---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/29/08: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:33 AM - Re: New Fan Wing (icrashrc) 2. 05:25 AM - Re: Bahama bound (2danglico) 3. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: Bahama bound (Robert Laird) 4. 11:41 AM - Non-Moving EGT's (Jack B. Hart) 5. 12:32 PM - Six Gallon Tank (beauford T) 6. 12:47 PM - Kolb List Re: six gallon tank (william sullivan) 7. 02:06 PM - Re: Six Gallon Tank (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 8. 02:43 PM - Re: Non-Moving EGT's (Dana Hague) 9. 03:13 PM - Re: Six Gallon Tank (Jim) 10. 04:09 PM - Re: Six Gallon Tank (customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com) 11. 04:20 PM - Re: Six Gallon Tank (Jerry Jones) 12. 04:32 PM - Re: Six Gallon Tank (jerb) 13. 04:42 PM - Re: : six gallon tank (beauford T) 14. 05:06 PM - Kolb List Re: six gallon tank (william sullivan) 15. 05:31 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: six gallon tank (customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com) 16. 06:09 PM - Re: Non-Moving EGT's (grantr) 17. 08:47 PM - In Flight Video (Bill Eslick) 18. 10:01 PM - Re: In Flight Video (Carlos) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:43 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Fan Wing From: "icrashrc" Funny they claim it's a "new' idea as that type of setup has been flying as radio control for at least 10 years now. -------- Scott www.ill-EagleAviation.com do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210939#210939 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:22 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Bahama bound From: "2danglico" I have no itinerary. I have a former Marine buddy working there and from our time in Okinawa, he knew I enjoyed snorkeling alot. I'd been telling him about my Firestar and how much fun I was having flying it around, when he suggested I fly it over and bring my snorkel gear. I'm not sure if he knew I'd try to take him up on it. I can make 170+ miles with my new "5 gal tank". Freeport doesn't seem to be more than 60 or 70 from the Fla coast. I'm just not sure if they'll allow an unregistered UL to fly over. But, who knows? Let me know what you can find out. If they'll let me come over, we'll go at your convenience. -John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210946#210946 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:48 AM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Bahama bound I looked into this once, a long time ago... my memory may not be complete, but I do remember that ULs would definitely -not- be allowed... they only accepted registered aircraft, and certified pilots, plus they had a lot of other requirements (insurance, fees, paperwork, raft, etc.) -- Robert On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:25 AM, 2danglico wrote: > > I have no itinerary. I have a former Marine buddy working there and from our time in Okinawa, he knew I enjoyed snorkeling alot. I'd been telling him about my Firestar and how much fun I was having flying it around, when he suggested I fly it over and bring my snorkel gear. I'm not sure if he knew I'd try to take him up on it. I can make 170+ miles with my new "5 gal tank". Freeport doesn't seem to be more than 60 or 70 from the Fla coast. I'm just not sure if they'll allow an unregistered UL to fly over. But, who knows? Let me know what you can find out. If they'll let me come over, we'll go at your convenience. -John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210946#210946 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:31 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: Non-Moving EGT's At 07:51 PM 10/26/08 -0700, you wrote: > ............................... >I am still chasing egts. I raised my needle one notch and am still getting right at 1200o but then engine runs just as well as it did before the adjustment. I am going to read the plugs next time I get the airport. > Grant, If you raise the needle and the EGT's do not move down, it may indicate that the main jet is limiting fuel flow. Try increasing your main jet to the next larger size. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:30 PM PST US From: "beauford T" Subject: Kolb-List: Six Gallon Tank Kolbers: Due to some other factors, I had not dragged the Fly out of the trailer for about two months. I did so on Sunday and found something interesting. The six gallon tank obtained from TNK a little over a year ago has developed noticable bulging and sagging in the bottom half of the side walls. It contained about five gallons and when pressed it felt "flabby" and a lot more flexible than it did when first installed. I will replace it with a standard five gallon thick-wall tank before I will be willing to fly the airplane again... In its present condition, this tank looks to me as if it could easily split open. I called Travis and asked if he had heard of anything like this with the sixes... He said they were certainly of thinner material than the fives, but he had not heard of anyone reporting problems with bulging or unusual softness in the lower sides like mine. He asked me to put out a call on the List and see if anyone else had observed a similar problem with the six gallon tanks... Any takers...?? beauford FF076 Brandon, FL ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:18 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List re: six gallon tank - Beauford- Just out of curiosity, if it was in a trailer, what kind of t emperatures have you had in the last couple of months?- Could it have got ten too hot in the trailer? - ------------------------- ----------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ----------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:12 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Six Gallon Tank Bill Seems like Travis was showing us at Homecoming a newer 6 gallon tank that was more like the 5 gallon in thickness. Travis, Is this the case? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: beauford T To: Kolb List Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:29 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Six Gallon Tank Kolbers: Due to some other factors, I had not dragged the Fly out of the trailer for about two months. I did so on Sunday and found something interesting. The six gallon tank obtained from TNK a little over a year ago has developed noticable bulging and sagging in the bottom half of the side walls. It contained about five gallons and when pressed it felt "flabby" and a lot more flexible than it did when first installed. I will replace it with a standard five gallon thick-wall tank before I will be willing to fly the airplane again... In its present condition, this tank looks to me as if it could easily split open. I called Travis and asked if he had heard of anything like this with the sixes... He said they were certainly of thinner material than the fives, but he had not heard of anyone reporting problems with bulging or unusual softness in the lower sides like mine. He asked me to put out a call on the List and see if anyone else had observed a similar problem with the six gallon tanks... Any takers...?? beauford FF076 Brandon, FL ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:59 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Non-Moving EGT's At 03:41 PM 10/29/2008, Jack B. Hart wrote: >At 07:51 PM 10/26/08 -0700, you wrote: > > >............................... > >I am still chasing egts. I raised my needle one notch and am still getting >right at 1200o but then engine runs just as well as it did before the >adjustment. I am going to read the plugs next time I get the airport. > >Grant, > >If you raise the needle and the EGT's do not move down, it may indicate that >the main jet is limiting fuel flow. Try increasing your main jet to the >next larger size. Is this full throttle EGT? The needle should be completely out of the jet and have no effect at full throttle, no? -Dana -- Can I deduct last years taxes as a bad investment? ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:33 PM PST US From: "Jim" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Six Gallon Tank Mine deform slightly too. Jim Kmet ----- Original Message ----- From: beauford T To: Kolb List Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:29 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Six Gallon Tank Kolbers: Due to some other factors, I had not dragged the Fly out of the trailer f or about two months. I did so on Sunday and found something interesting. The six gallon tank obtained from TNK a little over a year ago has develo ped noticable bulging and sagging in the bottom half of the side walls. I t contained about five gallons and when pressed it felt "flabby" and a lot more flexible than it did when first installed. I will replace it with a standard five gallon thick-wall tank before I wi ll be willing to fly the airplane again... In its present condition, this tank looks to me as if it could easily split open. I called Travis and asked if he had heard of anything like this with the sixes... He said they were certainly of thinner material than the fives, b ut he had not heard of anyone reporting problems with bulging or unusual so ftness in the lower sides like mine. He asked me to put out a call on the List and see if anyone else had obs erved a similar problem with the six gallon tanks... Any takers...?? beauford FF076 Brandon, FL ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:01 PM PST US From: customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Six Gallon Tank Rick The tanks you saw here in Sep. are the same 6 gallon tanks I have always used. It could be some of them are thicker material. I will check ours in the MIII Xtra Thursday . Travis @ home Richard & Martha Neilsen writes: > Bill > > Seems like Travis was showing us at Homecoming a newer 6 gallon tank that was more like the 5 gallon in thickness. > > Travis, Is this the case? > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: beauford T > To: Kolb List > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:29 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Six Gallon Tank > > > Kolbers: > > Due to some other factors, I had not dragged the Fly out of the trailer for about two months. I did so on Sunday and found something interesting. > > The six gallon tank obtained from TNK a little over a year ago has developed noticable bulging and sagging in the bottom half of the side walls. It contained about five gallons and when pressed it felt "flabby" and a lot more flexible than it did when first installed. > > I will replace it with a standard five gallon thick-wall tank before I will be willing to fly the airplane again... In its present condition, this tank looks to me as if it could easily split open. > > I called Travis and asked if he had heard of anything like this with the sixes... He said they were certainly of thinner material than the fives, but he had not heard of anyone reporting problems with bulging or unusual softness in the lower sides like mine. > > He asked me to put out a call on the List and see if anyone else had observed a similar problem with the six gallon tanks... > > Any takers...?? > > beauford > FF076 > Brandon, FL > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:57 PM PST US From: Jerry Jones Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Six Gallon Tank FWIW, over many years and many planes, I've yet to see a plastic tank that hasn't developed bulges with time--just like a few of us. Jerry ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:23 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Six Gallon Tank Might this be caused by a pressure build up or a chemical reaction from our new blended fuels? Haven't looked at my tank, now I'm scared to look although mine is a 10 gal Challenger tank. Than's for alerting us to this Beauford. jerb At 05:13 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote: >Mine deform slightly too. Jim Kmet >----- Original Message ----- >From: beauford T >To: Kolb List >Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:29 PM >Subject: Kolb-List: Six Gallon Tank > >Kolbers: > >Due to some other factors, I had not dragged the Fly out of the >trailer for about two months. I did so on Sunday and found >something interesting. > >The six gallon tank obtained from TNK a little over a year ago has >developed noticable bulging and sagging in the bottom half of the >side walls. It contained about five gallons and when pressed it >felt "flabby" and a lot more flexible than it did when first installed. > >I will replace it with a standard five gallon thick-wall tank before >I will be willing to fly the airplane again... In its present >condition, this tank looks to me as if it could easily split open. > >I called Travis and asked if he had heard of anything like this with >the sixes... He said they were certainly of thinner material than >the fives, but he had not heard of anyone reporting problems with >bulging or unusual softness in the lower sides like mine. > >He asked me to put out a call on the List and see if anyone else >had observed a similar problem with the six gallon tanks... > >Any takers...?? > >beauford >FF076 >Brandon, FL > > >p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > >ics.com > >matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:39 PM PST US From: "beauford T" Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: six gallon tank Brother Sullivan... Fair question, sir... It is an enclosed trailer, but well vented and has a light colored roof... The Fly has been in this same trailer in the same place since 2001... with the same 5 gallon tank installed. That tank is now sitting in the garage and, aside from a good bit of staining and discoration, appears structurally to be in the same condition it was in in 2001. It does get right warm in the trailer, but I have noticed no deterioration with anything else in there over the years...and another Kolb with two five gallon tanks sat next to it in a similar trailer for three years or so with no adverse effects on the tanks... I think it is just a case of the manufacturer blowing the six gallon jobs without enough material in them... When it arrived new, I immediately noticed that it was significantly less robust than the five gallon version. beauford FF-076 ----- Original Message ----- From: william sullivan To: kolb list Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List re: six gallon tank Beauford- Just out of curiosity, if it was in a trailer, what kind of temperatures have you had in the last couple of months? Could it have gotten too hot in the trailer? Bill Sullivan Windsor Locks, Ct. 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:37 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List re: six gallon tank - Beauford- That's why I asked, to see if it could be age, comparative th ickness, sunlight deterioration, etc.- Maybe there is a common factor, if someone else had a problem.- Good luck. - ------------------------- ----------------------- Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:38 PM PST US From: customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List re: six gallon tank Good point Bill. At $25 per tank replacing the tank yearly might be a good idea especially with todays fuel we are using. I know the new fuel is driving the antique car guys crazy Especially the cars with the old original vacuum fuel tank pump set up. Travis william sullivan writes: > Beauford- That's why I asked, to see if it could be age, comparative thickness, sunlight deterioration, etc. Maybe there is a common factor, if someone else had a problem. Good luck. > > Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Non-Moving EGT's From: "grantr" Full throttle EGTs are 1200 to 1225. 5300 to 6000 one is right on 1200 the other is right under it so I say around 1180. Before I installed the new Dual egt the reading on the single EGT gauge was 900o at 6000rpms See in photo below. Nothing was changed prior to the gauge switch. I am still using the same sender EGT probe the old gauge used on the PTO cylinder. When I checked/ changed the plugs after the gauge change the plugs were light brown. I dont know why the 2 gauges read different on the egts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211099#211099 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:24 PM PST US From: "Bill Eslick" Subject: Kolb-List: In Flight Video Quality is lost in going to YouTube, but here is my FSII roaming the local area. http://tinyurl.com/55sw7g Bill Eslick ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:13 PM PST US From: "Carlos" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: In Flight Video Hi Bill That was a cool video. I really like the airport you are flying out of. Looks like a estate. Its a darn shame your Kolb is way in the heck out in Texas. Would like to do a little Kolb formation flying sometime. Have Fun and Lots of it! Carlos Grageda Walla Walla WA ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Eslick To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Kolb-List: In Flight Video Quality is lost in going to YouTube, but here is my FSII roaming the local area. http://tinyurl.com/55sw7g Bill Eslick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.