Kolb-List Digest Archive

Mon 12/29/08


Total Messages Posted: 25



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:29 AM - 503 engine fogging-OOPS (Tom Jones)
     2. 06:17 AM - Fogging 503 OOPS (Lanny Fetterman)
     3. 06:19 AM - Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS (olendorf)
     4. 07:02 AM - Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS (Mike Welch)
     5. 07:11 AM - Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS (Mike Welch)
     6. 07:33 AM - Re: Landing video Kolb MK III (JetPilot)
     7. 07:41 AM - Re: Kolb Flying Vids (JetPilot)
     8. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: Landing video Kolb MK III (John Hauck)
     9. 07:48 AM - Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS (Jack B. Hart)
    10. 08:23 AM - Re: Landing video Kolb MK III (lucien)
    11. 08:39 AM - !Re: Re: Landing video Kolb MK III (John Hauck)
    12. 09:02 AM - ! Re: Landing video Kolb MK III (lucien)
    13. 09:48 AM - Re: ! Re: Landing video Kolb MK III (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
    14. 09:53 AM - Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS (HShack@aol.com)
    15. 10:04 AM - Re: Landing video Kolb MK III (George Alexander)
    16. 10:51 AM - RVN (william sullivan)
    17. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: Landing video Kolb MK III (John Hauck)
    18. 02:12 PM - Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it. (Tom Jones)
    19. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it. (John Hauck)
    20. 03:15 PM - Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it. (Tom Jones)
    21. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it. (John Hauck)
    22. 04:06 PM - Re: videos (william sullivan)
    23. 04:31 PM - Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it. (Tom Jones)
    24. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it. (John Hauck)
    25. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it. (John Hauck)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:29:20 AM PST US
    Subject: 503 engine fogging-OOPS
    From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
    Does anyone have an idea on how to fish a fogging oil spray can plastic extension tube out of the crankcase on a 503? The engine is mounted spark plugs up and it was not running when the tube shot in there. I took the carb off but still can't see the tube. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221587#221587


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    Time: 06:17:13 AM PST US
    From: Lanny Fetterman <donaho1@verizon.net>
    Subject: Fogging 503 OOPS
    Tom and all, I did that same thing two years ago. I got the plastic straw out of the crank case using a four finger pick up tool. When I got it close to the carb inlet, I grabbed it with a pair of needle nose pliers and pulled it out. The difference between my problem and your`s is I could still see the tube stuck to the side of the crank case. Good luck on your fishing expedition, I hope you can find the plastic straw and remove it. Been there and done that! Last fall when I fogged my 503 I did NOT use the plastic straw! Lanny Fetterman N598LF FSII


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    Time: 06:19:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS
    From: "olendorf" <olendorf@gmail.com>
    I would try a shop vac. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221597#221597


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    Time: 07:02:11 AM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: 503 engine fogging-OOPS
    > Does anyone have an idea on how to fish a fogging oil spray can plastic extension tube out of the crankcase on a 503? The engine is mounted spark plugs up and it was not running when the tube shot in there. I took the carb off but still can't see the tube. > > -------- > Tom Jones > Classic IV > 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp > Ellensburg, WA Tom, I would recommend trying to get ahold of a boroscope (like the link I've attached), and one of those 4-fingered claws that Lanny suggested. If you don't want to buy a boroscope, most "well-equiped" auto repair mechanics have them. Possibly you could buy him lunch or something. Just an idea. Here's what I'm referring to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BORESCOPE-BOROSCOPE-FIBERSCOPE-FIBER-OPTIC-SCOPE-NEW_W0QQitemZ200290098469QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Automotive_Tools?hash=item200290098469&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A543%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Or, if you can get a set of those mechanic mirrors, this might get you by as far as peering into the crankcase. You can get these locally at any auto parts store. BTW, your best time to use the mirror is at night, with a really bright flashlight (and your 4-fingered claw). Also, as Scott suggested, you might try the shop-vac idea. I would tape a section of flexible tubing on the end of the hose, say, about 3 feet long, so that you can fish around inside the crankcase. Every couple of minutes, check for the tube inside the vacuum. Hang in there, you'll get it out. Mike Welch MkIII _________________________________________________________________ Its the same Hotmail. If by same you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008


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    Time: 07:11:03 AM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: 503 engine fogging-OOPS
    Tom, Here is the set of mirrors I was suggesting. Very handy to have. Maybe you wouldn't need the boroscope, if the spray tube isn't too far inside the motor. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4pc-TELESCOPING-INSPECTION-MIRROR-AND-PICKUP-MAGNET-SET_W0QQitemZ220334412737QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Automotive_Tools?hash=item220334412737&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A64%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Best of luck, Mike Welch _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista.


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    Time: 07:33:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing video Kolb MK III
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    John Hauck wrote: > > And.........I did it without any assistance from ___ ___'s. You'll have to > fill in the blanks. > > john h > Bored in hauck's holler, alabama I got it !! You air taxied without any assistance from " Landing Gear's " [Wink] Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221614#221614


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    Time: 07:41:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb Flying Vids
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    I knew your Kolb was highly modified, I never imagined that those mods would make it sound so cool ! Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221616#221616


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    Time: 07:41:08 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Landing video Kolb MK III
    > I got it !! You air taxied without any assistance from " Landing Gear's > " [Wink] > > Mike We have a beautiful day in Alabama. Sun shine, CAVU! Got a new DRE6000 ANR headset for Xmas to replace my old one. Need to do a little flying to see if it is going to get the job done. My hearing had degraded to the point I can not hear and understand without the ANR. Of course, where I fly, I can fly legally without a radio, if I have to. Hope everyone had a merry Xmas. john h mkIII


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    Time: 07:48:55 AM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS
    At 05:28 AM 12/29/08 -0800, you wrote: > >Does anyone have an idea on how to fish a fogging oil spray can plastic extension tube out of the crankcase on a 503? The engine is mounted spark plugs up and it was not running when the tube shot in there. I took the carb off but still can't see the tube. > >-------- Tom, No experience at this so this just a suggestion. Remove the intake manifold so that you have as good a view as possible. Then rotate the engine slowly so that the crank throw sweeps the case from the far side to the bottom and up. Hopefully this will bring the tube up into your field of vision as the port opens. Good Luck! Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN


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    Time: 08:23:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing video Kolb MK III
    From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
    John Hauck wrote: > > We have a beautiful day in Alabama. Sun shine, CAVU! > > Got a new DRE6000 ANR headset for Xmas to replace my old one. Need to do a > little flying to see if it is going to get the job done. My hearing had > degraded to the point I can not hear and understand without the ANR. Of > course, where I fly, I can fly legally without a radio, if I have to. > > Hope everyone had a merry Xmas. > > john h > mkIII You may find it's not your hearing so much as the headset. I flew my FSII with a rather crappy old headset and, when I moved it to KSAF, I could barely hear the tower at all. Even with the radio all the way up and with 20db foam earplugs underneath I could only catch every other word. Tower would have been more upset if it weren't for the pretty little kolb floating around the airport entertaining them. I got a telex 50D ANR a few months ago and that fixes all the problems with that even in the titan which is louder than my FS II was. I'd love to try it in an FS II to see how it works. But you're right, your hearing can't be replaced so investing in a good headset is a cost-no-object type thing IMO.... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221625#221625


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    Time: 08:39:20 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Landing video Kolb MK III
    > You may find it's not your hearing so much as the headset. > > LS Lucien: I wish that were the case. My old headset is a DRE6000. It has a lot of hours on it, plus the rats cut the power cord. Since it happened just prior to the holidays, was a good time to ask Santa Claus for a new one. My hearing has been bad since March 1966, from an incident in RVN. Was able to get through flight school and fly for many years dispite my hearing loss, but it is getting much worse, much sooner than I thought it would. Thank God for ANR! Without it, I would be lost. john h mkIII


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    Time: 09:02:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: ! Re: Landing video Kolb MK III
    From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
    John Hauck wrote: > > > > Lucien: > > I wish that were the case. > > My old headset is a DRE6000. It has a lot of hours on it, plus the rats cut > the power cord. Since it happened just prior to the holidays, was a good > time to ask Santa Claus for a new one. > > My hearing has been bad since March 1966, from an incident in RVN. Was able > to get through flight school and fly for many years dispite my hearing loss, > but it is getting much worse, much sooner than I thought it would. > > Thank God for ANR! Without it, I would be lost. > > john h > mkIII John, may I ask what RVN is? I'm a musician myself and have a slight hearing loss due to exposure to lots of loud but foul noise. In particular, I don't recover from loud noises nearly as well or as quickly as I used to. Even a short flight in the FSII as I recall with the old headset would leave me hearing impaired for a couple of days. On my last flight - short xcountry to taos and back to santa fe - even with the telex I noticed I was a little deef afterwards. I may start using earplugs even under the telex..... If I build a firefly (still cranking on that plan) I'll have to be even more careful as that's an even higher frequency scream..... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221639#221639


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    Time: 09:48:20 AM PST US
    From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: ! Re: Landing video Kolb MK III
    Lucien I have a Sigtronics head set with the Headsets ANR kit in them. They help a bunch but not enough so for a while I flew with ear plug also which caused hearing problems when tying to communicate. Lately I have been using Sony MDR-EX51LP headphones (like the MP3 players use) under my Sigtronics with the ANR on. These things are super for voice clarity and reduce outside noise almost as much as the foam ear plugs. No more ear ringing after flying. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Kolb-List: ! Re: Landing video Kolb MK III > > > John Hauck wrote: >> >> >> >> Lucien: >> >> I wish that were the case. >> >> My old headset is a DRE6000. It has a lot of hours on it, plus the rats >> cut >> the power cord. Since it happened just prior to the holidays, was a good >> time to ask Santa Claus for a new one. >> >> My hearing has been bad since March 1966, from an incident in RVN. Was >> able >> to get through flight school and fly for many years dispite my hearing >> loss, >> but it is getting much worse, much sooner than I thought it would. >> >> Thank God for ANR! Without it, I would be lost. >> >> john h >> mkIII > > > John, may I ask what RVN is? > > I'm a musician myself and have a slight hearing loss due to exposure to > lots of loud but foul noise. In particular, I don't recover from loud > noises nearly as well or as quickly as I used to. Even a short flight in > the FSII as I recall with the old headset would leave me hearing impaired > for a couple of days. > > On my last flight - short xcountry to taos and back to santa fe - even > with the telex I noticed I was a little deef afterwards. I may start using > earplugs even under the telex..... > > If I build a firefly (still cranking on that plan) I'll have to be even > more careful as that's an even higher frequency scream..... > > LS > > -------- > LS > Titan II SS > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221639#221639 > > >


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    Time: 09:53:30 AM PST US
    From: HShack@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS
    Can't you see a lot better with the exhaust manifold removed? Howard Shackleford FS II SC do not archive In a message dated 12/29/2008 8:29:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nahsikhs@elltel.net writes: Does anyone have an idea on how to fish a fogging oil spray can plastic extension tube out of the crankcase on a 503? **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now.


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    Time: 10:04:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing video Kolb MK III
    From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander@att.net>
    John Hauck wrote: > > > ......SNIP..... > > > We have a beautiful day in Alabama. Sun shine, CAVU! > > Got a new DRE6000 ANR headset for Xmas to replace my old one. > > ......SNIP..... > > John et al: I also have a DRE6000 that has proved to be very effective. Since it has not always been handled gently, I have been absolutely paranoid since Avionics West of TN stopped carrying them and I couldn't find them elsewhere. So John, where did Santa find you a DRE6000? Happy 2009 to everyone! We have the same beautiful day in SW FL! -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221662#221662


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    Time: 10:51:10 AM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: RVN
    - Lucien- RVN is Republic of Viet Nam.-John spent some time there. - do not archive - ------------------------- ------------------ Bill Sullivan


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    Time: 02:09:52 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Landing video Kolb MK III
    > So John, where did Santa find you a DRE6000? > -------- > George Alexander George A/Gang: Santa found the DRE-6000 at Aircraft Spruce. Yes, I had the same feelings as you when DRE went out of business. I had tried a $800.00 David Clark X headset that did not come up to the DRE in my airplane. Finally, got my money back. Here is the info and part number from Aircraft Spruce: Aircraft Spruce and Specialty Co Request For Quotation Thank you for your request for quotation. We are pleased to offer the DRE-6000 ENR HEADSET, part number 11-00543 at $359.95 USD . Please let us know if there is anything else we can help you with. To order, return to Aircraft Spruce electronic order form and add part number 11-00543 to your shopping cart. The manufacturers minimum advertised price (MAP) will be displayed when you place your order, but our order processing server will change it to this quoted price when it sends your confirmation. We appreciate your interest in our company. Happy New Year! john h mkIII


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    Time: 02:12:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it.
    From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
    Can't see into the crankcase from the exhaust side, only the top of the side and top of the piston. I used a small mechanic's mirror to look around in there from the intake and could see the little red bugger but managed to push it down out of sight trying to grab it with a flex claw. Ended up taking the cylinder off to get it out. Just ordered the gaskets to put the engine back together. It was an expensive lesson from the school of hard knocks. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221701#221701


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    Time: 02:19:22 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it.
    > It was an expensive lesson from the school of hard knocks. > > -------- > Tom Jones Tom J: Not a complete waste. Should have given you a good opportunity to inspect the inside of the 503. john h mkIII


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    Time: 03:15:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it.
    From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
    > Not a complete waste. Should have given you a good opportunity to inspect > the inside of the 503. > > john h Yes, it is reassuring to see that everything is in order inside the noise maker. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221708#221708


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    Time: 03:39:15 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it.
    > Tom Jones > Classic IV Tom J: What's a Classic IV? john h mkIII


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    Time: 04:06:57 PM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: Re: videos
    - John- Loved the sound of your engine on the fly-by.- Reminded me of t he time my house got buzzed by a late model P-51, while I stood on the lawn .- He did a hot pass at Bradley International and then circled around to land, so I got to see him twice.- I live one mile off the end of the runw ay.- I was busy yelling, jumping, and pointing.- Memorable moment. - do not archive - ------------------------- ------------------------ Bi ll Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------------ Wi ndsor Locks, ct.


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    Time: 04:31:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it.
    From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
    > Tom J: > > What's a Classic IV? Kitfox. Not too many people still use the 503 on a Kitfox so with engine questions I usually ask the Kolb list too. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221721#221721


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    Time: 04:41:04 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it.
    > Kitfox. Not too many people still use the 503 on a Kitfox so with engine questions I usually ask the Kolb list too. > -------- > Tom Jones Tom J: Several years ago, Rick Neilsen, Scott Trask, John W and I flew from Iron Mountain, MI, in a gaggle that included a 503 powered Kit Fox. Can't remember the man's name that flew it, but he was a very big man. Kit Fox did ok, but would not keep up with the MKIII and Kolbra. john h mkIII


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    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it.
    <gaggle that included a 503 powered Kit Fox. The gaggle flew to OSH. john h mkIII




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