---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/08/08: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:48 AM - Re: kolb for sale on Hawaii Island/ complete or parts (Dave Bigelow) 2. 03:57 AM - Re: Re: Airport Attitudes (pj.ladd) 3. 04:36 AM - Re: Re: Airport Attitudes (Dana Hague) 4. 04:42 AM - Re: Re: Airport Attitudes (pj.ladd) 5. 06:49 AM - Re: steel landing gear and VW (geoffthis) 6. 07:02 AM - Brake lines (Jim) 7. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Airport Attitudes (pj.ladd) 8. 08:37 AM - Re: Airport Attitudes (Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL) 9. 08:55 AM - Re: Airport Attitudes (Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL) 10. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Airport Attitudes (Dana Hague) 11. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Airport Attitudes (Dana Hague) 12. 09:56 AM - Re: Brake lines (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 13. 10:09 AM - Re: Flyin Photos (Eugene Zimmerman) 14. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: Airport Attitudes (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 15. 12:39 PM - Re: Brake lines (Jim) 16. 02:55 PM - Re: Flyin Photos (gliderx5@comcast.net) 17. 03:11 PM - Re: Flyin Photos (Eugene Zimmerman) 18. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: Airport Attitudes (Jack B. Hart) 19. 07:06 PM - Re: Brake lines (Steven Green) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:30 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: kolb for sale on Hawaii Island/ complete or parts From: "Dave Bigelow" I saw this Kolb being built, and have had involvement with it periodically since. Haven't seen it in a couple of years, but know it is well built and was taken good care of. -------- Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, HKS 700E Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7857#207857 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:46 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Airport Attitudes Unlike in the UK, there is no minimum altitude or distance >from people for ultralights (save that you can't fly over congested areas >at ANY altitude), >. Hi Dana, i am not up on your rules of course but in the UK ultralights have always been governed by exactly the same rules as everyone else except for the rule about flying over congested area beacause of their perceived unreliability.. Not only perceived but real. As reliabilty has improved that rule has been rescinded and we can now fly over towns etc. Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:08 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Airport Attitudes At 06:57 AM 10/8/2008, pj.ladd wrote: >i am not up on your rules of course but in the UK ultralights have always >been governed by exactly the same rules as everyone else except for the >rule about flying over congested area beacause of their perceived >unreliability.. Not only perceived but real. > >As reliabilty has improved that rule has been rescinded and we can now fly >over towns etc. Over here the only rules that true ultralights have to follow are in the two page Part 103 regulations. None of the other general operating rules apply. No pilot or aircraft certification, no inspections, no minimum altitude... and no passengers and limited performance. The three biggest restrictions people complain about are the "no flying over congested areas", the 254# max weight, and the 5 gallon fuel limit, but the thought is that a rule as unrestrictive as Part 103 would never be passed today... if they opened it up for revision we almost certainly wouldn't like the result. -Dana do not archive -- Do YOU trust a government that won't obey it's OWN LAWS? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:05 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Airport Attitudes Even at the airports, some ultralight friendly airports want UL's to use the standard traffic pattern,>> Hi Dana, for a UL I would expect that but not powered chutes which after all was what started this. Pat ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:26 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: steel landing gear and VW From: "geoffthis" [quote="lcottrell"] > Subject: Re: steel landing gear and VW > > Yes my Firestar sits a little higher, but it makes it look a whole lot better in my opinion. I don't find it to be uncomfortable high however. > > Just my opinion, yours may differ, > Larry C, Oregon > > [b] Larry, I'm getting ready to rebuild my Firestar and am wondering where did you purchase and how much are steel legs? Thanks Geoff Thistlethwaite Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7888#207888 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:58 AM PST US From: "Jim" Subject: Kolb-List: Brake lines Guys, & Gals, I`ve got a set of older matco brakes, that were removed from a MK-3C, going back on a MK-3C. I need new brake lines, & the removed tubin g sez," 1/4 inch by .035 Parker Parflex" I've looked in the following cataloges: Aircraft Spruce, CPS, LEAF, Wag Aero, & Lockwood. All I see in any of them is 3/16 brake line. I also would like new compresion fittings. Any Idea where to get this from? Also, Matcos website sez only use the aviation brake fluid, but someone tol d me that Automatic transmission fluid was what to use. Please, Facts only. Thanks, Jim Kmet Cookeville, TN MK-3C & MK-3C ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:44 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Airport Attitudes No pilot or aircraft certification, no inspections, no minimum altitude... and no passengers and limited performance>> Hi Dana, It looks as though what we lose on the swings we gain on the roundabouts (or carousel). Although we usually have to comply with general aviation rules we do have wider scope for doing our own maintenance and a cut price medical certificate. Required paperwork is genearally based un weight so we score there. On the plus side we can fly a passenger, fuel (I think) is unlimited provided you stay within the MAUW which is now getting close to 1000lbs. The main catch all is the low stall speed, introduced so that a low time pilot with only limited experience couldn`t get into a hot ship ( several are now cruising at 100+) and find himself with a landinng speed which he couldn`t handle. This points up the importance of VG`s on the Mark3Extra. Without them we couldn`t get the stalling speed low enough to remain in the microlight category. There is a lot of work beig done in the EU to standardise the rules which specify what a microlight is and the rules under which they operate. Some countries you couldn`t fly higher tha certain height, in others you couldn`t fly below a certain height. Everyone had different allowable noise levels. As always when bureaucracy iontervenes the paperwork , and the costs increase.It does mean however that all manufacturers can build to a common standard knowing that the plane will be accepted Europe wide. We are also adopting, with some changes, your Sports Pilot cat. and I suspect that there may be further merging to include microlights. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:34 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Airport Attitudes From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" Pat L. asks: << They may have the right to fly there but why should they want to? Why anyone with a parachute needs to practice landings at an airfield is beyond me. Cheers - Pat >> Pat - My powered parachute friend was not practicing landings. He flew over our airport just to wave at me, as he knew I had just landed. I thought that was a pretty good reason for him to do a low approach, don't you? (But obviously, our airport manager did not think so.) As I mentioned, there was no traffic (in the air) at the airport, but nonetheless, he still announced his intentions over the radio. Legal, and he did nothing unsafe. And best of all, we both went home with smiles. (But not the airport manager.) You have my sympathy that the flying constraints in the UK sometimes prevent you from having as much freedom and fun as you could in sport aviation. But I'm sure there must be a positive side to that tradeoff - I just don't know what it is yet. Dennis Kirby, (Presently out of currency, and waiting to take my BFR before I can fly again.) Do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:47 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Airport Attitudes From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" << ... in Part 91 which governs nearly all other aircraft, nowhere is a distance of 750'; it's 500' (1000' over congested areas). -Dana >> The 500 feet rule pertains to flight over sparsely-populated areas. And to add to that, Part-91 further states that, absent any man-made structures where you're flying, you may fly at ANY altitude that will enable you to execute a safe emergency landing if your engine stops. That means you are free to fly as low as you wish. Dennis Kirby Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:51 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Airport Attitudes At 10:06 AM 10/8/2008, pj.ladd wrote: >As always when bureaucracy iontervenes the paperwork , and the costs >increase.It does mean however that all manufacturers can build to a common >standard knowing that the plane will be accepted Europe wide. We are >also adopting, with some changes, your Sports Pilot cat. and I suspect >that there may be further merging to include microlights. Ain't that the truth! The whole Sport Pilot thing with all its new rules here grew out of what was originally a request to simply increase the weight and fuel limitations for ultralights... and all the owners of "fat" ultralights that had to be converted are now having to deal with it. Interestingly, the "training" exemptions which went away have ben reissued for hang gliders, paragliders, and powered paragliders... but for foot launch only (no trikes), which looks a lot like your foot launch exemption. At the same time, though, I think we're starting to see a resurgence of interest in "true" (i.e. legal) ultralights, which is a good thing. -Dana do not archive -- Do not remove this tag under penalty of law ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:52 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Airport Attitudes At 11:54 AM 10/8/2008, Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL wrote: >The 500 feet rule pertains to flight over sparsely-populated areas. And >to add to that, Part-91 further states that, absent any man-made >structures where you're flying, you may fly at ANY altitude that will >enable you to execute a safe emergency landing if your engine stops. >That means you are free to fly as low as you wish. Yes, it's 500' AWAY from any person, vessel, or structure on the surface, not necessarily OVER. But it still doesn't apply to ultralights, which have no minimum distance or altitude. -Dana -- Do not remove this tag under penalty of law ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:15 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Brake lines Jim I had nothing but trouble with the 1/4 by .035 tubing that came with my MKIIIC for my Matco brakes. I blew the line off the connectors five or six times. I called matco and they told me to use at least 2000 PSI tubing. I found some tubing at Aircraft Spruce Part number 05-1229 it is 1/4 od by .050 rated at 2500psi black. This tubing fits on the fittings tight and that seems to be the key. I had to chamfer the inside and heat the tubing a bit to get it to fit on the fittings but it doesn't blow off. I also used brass poly-flo fittings Part number 269P-04x02 for 1/4od tubing. I also use aviation brake fluid because that what Matco recommends it. The concern is the seals in the brake components. If I used something else it might no be compatible. So....... Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Brake lines Guys, & Gals, I`ve got a set of older matco brakes, that were removed from a MK-3C, going back on a MK-3C. I need new brake lines, & the removed tubing sez," 1/4 inch by .035 Parker Parflex" I've looked in the following cataloges: Aircraft Spruce, CPS, LEAF, Wag Aero, & Lockwood. All I see in any of them is 3/16 brake line. I also would like new compresion fittings. Any Idea where to get this from? Also, Matcos website sez only use the aviation brake fluid, but someone told me that Automatic transmission fluid was what to use. Please, Facts only. Thanks, Jim Kmet Cookeville, TN MK-3C & MK-3C ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:33 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flyin Photos Hey, Nice ! If you have another event like that give us a heads up in advance and a couple of Kolb drivers from my area would surely love to fly in also. Thanks for sharing the picts. Gene Z On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:55 PM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote: > > Hi all > > EAA chapter 1327 had a flyin / campin weekend at Centre Airpark N16 > in PA. A nice couple flew in, camped, and took lots of pictures > that you might enjoy at the link below. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/otisair/tags/n16/show/ > > I gave lots of rides in the MKII and Bob Grove flew his Firestar > quite a bit. > > Malcolm Morrison > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:01 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Airport Attitudes Dana/All The Sport Pilot rule came about because the rules were SOOOOOO badly abused. The FAA did a unusually kind thing by allowing Ultralight pilots to be trained free of their usual regulations. The Ultralight community literally shot themselves in the foot by flying the so called fat Ultralights as tongue in cheek trainers. The only surprise was the FAA let it go on for so long. Your right, there is no specific rule about 500' separation in part 103. That doesn't mean it is OK. I don't fly under part 103 anymore (it has been 25 years) but I have stepped down from Private Pilot to Sport Pilot and it is wonderful. If people do stupid things and start killing people there surely will be those rules and many more. I think that a airport manager's concerns if real and not just prejudice should be taken very seriously. These people can get the ear of the FAA. The FAA isn't likely to be as nice as they were. Also sometimes a manager's prejudice as been taught by seeing people do dumb things. I'm not saying your friend was unsafe but how does that manager know that he might not do the same thing or worse when there is alot of traffic? The damage is done but sometimes a discussion with a manager ahead of time fixes everything. >From another perspective. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Hague" > > Ain't that the truth! The whole Sport Pilot thing with all its new rules > here grew out of what was originally a request to simply increase the > weight and fuel limitations for ultralights... and all the owners of "fat" > ultralights that had to be converted are now having to deal with it. > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:50 PM PST US From: "Jim" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Brake lines Rick, you 'da Man!!! Thanks, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Brake lines Jim I had nothing but trouble with the 1/4 by .035 tubing that came with my M KIIIC for my Matco brakes. I blew the line off the connectors five or six t imes. I called matco and they told me to use at least 2000 PSI tubing. I fo und some tubing at Aircraft Spruce Part number 05-1229 it is 1/4 od by .050 rated at 2500psi black. This tubing fits on the fittings tight and that se ems to be the key. I had to chamfer the inside and heat the tubing a bit to get it to fit on the fittings but it doesn't blow off. I also used brass poly-flo fittings Part number 269P-04x02 for 1/4od tubi ng. I also use aviation brake fluid because that what Matco recommends it. Th e concern is the seals in the brake components. If I used something else it might no be compatible. So....... Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Brake lines Guys, & Gals, I`ve got a set of older matco brakes, that were removed f rom a MK-3C, going back on a MK-3C. I need new brake lines, & the removed t ubing sez," 1/4 inch by .035 Parker Parflex" I've looked in the following cataloges: Aircraft Spruce, CPS, LEAF, Wag Aero, & Lockwood. All I see in any of them is 3/16 brake line. I also would like new compresion fittings. Any Idea where to get this from? Also, Matcos website sez only use the aviation brake fluid, but someone told me that Automatic transmission fluid was what to use. Please, Facts only. Thanks, Jim Kmet Cookeville, TN MK-3C & MK-3C href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:34 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flyin Photos Gene I help maintain the chapter web site, www.eaa1327.org . We put announcements on events on the site, but I will try to give you a heads up on future flying activities. This event is always the first weekend in October, so make plans and we look forward to seeing you next year. Malcolm Morrison -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Eugene Zimmerman > > Hey, Nice ! > > If you have another event like that give us a heads up in advance and > a couple of Kolb drivers from my area would surely love to fly in also. > > Thanks for sharing the picts. > > Gene Z > > > > On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:55 PM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > Hi all > > > > EAA chapter 1327 had a flyin / campin weekend at Centre Airpark N16 > > in PA. A nice couple flew in, camped, and took lots of pictures > > that you might enjoy at the link below. > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/otisair/tags/n16/show/ > > > > I gave lots of rides in the MKII and Bob Grove flew his Firestar > > quite a bit. > > > > Malcolm Morrison > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:36 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flyin Photos Malcolm, Thanks , I'll put it in my calendar for next year. Gene, On Oct 8, 2008, at 5:55 PM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote: > > Gene > > I help maintain the chapter web site, www.eaa1327.org . We put > announcements on events on the site, but I will try to give you a > heads up on future flying activities. This event is always the > first weekend in October, so make plans and we look forward to > seeing you next year. > > Malcolm Morrison > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Eugene Zimmerman >> >> Hey, Nice ! >> >> If you have another event like that give us a heads up in advance and >> a couple of Kolb drivers from my area would surely love to fly in >> also. >> >> Thanks for sharing the picts. >> >> Gene Z >> >> >> >> On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:55 PM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> EAA chapter 1327 had a flyin / campin weekend at Centre Airpark N16 >>> in PA. A nice couple flew in, camped, and took lots of pictures >>> that you might enjoy at the link below. >>> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/otisair/tags/n16/show/ >>> >>> I gave lots of rides in the MKII and Bob Grove flew his Firestar >>> quite a bit. >>> >>> Malcolm Morrison >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:01 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Airport Attitudes At 09:54 AM 10/8/08 -0600, you wrote: > > > > ><< ... in Part 91 which governs nearly all other aircraft, nowhere is a >distance of 750'; it's 500' (1000' over congested areas). -Dana >> > >The 500 feet rule pertains to flight over sparsely-populated areas. And >to add to that, Part-91 further states that, absent any man-made >structures where you're flying, you may fly at ANY altitude that will >enable you to execute a safe emergency landing if your engine stops. >That means you are free to fly as low as you wish. > Dennis & Kolbers Sec. 91.119 Minimum safe altitudes: General. Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes: (a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface. (b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft. (c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure. (d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator. FYI Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:54 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Brake lines Jim, Have you tried Travis at TNK? Steven do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Brake lines Guys, & Gals, I`ve got a set of older matco brakes, that were removed from a MK-3C, going back on a MK-3C. I need new brake lines, & the removed tubing sez," 1/4 inch by .035 Parker Parflex" I've looked in the following cataloges: Aircraft Spruce, CPS, LEAF, Wag Aero, & Lockwood. All I see in any of them is 3/16 brake line. I also would like new compresion fittings. Any Idea where to get this from? Also, Matcos website sez only use the aviation brake fluid, but someone told me that Automatic transmission fluid was what to use. Please, Facts only. 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