---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/18/08: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:44 AM - Re: parts needed for sync of dual carbs (icrashrc) 2. 04:59 AM - John W. (Jack B. Hart) 3. 06:30 AM - Re: parts needed for sync of dual carbs (robcannon) 4. 06:39 AM - Re: Video Camcorder Editing Help. (JetPilot) 5. 06:52 AM - Re: update (william sullivan) 6. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: update (John Hauck) 7. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: Engine Installation (boyd) 8. 10:02 AM - Re: update (william sullivan) 9. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: update (pj.ladd) 10. 11:20 AM - Re: parts needed for sync of dual carbs (Richard Girard) 11. 12:13 PM - Re: parts needed for sync of dual carbs (Larry Cottrell) 12. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: update (russ kinne) 13. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off (russ kinne) 14. 05:19 PM - Rats Inc. (possums) 15. 05:38 PM - Re: update (william sullivan) 16. 05:40 PM - 3D (william sullivan) 17. 05:51 PM - Re: Rats Inc. (Mike Welch) 18. 06:00 PM - Re: Rats Inc. (russ kinne) 19. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: update (russ kinne) 20. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: update (Dana Hague) 21. 08:30 PM - Re: Rats Inc. (Robert Laird) 22. 08:42 PM - rats inc (Larry Cottrell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:35 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: parts needed for sync of dual carbs From: "icrashrc" I have a mercury filled carb sync tool [up to 4 carbs]. It works very well. I purchased it from J.C. Whitney over 20 years ago. I have no idea what it cost but i am pretty cheap.... er, frugal. :-) [quote="lcottrell"]I notice that Lockwood has a dual carb sync kit for around $79.00, Seems like a lot of money for a one time use. Would it be worthwhile to build one from available parts? Any body done it? Minus 6 this morning. BRRRRRR Larry C [quote] -------- Scott www.ill-EagleAviation.com do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219935#219935 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:04 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: John W. At 09:02 PM 12/17/08 -0600, you wrote: > >http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 080530X00757&key=1 > Thanks for the jump. It helped to explain what happened. Jack B Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:00 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: parts needed for sync of dual carbs From: "robcannon" Here's a very simple, accurate, gage you can build in ten minutes for about 5 bucks. Buy about 6 ft of clear plastic tubing, sized to fit the nipple on your carb or manifold. Fill the tube about half way with some oil (I used pretty blue two stroke oil) Form a low loop with the ends attached to the carbs and tape the whole affair in place with the part with the oil in it parallel and touching each other (make sense). If you are working on a hks you can remove the prop to make things easier and much safer. The hks doesn't mind being run with no prop ( I keep the revs below around 3500) The carbs should be mechanically synchronized before you start the engine or the oil will quickly get sucked into the weaker carb. As you adjust the carbs the oil level will move toward the weaker carb. It is quite easy to get the carbs perfectly balanced ! By the way, I did it without the prop, then checked it with the prop and it made no difference, other than the engine ran much smoother with no prop. cheers, Rob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219945#219945 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:20 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Video Camcorder Editing Help. From: "JetPilot" Possums wrote: > > > I use Studio 10 - but the new version is Studio 12 - not free - about $50 > > Pinnacle Studio 11 is the best video editing program I have ever used. It does everything, simple to elaborate, and is super easy to use. I have tried others, Adobe does everything, but you need to spend a month figuring out how to use it, everything is a hard with that program. Sony Vegas is much to limited in what it can do. Windows Movie maker that comes with Windows XP is good, and free, for simple editing, and most importantly, easy and quick to use. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219949#219949 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:16 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: re: update - Thanks for the pictures, John.- Brings back a lot of memories.- Wha t was the ground temp?- 31 degrees, going to 40 today.- Heavy snow tomo rrow, so I have welding to do.- The front frame of the Firestar is done, except for the small brackets.- I ordered the fuselage tube from Travis y esterday. - ------------------------- ------------------------- ----- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------------- ----- Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:23 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: update Bill: I don't know what the ground temp was, but today they are forecasting 77F. So far it is rats - 3 and me - 0. That have tripped the rat traps three ti mes, liked the peanut butter off clean, without getting caught. Glue traps didn't work, except to catch broke crickets. Decon rat poison, put out four trays, was gone the first night. I was able to salvage enough undamaged parts to make up seat belt and shoul der harness for the pilots seat. That is why I got to fly yesterday. As far as I know, the only damage was the seat belt/shoulder harness, 12VDC power wire to my ANR headset, power socket for my electric vest, and the 2 " wide velcro strap I use to secure my GPS to my leg. Still have my finger s crossed they didn't cut wires I could not see. My strobes, nav lights, e lectric fuel pump, mag switch, all performed normally. The radio and inter com also were operational. First time the rats got me I lost radio and int ercom. They even tried to chew into the kevlar bridals on the parachute. john h mkIII Thanks for the pictures, John. Brings back a lot of memories. W hat was the ground temp? 31 degrees, going to 40 today. Heavy snow tomorr ow, so I have welding to do. The front frame of the Firestar is done, exce pt for the small brackets. I ordered the fuselage tube from Travis yesterd ay. Bill Sulliv an Windsor Loc ks, Ct. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:14 AM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Engine Installation > My Rotax 912 operators manual has specs for coolant temp. > > -------- > Scott >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The last time I visited with LEAF about water temp, I was interested in putting in a thermostat to control min. water temps so my heater would work better in cool temps.... I was told that there was no minimum water temp... only a maximum temp. that is why there was no provision for a thermostat in the system. Boyd Young MKIIIC Utah ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:17 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: re: update - - John- You'll have to use a .22 with birdshot.- That was part of my jo b for over 5 years- carry a .22 pistol, and hunt 4 times a day- plus on cal l for raccoons, skunks, etc.- Better go internet for the electric rat zap per.- They can be persistent.- I had to use a .38 with birdshot on one rat- he was wearing a kevlar vest.- Shot him 4 time with the .22, and no results.- Good luck! - ------------------------- ----------------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ----------------------- Winds or Locks, Ct. do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:00 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: update First time the rats got me I lost radio and intercom. They even tried to chew into the kevlar bridals on the parachute.>> Good grief John, that is serious business. The worst I have had, so far, in spite of being hangared on a farm is a bug up the pitot. Mind you that nearly gave me heart failure as the ASI wound backwards in the middle of the climb out. Trouble is that the first thing that happens when the apparent speed drops off is to stuff the nose down without thinking . Not until I looked for an horizon did I realise what was happening. 77 degrees.? Very comfortable. Here it is just above freezing and we have had torrential rain with which the fields have been unable to cope so there have been floods all around the area. Joys of winter. Cheers, and a ratfree Christmas Pat ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:41 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: parts needed for sync of dual carbs Yeah, Larry I did it. two inexpensive vacuum gauges @ $20 + two inline valves @ 10 + plus fittings and lines $10 to $15 depending on application. + shipping.Who said it was a one time thing? After I got my carbs set the CHT's and EGT's were dead even at all times 5 degree spread for the CHT's and 25 for the EGT's, but always in that range. When the carb boots started to leak the temp spreads grew. I went back to the vacuum gauges to get a reading and reset. Temp spread grew again. Time to look elsewhere. Found rotted carb sockets. Even if you don't use it as a diagnostic tool, what about every annual? Having balanced carbs is paramount for the best fuel economy and engine performance, why would you not include it as an item on your annual? Rick On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > I notice that Lockwood has a dual carb sync kit for around $79.00, Seems > like a lot of money for a one time use. Would it be worthwhile to build one > from available parts? Any body done it? > > Minus 6 this morning. BRRRRRR > Larry C > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:25 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: parts needed for sync of dual carbs ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: parts needed for sync of dual carbs Yeah, Larry I did it. two inexpensive vacuum gauges @ $20 + two inline valves @ 10 + plus fittings and lines $10 to $15 depending on application. + shipping. Who said it was a one time thing? After I got my carbs set the CHT's and EGT's were dead even at all times 5 degree spread for the CHT's and 25 for the EGT's, but always in that range. When the carb boots started to leak the temp spreads grew. I went back to the vacuum gauges to get a reading and reset. Temp spread grew again. Time to look elsewhere. Found rotted carb sockets. Even if you don't use it as a diagnostic tool, what about every annual? Having balanced carbs is paramount for the best fuel economy and engine performance, why would you not include it as an item on your annual? Rick Thanks guy's, I appreciate the help. I have a new baqttery on order and will give it a try as soon as I get it. It is much too cold to do much now. Larry C ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:52 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: update Bill Not to argue (too much) but FWIW I think the .22 birdshot is a joke! The ones with a plastic nose come out in one lump, never deploy. I've shot squirrels with them (and regular deploying loads) but have always had to go to solid .22's to kill them. You CAN aggravate one, at 30-50' with birdshot if that's your intention. And rats are lots tougher than squirrels. I consider a .22 LR solid the absolute minimum for a rat, and that's with well-placed shots. Glad to see your restoring project is going along -- Merry Xmas! Russ PS Do you realize we get lots of "===" 's with your emails? On Dec 18, 2008, at 12:59 PM, william sullivan wrote: > > John- You'll have to use a .22 with birdshot. That was part of > my job for over 5 years- carry a .22 pistol, and hunt 4 times a > day- plus on call for raccoons, skunks, etc. Better go internet > for the electric rat zapper. They can be persistent. I had to use > a .38 with birdshot on one rat- he was wearing a kevlar vest. Shot > him 4 time with the .22, and no results. Good luck! > > Bill Sullivan > Windsor Locks, Ct. > do not archive > > _- > ======================== > 3D=======================3 > D============ > _- > ======================== > 3D=======================3 > D============ > _- > ======================== > 3D=======================3 > D============ > _- > ======================== > 3D=======================3 > D============ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:21 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Ultrastar: How to take-off Dana Apparently Pat hadn't found it in various posts, but of course he was Ernest K Gann; the Taj incident was before WW2 -- and ALL of his books are well worth reading. I'd recommend A HOSTAGE TO FORTUNE as a start. I may even go back and re-read it; it's that good. Merry Xmas, Russ do not archive On Dec 16, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Dana Hague wrote: > > At 07:41 AM 12/16/2008, pj.ladd wrote: > >> From what I remember of the story the refuelling crew were >> instructed to put in a specific amount of fuel but instead filled >> the tanks. >> I am not going to get into the question of whether Gann should >> have checked the amount. It is just the story as I remember it and >> its years since I read it. > > I don't remember the details from when I read it, either, but also > IIRC it was during wartime... when people often must do things > with a much lower margin of safety than they'd otherwise find > acceptable. > >> Incidentally if you have never come across Ganns books I think his >> initials are D.W and there was at least one film derived from one >> of his stories. > > Ernest K. Gann... all of his numerous flying books are worth > reading. He also wrote several sea stories but I haven't read any > of those. > > -Dana > > -- > "The difference between death and taxes is death doesn't get worse > every > time Congress meets." -- Will Rogers > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:41 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Kolb-List: Rats Inc. At 10:08 AM 12/18/2008, you wrote: > >So far it is rats - 3 and me - 0. That have tripped the rat traps >three times, liked the peanut butter off clean, without getting caught. Dear Investors, This is of the utmost urgency. The following is the "sleeper of all sleepers." Please send your check in the amount of $50,000 immediately. We are limiting each participant to one unit. You can understand after reading this once in a lifetime offer. A group of us are considering investing in a large cat ranch near Hermosillo, Mexico. It is our purpose to start rather small with about one million cats. Each cat averages about twelve kittens a year; skins can be sold for about 20 cents for the white ones and up to 40 cents for the black. This will give us twelve million cat skins per year to sell at an average price of around 32 cents, making our gross revenue about $3 million a year. This really averages out to about $10,000 a day (excluding Sundays and holidays, of course). A good Mexican cat man can skin about 50 cats each day, at a wage of $13.15 a day. It will take 663 men to operate the ranch, so the net profit would be over $8,200 per day. Your $50,000 investment would be recovered in 6.1 days, which beats the stock market don't ya know. Now, the cats would be fed on rats exclusively. Rats multiply four times faster than cats. We would start a rat ranch adjacent to our cat farm for the rats. If we start with a million rats, we will have four rats per cat per day. The rats will be fed on the carcasses of the cats that we skin. This will give each rat a quarter of a cat. You can see by this that the business is a clean operation; self-supporting and really automatic throughout. The cats will eat the rats and the rats will eat the cats and we will get the skins Time is of the essence. Any hesitation on your part would be sheer disaster. Become a millionaire with us through knowledgeable investments. Send your cashier's check today to: Possums Inc. Kennesaw, Georgia, USA, Earth ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:11 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: re: update - Russ- You have to get really close for the plastic capsule birdshot to work- 15 feet or so.- the advantage is that you can work around animals, people, and equipment with almost no worry.- Lots of sport, and you have to be quick with a second shot.- At 15 feet, they won't go through both s ides of a cardboard box.- I know it won't hurt the tires, but maybe the p lastic brake lines. - Finished all the welding today- including control brackets.- The aile ron control rods will be made up when I mount the wings.- The main engine mount tube was replaced, and I made up a new front cage.- Cost so far - including rivets for the wings (completed minus Stits)- is just under $200. - Labor overall is about 20 hours.- No problems, so far.- - ------------------------- ------------------------- - Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------------- - Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:14 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: 3D Russ- The 3D work is Matt's, not mine.- It shows up on a few of us- and t he Rotax List. - ------------------------- ----------------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ----------------------- Winds or Locks, Ct. do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:35 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Rats Inc. Possums, What a wonderful business opportunity (unless, of course, you happen to be a cat or a rat). This plan has all the promise of your finest government program. Highly profitable, self- supportive, tremendous positives all around. Promises abound!!! I'll run down to my local Post Office tomorrow and submit my tax payment...er, investment. I can't wait to see the millions and millions of dollars roll in. I beg your indulgence to make a special allowance in my case, (you know..."just for you"), Please allow me to purchase four units immediately ($200,000). Mike Welch Can't wait till the money rolls in!!! PS. BTW, have you considered locating near Detroit? If I'm not mistaken, there are about to be a huge unemployed work force very soon. I'm sure they'll work cheap, then! Dear Investors, This is of the utmost urgency. The following is the "sleeper of all sleepers." Please send your check in the amount of $50,000 immediately. We are limiting each participant to one unit. You can understand after reading this once in a lifetime offer. A group of us are considering investing in a large cat ranch near Hermosillo, Mexico. It is our purpose to start rather small with about one million cats. Each cat averages about twelve kittens a year; skins can be sold for about 20 cents for the white ones and up to 40 cents for the black. This will give us twelve million cat skins per year to sell at an average price of around 32 cents, making our gross revenue about $3 million a year. This really averages out to about $10,000 a day (excluding Sundays and holidays, of course). A good Mexican cat man can skin about 50 cats each day, at a wage of $13.15 a day. It will take 663 men to operate the ranch, so the net profit would be over $8,200 per day. Your $50,000 investment would be recovered in 6.1 days, which beats the stock market don't ya know. Now, the cats would be fed on rats exclusively. Rats multiply four times faster than cats. We would start a rat ranch adjacent to our cat farm for the rats. If we start with a million rats, we will have four rats per cat per day. The rats will be fed on the carcasses of the cats that we skin. This will give each rat a quarter of a cat. You can see by this that the business is a clean operation; self-supporting and really automatic throughout. The cats will eat the rats and the rats will eat the cats and we will get the skins Time is of the essence. Any hesitation on your part would be sheer disaster. Become a millionaire with us through knowledgeable investments. Send your cashier's check today to: Possums Inc. Kennesaw, Georgia, USA, Earth _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:54 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rats Inc. Possums Somehow this sounds like something the US Congress thought up! Maybe even Wall Street do not archive On Dec 18, 2008, at 8:16 PM, possums wrote: > At 10:08 AM 12/18/2008, you wrote: > >> >> So far it is rats - 3 and me - 0. That have tripped the rat traps >> three times, liked the peanut butter off clean, without getting >> caught. > > > Dear Investors, > This is of the utmost urgency. The following is the "sleeper of all > sleepers." Please send your check in the amount of $50,000 > immediately. We are limiting each participant to one unit. You can > understand after reading this once in a lifetime offer. > > A group of us are considering investing in a large cat ranch near > Hermosillo, Mexico. It is our purpose to start rather small with > about one million cats. Each cat averages about twelve kittens a > year; skins can be sold for about 20 cents for the white ones and > up to 40 cents for the black. This will give us twelve million cat > skins per year to sell at an average price of around 32 cents, > making our gross revenue about $3 million a year. This really > averages out to about $10,000 a day (excluding Sundays and > holidays, of course). > > A good Mexican cat man can skin about 50 cats each day, at a wage > of $13.15 a day. It will take 663 men to operate the ranch, so the > net profit would be over $8,200 per day. Your $50,000 investment > would be recovered in 6.1 days, which beats the stock market don't > ya know. > > Now, the cats would be fed on rats exclusively. Rats multiply four > times faster than cats. We would start a rat ranch adjacent to our > cat farm for the rats. If we start with a million rats, we will > have four rats per cat per day. The rats will be fed on the > carcasses of the cats that we skin. This will give each rat a > quarter of a cat. You can see by this that the business is a clean > operation; self-supporting and really automatic throughout. The > cats will eat the rats and the rats will eat the cats and we will > get the skins > Time is of the essence. Any hesitation on your part would be sheer > disaster. Become a millionaire with us through knowledgeable > investments. > > Send your cashier's check today to: > > Possums Inc. > Kennesaw, > Georgia, USA, Earth > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:59 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: update Bill Sorry but I stand by my guns! My normal squirrel range is 10' IMHO The plastic birdshot is simply a weaker solid bullet. Won't even work the automatic action. Not really Kolb-related; sorry Glad to hear you're making progress! do not archive On Dec 18, 2008, at 8:35 PM, william sullivan wrote: > Russ- You have to get really close for the plastic capsule > birdshot to work- 15 feet or so. the advantage is that you can > work around animals, people, and equipment with almost no worry. > Lots of sport, and you have to be quick with a second shot. At 15 > feet, they won't go through both sides of a cardboard box. I know > it won't hurt the tires, but maybe the plastic brake lines. > Finished all the welding today- including control brackets. The > aileron control rods will be made up when I mount the wings. The > main engine mount tube was replaced, and I made up a new front > cage. Cost so far - including rivets for the wings (completed > minus Stits)- is just under $200. Labor overall is about 20 > hours. No problems, so far. > > Bill Sullivan > Windsor Locks, Ct. > > _- > ======================== > 3D=======================3 > D============ > _- > ======================== > 3D=======================3 > D============ > _- > ======================== > 3D=======================3 > D============ > _- > ======================== > 3D=======================3 > D============ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:17 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: update At 06:53 PM 12/18/2008, russ kinne wrote: >Not to argue (too much) but FWIW I think the .22 birdshot is a joke! The >ones with a plastic nose come out in one lump, never deploy. I've shot >squirrels with them... My accountant used to use the .22 shotshells to shoot carpenter bees around his house. He said it was a lot of fun. Dunno if he used the plastic cap kind or the crimped ones. Don't think I'd want to shoot something even that anemic around my plane, though... -Dana do not archive -- Lottery: a tax on the mathematically challenged. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:31 PM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rats Inc. > At 10:08 AM 12/18/2008, you wrote: > > So far it is rats - 3 and me - 0. That have tripped the rat traps three > times, liked the peanut butter off clean, without getting caught. I tried to tell you... drown 'em. No rat can swim for very long. -- R ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:22 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: rats inc Hi, A little advice from a "never failed yet" trapper. If the rats are licking the P Butter from the pan, there are two ways to handle it. Firstly it may not be rats, it may be mice that are not heavy enough to trip the trap. I would put lots of mouse traps around or a live trap that will take care of the little ones. The other thing you can do is to dig enough ground out to bury the trap. It would need to be by a wall where you could hang your bait high enough that the rat would have to stretch to reach the bait. You, I assume have a steel trap with a pan, if so tear off a small piece of cloth and lay over the trigger and pan, but not over the jaws. The idea is to keep the dirt from sifting under the pan and keep the trap from springing. Sift the dirt over the jaws just enough to conceal the trap, but the bare minimum necessary to hide it. What you are trying to do is to lure the rat into walking up to the wall and trying to reach the food that is dangling just out of reach, thus stepping into a trap that it does not know is there. Rats generally run along walls and natural corridors, so even if they don't smell the bait, (unlikely) they have a chance to step into the trap. If there are isolated points of entrance bury a trap there. If they run the walls, such as on a 2x4, place a trap there where they can't avoid it. Karen and I put the wings on the Firestar today, wind is howling, cold as a well diggers butt! 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