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1. 07:11 AM - South LA Flying Pics - Nov 1 (John Bickham)
2. 09:07 AM - Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... (Nick Cassara)
3. 10:01 AM - Re: Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
4. 11:32 AM - Re: Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... (robert bean)
5. 03:54 PM - Re: South LA Flying Pics - Nov 1 (JetPilot)
6. 06:11 PM - Re: Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... (John Hauck)
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Subject: | South LA Flying Pics - Nov 1 |
Flew to DeRidder, La for the Wings and Wheels Fly-in.
Took a few pics. Sorry about the haze, south Louisiana constant. Better than
snow I guess.
Need to get back in XC shape. Butt started hurting at two hours.
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as slow as you could have
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Subject: | Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... |
Hello Folks,
I am Nick Cassara, in Palmer, Alaska. I bought the "prototype" Kolbra
fuselage and wing kit that Jim Kmet was selling. Jim was kind enough to
return everything to Kolb for me.
Travis and crew went through and inventoried the kit, power coated some
parts, and add few things and ship it a North to Alaska! Travis could not
have been more patient, understanding and Helpful! I hope someday to visit
Kolb.
I am a student LSA pilot. I have over a thousand hours in the back seat of a
supercub, doing wildlife surveys.not flying. I also work out of R-44's and
C-185's, but I mostly know cubs, and cup pilots and P. A."s.
I plan to add flaps to my wings, build the wing out so it flies to the end,
and add 1/16" aluminum sheeting to the front of the wing, forcing all air to
flow over the top ribs and support the fabric on the leading edge from
contacting brush on the ground. VG's will also be on.
I know that most of you folks will have some input on these changes.I have
seen the photos of Miss Dixie, what a plane. but have been unable to contact
Paul.Mike Welsh is going to send pictures of his wing mods.please give me
your input .
Thanks, Nick up North
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Subject: | Re: Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... |
Nick
I don't have a Kolbra but I built and have flown a MKIIIC for a number
of years and the MKIII has the same wing. I'm not sure I understand
exactly what you are planning to do to that wing but these are my
thoughts and they are worth what you paid for them.
Flaps are well worth putting on your plane. The benefit to landing is
nothing short of incredible. Be vary careful using full flaps. I
wouldn't even consider using them at the max till you are very familiar
with the plane. If you build them with more notches or electric where
you can work into full flaps gradually that would be even better VGs
will help also.
A number of people have put aluminum on the leading edge of the wing and
have only had reduced performance due to the increased weight. If you
are doing this for protection from brush that's fine but that is all it
will do.
I'm don't know what "build the wing out so it flies to the end" means.
If you are talking about different wing tips you might want to look at
the new MKIIIX wing tips. I understand they work well. Wing tips are a
bit of black science and not very many custom wing tips help and most
make things worse.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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From: Nick Cassara
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:07 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading
edge...
Hello Folks,
I am Nick Cassara, in Palmer, Alaska. I bought the "prototype" Kolbra
fuselage and wing kit that Jim Kmet was selling. Jim was kind enough to
return everything to Kolb for me.
Travis and crew went through and inventoried the kit, power coated
some parts, and add few things and ship it a North to Alaska! Travis
could not have been more patient, understanding and Helpful! I hope
someday to visit Kolb.
I am a student LSA pilot. I have over a thousand hours in the back
seat of a supercub, doing wildlife surveys.not flying. I also work out
of R-44's and C-185's, but I mostly know cubs, and cup pilots and P.
A."s.
I plan to add flaps to my wings, build the wing out so it flies to the
end, and add 1/16" aluminum sheeting to the front of the wing, forcing
all air to flow over the top ribs and support the fabric on the leading
edge from contacting brush on the ground. VG's will also be on.
I know that most of you folks will have some input on these changes.I
have seen the photos of Miss Dixie, what a plane. but have been unable
to contact Paul.Mike Welsh is going to send pictures of his wing
mods.please give me your input .
Thanks, Nick up North
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Subject: | Re: Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... |
Nick, Rick N is correct on all counts. More info on leading edge tin:
for performance the unadorned stock Kolb leading edge probably has
the best lift characteristics
because the valleys help keep the airflow linear and attached. I
wouldn't have put it on my left wing
except for the fact that the already built right wing had it under a
perfectly good cover.
I can say that it doesn't add enough weight to be a factor and the
wing is more rash-resistant.
Use real T-6 aircraft aluminum, not roofing flashing.
I pre-bent it at the front to take out the fight and attached it
from the leading edge tube (fabric rivets to reduce the bumps)
to the area over the spar. Internally a bead of clear silicone
sealer alongside all the ribs keeps everything
snug.
BB
On 2, Nov 2008, at 12:07 PM, Nick Cassara wrote:
> Hello Folks,
>
> I am Nick Cassara, in Palmer, Alaska. I bought the =93prototype=94
> Kolbra fuselage and wing kit that Jim Kmet was selling. Jim was
> kind enough to return everything to Kolb for me.
> Travis and crew went through and inventoried the kit, power coated
> some parts, and add few things and ship it a North to Alaska!
> Travis could not have been more patient, understanding and Helpful!
> I hope someday to visit Kolb.
>
> I am a student LSA pilot. I have over a thousand hours in the back
> seat of a supercub, doing wildlife surveys=85not flying. I also work
> out of R-44=92s and C-185=92s, but I mostly know cubs, and cup pilots
> and P. A.=94s.
>
> I plan to add flaps to my wings, build the wing out so it flies to
> the end, and add 1/16=94 aluminum sheeting to the front of the wing,
> forcing all air to flow over the top ribs and support the fabric on
> the leading edge from contacting brush on the ground. VG=92s will
> also be on.
>
> I know that most of you folks will have some input on these changes=85
> I have seen the photos of Miss Dixie, what a plane=85 but have been
> unable to contact Paul=85Mike Welsh is going to send pictures of his
> wing mods=85please give me your input .
>
> Thanks, Nick up North
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Subject: | Re: South LA Flying Pics - Nov 1 |
Looks like your Kolb attracted more attention than any other plane on the ramp
!
Mike
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have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Subject: | Re: Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... |
Howdy:
Probably the high time Kolbra, until it crashed last May, with over 1600 hours,
was John Williamson's.
Probably the high time mkIII with 2,800+ hours, is mine.
Neither John W or I saw a requirement to change Homer Kolb's wing. John W., like
myself, did a lot of long cross country flying in all kinds of winds and weather.
I feel obligated to voice my opinion, especialy when it comes to one inexperienced
Kolb builder/pilot, following suit with modifications made by other inexperienced
Kolb buider/pilots. For my own Kolbs, nothing was ever changed from the
original plans until I had sufficient time flying and testing the aircraft
to determine if I "really" needed to make a change. Making changes for changes
sake might get you hurt, or worse.
How do you know what you need if you have no experience flying a Kolb model?
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler remote, Morgan Hill, California
PS: My lap top went tits up the day I left Alabama, a month ago. Internet is
far and few between for me. ;-(
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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