---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/23/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:33 AM - Re: Firestar aileron balance wts (VICTOR PETERS) 2. 08:25 AM - wing attachment hardware (clrprop) 3. 08:57 AM - Re: wing attachment hardware (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 4. 09:41 AM - Re: wing attachment hardware (Dana Hague) 5. 10:36 AM - Re: wing attachment hardware (JetPilot) 6. 04:21 PM - Kolb MK3X possibly for sell (watercooled VW engine) (Rick Lewis) 7. 04:24 PM - Re: Firestar aileron balance wts (JetPilot) 8. 08:49 PM - Re: Re: Pictures !!! Flying a Kolb Around South Arizona... (Dan G.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:12 AM PST US From: "VICTOR PETERS" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar aileron balance wts I put balances on my MKIIIX. ( flaperons) Only had flutter once and it wasn't from high speed. May have been from a pull up in hot air into a blast of cooler air on a large river. They work but I don't like the sluggish feel or that they wobble between each other on the ground. Don't really notice much difference in the air performance wise. I'd rather put spades where the weights go but I'm no engineer. Vic ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:40 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: wing attachment hardware From: "clrprop" What kind of hardware are you all using for your wing attachment? Most of mine are the clevis pins w/ cowling safety clips. Some are too short to get a washer on underneath the clip. This doesn't look very safe to me. Are these ok or is it better to go with bolts and castle nuts? Keath T Mk III C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210003#210003 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:21 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wing attachment hardware Keath That's the way most all are. I personally use the ring type safety clips because long grass has been known to pull the cowl clips off. Others have said the ring clips might work their way out but I doubt it. Some people that don't fold their wings have used bolts with lock nuts. Some even have used bushings/spacers that lock the wing attachments together. There is no reason why you can't use castle nuts. What ever you use be sure it is AN hardware for the pins or bolts. Also always check the safety clips on preflight for wear. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "clrprop" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: Kolb-List: wing attachment hardware > > What kind of hardware are you all using for your wing attachment? > > Most of mine are the clevis pins w/ cowling safety clips. Some are too > short to get a washer on underneath the clip. This doesn't look very safe > to me. Are these ok or is it better to go with bolts and castle nuts? > > Keath T > Mk III C > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210003#210003 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:28 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wing attachment hardware At 11:25 AM 10/23/2008, clrprop wrote: >What kind of hardware are you all using for your wing attachment? > >Most of mine are the clevis pins w/ cowling safety clips. Some are too >short to get a washer on underneath the clip. This doesn't look very safe >to me. Are these ok or is it better to go with bolts and castle nuts? I don't think it's an issue; I've never heard of a failure (has anybody?). I don't have washers under the clips on any of mine. Since I fold the wings every time I fly each connection gets checked anyway. If I weren't folding every time I'd probably go with bolts and locknuts, though. -Dana -- In England, the cops say, 'Halt or I'll say halt again!' ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:03 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: wing attachment hardware From: "JetPilot" There have been cases where the safety pin has been undone on the tail wire attachment on the bottom of the rudder due to long grass. I use a castle nut with a safety pin on all attachments since I do not fold my wings. If you must fold, I like the key chain type circlips, rather than the safety pin type which are more easily knocked open. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210017#210017 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:54 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb MK3X possibly for sell (watercooled VW engine) From: "Rick Lewis" I am seriously thinking about selling my unfinished Kolb. I've lost interest since my partner has bailed out on me. This would be a truely quick build aircraft since the wings, horizonal stab, rudder, elevators, aerons, and flaps are all done except for covering. The cage is set up for the WATER COOLED VW engine which is assemble and included in the deal. I am not looking for any profit on the plane just the actual money I have in it. All the many hours of labor to this point will be free. I haven't added all the reciepts up yet to come up with a cost but I thought I would send this post out to see if anyone would be seriously interested. Hopefully I won't get to many tire kickers here. Rick Lewis (VW Watercooled powered) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210045#210045 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/vw_engine_001_714.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_341.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/12_158.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/misc_pics_050_113.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar aileron balance wts From: "JetPilot" I put spades on my Kolb MK III, they worked well to bring down the control forces and make my ailerons more responsive. They are not heavy enough to replace my counterbalances, I have both. Also spades on the wingtips do not work, the vortex of the air going over the tips make the spades pretty useless there according to someone that has tried it. I beleive it, I have not see any airplane with spades on the wingtips, I copied my spades from a Decathlon, the spade design I used is common on many airplanes. If you want to see pictures and more information, look here. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=45270&highlight=spades Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210046#210046 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:05 PM PST US From: "Dan G." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Pictures !!! Flying a Kolb Around South Arizona... Here's a photo of the San Pedro valley just a few miles north of where I'm based in Benson, AZ and some prime real estate not far east of Tucson (former Titan II missile base). All of the little spikes on the ground in the first photo are 10 to 20 ft tall saguaro cactus. Fortunately there are dirt road emergency landing options on the other side Dan Gilb 503 F2 Tucson, AZ jb92563 wrote: > >Great Pictures! Guys. > >Mike, > >I had a bunch of those White Egrets nesting over a street from me in a big bush tree. > >The constant clucking day and night can drive you crazy. > >The people that owned the tree cut it down to the trunk so the birds would not come back next year....but they are pretty....just not in your backyard....LOL > > >Dana, > >I guess we know what happens on runway 32 when people have engine problems at your airport. > >Its Under the bridge and look for shallow water to ditch....perhaps life vests are more important than parachutes for you guys.....LOL > >Awesome pics guys keep it up....I'm loving it and it is inspiring me to hurry up with my UltraStar so I can make my own contributions. > >Heres home base, Lake Elsinore, CA from my Grob 109 motorglider in the mean time. > >Ray > >-------- >Ray > >Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) >Moni MotorGlider >Schreder HP-11 Glider >Grob 109 Motorglider > > >Do Not Archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9837#209837 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/elsinore_124.jpg > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.