---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/15/08: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:43 AM - Re: VG research (icrashrc) 2. 03:21 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (pj.ladd) 3. 03:27 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (pj.ladd) 4. 04:46 AM - Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (pj.ladd) 5. 04:48 AM - Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (pj.ladd) 6. 05:35 AM - Video Camcorder Editing Help. (grantr) 7. 05:53 AM - Re: Video Camcorder Editing Help. (robert bean) 8. 06:18 AM - Re: Video Camcorder Editing Help. (Robert Laird) 9. 07:09 AM - Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (lucien) 10. 07:18 AM - Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (Jack B. Hart) 11. 07:46 AM - Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (John Hauck) 12. 07:49 AM - Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (pj.ladd) 13. 08:01 AM - Re: Poly Tone paint (herb) 14. 08:10 AM - Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (lucien) 15. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (pj.ladd) 16. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (Larry Cottrell) 17. 10:26 AM - Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (Jack B. Hart) 18. 11:10 AM - Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (John Hauck) 19. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (robert bean) 20. 02:46 PM - Re: Video Camcorder Editing Help. (Bill Eslick) 21. 04:43 PM - Re: Video Camcorder Editing Help. (possums) 22. 04:50 PM - Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (lucien) 23. 05:00 PM - Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (lucien) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:48 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VG research From: "icrashrc" Tom, If the best location chordwise is when the vortices meet at the trailing edge then couldn't you calculate backwards from the TE to find the sweet spot for mounting the VG's? kuffel(at)cyberport.net wrote: > The NASA research on VGs which I read over 30 years ago concluded the best > spanwise spacing occurred when the vortices generated just met at the > training edge of the wing. The vortices spread from each generator at an > included angle of 15 degrees. Thus, the farther forward the generators, the > farther apart they can be and still be fully effective. > > Don't remember the details about chordwise location but they ended up at > 10% - 15% of local chord. > > Whenever I get my FireStar flying I'll use these numbers as a starting point > for my VG experimenting. > > Tom Kuffel > Whitefish, MT -------- Scott www.ill-EagleAviation.com do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219401#219401 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:17 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off this is just standard soft-field takeoff technique,>> Hi Lucien, I would quite agree, but that is a technique to deal with a particular situation. If it is imperative that you get off the ground as quickly as possible then you are willing to trade something else, in this case safety. I once had to put the Challenger down in a small, very rough field when the teeth came off the drive belt when I was on the approach.Next morning I changed the belt, pushed the plane back as far as I could into the hedge, and went for it. I bounced into the air off the first of a series of hummocks and arrived with a crunch that rattled my fillings on the next one. I just grazed the third hummock with a heavy jolt and was airborne. I wouldn`t describe it as flying. I managed to struggle high enough to get over a 4 foot hedge and settled down again into ground effect as I crossed the next field building speed to pull up to about 50ft to cross a road.. By then I was flying properly and I chopped the throttle and landed on my own strip, quite surprised to find the wings still attached and the undercart in one piece. The short take off technique worked but I was very familiar with the Challenger, knew what to expect, and dealt with the situation accordingly BUT it was not a technique I would teach a guy with very little experience as a standard take off procedure. That was the situation with the guy who sent the post which started this thread. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:27 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off I fly the airplane.>> Thanks John. Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:12 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off It works for me. >> Hi Jack, Fair enough but is that a technique you would recommend to an inexperienced learner? Would you be happy to be told that was the way to do it with only a few take offs under your belt. Messing about in ground effect just above the stall is not something most instructors would suggest. You obviously have had experience of soft field, long grass flying and have evolved a technique to deal with it which works. If I ever have to deal with water hidden in long grass on the runway I will remember the way you do it and be profoundly grateful. Alternatively I might leave the plane in the hangar. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:52 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off 2 wait until the water temp gets near a boiling>> Hi Robert, Love that bit. LOL Pat ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Video Camcorder Editing Help. From: "grantr" I got a Sony DCR-SR45 30GB Handycam Camcorder http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665291488 So far I like the camcorder. It takes very clear video and is fun to use! The problem I have is what to do with the video when I put it on the computer. My camcorder records in MPEG-2 format. Windows movie maker, real player, quicktime and win amp will not play these files or edit them. Real player will start playing but the picture freezes. The files can be converted to WMV files but that takes a while an decreases the quality of the video. I am not looking for any thing real elaborate for editing. I just need to be able to dub over some background narration or music, Cut out sections of the video. I believe this is called video trimming. The software that came with the camera will trim but it saves each trimmed section as an individual video file and there is no way to merge the file with another video file to make a movie. Windows movie maker seems to be ok but it does not work with my file type. Any suggestions? I prefer freeware if it is available. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219414#219414 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:36 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video Camcorder Editing Help. Grant, when I have nothing better to do and the nordic elements hereabouts are forbidding I intend to embark on the same pursuit. I bought a Toshiba player/recorder that will dub either way. It will play several formats so I will dub the disc to tape which is easy to edit, then back to disc. I haven't tried that routine yet but so far it has done a good job converting VHS to disc. BB On 15, Dec 2008, at 8:35 AM, grantr wrote: > > > I got a Sony DCR-SR45 30GB Handycam Camcorder > > http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay? > catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665291488 > > So far I like the camcorder. It takes very clear video and is fun > to use! > > The problem I have is what to do with the video when I put it on > the computer. My camcorder records in MPEG-2 format. Windows movie > maker, real player, quicktime and win amp will not play these files > or edit them. > > Real player will start playing but the picture freezes. The files > can be converted to WMV files but that takes a while an decreases > the quality of the video. > > I am not looking for any thing real elaborate for editing. I just > need to be able to dub over some background narration or music, Cut > out sections of the video. I believe this is called video trimming. > The software that came with the camera will trim but it saves each > trimmed section as an individual video file and there is no way to > merge the file with another video file to make a movie. Windows > movie maker seems to be ok but it does not work with my file type. > > Any suggestions? I prefer freeware if it is available. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219414#219414 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:44 AM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video Camcorder Editing Help. I'm lucky enough to have access to commercial software, but, for free video editing, you could try this: http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/ I've not tried it, but it looks decent. -- Robert On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:35 AM, grantr wrote: > > I got a Sony DCR-SR45 30GB Handycam(R) Camcorder > > http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665291488 > > So far I like the camcorder. It takes very clear video and is fun to use! > > The problem I have is what to do with the video when I put it on the computer. My camcorder records in MPEG-2 format. Windows movie maker, real player, quicktime and win amp will not play these files or edit them. > > Real player will start playing but the picture freezes. The files can be converted to WMV files but that takes a while an decreases the quality of the video. > > I am not looking for any thing real elaborate for editing. I just need to be able to dub over some background narration or music, Cut out sections of the video. I believe this is called video trimming. The software that came with the camera will trim but it saves each trimmed section as an individual video file and there is no way to merge the file with another video file to make a movie. Windows movie maker seems to be ok but it does not work with my file type. > > Any suggestions? I prefer freeware if it is available. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219414#219414 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:25 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off From: "lucien" pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: > this is just standard soft-field takeoff technique,>> > > Hi Lucien, > I would quite agree, but that is a technique to deal with a particular > situation. If it is imperative that you get off the ground as quickly as > possible then you are willing to trade something else, in this case safety. > Sorry, but I'm just not understanding how proper soft-field takeoff technique is a compromise in safety. I was never trained that way and it has never been my experience that correct technique involved a safety hazard. If done correctly, there's nothing unsafe about a soft-field takeoff - you take the same precautions there as you do with any takeoff. So I'm confused..... > > I once had to put the Challenger down in a small, very rough field when the > teeth came off the drive belt when I was on the approach.Next morning I > changed the belt, pushed the plane back as far as I could into the hedge, > and went for it. I bounced into the air off the first of a series of > hummocks and arrived with a crunch that rattled my fillings on the next one. > I just grazed the third hummock with a heavy jolt and was airborne. I > wouldn`t describe it as flying. I managed to struggle high enough to get > over a 4 foot hedge and settled down again into ground effect as I crossed > the next field building speed to pull up to about 50ft to cross a road.. By > then I was flying properly and I chopped the throttle and landed on my own > strip, quite surprised to find the wings still attached and the undercart > in one piece. > > The short take off technique worked but I was very familiar with the > Challenger, knew what to expect, and dealt with the situation accordingly > BUT it was not a technique I would teach a guy with very little experience > as a standard take off procedure. That was the situation with the guy who > sent the post which started this thread. > > Cheers > > Pat Er, yeah I wouldn't teach a takeoff like that either! No offense, but instead I'd teach how to dismantle and trailer the plane out of that field rather than try to actually fly out of it. An integral part of takeoff training is learning when not to attempt it. If you're bending metal or close to it like this, you made a mistake long before you put the coals to it. No safe SF takeoff involves whacking the airframe on not one but multiple dirtbars on the takeoff run........ I don't consider this a typical soft-field takeoff situation and certainly nothing a student should ever be exposed to...... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219432#219432 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:08 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off At 12:45 PM 12/15/08 -0000, you wrote: > >Fair enough but is that a technique you would recommend to an inexperienced >learner? Would you be happy to be told that was the way to do it with only a >few take offs under your belt. Messing about in ground effect just above the >stall is not something most instructors would suggest. > Pat No, I do not recommend an inexperienced learner try this technique. But anyone can learn this technique by using a long runway under no wind conditions, and then progressing on to low cross wind winds, etc. The time to learn it is when you don't need to use it. After you land in tall grass or water puddles in grass is not the time to make your first attempt. What I recommend before flying a FireFly and taken from the top of the page that I recommended to Jean: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/howtofly.html "If you have had little to no flight instruction, I strongly urge you get flight instruction before attempting your first flight in the FireFly. You need to understand the basic rudimentary physical principles of flight, so that you will be able to analyze what is going on and so that you can react appropriately to the normal unexpected things that happen during any flight. During slow flight, you need to understand, experience, and practice how to recover from stalls and spins. In addition, during landings you must be able to initiate forward slips and side slips to enable you to lose altitude, and to handle cross winds. When all of these skills have been developed to the point that they are almost automatic, you will have little trouble transition to the FireFly. The following observations come from several years experience getting the FireFly and myself ready to fly. Hopefully, these comments will be helpful but I am sure they are not all encompassing." > >Messing about in ground effect just above the stall is not something most >instructors would >suggest." > I agree, but few, if any instructor is used to flying a 500 lb gross weight aircraft with four inch wheels off of grass. One other point. There is nothing wrong with flying in ground effect if you keep tabs on your ASI. The problem comes when one is overcome by the illusion that ground and air speed are the same. It is unfortunate the most hazardous part of flight, the transition to and from flight through ground effect is ignored by most instructors and yet, I feel, it is one of the most important to learn for very light aircraft. I taught my self by flying a 4,000 foot runway at progressively lower speeds on a no wind day with the wheels no more than three feet above the ground. Then I repeated the same process in a light cross wind etc and finally progressed to gusty cross winds. I would bump a wheel once in a while, but I improved. With practice and no wind or flaperons, it is possible to fly/taxi the FireFly with the tail planted and main gear off the runway surface. Fly Safe! Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:30 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off With practice and no wind or flaperons, it is possible to > fly/taxi the FireFly with the tail planted and main gear off the runway > surface. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 Jack: I'm curious. What is the purpose of this exercise? How do you control pitch attitude with the tailwheel on the ground and the mains flying. I'm not sure I understand why all this concern about ground effect. Kolbs and other aircraft, fixed as well as rotary, require less power to fly in ground effect. Our Kolbs fly so well, most of the time we don't know when we are in it or out of it. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:18 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off No, I do not recommend an inexperienced learner try this technique. But anyone can learn this technique by using a long runway etc..>> No disagreement there Jack Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:26 AM PST US From: herb Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Poly Tone paint Easiest way to prove it is to make a foot square test frame Mike.... Herb At 09:38 PM 12/14/2008, you wrote: > > > > john h - None of these were painted with a brush. ;-) > > > > mkIII - 1993 OSH Grand Champion Light Plane > > 1993 Sun and Fun Reserve Grand Champion Light Plane > > Firestar - 1989 OSH Grand Champion Ultralight > > 1988 Sun and Fun Grand Champion Ultralight > >John H., > > I was curious if it was possible to do a nice paint job with a brush. > > Evidently not! I won't do anything but a professional looking job!! > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:57 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off From: "lucien" John Hauck wrote: > > Jack: > > I'm curious. What is the purpose of this exercise? > > How do you control pitch attitude with the tailwheel on the ground and the > mains flying. > > I'm not sure I understand why all this concern about ground effect. Kolbs > and other aircraft, fixed as well as rotary, require less power to fly in > ground effect. Our Kolbs fly so well, most of the time we don't know when > we are in it or out of it. > > john h > mkIII Don't mean to butt in again, but I'm with John on this - my FSII and thereofre I should think all Kolbs, fly just fine in ground effect. I'm still a little mystified about these claims that flying in ground-effect is dangerous and not something students should be exposed to, etc. This is very basic training in fixed-wing airplanes, you're exposed to it pretty much right away when you start on landings and takeoffs. I got hours and hours of training in this as a student in both GA and light a/c from my various instructors. I submit problems with flying in GE are training issues rather than problems with the plane. I did this literally all the time in my FS II when practicing landings, low approaches and takeoffs..... Someone help me out here ;)..... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219447#219447 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:39 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off If done correctly, there's nothing unsafe about a soft-field takeoff - you take the same precautions there as you do with any takeoff. So I'm confused.....>> Sorry that you are confused Lucien. I just don`t see that dragging a plane off the ground before it is really ready to go is good technique. If there are special circumstances , short field , soft field, standing water, tall obstructions close by then of course you would use techniques evolved to deal with that situation. I have flown from a field which is steeply sloped. The only way to land is to land uphill through a farm gate entrance and to take off downhill the opposite way.. Wind direction is not in the equation. That is a technique to deal with a specific problem and is as safe as it can be made but presumably you would not advocate teaching it to a low hours pilot or contend that landing and take off down wind is a desirable thing in normal conditions.. All I am saying is that taking off while holding the tail down CAN be done and in specific conditions MUST be done but it is not normal take off technique. I read once that Gann, the pilot and author, was once by mistake overloaded with fuel. He just made it into the air but could only just stay airborne. His speed was OK so he cleaned up the plane, retracted flaps and wheels. Then to his horror he found he was headed straight for the Taj Mahal getting close enough that he could see the fearstricken workmen scrambling off the scaffolding which surrounded it. Being unable to climb over it Gann dropped his flaps and achieved that extra bit of lift we all experience when lowering flaps. This just bumped him high enough. Now that was a technique to suit a particular situation but I presume that you wouldn`t teach it as normal. Good. Now we can have a thread about wether it is possible to increase your height by dropping flaps. Cheers Pat Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:56 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off Don't mean to butt in again, but I'm with John on this - my FSII and thereofre I should think all Kolbs, fly just fine in ground effect. I'm still a little mystified about these claims that flying in ground-effect is dangerous and not something students should be exposed to, etc. This is very basic training in fixed-wing airplanes, you're exposed to it pretty much right away when you start on landings and takeoffs. I got hours and hours of training in this as a student in both GA and light a/c from my various instructors. I submit problems with flying in GE are training issues rather than problems with the plane. I did this literally all the time in my FS II when practicing landings, low approaches and takeoffs..... Someone help me out here ;)..... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Lucien, I think I can bring some clarity into Pat's problem with this technique. You are basing your observations on how a Kolb acts and reacts, while he is basing his on a Challenger. :-) Did you think the name was by chance? (The devil made me do it) Larry C ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:45 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off At 09:46 AM 12/15/08 -0600, you wrote: > > With practice and no wind or flaperons, it is possible to >> fly/taxi the FireFly with the tail planted and main gear off the runway >> surface. > > >> Jack B. Hart FF004 > > >Jack: > >I'm curious. What is the purpose of this exercise? There is none, except that it can be done. > >How do you control pitch attitude with the tailwheel on the ground and the >mains flying. Throttle > >I'm not sure I understand why all this concern about ground effect. Kolbs >and other aircraft, fixed as well as rotary, require less power to fly in >ground effect. Our Kolbs fly so well, most of the time we don't know when >we are in it or out of it. John, I do not believe there is much reason to worry about it in heavier and faster aircraft. Think of risk management and cross wind speed versus stall speed. Assume you are going to take off in a 20 mph cross wind. Comparing wind to stall speed, this would give 44% for 45 mphi and 74% for 27 mphi stall speed. Also comparing 1,000 lb to 500 lb gr wt, which is going to get blown around more on takeoff and which pilot is going to be the busiest and who is at greater risk? Control surface effectiveness is greater in ground effect and cross wind shear is less close to the ground, so it is better to stabilize and accelerate the aircraft at this point before moving on up into the full effects of the cross wind. Before I changed out the ailerons, modified the control system and added VGs, I would not have attempted to takeoff in a cross wind of more than 5 mph. This is the best I can do. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:04 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off Assume you are going to take off in a 20 mph cross wind. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 Jack: Kolbs do not have enough yaw attitude authority to overcome a 20 mph cross wind. Somewhere below 20 mph the Kolb will begin to weather vane. Rudder becomes pretty much useless. VGs or no VGs. More than once I have had to find some place to land into the wind because the wind overpowered the rudder, at the risk of wetting my pants because my bladder was full. Full bladder was reason for landing in the first place. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:52 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off circumstances when you would want to get into ground effect early: 1. long draggy grass or brush which would otherwise prevent attaining flying speed. 2. rough plowed ground 3. wet snow. done 'em all BB On 15, Dec 2008, at 11:27 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > > If done correctly, there's nothing unsafe about a soft-field > takeoff - you take the same precautions there as you do with any > takeoff. > So I'm confused.....>> > > Sorry that you are confused Lucien. > > I just don`t see that dragging a plane off the ground before it is > really ready to go is good technique. > If there are special circumstances , short field , soft field, > standing water, tall obstructions close by then of course you would > use techniques evolved to deal with that situation. I have flown > from a field which is steeply sloped. The only way to land is to > land uphill through a farm gate entrance and to take off downhill > the opposite way.. Wind direction is not in the equation. > That is a technique to deal with a specific problem and is as safe > as it can be made but presumably you would not advocate teaching it > to a low hours pilot or contend that landing and take off down wind > is a desirable thing in normal conditions.. > All I am saying is that taking off while holding the tail down CAN > be done and in specific conditions MUST be done but it is not > normal take off technique. > I read once that Gann, the pilot and author, was once by mistake > overloaded with fuel. He just made it into the air but could only > just stay airborne. His speed was OK so he cleaned up the plane, > retracted flaps and wheels. Then to his horror he found he was > headed straight for the Taj Mahal getting close enough that he > could see the fearstricken workmen scrambling off the scaffolding > which surrounded it. Being unable to climb over it Gann dropped his > flaps and achieved that extra bit of lift we all experience when > lowering flaps. This just bumped him high enough. > Now that was a technique to suit a particular situation but I > presume that you wouldn`t teach it as normal. > > Good. Now we can have a thread about wether it is possible to > increase your height by dropping flaps. > > > Cheers > > Pat > Cheers > > Pat > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:33 PM PST US From: "Bill Eslick" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video Camcorder Editing Help. I have been using a free program called "any video converter". Google it up and give it a try. Bill Eslick On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:35 AM, grantr wrote: > > I got a Sony DCR-SR45 30GB Handycam(R) Camcorder > > > http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665291488 > > So far I like the camcorder. It takes very clear video and is fun to use! > > The problem I have is what to do with the video when I put it on the > computer. My camcorder records in MPEG-2 format. Windows movie maker, real > player, quicktime and win amp will not play these files or edit them. > > Real player will start playing but the picture freezes. The files can be > converted to WMV files but that takes a while an decreases the quality of > the video. > > I am not looking for any thing real elaborate for editing. I just need to > be able to dub over some background narration or music, Cut out sections of > the video. I believe this is called video trimming. The software that came > with the camera will trim but it saves each trimmed section as an individual > video file and there is no way to merge the file with another video file to > make a movie. Windows movie maker seems to be ok but it does not work with > my file type. > > Any suggestions? I prefer freeware if it is available. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219414#219414 > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:44 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video Camcorder Editing Help. At 08:35 AM 12/15/2008, you wrote: > >I got a Sony DCR-SR45 30GB Handycam=C2=AE Camcorder > >http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId =10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665291488 > >So far I like the camcorder. It takes very clear video and is fun to use! > >The problem I have is what to do with the video >when I put it on the computer. My camcorder >records in MPEG-2 format. Windows movie maker, >real player, quicktime and win amp will not play these files or edit them. I use Studio 10 - but the new version is Studio 12 - not free - about $50 http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Products/Consumer+Products/Home+Vid eo/Studio+Family/ You might click on "see what's new with Version12" and run the tutorial. It supports Video: DV, AVI, MPEG-1, MPEG-2, DivX=AE*, MPEG-4*, 3GP(MPEG-4)*, WMV, Non-encrypted DVD title After editing, I always save it as a MPEG-4 file & upload it that to goggle or youtube. Or burn it to HD disc for the TV. If you're just trying to play the MPEG-2 - copy it from the chip to your desktop & play it from there. That will keep it from sticking while you play it on your computer most of the time. Sample of one done pretty quick & dirty. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3487102474967847487&hl=en ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:31 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off From: "lucien" pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: > > Sorry that you are confused Lucien. > > I just don`t see that dragging a plane off the ground before it is really > ready to go is good technique. > > I've never heard of anything like that being taught. I've never encountered this in any training situation I've ever been in regardless of plane, instructor or situation. No soft-field technique I've ever been taught involved anything close to that and I don't recall ever doing this personally. What you described in your particular scenario - bouncing over at least 3 large dirt mounds, then clearing a hedge and then a road after a major, but untested, repair to the prop drive system - is not in any PTS for any rating I'm aware of. But it's quite right to say that that's definitely not safe takeoff practice! > > All I am saying is that taking off while holding the tail down CAN be done > and in specific conditions MUST be done but it is not normal take off > technique. > I read once that Gann, the pilot and author, was once by mistake overloaded > with fuel. > Here again is another training item I'm not familiar with. Knowingly taking off over over gross is just plain verboten under all circumstances the way I was taught. Or at least, doing so puts you in test pilot territory and at your own risk. > > > He just made it into the air but could only just stay airborne. > His speed was OK so he cleaned up the plane, retracted flaps and wheels. > Then to his horror he found he was headed straight for the Taj Mahal getting > close enough that he could see the fearstricken workmen scrambling off the > scaffolding which surrounded it. Being unable to climb over it Gann dropped > his flaps and achieved that extra bit of lift we all experience when > lowering flaps. This just bumped him high enough. > Now that was a technique to suit a particular situation but I presume that > you wouldn`t teach it as normal. > Actually, I wouldn't teach this technique of dodging buildings and people while over gross as normal or safe under _any_ circumstances at all, so yes, you're quite right. Again, I'd be instructing some other method than flight as the alternative here, such as a vehicle for the pilot and a trailer for the plane. You're right - you're definitely not talking about good training or safety here.... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219523#219523 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:46 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off From: "lucien" lcottrell wrote: > > Lucien, I think I can bring some clarity into Pat's problem with this technique. You are basing your observations on how a Kolb acts and reacts, while he is basing his on a Challenger. :-) Did you think the name was by chance? (The devil made me do it) > Larry C > I appreciate the attempt but this doesn't help me too much. Every plane I've flown so far flies just fine in ground effect, even the one or two trikes both single and double-surface. The Kolb is in large company in this regard.... 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