---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/06/08: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:50 AM - Re: El Paso, Texas (pj.ladd) 2. 04:00 AM - Re: fixed my screw up (Jimmy Young) 3. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: fixed my screw up (robert bean) 4. 07:55 AM - Re: El Paso, Texas (John Hauck) 5. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: fixed my screw up (John Hauck) 6. 11:50 AM - Re: Fixed my screw up (william sullivan) 7. 02:32 PM - Re: Re: fixed my screw up (HShack@aol.com) 8. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: fixed my screw up (HShack@aol.com) 9. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: fixed my screw up (Jimmy Young) 10. 09:31 PM - Re: Re: fixed my screw up (Larry Cottrell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:48 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: El Paso, Texas You are both still ugly.... > and that there ain't a Kolb..>> Hi, why do inventors go to all the trouble of building a streamlined, polished, painted machine before there is any proof that it will work? Hours of panel beating etc,panel design and so on. Did they never see the original `flying bedstead` lash up which we used as a proof of concept before we came up with a fully furnished `Harrier` Get it flying first, then make it pretty. Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:58 AM PST US From: Jimmy Young Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fixed my screw up John H wrote: >>During the repairs, we developed 4130 gear legs, extending them all the way in the socket until they bottomed out at the intersection of the two sockets. Never had another gear leg shear the socket again<< John, I have read most of the archives on the 4130 gearleg topic. I also read Larry Cottrell's posts along the same subject. Since I already had one brand new alum leg, I just ordered one more to save a little time. Changing out to 4130 gearlegs may be the next project in line right behind building an enclosed canopy. I've missed 3 months of the best flying weather here in the Houston area, and those open sides get pretty chilly. I did get another photo taken outside I wanted to share. I know no one is more interested than me in it, but sorry, I feel like a proud papa showing pictures of his new baby! Jimmy Y FS II, Angleton TX ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:07 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fixed my screw up Jimmy, I think it looks great. Doing a nice job yields pride of ownership that an "out of the box" owner will never have. Let us know what you think of those fat tires after flying it for a while. BB MkIII, suzuki G10 On 6, Dec 2008, at 6:58 AM, Jimmy Young wrote: > John H wrote: > > >>During the repairs, we developed 4130 gear legs, extending them > all the way > in the socket until they bottomed out at the intersection of the two > sockets. Never had another gear leg shear the socket again<< > John, > I have read most of the archives on the 4130 gearleg topic. I also > read Larry Cottrell's posts along the same subject. Since I already > had one brand new alum leg, I just ordered one more to save a > little time. > Changing out to 4130 gearlegs may be the next project in line right > behind building an enclosed canopy. I've missed 3 months of the > best flying weather here in the Houston area, and those open sides > get pretty chilly. > I did get another photo taken outside I wanted to share. I know no > one is more interested than me in it, but sorry, I feel like a > proud papa showing pictures of his new baby! > Jimmy Y > FS II, Angleton TX > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:27 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: El Paso, Texas > Get it flying first, then make it pretty. > > Pat Patrick: It has been flying for quite some time now. john h Palo Pinto, Texas (Where I lived 40 years ago during Primary Helicopter Flight Training at Fort Wolters, Texas.) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:39 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fixed my screw up Jimmy Y: I don't think I did a very good job of explaining my most important point of my last msg. Old Kold designed the gear legs to end at the midpoint of the socket, the weakest point of the socket. That is why it sheared when you landed a little hard. Didn't take rocket science to figure out pushing the leg all the way into the socket until it bottomed out would spread the load through out the entire socket, instead of concentrating it at the midpoint which is weakest. Acts like a shear. john h Vernon, Tx I have read most of the archives on the 4130 gearleg topic. I also read Larry Cottrell's posts along the same subject. Since I already had one brand new alum leg, I just ordered one more to save a little time. Jimmy Y ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:50:48 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fixed my screw up - Jimmy- Looks great, but how hard did you hit?- Any other damage? -M y right leg bent back, but the bend ended at the entry point of the "Y".- No damage to the steel "Y".- I have the old 1" aluminum legs, and I trie d to remove the aluminum bushing.- I will probably have to drill or ream it out. - ------------------------- ---------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ---------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:16 PM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fixed my screw up I made a post about 3 yrs. ago about this same thing. Fortunately, the socket broke after taxiing about 30 ft. from the hangar. The other socket was almost broken, also. I bought a new cage instead of welding [glad I did 'cause I got the new style stick]. If you have a FSII kitted before '97 [maybe even later than that], then you may have the short gear legs & are headed for a major repair if you don't replace with the longer ones. Howard Shackleford FS II SC In a message dated 12/6/2008 2:08:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: Old Kold designed the gear legs to end at the midpoint of the socket, the weakest point of the socket. That is why it sheared when you landed a little hard **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:24 PM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fixed my screw up I never had a hard landing; it was just metal fatigue from maybe 1500 landings. Howard Shackleford FS II SC In a message dated 12/6/2008 5:32:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, HShack@aol.com writes: Old Kold designed the gear legs to end at the midpoint of the socket, the weakest point of the socket. That is why it sheared when you landed a little hard **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:30 PM PST US From: Jimmy Young Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Re: fixed my screw up Bill Sullivan wrote: >>Jimmy- Looks great, but how hard did you hit?- Any other damage?<< Bill, I hit pretty darn hard. Didn't knock the breath out of me or anything, but I think I was at least 15' over the runway, maybe even more, when I stalled it. Dropped like a rock. I've already beat myself up over all the things I did wrong and what I should have done. I accepted the fact that it's time to get her fixed and lucky I didn't get hurt. No other damage other than I knocked the strobe light off the left wingtip. I hope you are recovering well from your mishap, best wishes to you. I flew the plane today for the first time in 3 months. I was a bit apprehensive during preflight, really took my time and did a triple check of everything. It was a thrill to take off and fly again, and once I was up about 500', my apprehension turned to the pleasure that flying these great planes is. The plane handled superb, just like it always has. I got in 2.5 hours of flight and 10 landings with perfect flying weather, 60-65 deg. and 5 mph winds. I had put on new wing strut fairings, and I guess I should have riveted them with the tube set to the very front of the fairing instead of right down the middle. I was a good 20 miles from home I suddenly noticed my right side fairing violently fluttering. I grabbed it with my right hand and flew back to the airport holding it the whole way, and found that both fairings had worked their way free of the rivet heads. I just took them off and flew without them. I really didn't notice any change either, but I only cruise about 50 - 55 mph. I'm thinking about putting on my old smaller tires in place of the tundra tires I have. I think they slow me down more than anything else. It was so nice to be back in the air flying, can't wait to go back tomorrow morning and enjoy what should be more great aviating weather. Howard Shackleford wrote: >> If you have a FSII kitted before '97 [maybe even later than that], then you may have the short gear legs & are headed for a major repair if you don't replace with the longer ones<< Mine is an '01 model, so I'm pretty sure I have the newer design. Jimmy Young FS II, Angleton TX ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:05 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fixed my screw up ----- Original Message ----- From: robert bean To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fixed my screw up Let us know what you think of those fat tires after flying it for a while. BB MkIII, suzuki G10 I have the big tires on my Firestar, and wouldn't change them for anything. Of course I operate in rough country and the 4130 legs and the big tires are a necessity to me. Every repair that I have ever had to make was due to the wimpy legs and tires of the original equipment. Of course if I used the plane the way that it was designed then I probably wouldn't have had any trouble, but how much fun would that be? 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