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Mon 01/12/09


Total Messages Posted: 22



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:05 AM - Re: Pressurized motors (Thomas R. Riddle)
     2. 06:52 AM - Sebring (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
     3. 07:06 AM - Re: Pressurized motors (lucien)
     4. 07:11 AM - Re: Pressurized motors (Thom Riddle)
     5. 07:14 AM - Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann (Tom O'Hara)
     6. 07:27 AM - Re: Pressurized motors (George Alexander)
     7. 07:29 AM - Re: Pressurized motors (lucien)
     8. 07:33 AM - Re: Pressurized motors (Thom Riddle)
     9. 08:34 AM - Re: Pressurized motors (Jack B. Hart)
    10. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: Pressurized motors (herb)
    11. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann (Ed Chmielewski)
    12. 09:49 AM - Re: Building a trailer/maybe some ideas... (Dave Kulp)
    13. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann (pj.ladd)
    14. 10:34 AM - crappy ethanol (Larry Cottrell)
    15. 11:43 AM - HKS flight (Larry Cottrell)
    16. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann (russ kinne)
    17. 05:39 PM - Ernest Kellogg Gann (Mike Welch)
    18. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann (Beauford T)
    19. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann (John Hauck)
    20. 06:32 PM - Re: HKS flight (Jimmy Young)
    21. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: HKS flight (HShack@aol.com)
    22. 08:52 PM - Re: Sebring (John T. Schmidt)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:05:41 AM PST US
    From: "Thomas R. Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Pressurized motors
    ...My Rotax 503 makes a claimed 52 HP @ about 6,500 RPM..... I've seen folks calling the 503 DCDI engine a 52 hp engine countless times but none of the Rotax engine publications I've seen rate it at more than 49.6 hp (37kw). Anyone have any idea where this "52" comes from? Thom Riddle


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    Time: 06:52:58 AM PST US
    From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
    Subject: Sebring
    George Are you still going to Sebring? Do you want to share a ride? Saturday looks like a good day for me again. I can drive. Rick Neilsen


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    Time: 07:06:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pressurized motors
    From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
    Thom Riddle wrote: > ..My Rotax 503 makes a claimed 52 HP @ about 6,500 RPM..... > > > I've seen folks calling the 503 DCDI engine a 52 hp engine countless > times but none of the Rotax engine publications I've seen rate it at > more than 49.6 hp (37kw). > > Anyone have any idea where this "52" comes from? > > Thom Riddle I've seen this as the claimed HP for the free-air cooled version. I.e. 2 less HP that would otherwise be used to drive the cooling fan. LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224212#224212


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    Time: 07:11:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pressurized motors
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Lucien, That makes sense but have you ever seen a 503 DCDI engine without fan cooling? I've never seen one. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle N1208P RANS S6S, Tailwheel, 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- It is by universal misunderstanding that all agree. For if, by ill luck, people understood each other, they would never agree. - Charles Baudelaire Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224213#224213


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    Time: 07:14:46 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann
    From: "Tom O'Hara" <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
    Another great book for the icy Indy days is: Inside the Sky: A Meditation on Flight by William Langewiesche. It is a great insight into Mother Natures wrath and flying in her vengeance. Amazon has it for $5.00--well worth it. I have probably read it 5 times. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224214#224214


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    Time: 07:27:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pressurized motors
    From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander@att.net>
    Thom Riddle wrote: > Lucien, > That makes sense but have you ever seen a 503 DCDI engine without fan cooling? I've never seen one. > > do not archive Thom: Many tractors (Phantoms, Flightstar, MiniMax, etc...) use free air. -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224217#224217


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    Time: 07:29:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pressurized motors
    From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
    Thom Riddle wrote: > Lucien, > That makes sense but have you ever seen a 503 DCDI engine without fan cooling? I've never seen one. > > do not archive Yeah I've seen this on the Phantom. It requires replacing the fan housing with the one that doesn't have the fan on it and a free-air scoop in place of the regular cooling shroud. The cooling is simply accomplished by ram-air from the prop and relative wind. I believe the replacement housing is a rotax option, but the cooling shroud is a 3rd-party deal.... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224218#224218


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    Time: 07:33:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pressurized motors
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Live and learn. Still curious why I've never seen the 52 hp claim in any Rotax pubs. Maybe I've not dug into it deep enough. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle N1208P RANS S6S, Tailwheel, 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- It is by universal misunderstanding that all agree. For if, by ill luck, people understood each other, they would never agree. - Charles Baudelaire Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224219#224219


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    Time: 08:34:28 AM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: Re: Pressurized motors
    At 08:34 PM 1/11/09 -0700, you wrote: Dale, > The lean condition I was warning about is not from the increase in air density, it is from the decrease of vacuum in the venturi. > I believe this must be where I am getting lost. I see that venturi vacuum is dependent upon throttle opening and engine rpm plus carburetor up stream losses and/or conditions. Assuming engine timing is correct and mechanically sound and with no change in propeller pitch, what am I missing here? The raising carburetor inlet pressure 4.73 inches of water represents lowering the altitude by less than 500 feet. > The jetting on this bike may need to be changed several times per day, and is. This is why I made the comment about becoming a jetting expert. > This is why I worked on a cockpit adjustable air mixture control system. In principle it works much like the HACman, except that it is manually controlled. With it I can hold EGT and the gph rate constant for a fixed rpm. So far it appears to be saving fifteen cents of each fuel dollar. No apology needed. Another cold snowy day. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN


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    Time: 08:52:42 AM PST US
    From: herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
    Subject: Re: Pressurized motors
    a lot of this propaganda is written by the same folks who write "if it lasts more than 4 hours , see your doctor" !! :-) Herb At 09:32 AM 1/12/2009, you wrote: > >Live and learn. Still curious why I've never seen the 52 hp claim in >any Rotax pubs. Maybe I've not dug into it deep enough. > >do not archive > >-------- >Thom Riddle >N1208P RANS S6S, Tailwheel, 912UL >N197BG FS1/447 >-------------------- >It is by universal misunderstanding that all agree. For if, by ill >luck, people understood each other, they would never agree. > - Charles Baudelaire > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224219#224219 > >


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    Time: 09:10:00 AM PST US
    From: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann
    Hi All, Another great one is "Hammers of the Gods" by Martin Caidin, about the transition days from props to jets by the airlines. Documents the deadly mistakes brought on by ego, ignorance and chutzpah. Caidin has written many books on warbirds, had restored a Junkers JU-52 3-engine transport which is the one (IIRC) which appears in "Battle of Britain" circa 1968. Quite a character, looked like a Hell's Angel. Ed in JXN MkII/503 Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom O'Hara" <tohara@alphagraphics.com> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann > > Another great book for the icy Indy days is: > Inside the Sky: A Meditation on Flight by William Langewiesche. It is a > great insight into Mother Natures wrath and flying in her vengeance. > > Amazon has it for $5.00--well worth it. I have probably read it 5 times. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224214#224214 > > >


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    Time: 09:49:51 AM PST US
    From: Dave Kulp <undoctor@ptd.net>
    Subject: Re: Building a trailer/maybe some ideas...
    ** Dave.... I sure like that trailer/hangar....a really great Idea!.. Mighty Good looking Bird you have in there too! -------- Don G. Central Illinois Kitfox IV Speedster Luscombe 8A Hey Don, thanks for the compliment on the hangar. Much appreciated. Yep!! Shur is a pretty bird sitting inside. Wonder who the genius was who built it!!! Dave **


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    Time: 09:51:30 AM PST US
    From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann
    "Hammers of the Gods" by Martin Caidin, >> Hi, Caidin did a great one about the early days in space. Mercury,Gemini, Apollo etc Pat


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    Time: 10:34:11 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: crappy ethanol
    I haven't read any good books lately, but I have been doing some thinking on my ethanol experience. First Kudos to Richard Pike for his idea on how to make a usable cheap gascolator. Quite frankly it saved me from a very interesting experience. I would have made the runway if the engine had quit, but my laundry condition would have gotten me some flak from the missus. My observation is that the problem was caused by the ethanol breaking up the residue in my tank from 11 years of using two stroke oil. I know that many of you haven't been flying because of the weather, and may have missed out on using ethanol yet. If that is the case, I would suggest that either you soak your tanks in the stuff with the idea of using it to clean them, dumping the stuff afterwards, or buying new tanks to use with it. Might be a good time to invest in the new 6 gallon tanks from TNK. I bet they could use the business. Larry C, Oregon


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    Time: 11:43:56 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: HKS flight
    After I finished my observations about the use of ethanol, I stuck my head out the door to find that the temps had risen to 47 degrees and there was no wind, at least on the ground anyway, so I got my flying suit on and rolled Dart out of the hanger. If you remember I was interested to see what difference if any flying at 80 percent power would be compared to max cruise of 5800 rpm. I flew the same course that I did yesterday, under fairly close conditions. There was still a head wind component of about 10 mph. I saw GPS speeds of 63 MPH on the trip up to 73 across the top of the triangle that I was flying to 84 MPH on the down wind side. I flew the course in 24 minutes compared to 30 yesterday. I burned just a smidge less gas doing it. 1.5 gallons. Not sure why this happens to me, Roger Hankins with a Firestar I says that he can save gas by throttling back, but I never could even with the 503. The fuel burn is always the same. I guess it just means that I am polluting the world less or at least no more,by flying faster. I can live with that. Oh, this time I took my MP3 player with me and stuck the buds in my ears under the headset. (Sig 45 ) to get some idea of how loud I would need to turn them up to be able to hear it. I am happy to admit that the volume was only a little more than I would have turned them on the ground. Larry C, Oregon


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    Time: 04:07:23 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russ@rkiphoto.com>
    Subject: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann
    Hey list, just a trifle, and probably not even worth mentioning -- but I hate to see anyone mis-spelling a man's name, and repeatedly too. It's ERNEST Gann, (and ERNEST Hemingway too), not EARNEST -- No "A" Both very good writers, and they deserve to have their names spelled right. That's the least we can do. Russ Kinne


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    Time: 05:39:29 PM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Ernest Kellogg Gann
    Yes, Russ, as a matter of fact, it is worth mentioning. Thanks. Since good ol' Ernest seems to be of significant interest to a few, I thought I'd pass this little trivia along. Ernest Gann, and his wife, purchased a 1961 green and white Cessna 310 (new). Along the sides of the plane, near the cockpit, was the name "Noon Balloon". Evidently Ernest liked sleeping in quite late, and was in fact, known for showing up for morning appointments around noon, hence the name Noon Balloon. He, and his wife, often flew this 310 around the world, and it played a part in his adventures and stories. Around 1993, a good flying buddy of mine, Sturl Brunnel, bought Gann's Cessna 310, and parked it next to my first Cessna 172 on the ramp of our local airport, O45 (Nut Tree Airport, Vacaville, CA). I saw one day that Sturl had sold the plane, and told me some guy living in Florida bought it. I have flown in the Noon Balloon two times. A bunch of us Vacaville pilots used to fly our planes to our near-by airports and get a burger. I hitched a ride with Sturl a couple of times. A few days ago, I did an Internet search to see what happened to the "Noon Balloon", and there an article about a guy that now has it in the back of his hangar, with plans to make it the "finest 310 in the world", he says. I saw that he was located in Florida. Best regards, Mike Welch MkIII > From: russ@rkiphoto.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:06:07 -0500 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > Hey list, just a trifle, and probably not even worth mentioning -- > but I hate to see anyone mis-spelling a man's name, and repeatedly too. > It's ERNEST Gann, (and ERNEST Hemingway too), not EARNEST -- No "A" > Both very good writers, and they deserve to have their names spelled > right. > That's the least we can do. > Russ Kinne > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009


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    Time: 06:08:05 PM PST US
    From: "Beauford T" <beauford173@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann
    Right on, Russ... that was my mistake...saw it after I sent it that night, but was too lazy to fix it... (like Ethel...) Glad you brought it up... It needed fixing... Lazy beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "russ kinne" <russ@rkiphoto.com> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann > > Hey list, just a trifle, and probably not even worth mentioning -- > but I hate to see anyone mis-spelling a man's name, and repeatedly too. > It's ERNEST Gann, (and ERNEST Hemingway too), not EARNEST -- No "A" > Both very good writers, and they deserve to have their names spelled > right. > That's the least we can do. > Russ Kinne > > >


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    Time: 06:32:19 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann
    Glad you brought it up... It needed > fixing... > > Lazy beauford LB/Gang: Glad that problem got taken care of. I feel much better now, even though I just got home from the University of Alabama Birmingham School of Dentistry where I was used a dental dummy for students all afternoon long. Does anyone know where I could get a Ernest Kellogg Gann sticker to put on my Kolb? I have some new holes that needed covering. Nothing to look forward to at hauck's holler but freezing temps. Looking for 18F Thursday morning. That would freeze up my Chilli Vest. I have a new DRE6000 head set that I have not had the chance to fly with. I have worn them around the house beating on stuff to see how they work on the ground. May have to pull out the thermal underwear and hit the sky tomorrow if it is not too windy. john h mkIII Nothing like global warming...


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    Time: 06:32:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: HKS flight
    From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100@comcast.net>
    Larry, Those are really good #'s on your Firestar. If I see an 84 mph ground speed on the GPS and do a 180 turn, it will drop to somewhere around 30 mph. I've never done better than average maybe a 53-57 mph IAS in mine. If you get a chance, post some more photos of the completed installation for us. -------- Jimmy Young FS II, Generac V-Twin Houston TX area Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224387#224387


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    Time: 07:36:51 PM PST US
    From: HShack@aol.com
    Subject: Re: HKS flight
    Since the list is kinda' quiet, I will post some of my speeds [calm air, gps verified]. 5600 rpm- 65 mph 6500 rpm [wot]- 81 mph Except for a local FS II with 582, my speeds seem a good bit higher than other FS II's around here. I also outclimb them. I believe it's because of my setup; that being a "C" box, 3.47:1. & 68" 3 blade Kiev prop. Oh, & maybe the VG's have something to do with it [hehehe]. Howard Shackleford FS II SC do not archive In a message dated 1/12/2009 9:32:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jdy100@comcast.net writes: Larry, Those are really good #'s on your Firestar. If I see an 84 mph ground speed on the GPS and do a 180 turn, it will drop to somewhere around 30 mph. I've never done better than average maybe a 53-57 mph IAS in mine. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! cemailfooterNO62)


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    Time: 08:52:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sebring
    From: "John T. Schmidt" <adlerflug1@yahoo.com>
    Gentlemen: AeroLIFE Industries will be in Tent D booth 18 during Sebring, stop by and say hello, check out the free samples and our daily door prize. See you at the Show January 22/25 2009. Sincerely, John T. Schmidt, CFI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224417#224417




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