---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/05/08: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:19 AM - List Fund Raiser (Matt Dralle) 1. 04:57 AM - Re: Painting Ailerons with Polytone (robert bean) 2. 02:12 PM - not Kolb related but worth a look... (Dana Hague) 3. 07:36 PM - Re: More Flying pictures (JetPilot) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:53 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: List Fund Raiser A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will instantly cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple. 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Third, a light coat with rustoleum automotive spray can primer will do. Never let any primer sit and get hard for more than a few days or you will have to at least re-scuff it. BB, MkIII, no peels, no flakes. On 4, Nov 2008, at 8:42 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > My Firestar has Polytone over zinc chromate and both are peeling > like a bad sunburn. My Mk III has polytone over bare aluminum with > Aerothane over that. Just learned the hard way yesterday that it > isn't sticking either. I didn't build either one but I've had very > good luck painting aluminum parts when they are acid etched and > alodined first. Just don't leave the parts in the alodine solution > too long or a powdery residue can give adhesion problems, too. For > some great ideas on alodining large parts go to the EAA Chapter > 1000 website. > > Rick > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Jim wrote: > > Mark, I covered the tubes with fabric & Painted them too with the > whole process, & it made the fabric gap seals seem like it was all > just a part of the wing. Polytone will NOT stick to aluminum. I`m > sure , though, that if you primed the tubes with epoxy primer, then > sprayed polytone on top of tacky primer, you would also be happy > with the results. > Jim Kmet > MK-3C > Cookeville, TN > I don`t know who will win the election, but I do know who the > losers are. Us! > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark rinehart" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:47 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: Painting Ailerons with Polytone > > > > I'm getting ready to put the color coat on the flaps and ailerons, > and wondering what to do with aluminum torque tubes. The PolyFiber > manual says Polytone may or may not stick to aluminum. If I prime > the aluminum tubes and then spray with polytone will that work? How > have others handled this part of the painting? Thanks. > > Mark Rinehart > Kolb MkIII in Indy > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:17 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Kolb-List: not Kolb related but worth a look... ... but it IS airplane related. Found on another list, some spectacular photos from Alaska. Sadly the pilot/photographer, Shaun Lunt, is no longer with us after a low altitude stall/spin earlier this year. http://www.shaunlunt.typepad.com/ At the risk of starting something, note the VG's on his SuperCub... -Dana do not archive -- The number of elected federal officials is limited to congress, the president and the vice president. That's only 537 people. The federal bureaucracy numbers in the millions..... ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:22 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: More Flying pictures From: "JetPilot" Hi Grant, Thats great news on your 503, your performance numbers are impressive for a MK III with that engine, being light makes a much bigger difference in Kolbs than I would have ever thought. I am surprised to see that you are flying with 20 pounds of ballast when alone, I weigh the same as you do and have never used ballast, but my empty weight is about 650 pounds empty, the 912-S is heavy and changes the way weight and balance works out quite a bit... I adjusted my elevator trim with fixed aerodynamic tabs so that my Kolb flys straight and level with me alone using no spring trim. I add spring trim in depending on the weight of the passenger, I have carried a 220 pound passenger and still have some trim range to spare. One other thing that surprised me about the Kolb was how much flap rigging can affect roll trim, use great care to get each flap at exactly at the same angle to keep them from inducing a roll. In the end, I used a digital level to rig the flaps perfectly level with each other and used Kolbs adjustable Rear attachment brackets to adjust each wing at exactly same angle in relation to the fuselage. This resulted in a my airplane flying level with no trim tabs needed on the ailerons, I have trim tabs on my ailerons but they are neutral... My Kolb flys straight hands off and stays level in a stall. I am not home now, but I will post some pictures I took of the adjustable brackets from Kolb when I get back. I also have some cool videos I will edit and post as soon as I am get to my computer. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! 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