---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/13/09: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:03 AM - Re: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann (pj.ladd) 2. 03:26 AM - ethenol (Ted Cowan) 3. 07:00 AM - alcohol (zeprep251@aol.com) 4. 07:29 AM - Re: ethenol (Jack B. Hart) 5. 08:34 AM - Re: ethenol (John Hauck) 6. 09:40 AM - Re: ethenol (Jack B. Hart) 7. 12:20 PM - Re: Ernest Kellogg Gann (Ed Chmielewski) 8. 12:37 PM - Re: Ernest Kellogg Gann (boyd) 9. 12:59 PM - Re: Ernest Kellogg Gann (russ kinne) 10. 03:41 PM - MK3X Flap Bell Crank Pivot (Rick Lewis) 11. 04:22 PM - MK3X Aileron Cable Bracket Misalignment (Rick Lewis) 12. 07:34 PM - Re: ethenol (Jim Baker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:06 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann That's the least we can do.>> Sorry Russ, My fault. I mentioned Gann and couldn`t remember his initials. Someone among the dozens who were quick to help me out must have made an error. I should have looked it up in the first place Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:29 AM PST US From: "Ted Cowan" Subject: Kolb-List: ethenol I know most of you think I am just pulling someone's chain about Sta-bil and its ethanol additive. I have been using it in most all my stuff since it came out. (used the stuff from a marine supplier first, same stuff) I bought some alki mixed gas -- about all we have here, checked it for alki with my olive/water bottle checker and yep, ten percent or thereabouts. Put 1/2 ounce of sta-bil for ethanol in it and checked it again. Wow, showed NO alki. The bubbles and stuff settled quicker and the water DID NOT MIX and the alki stayed mixed just like the web site said. That means that as long as the alki stays mixed with the gas, it cannot hurt you. If it comes unmixed as it does without the sta-bil, you got water collection time and a good chance of chewing up a large chunk of alki straight to your pistons. That of course, might lead to a very dry situation in the cylinder and a stuck piston or at least some stuck rings. So, gents, what I am saying is that this stuff really works. Anybody out there that is willing to take the chance without it, well, you gonna find out how right I am sooner or later. You WILL get scuffed pistons and the like without the additive. Besides that, it supposedly keeps the fuel from degrading and I gotta tell you, in this weird cold/hot/wet/dry weather we are having of late, well, it definately stablizes it cause my 912 starts right up and that is better than last year. I have already had to replace the gas lines in my garden tractor because of that alki. Using it all the time now. Try it, you'll like it. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Slingshot, 912UL. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:38 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: alcohol From: zeprep251@aol.com Not sure about this,but the addition of Xylene, Toluene and N-hexane in unleaded gas to help keep the alcohol from separating may be more of a problem than just the alky alone.It seems like the older planes with sloshed tanks have a great deal of trouble with car gas.The slosh comes off and pollutes the fuel system. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:56 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ethenol Two Cyclers, Another option is to use Opti-2. I have been using it for several years. It is smoke free, contains a fuel stabilizer, and it is ethanol compatible. You can check it out at: http://www.opti2-4.com More snow. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:50 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ethenol > Another option is to use Opti-2. I have been using it for several years. > It is smoke free, contains a fuel stabilizer, and it is ethanol > compatible. > You can check it out at: > > http://www.opti2-4.com > > More snow. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 Jack: $15.00 a quart (actually 34 oz) is too spendy for me, 2 or 4 stroke. How does "chemical rebuild" work? john h mkIII Cabin fever! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:21 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ethenol At 10:30 AM 1/13/09 -0600, you wrote: >Jack: > > $15.00 a quart (actually 34 oz) is too spendy for me, 2 or 4 stroke. > >How does "chemical rebuild" work? > John, I buy it in the five gallon pails. Cuts the cost about in half. As far as the "chemical rebuild", I don't know. It appears to be a detergent additive. I don't see a need for it in a 2-cycle engine. Supposed to get more snow tomorrow, and then the temperature is to drop well below zero over the weekend. Looks like more basement shop and read a book time. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:39 PM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ernest Kellogg Gann Hi Mike, Also had an ex-Gann plane sighting a few years ago, about 1975/76. Happened at Toledo Suburban (DUH), was taxiing by some T-hangars and saw an open one with a rather odd seaplane twin being gone over by its owner. Plane looked a little like a Republic Twin Bee, but wasn't. Twin pusher engines behind gull-wings and a rounded nose, very odd. Turned out not only was it a very elegant Piaggio Royal Gull, but it was previously owned by Gann who had carried John Wayne and other celebs on occasional fishing trips. Anyone flying Kolbs north of the Mason-Dixon line this week? Ed in JXN MkII/503 Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Welch" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:38 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Ernest Kellogg Gann > > > Yes, Russ, as a matter of fact, it is worth mentioning. Thanks. > > Since good ol' Ernest seems to be of significant interest to a few, I > thought I'd pass this little trivia along. > > Ernest Gann, and his wife, purchased a 1961 green and white Cessna 310 > (new). Along the sides of the plane, near the cockpit, was the name "Noon > Balloon". Evidently Ernest liked sleeping in quite late, and was in fact, > known for showing up for morning appointments around noon, hence the name > Noon Balloon. > He, and his wife, often flew this 310 around the world, and it played a > part in his adventures and stories. > > Around 1993, a good flying buddy of mine, Sturl Brunnel, bought Gann's > Cessna 310, and parked it next to my first Cessna 172 on the ramp of our > local airport, O45 (Nut Tree Airport, Vacaville, CA). I saw one day that > Sturl had sold the plane, and told me some guy living in Florida bought > it. > I have flown in the Noon Balloon two times. A bunch of us Vacaville > pilots used to fly our planes to our near-by airports and get a burger. I > hitched a ride with Sturl a couple of times. > > A few days ago, I did an Internet search to see what happened to the > "Noon Balloon", and there an article about a guy that now has it in the > back of his hangar, with plans to make it the "finest 310 in the world", > he says. I saw that he was located in Florida. > > Best regards, > Mike Welch > MkIII > > >> From: russ@rkiphoto.com >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann >> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:06:07 -0500 >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >> >> >> Hey list, just a trifle, and probably not even worth mentioning -- >> but I hate to see anyone mis-spelling a man's name, and repeatedly too. >> It's ERNEST Gann, (and ERNEST Hemingway too), not EARNEST -- No "A" >> Both very good writers, and they deserve to have their names spelled >> right. >> That's the least we can do. >> Russ Kinne >> >> >> >> >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:10 PM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Ernest Kellogg Gann Don't know where the Mason-Dixon line is,,,,, but we are flying in Brigham City Ut. 50 miles north of Salt Lake City [Boyd] Do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:45 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ernest Kellogg Gann There was a Piaggio Royal Gull flying in the Cleveland OH area many years ago. Not many around, maybe same one? do not archive On Jan 13, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Ed Chmielewski wrote: > > > Hi Mike, > > Also had an ex-Gann plane sighting a few years ago, about > 1975/76. Happened at Toledo Suburban (DUH), was taxiing by some T- > hangars and saw an open one with a rather odd seaplane twin being > gone over by its owner. Plane looked a little like a Republic Twin > Bee, but wasn't. Twin pusher engines behind gull-wings and a > rounded nose, very odd. Turned out not only was it a very elegant > Piaggio Royal Gull, but it was previously owned by Gann who had > carried John Wayne and other celebs on occasional fishing trips. > Anyone flying Kolbs north of the Mason-Dixon line this week? > > Ed in JXN > MkII/503 > Do not archive. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Welch" > > To: > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:38 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Ernest Kellogg Gann > > >> >> >> Yes, Russ, as a matter of fact, it is worth mentioning. Thanks. >> >> Since good ol' Ernest seems to be of significant interest to a >> few, I thought I'd pass this little trivia along. >> >> Ernest Gann, and his wife, purchased a 1961 green and white >> Cessna 310 (new). Along the sides of the plane, near the cockpit, >> was the name "Noon Balloon". Evidently Ernest liked sleeping in >> quite late, and was in fact, known for showing up for morning >> appointments around noon, hence the name Noon Balloon. >> He, and his wife, often flew this 310 around the world, and it >> played a part in his adventures and stories. >> >> Around 1993, a good flying buddy of mine, Sturl Brunnel, bought >> Gann's Cessna 310, and parked it next to my first Cessna 172 on >> the ramp of our local airport, O45 (Nut Tree Airport, Vacaville, >> CA). I saw one day that Sturl had sold the plane, and told me >> some guy living in Florida bought it. >> I have flown in the Noon Balloon two times. A bunch of us >> Vacaville pilots used to fly our planes to our near-by airports >> and get a burger. I hitched a ride with Sturl a couple of times. >> >> A few days ago, I did an Internet search to see what happened to >> the "Noon Balloon", and there an article about a guy that now has >> it in the back of his hangar, with plans to make it the "finest >> 310 in the world", he says. I saw that he was located in Florida. >> >> Best regards, >> Mike Welch >> MkIII >> >> >> >>> From: russ@rkiphoto.com >>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Earnest Kellogg Gann >>> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:06:07 -0500 >>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >>> >>> >>> Hey list, just a trifle, and probably not even worth mentioning -- >>> but I hate to see anyone mis-spelling a man's name, and >>> repeatedly too. >>> It's ERNEST Gann, (and ERNEST Hemingway too), not EARNEST -- No "A" >>> Both very good writers, and they deserve to have their names spelled >>> right. >>> That's the least we can do. >>> Russ Kinne >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. >> http://windowslive.com/explore? >> ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:56 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: MK3X Flap Bell Crank Pivot From: "Rick Lewis" I have attached pictures of the bronze bushing pivot point I have installed on my MK3X in the flap bell-crank area. In my opinion everyone should consider doing this also. This can only be done by making addition brackets to hold the bushing as I have done. There is not enough metal available to simply install the bushing to the existing metal tang area. This modification is easy to do as your building the plane but not easily modified on existing aircraft as the hinges would have to be shifted over because of the thickness of the new plate that holds the bushing. I can see excessive wear in this area without the bushings. I have installed bushings in the elevator to boom tube also. Rick Lewis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224606#224606 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/misc_pics_004_565.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/misc_pics_006_116.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/misc_pics_009_207.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:47 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: MK3X Aileron Cable Bracket Misalignment From: "Rick Lewis" This picture shows what can happen if you build the ailerons exactly as shown in the plans. Since the MK3X uses a cable to move the ailerons there is a 90 degree bracket in the wing where the cable bolts to. This cable needs to be in good alignment with the bell crank on the aileron. This bell crank is attached to the middle rib on the aileron. If you build the aileron up as shown in the plans you will end up with a problem as shown in the picture. The fix is to mount the 90 degree bracket on standoffs, install another rib next to the one shown or DON'T put this rib in place until after your ready to align the cable hook up. BUMMER [Shocked] Rick Lewis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224619#224619 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/misc_pics_011_413.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:11 PM PST US From: "Jim Baker" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ethenol X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) X-SpamReason %%SpamReason%%: > Another option is to use Opti-2. I have been using it for several years. > It is smoke free, contains a fuel stabilizer, and it is ethanol compatible. > You can check it out at: This is not an ad for OPTI-2...though that is what I also use....but rather an endorsement of what a good 100:1 oil will do for you. 500 hours and absolutely no coke or carbon. No teardowns to de- carbon...there isn't any. Only one spark plug change at 350 hrs, and didn't really need to do that since plugs looked like a four stroke's would. The dirty secret of almost all 50:1 oils is that they are cut about 25 to 30% with Stoddards solvent to promote miscibility...and here you thought it was all lubricant. In reality the 50:1 oils are running about 65-70:1 ratios, fuel to lubricant. Jim Baker 580.788.2779 405. 426.5377 cell Elmore City, OK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.