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1. 06:08 AM - Re: Re: Econo Miser!! (Jack B. Hart)
2. 07:23 AM - Rotax 377 on UltraStar (jb92563)
3. 08:09 AM - Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (herb)
4. 10:50 AM - Re: Looking to buy (jb92563)
5. 11:11 AM - Re: Looking to buy (Thom Riddle)
6. 11:32 AM - Re: Looking to buy (John T. Schmidt)
7. 01:51 PM - Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (jb92563)
8. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (herb)
9. 02:54 PM - Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (jb92563)
10. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (herb)
11. 03:57 PM - Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (jb92563)
12. 04:01 PM - 503 cabin heater (Tom Jones)
13. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (herb)
14. 04:10 PM - Re: 503 cabin heater (herb)
15. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: Looking to buy (Richard Girard)
16. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: Looking to buy (Richard Girard)
17. 06:42 PM - Engine Weight limit (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
18. 07:41 PM - Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
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Subject: | Re: Econo Miser!! |
FireFlyer's & Kolbers,
One thing I failed to mention. With the needle raised 1/2 slot above the
normal winter position, the system can raise the EGT at least 150 degrees F.
On the last test flight it required 3.0 inches of water vacuum to bring the
EGT up to the desired temperature.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Rotax 377 on UltraStar |
I have been fumbling with my Cuyuna UL-202 trying to get the CHT temps in range
without much sucess.
The engine had seized a rear piston before I got it, but I replaced the piston
& rings and honed the cylinder and now that is the cooler cylinder.
The front Fan cylinder always goes past 420 at WOT on the ground.
I did however find a good deal on a nearly new Rotax 377 and bought it.
I am thinking it should make a fine replacement and should not have the same cooling
issues.
Has anyone tried a Rotax 377 on a Kolb?
I should be able to keep the existing belt re-drive with only a little modification
to make it fit the 377.
The rest of the install should be straight forward as even the muffler is a perfect
fit on the Rotax header.
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Ray
Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
Moni MotorGlider
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar |
Ray
Forgot to mention...have a new set of pistons and rings for the
377. green dot... 61.93 mm Herb
At 09:22 AM 11/7/2008, you wrote:
>
>I have been fumbling with my Cuyuna UL-202 trying to get the CHT
>temps in range without much sucess.
>
>The engine had seized a rear piston before I got it, but I replaced
>the piston & rings and honed the cylinder and now that is the cooler cylinder.
>
>The front Fan cylinder always goes past 420 at WOT on the ground.
>
>I did however find a good deal on a nearly new Rotax 377 and bought it.
>
>I am thinking it should make a fine replacement and should not have
>the same cooling issues.
>
>Has anyone tried a Rotax 377 on a Kolb?
>
>I should be able to keep the existing belt re-drive with only a
>little modification to make it fit the 377.
>
>The rest of the install should be straight forward as even the
>muffler is a perfect fit on the Rotax header.
>
>--------
>Ray
>
>Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
>Moni MotorGlider
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Subject: | Re: Looking to buy |
Jeez, is it the impression of the E-LSA 2 seater folks that after 2010 you can
no longer give instruction or even fly them anymore.
Is the Letter of deviation a way of keeping your 2 seater E-LSA from becomming
illegal?
Sorry to rehash this but I am looking for some clarification and if I read the
the regs it will only lead to more confusion.
I suppose you can reregister it as an Amatuer Built Experimental as well and still
fly it but not instruct for mone?
I find it all rather confusing and open to too much interpretation.
Ray
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Ray
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Subject: | Re: Looking to buy |
Ray,
In the LSA AIRPLANE arena after the expiration date of Jan 31, 2010, those ELSA
and Exp A/B aircraft that are currently allowed to be used for training, will
no longer be allowed to do so. The regular (non-training) ELSAs will still be
allowed to be used for personal use including carrying passengers. There is no
expiration date for these non-training ELSA airplanes. It is my understanding
that those ELSAs that are currently approved for training via their current
temporary training airworthiness certificate (I have a friend with a Sky Ranger
with this temporary A/W certificate) will have to have this certificate replaced
with a regular ELSA A/W certificate like the vast majority of us have. If
he doesn't exchange the temporary training a/w certificate for a regular one,
then that airplane is illegal to fly at all after the Jan 31, 2010 date, period.
After this expiration date, only type certificated airplanes (Cubs, T-craft, etc)
and SLSA airplanes will be allowed to be used as trainers or for renting. The
LODA rules are complex and based on my research, will not be granted for general
Sport Pilot training in ELSA airplanes because there are alternatives available.
I hope this helps clarify the situation.
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Thom Riddle
CFI-SP
Power Plant Mechanic
N1208P RANS S6S, Tailwheel, 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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Subject: | Re: Looking to buy |
Ray: Greetings get back to me please on my private e-mail as listed and I will
speak to your questions and clarify your concerns with accuracy. Thanks.
Sincerely,
John T. Schmidt, CFI
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar |
Herb,
Did you mean that I should have some on hand due to the nature of the 377 or was
that an offer to sell them to me for my next overhaul ?
Hard to figure out meaning sometimes on email. [Wink]
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Ray
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar |
Yeah~!! Need to carry them in your flight bag..!! :-) Actually
I have friends who fly 377's and they seem no more trouble prone than
the rest..I fly a 447 on my Firefly..
Just some extra parts that I bought over the years... New... Wait
til you see the price of genuine rotax piston and ring sets!! Hope
you never need to of course..!! Herb
At 03:50 PM 11/7/2008, you wrote:
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>Herb,
>
>Did you mean that I should have some on hand due to the nature of
>the 377 or was that an offer to sell them to me for my next overhaul ?
>
>Hard to figure out meaning sometimes on email. [Wink]
>
>--------
>Ray
>
>Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar |
I also have an option to buy a $1200 Rotax 447 but though I would try the 377
first.
I feel like the 447 might be overkill on an UltraStar.
Expensive? My little logo picture plane has a Limbach VW aeroconversion and the
crank that I just replaced was $3700, so yaa, I know about those expensive aircraft
parts.....I guess everyone needs to make a living.
[Shocked]
I would have thought however that Rotax's volumes would have lowered the price
a bit.
What would the 377 piston/rings cost, and what are you selling yours for?
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Ray
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar |
Ray
You won't be shocked by rotax prices then!! :-) I would take
60% of retail for them... according to the CPS catalog...which is the
same for most dealers or so I am told...
The Grob has a vw type engine? wow!! and ouch!!! Thats a lot
of tows...
There was an Ultra Star in Tenn. with a EA71 subaru ...direct
drive..flew very well.. so the 447 would be a zippy little engine
for it.. Recall that Dennis Souder had to fly way outside the
envelope to destroy an Ultra star..and then the only failure was with
the drag strut which was subsequently braced .. Wonder what the next
weakest point is?? :-)
Flying the Hp ? Started with sailplanes at the club in St.
Louis...always wanted a motorized one...Herb
At 04:54 PM 11/7/2008, you wrote:
>
>I also have an option to buy a $1200 Rotax 447 but though I would
>try the 377 first.
>
>I feel like the 447 might be overkill on an UltraStar.
>
>Expensive? My little logo picture plane has a Limbach VW
>aeroconversion and the crank that I just replaced was $3700, so yaa,
>I know about those expensive aircraft parts.....I guess everyone
>needs to make a living.
>[Shocked]
>
>I would have thought however that Rotax's volumes would have lowered
>the price a bit.
>
>What would the 377 piston/rings cost, and what are you selling yours for?
>
>--------
>Ray
>
>Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
>Moni MotorGlider
>Schreder HP-11 Glider
>Grob 109 Motorglider
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar |
Yep, I fly the HP-11 when ever conditions seem promising.
The HP-11 actually has a LOT of room behind the cockpit and I am actually considering
putting an engine in it for self launch capability and
have it retract into the fuselage for pure gliding.
The Rotax 377 would be a good engine for that but I was initially considering a
small jet engine, but determined that the cost and duration
and large amount of fuel required for the jet would detract too much from its gliding
capabilities of 37:1
Once I get my Moni completed in 2009 the HP-11 will be going into the garage for
its power package install in 2010.
The Grob 109 Motor glider (Logo pic) is my long range ship....600 nm on a tank
full and more if I do some gliding along the way. Does 90 kts on cruise at 2.5
gal/hr.
Now I just need to get my Kolb in the air.
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Ray
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Subject: | 503 cabin heater |
Does anyone have one of the 503 cabin heaters that aircraft spruce sells?
http://gacc.nifc.gov/swcc/predictive/outlooks/fire_behavior/reference_tables/fb_reference_tables.htm
I need to know what the diameter is where the flex ducting hooks up to the heater
and the measurement from where the heater attaches to the fan cowling to the
outside (top) of the heater. I have 503 powered Kitfox and am wondering if
this heater would fit inside the engine cowl and work in that installation.
I tried making an exhaust heater last winter and ended up calling it a dog breath
heater. It was as warm as a dog breathing on me. I need at least a 10 dog
breath heater.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar |
Woops
Thought we were on the Yahoo list for Early Kolbs...
Any rate...sounds as if you have the toys...you need a twin...Herb
At 05:56 PM 11/7/2008, you wrote:
>
>Yep, I fly the HP-11 when ever conditions seem promising.
>
>The HP-11 actually has a LOT of room behind the cockpit and I am
>actually considering putting an engine in it for self launch capability and
>have it retract into the fuselage for pure gliding.
>
>The Rotax 377 would be a good engine for that but I was initially
>considering a small jet engine, but determined that the cost and duration
>and large amount of fuel required for the jet would detract too much
>from its gliding capabilities of 37:1
>
>Once I get my Moni completed in 2009 the HP-11 will be going into
>the garage for its power package install in 2010.
>
>The Grob 109 Motor glider (Logo pic) is my long range ship....600 nm
>on a tank full and more if I do some gliding along the way. Does 90
>kts on cruise at 2.5 gal/hr.
>
>Now I just need to get my Kolb in the air.
>
>--------
>Ray
>
>Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
>Moni MotorGlider
>Schreder HP-11 Glider
>Grob 109 Motorglider
>
>
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>
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Subject: | Re: 503 cabin heater |
Heard of a three dog night...similar?
Surely the heater captures the hot air coming off of one of the
heads , using a damper set up...should be easy to make.. Herb
At 06:00 PM 11/7/2008, you wrote:
>
>Does anyone have one of the 503 cabin heaters that aircraft spruce sells?
>http://gacc.nifc.gov/swcc/predictive/outlooks/fire_behavior/reference_tables/fb_reference_tables.htm
>
>I need to know what the diameter is where the flex ducting hooks up
>to the heater and the measurement from where the heater attaches to
>the fan cowling to the outside (top) of the heater. I have 503
>powered Kitfox and am wondering if this heater would fit inside the
>engine cowl and work in that installation.
>
>I tried making an exhaust heater last winter and ended up calling it
>a dog breath heater. It was as warm as a dog breathing on me. I
>need at least a 10 dog breath heater.
>
>--------
>Tom Jones
>Classic IV
>503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
>Ellensburg, WA
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Looking to buy |
Ray, John is right and he is wrong. After January 31st 2010 you cannot use
an E-LSA for training for hire. Since the advent of the LODA you can get one
if you want to use your E-AB for transition training, BUT your aircraft must
have some special feature that makes the aircraft different enough from
standard training aircraft that a standard aircraft cannot be used for the
purpose. As an example, canard aircraft have different enough
characteristics that a 172 won't teach you about their special requirements.
This is driven as much by insurance companies as anything. At the end of
your transition training you won't receive an endorsement on your license,
but you will be able to tell XYZ Insurance Co. that you have logged 10 hours
(say) dual instruction and you have satisfied XYZ's requirements. You can't
make transition from being a non pilot to being a pilot as you can with your
E-LSA until the cut off date. As for the FAA requirements for the LODA, you
can read about it in Notice 8700-49 or 8900-15. They both say the same
thing, both are expired, but still in use by your local FSDO. The LODA is
applied for by the instructor who creates the transition training
curriculum.
You can be trained in your own aircraft since you won't be getting
compensation from yourself.
An instructor can train you to fly in his airplane if he takes no
compensation for the privilege.
It is not the Experimental certificate granted to the E-LSA that will be
changed in 2010 it is the operating limitations.
Rick
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:31 PM, John T. Schmidt <adlerflug1@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> Ray: Greetings get back to me please on my private e-mail as listed and I
> will speak to your questions and clarify your concerns with accuracy.
> Thanks.
> Sincerely,
> John T. Schmidt, CFI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
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Subject: | Re: Looking to buy |
Opps, that s/b Thom is right and he is wrong. I apologize for sloppy proof
reading.
Rick
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ray, John is right and he is wrong. After January 31st 2010 you cannot use
> an E-LSA for training for hire. Since the advent of the LODA you can get one
> if you want to use your E-AB for transition training, BUT your aircraft must
> have some special feature that makes the aircraft different enough from
> standard training aircraft that a standard aircraft cannot be used for the
> purpose. As an example, canard aircraft have different enough
> characteristics that a 172 won't teach you about their special requirements.
> This is driven as much by insurance companies as anything. At the end of
> your transition training you won't receive an endorsement on your license,
> but you will be able to tell XYZ Insurance Co. that you have logged 10 hours
> (say) dual instruction and you have satisfied XYZ's requirements. You can't
> make transition from being a non pilot to being a pilot as you can with your
> E-LSA until the cut off date. As for the FAA requirements for the LODA,
> you can read about it in Notice 8700-49 or 8900-15. They both say the same
> thing, both are expired, but still in use by your local FSDO. The LODA is
> applied for by the instructor who creates the transition training
> curriculum.
> You can be trained in your own aircraft since you won't be getting
> compensation from yourself.
> An instructor can train you to fly in his airplane if he takes no
> compensation for the privilege.
> It is not the Experimental certificate granted to the E-LSA that will be
> changed in 2010 it is the operating limitations.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:31 PM, John T. Schmidt <adlerflug1@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Ray: Greetings get back to me please on my private e-mail as listed and I
>> will speak to your questions and clarify your concerns with accuracy.
>> Thanks.
>> Sincerely,
>> John T. Schmidt, CFI
>>
>>
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Subject: | Engine Weight limit |
I didn't know if someone has already figured this out or not but
anyone know off hand what the heaviest engine a MK3 Xtra Can support and
stay within C/G limits?
Ellery in Maine
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar |
In a message dated 11/7/2008 10:23:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jb92563@yahoo.com writes:
Has anyone tried a Rotax 377 on a Kolb?
Ray
Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
Hi Ray,
The early (85~) FireStar kits were supplied with the Rotax 377 engine. I
flew mine for 442 hours. It ran much nicer than my current 447 model. It was
smoother running. Other than the bore size, about the only other major
difference was the compression ratio was higher (don't recall what it was and
no
longer have the operators manual). I used premium fuel. Also it had points
ignition, but did not require an unusual amount of maintenance to keep the
point gap or timing within spec. You'll like it.
Sometimes I regret changing it out for the 447. But at the time I thought
the crankshaft was due for replacement (preventive maintenance) and got a
slightly used 447 at a good price. Since then, I've learned that a lot of
fellows have gone 600 and 700 hours on the same crankshaft. Live and learn.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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