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Sun 11/30/08


Total Messages Posted: 16



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     0. 12:08 AM - Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser! (Matt Dralle)
     1. 06:25 AM - Re: lubrication on hinges (cristalclear13)
     2. 06:43 AM - Re: corrosion in the tube (robert bean)
     3. 08:12 AM - Re: corrosion in the tube (Jack B. Hart)
     4. 11:11 AM - Re: lubrication on hinges (cristalclear13)
     5. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: lubrication on hinges (robert bean)
     6. 01:01 PM - Re: Need info Re: GPL electric starter (Eugene Zimmerman)
     7. 02:02 PM - Re: Re: lubrication on hinges (russ kinne)
     8. 02:55 PM - Re: lubrication on hinges (JetPilot)
     9. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: lubrication on hinges (robert bean)
    10. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: lubrication on hinges (russ kinne)
    11. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: lubrication on hinges (Dana Hague)
    12. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: lubrication on hinges (russ kinne)
    13. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: lubrication on hinges (Dana Hague)
    14. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: lubrication on hinges (Jack B. Hart)
    15. 08:29 PM - Dave Bigelow (Larry Cottrell)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:08:57 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser!
    Dear Listers, Its November 30th and that means three things:.. 1) Today I am now officially 45 years old... 2) It marks that last "official" day of this year's List Fund Raiser! 3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way to keep the List bills paid. I will be posting the List of Contributors next week so make sure your name is on it! Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It is greatly appreciated. http://www.matronics.com/contribution Best regards, Matt Dralle Email List and Forum Administrator


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    Time: 06:25:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
    From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
    I found this quote from about a year ago from a similar question asked by JetPilot, but where would I find that product (graphite spray) and is there a particular product that is better/easier to work with? jb92563 wrote: > A dry lube like graphite spray would be good. > > Wet sticky lubes get dirt and grit mixed in them and cause faster erosion of the metal parts....definitely not a good thing. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217036#217036


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    Time: 06:43:27 AM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: corrosion in the tube
    Are you speaking of the tail boom tube? Since it's aluminum the rust is coming from something else. Cables? H-member? Linseed oil reduced with lacquer thinner makes a pretty good preservative. Careful around paint though. BB On 29, Nov 2008, at 11:57 PM, cristalclear13 wrote: > <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com> > > I'm seeing some rust on the inside bottom backside of my tube. > > I can't see very far into the tube. Does anyone have any ideas of > a way to inspect the entire inside of the tube? > > And what's a good way to treat the rust in there? > > -------- > Cristal Waters > Kolb Mark II Twinstar > Rotax 503 DCSI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216946#216946 > >


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    Time: 08:12:55 AM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: Re: corrosion in the tube
    At 08:57 PM 11/29/08 -0800, you wrote: > >I'm seeing some rust on the inside bottom backside of my tube. > >I can't see very far into the tube. Does anyone have any ideas of a way to inspect the entire inside of the tube? > >And what's a good way to treat the rust in there? > >-------- Cristal, There are all kinds of rust killers on the market. From the following site: "DESCRIPTION: GEM RUST KILLER & Metal Prep is a balanced formula of phosphoric acid, wetting agent and extenders. It causes rust (iron oxide) to chemically change to iron phosphate, which turns the metal black. A coat of paint then attaches itself so closely to the metal that moisture and oxygen cannot attack the surface and results in a much longer lasting paint job." http://www.gemrustkiller.com/ I don't know what phosphoric acid will do to aluminum. You might want to test it first. If you are talking about the tail end of the boom tube, you might consider periodically spraying it with WD40. It will drive out the moisture and prevent further corrosion. Also there is a electrolysis problem between the steel ring around the aluminum tube. If you can convert the iron oxide to iron phosphate, it may provide a stronger barrier to the dissimilar metal problem. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN


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    Time: 11:11:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
    From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
    Sorry to keep posting to my own thread. I guess I could just edit the original thread. Has anyone heard of or used ACF-50? I found a reference to that in the archives and here is the link to aircraft spruce: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/acf50.php Or perhaps no one lubricates their hinges? -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217066#217066


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    Time: 11:39:56 AM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
    Most of us never get around to it until the hinges start getting sloppy. Procrastinators. The ACF is likely ok but the $$$$ ?? Jack, I fell out of love with WD40 years ago when it failed to protect some machine tools in the basement. Advance Auto MPL is better and cheaper. John H. usually intercedes here with a pitch for Tube Seal. Good for inside those steel pipes. BB On 30, Nov 2008, at 2:11 PM, cristalclear13 wrote: > <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com> > > Sorry to keep posting to my own thread. I guess I could just edit > the original thread. > > Has anyone heard of or used ACF-50? I found a reference to that in > the archives and here is the link to aircraft spruce: > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/acf50.php > > Or perhaps no one lubricates their hinges? > > -------- > Cristal Waters > Kolb Mark II Twinstar > Rotax 503 DCSI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217066#217066 > >


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    Time: 01:01:30 PM PST US
    From: Eugene Zimmerman <ez@embarqmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Need info re: GPL electric starter
    Arty, Check out this. It is not a manual but may be of interest. http://www.aerocontrols.net/OIL_INJECTION_INSTRUCTIONS.pdf I have had two different GPL starters in the past. They do work fine if set up correctly. gear spacing is critical. There is some variation in individual engines that must be properly accounted for. Installation instructions I found to very sufficient. Gene On Nov 29, 2008, at 7:23 PM, TheWanderingWench wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > Do any of you have experience with the GPL Electric starter? I'm > trying to find a manual on-line; the company, GPL Enterprises, is > now a Hovercraft company and I don't find any info related to the > electric starter on the website. (I have a phone #, which I'll call > on Monday.) > > Thanks for any help you can give me - > > Arty Trost > Sandy, Oregon > > www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com > > "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" > Helen Keller > > "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." > >


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    Time: 02:02:02 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russ@rkiphoto.com>
    Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
    I've been told that the airlines and the military stopped using WD-40 because it caused corrosion if used for a long time. Anyone else ever heard this? It seems to work fine do not archive On Nov 30, 2008, at 2:39 PM, robert bean wrote: > > Most of us never get around to it until the hinges start getting > sloppy. Procrastinators. > The ACF is likely ok but the $$$$ ?? > Jack, I fell out of love with WD40 years ago when it failed to > protect some machine tools in the basement. > Advance Auto MPL is better and cheaper. > > John H. usually intercedes here with a pitch for Tube Seal. Good > for inside those steel pipes. > BB > > On 30, Nov 2008, at 2:11 PM, cristalclear13 wrote: > >> <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com> >> >> Sorry to keep posting to my own thread. I guess I could just edit >> the original thread. >> >> Has anyone heard of or used ACF-50? I found a reference to that >> in the archives and here is the link to aircraft spruce: >> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/acf50.php >> >> Or perhaps no one lubricates their hinges? >> >> -------- >> Cristal Waters >> Kolb Mark II Twinstar >> Rotax 503 DCSI >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217066#217066 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 02:55:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    I never use WD-40 as a lubricant. Even though it has some lubricating properties, ( so does water !! ) WD-40 is not designed as a lubricant. WD in WD-40 stands for Water Displacer... It is much to think to be a very effective lubricant in most cases. JettPilot -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217081#217081


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    Time: 02:56:20 PM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
    This will give you insight on WD-40. They made, and still are, a ton of money with a simple mix. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40 It does displace water well and is good for a temporary fix on a bad distributor cap (TEMPORARY) The residuals are scant and therefore does not make a good lube or rust protection. LPS has a good variety of products. BB On 30, Nov 2008, at 5:01 PM, russ kinne wrote: > > I've been told that the airlines and the military stopped using > WD-40 because it caused corrosion if used for a long time. > Anyone else ever heard this? It seems to work fine > do not archive > > On Nov 30, 2008, at 2:39 PM, robert bean wrote: > >> >> Most of us never get around to it until the hinges start getting >> sloppy. Procrastinators. >> The ACF is likely ok but the $$$$ ?? >> Jack, I fell out of love with WD40 years ago when it failed to >> protect some machine tools in the basement. >> Advance Auto MPL is better and cheaper. >> >> John H. usually intercedes here with a pitch for Tube Seal. Good >> for inside those steel pipes. >> BB >> >> On 30, Nov 2008, at 2:11 PM, cristalclear13 wrote: >> >>> <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com> >>> >>> Sorry to keep posting to my own thread. I guess I could just >>> edit the original thread. >>> >>> Has anyone heard of or used ACF-50? I found a reference to that >>> in the archives and here is the link to aircraft spruce: >>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/acf50.php >>> >>> Or perhaps no one lubricates their hinges? >>> >>> -------- >>> Cristal Waters >>> Kolb Mark II Twinstar >>> Rotax 503 DCSI >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217066#217066 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 04:21:12 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russ@rkiphoto.com>
    Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
    Jetpilot Pls pardon my effrontery in correcting you (!!), slightly; but WD stands for Water Dispersant do not archive On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:55 PM, JetPilot wrote: > > I never use WD-40 as a lubricant. Even though it has some > lubricating properties, ( so does water !! ) WD-40 is not designed > as a lubricant. > > WD in WD-40 stands for Water Displacer... It is much to think to > be a very effective lubricant in most cases. > > JettPilot > > -------- > &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast > as you could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217081#217081 > >


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    Time: 04:41:13 PM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
    At 07:20 PM 11/30/2008, russ kinne wrote: > >Jetpilot >Pls pardon my effrontery in correcting you (!!), slightly; but >WD stands for Water Dispersant Picky, picky... but you're both wrong! It stands for "Water Displacement", according to the WD-40 website. I can attest to that... after dunking my PPG engine in salt water some years ago, I drained out the water, put most of a can of WD-40 through it, and got it running again. Without ever disassembling the engine, it now has another couple hundred hours on it, and it's still running fine. -Dana do not archive -- Why is it that doctors call what they do "practice"?


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    Time: 05:02:56 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russ@rkiphoto.com>
    Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
    Dana, All I can say is "you may be right" But Wiki says it's water-dispersant, and I know it used to be. If they've changed it, then I was wrong, and I apologize. But a minor matter at best! I used a bunch of it when a burst water-pipe soaked a whole slew of handguns, years ago, and they all came thru looking like new. I was most grateful. Tell us the gory details of how your PPG got soaked?? Russ do not archive On Nov 30, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Dana Hague wrote: > At 07:20 PM 11/30/2008, russ kinne wrote: >> >> Jetpilot >> Pls pardon my effrontery in correcting you (!!), slightly; but >> WD stands for Water Dispersant > > Picky, picky... but you're both wrong! It stands for "Water > Displacement", according to the WD-40 website. > > I can attest to that... after dunking my PPG engine in salt water > some years ago, I drained out the water, put most of a can of WD-40 > through it, and got it running again. Without ever disassembling > the engine, it now has another couple hundred hours on it, and it's > still running fine. > > -Dana > > do not archive > -- > Why is it that doctors call what they do "practice"? >


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    Time: 05:25:45 PM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
    At 08:02 PM 11/30/2008, russ kinne wrote: >Dana, >All I can say is "you may be right" >But Wiki says it's water-dispersant, and I know it used to be. If they've >changed it, then I was wrong, and I apologize. >But a minor matter at best! Remember, ANYBODY can log in and edit a Wiki... whether they know what they're talking about or not. It's incredibly useful... but never the final, authoritative source. But see: http://www.wd40company.com/about/history "It took them 40 attempts to get the water displacing formula worked out. But they must have been really good, because the original secret formula for WD-40which stands for Water Displacement perfected on the 40th tryis still in use today." >Tell us the gory details of how your PPG got soaked?? http://usppamembers.org/incidents/incident_view_only_public.cfm?key'.27336&myYear 05 http://www.ctchutes.com/Photos/Danaswims/ -Dana do not archive -- The speed of light is greater than the speed of sound. That's why some people seem very bright until you hear them speak.


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    Time: 06:13:36 PM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
    At 11:11 AM 11/30/08 -0800, you wrote: > >Or perhaps no one lubricates their hinges? > >-------- Cristal, I have tried to lubricate the hinges on my FireFly. This is because the piano hinges on the left wing seem to take a beating from the propeller. I stopped lubricating them, as it did not seem to help and it does make a mess. I have replaced hinge pins on the inner left hinge twice and once in the middle hinge in about 250 hours. The last time I bushed the hinges with a teflon tube and installed a smaller id hinge pin. At this time I have over 15 hours on the repair and things look good. If your pins are showing wear and the hinges rattle when the aileron is shook by hand, you may want to check out: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly143.html Fly safe! Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN


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    Time: 08:29:32 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: Dave Bigelow
    Sorry guys, I need to get some help from Dave Bigelow, please contact me off list. Larry C do not archive




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