---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/02/08: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:11 AM - South LA Flying Pics - Nov 1 (John Bickham) 2. 09:07 AM - Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... (Nick Cassara) 3. 10:01 AM - Re: Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 4. 11:32 AM - Re: Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... (robert bean) 5. 03:54 PM - Re: South LA Flying Pics - Nov 1 (JetPilot) 6. 06:11 PM - Re: Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:46 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: South LA Flying Pics - Nov 1 From: "John Bickham" Flew to DeRidder, La for the Wings and Wheels Fly-in. Took a few pics. Sorry about the haze, south Louisiana constant. Better than snow I guess. Need to get back in XC shape. Butt started hurting at two hours. -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as slow as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211756#211756 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_524.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1032_144.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1040_198.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1042_688.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1044_133.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:30 AM PST US From: "Nick Cassara" Subject: Kolb-List: Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... Hello Folks, I am Nick Cassara, in Palmer, Alaska. I bought the "prototype" Kolbra fuselage and wing kit that Jim Kmet was selling. Jim was kind enough to return everything to Kolb for me. Travis and crew went through and inventoried the kit, power coated some parts, and add few things and ship it a North to Alaska! Travis could not have been more patient, understanding and Helpful! I hope someday to visit Kolb. I am a student LSA pilot. I have over a thousand hours in the back seat of a supercub, doing wildlife surveys.not flying. I also work out of R-44's and C-185's, but I mostly know cubs, and cup pilots and P. A."s. I plan to add flaps to my wings, build the wing out so it flies to the end, and add 1/16" aluminum sheeting to the front of the wing, forcing all air to flow over the top ribs and support the fabric on the leading edge from contacting brush on the ground. VG's will also be on. I know that most of you folks will have some input on these changes.I have seen the photos of Miss Dixie, what a plane. but have been unable to contact Paul.Mike Welsh is going to send pictures of his wing mods.please give me your input . Thanks, Nick up North ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:35 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... Nick I don't have a Kolbra but I built and have flown a MKIIIC for a number of years and the MKIII has the same wing. I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are planning to do to that wing but these are my thoughts and they are worth what you paid for them. Flaps are well worth putting on your plane. The benefit to landing is nothing short of incredible. Be vary careful using full flaps. I wouldn't even consider using them at the max till you are very familiar with the plane. If you build them with more notches or electric where you can work into full flaps gradually that would be even better VGs will help also. A number of people have put aluminum on the leading edge of the wing and have only had reduced performance due to the increased weight. If you are doing this for protection from brush that's fine but that is all it will do. I'm don't know what "build the wing out so it flies to the end" means. If you are talking about different wing tips you might want to look at the new MKIIIX wing tips. I understand they work well. Wing tips are a bit of black science and not very many custom wing tips help and most make things worse. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Cassara To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... Hello Folks, I am Nick Cassara, in Palmer, Alaska. I bought the "prototype" Kolbra fuselage and wing kit that Jim Kmet was selling. Jim was kind enough to return everything to Kolb for me. Travis and crew went through and inventoried the kit, power coated some parts, and add few things and ship it a North to Alaska! Travis could not have been more patient, understanding and Helpful! I hope someday to visit Kolb. I am a student LSA pilot. I have over a thousand hours in the back seat of a supercub, doing wildlife surveys.not flying. I also work out of R-44's and C-185's, but I mostly know cubs, and cup pilots and P. A."s. I plan to add flaps to my wings, build the wing out so it flies to the end, and add 1/16" aluminum sheeting to the front of the wing, forcing all air to flow over the top ribs and support the fabric on the leading edge from contacting brush on the ground. VG's will also be on. I know that most of you folks will have some input on these changes.I have seen the photos of Miss Dixie, what a plane. but have been unable to contact Paul.Mike Welsh is going to send pictures of his wing mods.please give me your input . Thanks, Nick up North ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:32:59 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... Nick, Rick N is correct on all counts. More info on leading edge tin: for performance the unadorned stock Kolb leading edge probably has the best lift characteristics because the valleys help keep the airflow linear and attached. I wouldn't have put it on my left wing except for the fact that the already built right wing had it under a perfectly good cover. I can say that it doesn't add enough weight to be a factor and the wing is more rash-resistant. Use real T-6 aircraft aluminum, not roofing flashing. I pre-bent it at the front to take out the fight and attached it from the leading edge tube (fabric rivets to reduce the bumps) to the area over the spar. Internally a bead of clear silicone sealer alongside all the ribs keeps everything snug. BB On 2, Nov 2008, at 12:07 PM, Nick Cassara wrote: > Hello Folks, > > I am Nick Cassara, in Palmer, Alaska. I bought the =93prototype=94 > Kolbra fuselage and wing kit that Jim Kmet was selling. Jim was > kind enough to return everything to Kolb for me. > Travis and crew went through and inventoried the kit, power coated > some parts, and add few things and ship it a North to Alaska! > Travis could not have been more patient, understanding and Helpful! > I hope someday to visit Kolb. > > I am a student LSA pilot. I have over a thousand hours in the back > seat of a supercub, doing wildlife surveys=85not flying. I also work > out of R-44=92s and C-185=92s, but I mostly know cubs, and cup pilots > and P. A.=94s. > > I plan to add flaps to my wings, build the wing out so it flies to > the end, and add 1/16=94 aluminum sheeting to the front of the wing, > forcing all air to flow over the top ribs and support the fabric on > the leading edge from contacting brush on the ground. VG=92s will > also be on. > > I know that most of you folks will have some input on these changes=85 > I have seen the photos of Miss Dixie, what a plane=85 but have been > unable to contact Paul=85Mike Welsh is going to send pictures of his > wing mods=85please give me your input . > > Thanks, Nick up North ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:00 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: South LA Flying Pics - Nov 1 From: "JetPilot" Looks like your Kolb attracted more attention than any other plane on the ramp ! Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211856#211856 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:37 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for input on Kolbra...flap, wing, leading edge... From: "John Hauck" Howdy: Probably the high time Kolbra, until it crashed last May, with over 1600 hours, was John Williamson's. Probably the high time mkIII with 2,800+ hours, is mine. Neither John W or I saw a requirement to change Homer Kolb's wing. John W., like myself, did a lot of long cross country flying in all kinds of winds and weather. I feel obligated to voice my opinion, especialy when it comes to one inexperienced Kolb builder/pilot, following suit with modifications made by other inexperienced Kolb buider/pilots. For my own Kolbs, nothing was ever changed from the original plans until I had sufficient time flying and testing the aircraft to determine if I "really" needed to make a change. Making changes for changes sake might get you hurt, or worse. How do you know what you need if you have no experience flying a Kolb model? john h mkIII hauck's holler remote, Morgan Hill, California PS: My lap top went tits up the day I left Alabama, a month ago. Internet is far and few between for me. ;-( -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211887#211887 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.