX (Kip)) 17. 05:55 PM - Flyin Photos (gliderx5@comcast.net) 18. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: Airport Attitudes (Jack B. Hart) 19. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Airport Attitudes (Dana Hague) 20. 07:07 PM - Re: Flyin Photos (possums) 21. 07:16 PM - Re: Check your carb floats!! (possums) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:56 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Dealing with unfriendly airport mgrs. From: "Dave Rains" And just so you know, Will was holding a steady hover and doing pedal turns after about 5 minutes of training, NO JOKE! The FireStar is sure cheaper to operate though. [Shocked] Dave -------- Dave Rains N8086T Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7742#207742 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:21 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dealing with unfriendly airport mgrs. Don't go hovering that thing over any fireflys.... On 7, Oct 2008, at 12:20 AM, WillUribe@aol.com wrote: > Greetings, > > Speaking of Alamogordo I started my rotorcraft training last week > in this R22. http://video.google.com/videoplay? > docid=757447603898244807&hl=en > > Dave finally hovered his Mosquito helicopter last week. > > > > Regards, > Will Uribe > FireStar II N4GU > El Paso, TX > Will's web page > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rains > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:57 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Dealing with unfriendly airport mgrs. > > > Good for you Arty! That is the mature way to handle a situation > like this. However it just doesn't have the same satisfaction as > punching his lights out. [Rolling Eyes] > > Will and I ran into a similar thing near home. At Alamogordo NM, > there is but one FBO. When we needed fuel for the FireStars, he > said "it's not worth my time". Later I dropped in flying my Cessna > and he asked if I needed fuel, I of course replied, "your not worth > my time". > Hope to see the gang at Monument Valley next spring. > Dave Rains > > -------- > Dave Rains > N8086T > > > New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:22 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Dealing with unfriendly airport mgrs. From: "N111KX (Kip)" So, Will. Are you going to get a Mosquito next? Afetr the Waiex is done, then the Quickie gets restored, I want a Mosquito:) Kip WillUribe(at)aol.com wrote: > Greetings, > > Speaking of Alamogordo I started my rotorcraft training last week in this R22. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=757447603898244807&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=757447603898244807&hl=en) > > Dave finally hovered his Mosquito helicopter last week. > > > > Regards, > Will Uribe > FireStar II N4GU > El Paso, TX > Will's web page (http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/) > > > > -- -------- Kip Firestar II, N111KX Waiex, N111YX Quickie 1, N111QX Atlanta Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7755#207755 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:20 AM PST US From: gary aman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: IFR Conditions unexpectedly Richard, I've found the weather briefer to be a lot more reliable now that he has an office with a window in it. do not archive ----- Original Message ---- From: Richard Girard Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 7:01:13 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: IFR Conditions unexpectedly Arty, MIke, all, I've been suckered by a briefer's probably rating of the day's weather. I only use them occasionally now and one of several inputs to my fly/no fly decision on the weather. If the briefer says probably, take it as probably not. Arty, I spent too many days sitting on take off at Oceanside to ever forget that when the dew point and temperature coincide the flying is over for the day. That was what you experienced from the air, I think I liked it better from the ground. Besides the Deli sold great sandwiches and the beer was cold. I took a good look at JFK Jr's accident. From what I make of it he had a bad case of intermediate syndrome with a touch of getthereitis in an area that was known for that weather phenomenon. So on the weather issue I stand with the clouds, fog, haze, thunderstorms do not spring out of hiding group. The information is there for you evaluate before you fly. Let's get on with the real issue. If you had an EFIS would you be proficient and disciplined enough to use it, or would it just make those last 178 seconds even more mystifying. They're great, but taking the time to evaluate as many of the weather services available to you to get as clear a picture of the weather as you can before flying is a whole lot more reliable ounce of prevention than an EFIS pound of cure. It's also a ton cheaper. Rick On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:07 AM, TheWanderingWench wrote: Rick Girard asked "How exactly does one find themselves in clouds? It's not like they can hide and suddenly spring out of thin air."" I always had the same assumption - and was disabused during a September flight on the Oregon coast. It was a grey day: there was haze and a very high overcast and at least 5-8 miles visibility- nothing I'd identify as a problem at the 1000' altitude we were flying at. As I flew, suddenly the haze grew denser and thicker. And when I say "suddenly" I mean SUDDENLY. My flying partner and I both dove down (Happily we were over fields) and then turned around and flew back to the airstrip we'd just left. Dave said that often on grey days, it's hard to discern fog until you are almost in it. The greyness just seems to thicken around you, and you're "in clouds". Not white billowing cumulus clouds - just dense pea soup. Arty Trost Maxair Drifter Sandy, OR www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Richard Girard wrote: From: Richard Girard Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: IFR Conditions unexpectedly Mike, How exactly does one suddenly find themselves in the clouds? It's not like they can hide and suddenly spring out of thin air (pardon the pun) with a big gotcha. While putting an EFIS in may be worth the instrumentation since you do get a lot of read out in a small package. It will almost surely give a false sense of security to some idiot whose 178 seconds will soon be up. Rick On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Mike Welch wrote: Lucien, I don't think you're a wet blanket, but I don't think you read my suggestion properly, either! I DID'T say a Kolb would make a suitable IFR plane. I said IF Mike B. 's ONLY reason for selling his plane was that he didn't want to inadvertantly find himself in a cloud, then an EFIS unit may be a good choice to see his way out of it. I even mentioned we, as the VFR crowd, have NO business being in clouds! You completely misunderstood everything I said regarding IFR conditions. I wasn't suggesting we engage in IFR flight. In fact, I just sold my Cessna 172, which was IFR rated, but I'D NEVER do that. It's just not my flight interests. I'm not trying to be rude, but you should read what a person says prior to condemning their comments. Again, the ONLY point I was trying to make was " IF " he found himself ACCIDENTLY in a cloud, an EFIS unit can be a good way to get out fast!! Now, what wrong with that?? Mike Welch VFR MkIII CX PS. The reason I'm installing a Dynon D10A in my MkIII has NOTHING to do with IFR flight. I am only interested in the "flight parameters", airspeed, altitude, etc. You're right. If anyone wants IFR flight, they should consider factory iron (only). But, that didn't have anything to do with what I was talking about.. >>Er, don't mean to be a wet blanket here, but.... >>I wouldn't bother. A Kolb would make a truly lousy IFR platform - in >>fact, I can't think of anything in the 912 class that would work >>very well at all for IFR flight. >> >>Truth is, I wouldn't take anything in the 912 class into actual >>period, even if it were IFR cert and I were instrument rated. Even >>my titan which is a straight and responsive flyer would be zero fun flying IFR. >> >>You want something big and stable for IFR, particularly if you plan >>on flying in actual (talk about ROUGH and WET conditions), with carb >>heat and pitot heat at least....... >> >>My advice if you need something for flying in IMC would be a good >>spam can - even the mightly 172 works very well as an IFR platform. >>They're cheap nowadays too due to the high gas prices.... >> >>LS >> >>-------- >>LS >>Titan II SS _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn "10 hidden secrets" from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:06 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: landing gear I use to have tension wires holding the axles from spreading too far on my drop in landings. Now that I have a set of VG's installed (52ea), I land softly and now have removed the tension wires. Have had a couple bites on the sale of my Mark III Classic which I really hate to sell. Anyway, I guess my price of $25,000 with trailer is too high. Seems to me to be an extremely fair price, but market is market. May have to let it go for less due to my health problems. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:01 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: IFR Conditions unexpectedly On Oct 6, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Mike Welch wrote: > The photo of > Stanley's (Possum's) panel looks just like it does, inside a cloud > or not. Yeah, especially the airspeed just before impact . ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:16 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airport Attitudes At 06:05 AM 10/4/2008, pj.ladd wrote: >What an idiot. Flying in the immediate vicinity of an airfield circuit is >stupid enough but to fly down the runway...... >Does this guy think he is the only person in the air? > >It is selfish people like this that get light aircraft flying a bad name, >and cause accidents. Would he have heard or seen someone trying to land >behind him. Would the other pilot have been expecting someone dangling at >50 feet over the runway?. What a twit. Not necessarily. If he was flying the traffic pattern for a low approach, no problem there if the airport doesn't have a lot of fast traffic. Most of my own PPG flying has been from an active GA airport. In the PPG's we keep aware of and avoid the GA traffic pattern, and never had any trouble. -Dana -- Can a Cessna 150 truly "slip the surly bonds of Earth"? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:21 AM PST US From: "Tobi Hoff" Subject: Kolb-List: kolb for sale on Hawaii Island/ complete or parts Aloha Kolb aviators, A number of months ago I finished installing a brand new 582 and all new electric, cooling, and kolb mounting hardware on a very nice MKIII formerly owned by Bill George ( he had mounted a werner on the machine, it did not work well ) The plane was built by Terry Wells, on Kauai. Anyway, I put all of this together for a friend who was wanting a machine for getting his fixed wing rating (we are trike people ) He has since decided that he is no longer interested in the rating so I'm stuck with about 11,000 bucks into this thing so I'm willing to sell all of the stuff I put into it or the plane is for sale complete or the airframe can be purchased with the fully enclosed trailer/hangar. The motor has been broken in and has flown about 3 hrs the airframe has about 200hrs on it and has always been stored in a hangar if interested in all or part of this very nice MKIII drop me a line. Jeffery Hoff ...superdog111@msn.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:28:32 PM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airport Attitudes Not necessarily. If he was flying the traffic pattern for a low approach, \.. \hi, \What is it with these guys?. The whole point of having a motorised parachute is that you do not have to operate from an airfield. You can take off and land into any small pasture. I thought that was one of the main attractions of the sport,. Most of the people I know do not operate their microlights, ultrlights whatever from airfields they fly from farm strips etc with the object of staying away from controlled airspace, landing patterns etc . How much more so the paramotor brigade who dont even need a large field. They may have the right to fly there but why should they want to.? If they want a cup of coffee from ther clubhouse they can land on the door step with out messing up a landing pattern of aircraft going considerable faster than they ar Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:44 PM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Airport Attitudes Aren't pilots allowed to stay in the pattern and do touch and go's at small airports in the UK?>> Hi Dennis, yeah, sure. What we dont have, or more accurately not until a couple of months ago is anything like your Unicom. I suspect also that you have many more less used airfields than we do. Unless you landed at a farm or private strip you would probably find something going on. Even at a small field I would imaging that you would announce, blind, that you were doing touch and goes. Why anyone with a parachute needs to practice landings at an airfiled is beyond me. Surely that is the whole point of paramotoring, that you are completely independent of all ground facilities. If yyou want to land at an airfield to get a coffee there is no need to do fly a full pattern surely. Round the elm tree and over the hedge I would have thought a much better proposition,. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:50 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Kolb-List: safety Rick I was glad to see you mention the dew-point. In this thread I think that was the first time. Don't they still teach pilots to watch the temp-dewpoint spread? -- Don't they tell student pilots that when those two numbers, the temp & the dewpoint, come together the air can turn to fog RIGHT NOW? Every pilot should know this, if they want to avoid a zero-visibility landing and stay alive. Two of the most important numbers to watch/monitor/check constantly if they're anywhere close to each other. Russ Kinne pls archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:58 PM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dealing with unfriendly airport mgrs. , I wrote to the County Board of Commissioners, >> Good stuff, Art. I dont think any fields in the UK now refuse ultralights. That was not the case 5 or 7 years ago. The main problem, perceived or real was the difference in our pattern speeds which, as ultralights have got more sophisticated and fast, has largely disappeared . Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:53 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List: safety - Russ reminded me of an incident I had about 25 years ago while driving truck through Scranton, Pa.- At 2am I was alone on I-84, and descending i nto a bowl shaped area at highway speeds.- It was crystal clear.- All o f a sudden it instantly turned to very dense fog, and visibility went to ab out 3 feet.- I had to slow to a crawl and was out of it in about 5 minute s.- I heard later that this phenomenon is common on runways, and the warm exhaust from a landing aircraft can trigger the effect.- Matching dew po int and temperature.- Never saw it before or since, and once was enough. - ------------------------- ------------------------- Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:34 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Airport Attitudes At 05:06 PM 10/7/2008, pj.ladd wrote: >...I suspect also that you have many more less used airfields than we do. >Unless you landed at a farm or private strip you would probably find >something going on. > >...Surely that is the whole point of paramotoring, that you are completely >independent of all ground facilities. If yyou want to land at an airfield >to get a coffee there is no need to do fly a full pattern surely. Round >the elm tree and over the hedge I would have thought a much better >proposition,. Depends on where you are, and of course there's a lot of variety in the U.S. In Connecticut where I live, there aren't that many farms any more, it's mostly forest, and the out of control lawyers means most of the remaining farmers aren't eager to allow what he perceives as a bunch of nuts with fans strapped to their butts use his fields... so we look to the airports. Farther west, things are different. Even at the airports, some ultralight friendly airports want UL's to use the standard traffic pattern, while others have a special pattern for UL's. A PPG, of course, is so much slower that you just avoid the pattern completely. Unlike in the UK, there is no minimum altitude or distance from people for ultralights (save that you can't fly over congested areas at ANY altitude), so we can approach the airport at 200' altitude or whatever seems reasonable. -Dana do not archive -- Access denied--nah nah na nah nah! ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:19 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dealing with unfriendly airport mgrs. Another point is the image. If it LOOKS like a real airplane the retarded manager would , no doubt, be happy to greet it. If it weighs 1000 lbs but LOOKS like an ultralight...... BB On 7, Oct 2008, at 5:14 PM, pj.ladd wrote: > , I wrote to the County Board of Commissioners, >> > > Good stuff, Art. > > I dont think any fields in the UK now refuse ultralights. That was > not the case 5 or 7 years ago. > The main problem, perceived or real was the difference in our > pattern speeds which, as ultralights have got more sophisticated > and fast, has largely disappeared . > > Cheers > > Pat > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:21 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Airport Attitudes From: "N111KX (Kip)" I guess the situation in Adel has not gotten better since 2003. I stopped in there during my trip back from Sun n Fun as it was about to pour down rain. Rather than get all of my equipment soaked I rolled my Firestar into a hangar that did not even have a door. Within 10 minutes the sun was shining so I rolled it out. Mr Happy came up and said "the owner of that hangar would not like you in there". I told him that if a pilot wanted my hangar all night he could have it if I was out of town. He turned and walked away. I have been waiting for 5 year to take a Learjet in there and order up 500 gallons and then remind him of our first meeting and cancel the order. Grass roots airport at it's worst... grantr wrote: > This is from a local guy, He is talking about cook county GA Adel: > > Flew into Cook County air port and was told by the manager as far he was conserend we sport pilot folk were just ultralight pilots in his book and did not want us there. He then went on about the old days how they did this or that that gave us a bad name. > > I was very polite bit my toung real hard and told him in a few weeks when I got my SPORT PILOT CFI my students would be comming to cook County on their cross country flights. He said "No way" guess I will ride over with the first few dozen or so. He may not like me but I am going to be there as much as I can and make him like me (like bugs bunny does) > > I plan to leave a great impression with the local pilots and emphasize safe operations at their airport to students. I plan to not give the manager a leg to stand on. > > Jim Dees -------- Kip Firestar II, N111KX Waiex, N111YX Quickie 1, N111QX Atlanta Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7840#207840 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:52 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Kolb-List: Flyin Photos Hi all EAA chapter 1327 had a flyin / campin weekend at Centre Airpark N16 in PA. A nice couple flew in, camped, and took lots of pictures that you might enjoy at the link below. http://www.flickr.com/photos/otisair/tags/n16/show/ I gave lots of rides in the MKII and Bob Grove flew his Firestar quite a bit. Malcolm Morrison ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:24 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Airport Attitudes At 06:54 PM 10/7/08 -0400, you wrote: > >completely. Unlike in the UK, there is no minimum altitude or distance >from people for ultralights (save that you can't fly over congested areas >at ANY altitude), so we can approach the airport at 200' altitude or >whatever seems reasonable. > Dana Are you sure about this? I remember reading that UL pilots are supposed to obey all of the rules for airmen. And one of those rules, if I remember correctly, states that you must remain 750 feet from everything except when landing or taking off. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:47 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Airport Attitudes At 10:15 PM 10/7/2008, Jack B. Hart wrote: >Are you sure about this? I remember reading that UL pilots are supposed to >obey all of the rules for airmen. And one of those rules, if I remember >correctly, states that you must remain 750 feet from everything except when >landing or taking off. Quite sure. Ultralights in the U.S. are solely governed by Part 103, which nowhere lists a minimum altitude or distance. For that matter, in Part 91 which governs nearly all other aircraft, nowhere is a distance of 750'; it's 500' (1000' over congested areas). Most other countries, of course, have much more restrictive rules. -Dana -- The man who would be fully employed should procure a ship or a woman, for no two things produce more trouble" - Plautus 254-184 B.C. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:46 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flyin Photos I've never seen a more perfect grass runway in my life .....except the 16th fairway on ---------- that wasn't meant to be landed on in the first place. At 08:55 PM 10/7/2008, you wrote: > >Hi all > >EAA chapter 1327 had a flyin / campin weekend at Centre Airpark N16 >in PA. A nice couple flew in, camped, and took lots of pictures >that you might enjoy at the link below. > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/otisair/tags/n16/show/ > >I gave lots of rides in the MKII and Bob Grove flew his Firestar quite a bit. > >Malcolm Morrison ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:38 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Check your carb floats!! I checked my 10 year old floats - found nothing wrong.... just so we get the other side, it's easy to check. At 04:46 PM 9/26/2008, you wrote: > >Since I am new to light sport flying I don't know if this is a >direct result of using gas with ethanol or not. > >I pulled my float bowls the other day and examined the floats and >found one that was literally flaking apart! I took a file and >scrubbed on it to remove the flaking outside plastic covering then i >used my finger nail and the next thing I new my nail sunk into the >foam core of the float. If I had not pulled the bowl it is possible >that the flakes of the outer covering of the float could have >stopped up the jets in my carbs. So that float is useless now. >Luckily I had a spare on hand and have 3 more ordered. > >These are bing 54 carbs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.