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1. 04:46 AM - Re: What is your Altitude loss in a 180 degree turn? (2danglico)
2. 07:03 AM - Re: What is your Altitude loss in a 180 degree turn? (lucien)
3. 09:13 PM - merry Christmas (boyd)
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| Subject: | Re: What is your Altitude loss in a 180 degree turn? |
I've been reading this thread for awhile and LS brought up a point that prompted
me to post a thought.
I'm a Firestar I pilot. I fly out of a private strip where there are a large contingent
of old timers, with untold hours, always ready to critique any take-off/landing
or flying discrepancies they feel the need to address. Actually their
advice is appreciated and respected.
When I started flying there. They were all impressed by my Kolb's ability to climb
out. Typically my climb speed is 45 to 50 mph, and my VS is around 750ft/min.
One day one of the old men suggested that in the event of an engine out during
take off, it would be safer to trade off some of that climb angle for some
extra speed.
I'd given this a lot of thought, and practiced engine outs at altitude. And I've
surmised that the aircraft at that field - Mini-max, Challenger, GT-500, Highlander
& Flightstar. All seem to be faster and maybe slicker than my Kolb. Their
cruise speeds bear this out. And I think perhaps my Firestar slows down so
much faster with the power off than what they are used to in their planes, that
the trade off doesn't hold true for me.
I'd rather have another 70 feet than an extra 10 mph to come about in my Firestar.
John Tempest
Firestar I 447
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| Subject: | Re: What is your Altitude loss in a 180 degree turn? |
2danglico wrote:
> I've been reading this thread for awhile and LS brought up a point that prompted
me to post a thought.
>
> I'm a Firestar I pilot. I fly out of a private strip where there are a large
contingent of old timers, with untold hours, always ready to critique any take-off/landing
or flying discrepancies they feel the need to address. Actually
their advice is appreciated and respected.
>
> When I started flying there. They were all impressed by my Kolb's ability to
climb out. Typically my climb speed is 45 to 50 mph, and my VS is around 750ft/min.
One day one of the old men suggested that in the event of an engine out
during take off, it would be safer to trade off some of that climb angle for some
extra speed.
>
> I'd given this a lot of thought, and practiced engine outs at altitude. And I've
surmised that the aircraft at that field - Mini-max, Challenger, GT-500, Highlander
& Flightstar. All seem to be faster and maybe slicker than my Kolb.
Their cruise speeds bear this out. And I think perhaps my Firestar slows down
so much faster with the power off than what they are used to in their planes,
that the trade off doesn't hold true for me.
>
> I'd rather have another 70 feet than an extra 10 mph to come about in my Firestar.
>
> John Tempest
> Firestar I 447
For what it's worth,
The principles involved are still the same, it's about energy mangement - how much
you have (potential and kinetic) vs how quickly it's dissipated by your particular
plane.
Oddly enough, tho, I practiced the engine-out on takeoff multiple times in my FS
II and always found the safest method to be pretty much the same as in most
other planes I've flown.
I found it safest to climb out flat at close to cruise speed up to about 50', after
that I could slow down to a better climb angle and still have plenty of energy
left to do a good landing.
The least safe method is Vx/Vy immediately upon leaving ground effect (tho sometimes
you have to do that and just grit your teeth ;)).
In my experience, this seems to be the case in the other planes I've flown, even
my trike, with the only variation being how high I can get before slowing down
and assuming a higher climb AOA.
Strange but true....
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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Merry Christmas to all,,,,,, and looking at the hour,,,, and to all a
good night!!!!
Boyd Young
Kolb MkIII C 560+ hours and counting
Brigham City Utah.
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