---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/07/08: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:08 AM - Re: Re: Econo Miser!! (Jack B. Hart) 2. 07:23 AM - Rotax 377 on UltraStar (jb92563) 3. 08:09 AM - Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (herb) 4. 10:50 AM - Re: Looking to buy (jb92563) 5. 11:11 AM - Re: Looking to buy (Thom Riddle) 6. 11:32 AM - Re: Looking to buy (John T. Schmidt) 7. 01:51 PM - Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (jb92563) 8. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (herb) 9. 02:54 PM - Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (jb92563) 10. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (herb) 11. 03:57 PM - Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (jb92563) 12. 04:01 PM - 503 cabin heater (Tom Jones) 13. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (herb) 14. 04:10 PM - Re: 503 cabin heater (herb) 15. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: Looking to buy (Richard Girard) 16. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: Looking to buy (Richard Girard) 17. 06:42 PM - Engine Weight limit (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 18. 07:41 PM - Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:15 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Econo Miser!! FireFlyer's & Kolbers, One thing I failed to mention. With the needle raised 1/2 slot above the normal winter position, the system can raise the EGT at least 150 degrees F. On the last test flight it required 3.0 inches of water vacuum to bring the EGT up to the desired temperature. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:07 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax 377 on UltraStar From: "jb92563" I have been fumbling with my Cuyuna UL-202 trying to get the CHT temps in range without much sucess. The engine had seized a rear piston before I got it, but I replaced the piston & rings and honed the cylinder and now that is the cooler cylinder. The front Fan cylinder always goes past 420 at WOT on the ground. I did however find a good deal on a nearly new Rotax 377 and bought it. I am thinking it should make a fine replacement and should not have the same cooling issues. Has anyone tried a Rotax 377 on a Kolb? I should be able to keep the existing belt re-drive with only a little modification to make it fit the 377. The rest of the install should be straight forward as even the muffler is a perfect fit on the Rotax header. -------- Ray Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) Moni MotorGlider Schreder HP-11 Glider Grob 109 Motorglider Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212900#212900 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:17 AM PST US From: herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 377 on UltraStar Ray Forgot to mention...have a new set of pistons and rings for the 377. green dot... 61.93 mm Herb At 09:22 AM 11/7/2008, you wrote: > >I have been fumbling with my Cuyuna UL-202 trying to get the CHT >temps in range without much sucess. > >The engine had seized a rear piston before I got it, but I replaced >the piston & rings and honed the cylinder and now that is the cooler cylinder. > >The front Fan cylinder always goes past 420 at WOT on the ground. > >I did however find a good deal on a nearly new Rotax 377 and bought it. > >I am thinking it should make a fine replacement and should not have >the same cooling issues. > >Has anyone tried a Rotax 377 on a Kolb? > >I should be able to keep the existing belt re-drive with only a >little modification to make it fit the 377. > >The rest of the install should be straight forward as even the >muffler is a perfect fit on the Rotax header. > >-------- >Ray > >Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) >Moni MotorGlider >Schreder HP-11 Glider >Grob 109 Motorglider > > >Do Not Archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212900#212900 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:41 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking to buy From: "jb92563" Jeez, is it the impression of the E-LSA 2 seater folks that after 2010 you can no longer give instruction or even fly them anymore. Is the Letter of deviation a way of keeping your 2 seater E-LSA from becomming illegal? Sorry to rehash this but I am looking for some clarification and if I read the the regs it will only lead to more confusion. I suppose you can reregister it as an Amatuer Built Experimental as well and still fly it but not instruct for mone? I find it all rather confusing and open to too much interpretation. Ray -------- Ray Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) Moni MotorGlider Schreder HP-11 Glider Grob 109 Motorglider Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212924#212924 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:57 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking to buy From: "Thom Riddle" Ray, In the LSA AIRPLANE arena after the expiration date of Jan 31, 2010, those ELSA and Exp A/B aircraft that are currently allowed to be used for training, will no longer be allowed to do so. The regular (non-training) ELSAs will still be allowed to be used for personal use including carrying passengers. There is no expiration date for these non-training ELSA airplanes. It is my understanding that those ELSAs that are currently approved for training via their current temporary training airworthiness certificate (I have a friend with a Sky Ranger with this temporary A/W certificate) will have to have this certificate replaced with a regular ELSA A/W certificate like the vast majority of us have. If he doesn't exchange the temporary training a/w certificate for a regular one, then that airplane is illegal to fly at all after the Jan 31, 2010 date, period. After this expiration date, only type certificated airplanes (Cubs, T-craft, etc) and SLSA airplanes will be allowed to be used as trainers or for renting. The LODA rules are complex and based on my research, will not be granted for general Sport Pilot training in ELSA airplanes because there are alternatives available. I hope this helps clarify the situation. -------- Thom Riddle CFI-SP Power Plant Mechanic N1208P RANS S6S, Tailwheel, 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- Scratch any cynic, he said, and youll find a disappointed idealist. George Carlin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212927#212927 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:32:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking to buy From: "John T. Schmidt" Ray: Greetings get back to me please on my private e-mail as listed and I will speak to your questions and clarify your concerns with accuracy. Thanks. Sincerely, John T. Schmidt, CFI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212932#212932 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:03 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar From: "jb92563" Herb, Did you mean that I should have some on hand due to the nature of the 377 or was that an offer to sell them to me for my next overhaul ? Hard to figure out meaning sometimes on email. [Wink] -------- Ray Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) Moni MotorGlider Schreder HP-11 Glider Grob 109 Motorglider Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212950#212950 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:03 PM PST US From: herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar Yeah~!! Need to carry them in your flight bag..!! :-) Actually I have friends who fly 377's and they seem no more trouble prone than the rest..I fly a 447 on my Firefly.. Just some extra parts that I bought over the years... New... Wait til you see the price of genuine rotax piston and ring sets!! Hope you never need to of course..!! Herb At 03:50 PM 11/7/2008, you wrote: > >Herb, > >Did you mean that I should have some on hand due to the nature of >the 377 or was that an offer to sell them to me for my next overhaul ? > >Hard to figure out meaning sometimes on email. [Wink] > >-------- >Ray > >Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) >Moni MotorGlider >Schreder HP-11 Glider >Grob 109 Motorglider > > >Do Not Archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212950#212950 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:26 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar From: "jb92563" I also have an option to buy a $1200 Rotax 447 but though I would try the 377 first. I feel like the 447 might be overkill on an UltraStar. Expensive? My little logo picture plane has a Limbach VW aeroconversion and the crank that I just replaced was $3700, so yaa, I know about those expensive aircraft parts.....I guess everyone needs to make a living. [Shocked] I would have thought however that Rotax's volumes would have lowered the price a bit. What would the 377 piston/rings cost, and what are you selling yours for? -------- Ray Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) Moni MotorGlider Schreder HP-11 Glider Grob 109 Motorglider Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212956#212956 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:21 PM PST US From: herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar Ray You won't be shocked by rotax prices then!! :-) I would take 60% of retail for them... according to the CPS catalog...which is the same for most dealers or so I am told... The Grob has a vw type engine? wow!! and ouch!!! Thats a lot of tows... There was an Ultra Star in Tenn. with a EA71 subaru ...direct drive..flew very well.. so the 447 would be a zippy little engine for it.. Recall that Dennis Souder had to fly way outside the envelope to destroy an Ultra star..and then the only failure was with the drag strut which was subsequently braced .. Wonder what the next weakest point is?? :-) Flying the Hp ? Started with sailplanes at the club in St. Louis...always wanted a motorized one...Herb At 04:54 PM 11/7/2008, you wrote: > >I also have an option to buy a $1200 Rotax 447 but though I would >try the 377 first. > >I feel like the 447 might be overkill on an UltraStar. > >Expensive? My little logo picture plane has a Limbach VW >aeroconversion and the crank that I just replaced was $3700, so yaa, >I know about those expensive aircraft parts.....I guess everyone >needs to make a living. >[Shocked] > >I would have thought however that Rotax's volumes would have lowered >the price a bit. > >What would the 377 piston/rings cost, and what are you selling yours for? > >-------- >Ray > >Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) >Moni MotorGlider >Schreder HP-11 Glider >Grob 109 Motorglider > > >Do Not Archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212956#212956 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:21 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar From: "jb92563" Yep, I fly the HP-11 when ever conditions seem promising. The HP-11 actually has a LOT of room behind the cockpit and I am actually considering putting an engine in it for self launch capability and have it retract into the fuselage for pure gliding. The Rotax 377 would be a good engine for that but I was initially considering a small jet engine, but determined that the cost and duration and large amount of fuel required for the jet would detract too much from its gliding capabilities of 37:1 Once I get my Moni completed in 2009 the HP-11 will be going into the garage for its power package install in 2010. The Grob 109 Motor glider (Logo pic) is my long range ship....600 nm on a tank full and more if I do some gliding along the way. Does 90 kts on cruise at 2.5 gal/hr. Now I just need to get my Kolb in the air. -------- Ray Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) Moni MotorGlider Schreder HP-11 Glider Grob 109 Motorglider Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212963#212963 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:53 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: 503 cabin heater From: "Tom Jones" Does anyone have one of the 503 cabin heaters that aircraft spruce sells? http://gacc.nifc.gov/swcc/predictive/outlooks/fire_behavior/reference_tables/fb_reference_tables.htm I need to know what the diameter is where the flex ducting hooks up to the heater and the measurement from where the heater attaches to the fan cowling to the outside (top) of the heater. I have 503 powered Kitfox and am wondering if this heater would fit inside the engine cowl and work in that installation. I tried making an exhaust heater last winter and ended up calling it a dog breath heater. It was as warm as a dog breathing on me. I need at least a 10 dog breath heater. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212964#212964 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:35 PM PST US From: herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar Woops Thought we were on the Yahoo list for Early Kolbs... Any rate...sounds as if you have the toys...you need a twin...Herb At 05:56 PM 11/7/2008, you wrote: > >Yep, I fly the HP-11 when ever conditions seem promising. > >The HP-11 actually has a LOT of room behind the cockpit and I am >actually considering putting an engine in it for self launch capability and >have it retract into the fuselage for pure gliding. > >The Rotax 377 would be a good engine for that but I was initially >considering a small jet engine, but determined that the cost and duration >and large amount of fuel required for the jet would detract too much >from its gliding capabilities of 37:1 > >Once I get my Moni completed in 2009 the HP-11 will be going into >the garage for its power package install in 2010. > >The Grob 109 Motor glider (Logo pic) is my long range ship....600 nm >on a tank full and more if I do some gliding along the way. Does 90 >kts on cruise at 2.5 gal/hr. > >Now I just need to get my Kolb in the air. > >-------- >Ray > >Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) >Moni MotorGlider >Schreder HP-11 Glider >Grob 109 Motorglider > > >Do Not Archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212963#212963 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:49 PM PST US From: herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 cabin heater Heard of a three dog night...similar? Surely the heater captures the hot air coming off of one of the heads , using a damper set up...should be easy to make.. Herb At 06:00 PM 11/7/2008, you wrote: > >Does anyone have one of the 503 cabin heaters that aircraft spruce sells? >http://gacc.nifc.gov/swcc/predictive/outlooks/fire_behavior/reference_tables/fb_reference_tables.htm > >I need to know what the diameter is where the flex ducting hooks up >to the heater and the measurement from where the heater attaches to >the fan cowling to the outside (top) of the heater. I have 503 >powered Kitfox and am wondering if this heater would fit inside the >engine cowl and work in that installation. > >I tried making an exhaust heater last winter and ended up calling it >a dog breath heater. It was as warm as a dog breathing on me. I >need at least a 10 dog breath heater. > >-------- >Tom Jones >Classic IV >503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp >Ellensburg, WA > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212964#212964 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:55 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Looking to buy Ray, John is right and he is wrong. After January 31st 2010 you cannot use an E-LSA for training for hire. Since the advent of the LODA you can get one if you want to use your E-AB for transition training, BUT your aircraft must have some special feature that makes the aircraft different enough from standard training aircraft that a standard aircraft cannot be used for the purpose. As an example, canard aircraft have different enough characteristics that a 172 won't teach you about their special requirements. This is driven as much by insurance companies as anything. At the end of your transition training you won't receive an endorsement on your license, but you will be able to tell XYZ Insurance Co. that you have logged 10 hours (say) dual instruction and you have satisfied XYZ's requirements. You can't make transition from being a non pilot to being a pilot as you can with your E-LSA until the cut off date. As for the FAA requirements for the LODA, you can read about it in Notice 8700-49 or 8900-15. They both say the same thing, both are expired, but still in use by your local FSDO. The LODA is applied for by the instructor who creates the transition training curriculum. You can be trained in your own aircraft since you won't be getting compensation from yourself. An instructor can train you to fly in his airplane if he takes no compensation for the privilege. It is not the Experimental certificate granted to the E-LSA that will be changed in 2010 it is the operating limitations. Rick On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:31 PM, John T. Schmidt wrote: > > Ray: Greetings get back to me please on my private e-mail as listed and I > will speak to your questions and clarify your concerns with accuracy. > Thanks. > Sincerely, > John T. Schmidt, CFI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212932#212932 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:16 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Looking to buy Opps, that s/b Thom is right and he is wrong. I apologize for sloppy proof reading. Rick On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Ray, John is right and he is wrong. After January 31st 2010 you cannot use > an E-LSA for training for hire. Since the advent of the LODA you can get one > if you want to use your E-AB for transition training, BUT your aircraft must > have some special feature that makes the aircraft different enough from > standard training aircraft that a standard aircraft cannot be used for the > purpose. As an example, canard aircraft have different enough > characteristics that a 172 won't teach you about their special requirements. > This is driven as much by insurance companies as anything. At the end of > your transition training you won't receive an endorsement on your license, > but you will be able to tell XYZ Insurance Co. that you have logged 10 hours > (say) dual instruction and you have satisfied XYZ's requirements. You can't > make transition from being a non pilot to being a pilot as you can with your > E-LSA until the cut off date. As for the FAA requirements for the LODA, > you can read about it in Notice 8700-49 or 8900-15. They both say the same > thing, both are expired, but still in use by your local FSDO. The LODA is > applied for by the instructor who creates the transition training > curriculum. > You can be trained in your own aircraft since you won't be getting > compensation from yourself. > An instructor can train you to fly in his airplane if he takes no > compensation for the privilege. > It is not the Experimental certificate granted to the E-LSA that will be > changed in 2010 it is the operating limitations. > > Rick > > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:31 PM, John T. Schmidt wrote: > >> >> Ray: Greetings get back to me please on my private e-mail as listed and I >> will speak to your questions and clarify your concerns with accuracy. >> Thanks. >> Sincerely, >> John T. Schmidt, CFI >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212932#212932 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:22 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Engine Weight limit I didn't know if someone has already figured this out or not but anyone know off hand what the heaviest engine a MK3 Xtra Can support and stay within C/G limits? Ellery in Maine do not archive **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:20 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 377 on UltraStar In a message dated 11/7/2008 10:23:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jb92563@yahoo.com writes: Has anyone tried a Rotax 377 on a Kolb? Ray Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) Hi Ray, The early (85~) FireStar kits were supplied with the Rotax 377 engine. I flew mine for 442 hours. It ran much nicer than my current 447 model. It was smoother running. Other than the bore size, about the only other major difference was the compression ratio was higher (don't recall what it was and no longer have the operators manual). I used premium fuel. Also it had points ignition, but did not require an unusual amount of maintenance to keep the point gap or timing within spec. You'll like it. Sometimes I regret changing it out for the 447. But at the time I thought the crankshaft was due for replacement (preventive maintenance) and got a slightly used 447 at a good price. Since then, I've learned that a lot of fellows have gone 600 and 700 hours on the same crankshaft. Live and learn. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. 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