---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/18/09: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:13 AM - Re: HKS flight (pj.ladd) 2. 06:08 AM - Re: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing (Thom Riddle) 3. 07:02 AM - Altimeter setting and private fields, was: Re: HKS flight (Dana Hague) 4. 07:48 AM - Re: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing (grantr) 5. 07:59 AM - Re: Another Windshield Install Question (Jack B. Hart) 6. 08:22 AM - Re: New pages added (VICTOR PETERS) 7. 08:32 AM - reincarnation/windshields (robert bean) 8. 09:07 AM - Re: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 9. 09:14 AM - Re: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing (lucien) 10. 09:26 AM - Re: Any Kolbers on Facebook? (icrashrc) 11. 09:41 AM - Re: New pages added (icrashrc) 12. 09:46 AM - Re: New pages added (icrashrc) 13. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Any Kolbers on Facebook? (Larry Cottrell) 14. 10:16 AM - Re: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing (chris davis) 15. 10:28 AM - Re: reincarnation/windshields () 16. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing (John Hauck) 17. 11:43 AM - Re: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing (Beauford T) 18. 11:54 AM - Dave Bigelow Down (henry.voris) 19. 11:58 AM - Re: Dave Bigelow Down (John Hauck) 20. 11:59 AM - Re: reincarnation/windshields (robert bean) 21. 12:03 PM - Dave Bigelow (John Hauck) 22. 02:17 PM - Front Nose Skid Tube (Rick Lewis) 23. 03:11 PM - Re: Front Nose Skid Tube (planecrazzzy) 24. 03:27 PM - Re: Front Nose Skid Tube (Rick Lewis) 25. 03:32 PM - Re: C90 Brakes (Rick Lewis) 26. 03:38 PM - Re: Front Nose Skid Tube (grantr) 27. 03:47 PM - Re: Dave Bigelow Down (JetPilot) 28. 03:58 PM - Re: Re: Dave Bigelow Down (robert bean) 29. 03:58 PM - Re: Looking forward to MV /wheel Pants (Nelson, Craig) 30. 04:23 PM - Re: Looking forward to MV /wheel Pants (Dave Rains) 31. 04:36 PM - Re: Dave Bigelow down (william sullivan) 32. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: Dave Bigelow Down (Larry Cottrell) 33. 05:25 PM - Re: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing (lucien) 34. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Any Kolbers on Facebook? (Robert Laird) 35. 07:50 PM - Re: Looking forward to MV /wheel Pants (possums) 36. 10:03 PM - Re: Re: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing (possums) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:48 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS flight But you still need to set your altimeter to sea level in order to enter the traffic pattern at the correct altitude at any destination airport other than where you took off from, no?>> Regional pressure (QNH) we would ordinarily set for x-country. All being equal if you didnt change that and you landed at a field shown as 447ft on your chart you would have 447ft on your altimeter. Usually an airfield will give you the local pressure (QFE) along with landing instructions. When you have landed your altimeter will show zero. The reason here for having `private` fields or PPR is usually not for reasons of liability, which don`t feature as so important here as they do for you. They are usually PPR so that landing instructions can be given, `avoid flying over the village` `keep east of the railway line` `watch for electricity pylons on the approach`. That sort of thing. Sometimes it is because the local Council when giving permission for the field to be used for flying have imposed a limit to the number of landings and take offs per year. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:27 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing From: "Thom Riddle" Like Lucien, I much prefer slipping all the way down final and for the same reasons he stated. Also, it appears to me that your bounce was at least partly due to carrying more airspeed than ideal at touchdown. The winds you experienced are considered calm to light in this part of the world. That is not to belittle you or your landing in anyway, just to let you know that with practice (like you are doing) most Kolbs can be safely landed in stronger winds. A few months ago there was a low-wing Piper (Cherokee or some a newer incarnation of a Cherokee) wrecked at our airfield in gusting cross-winds. The private pilot who recently earned her ticket refused to get serious cross-wind training in wind conditions over her "personal minimums" not realizing how important it is. When she left on this incident flight the winds were fairly light with very little cross-wind component. When she returned, they were stronger, gusting and directly across the runway. Instead of going to a nearby airport with wind-aligned runway, she figured she could handle it without the training. She got it down without injuring herself but the airplane was bent up. Practice is the only way to learn these skills. -------- Thom Riddle N1208P RANS S6S, Tailwheel, 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- It is by universal misunderstanding that all agree. For if, by ill luck, people understood each other, they would never agree. - Charles Baudelaire Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225454#225454 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:40 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Altimeter setting and private fields, was: Re: Kolb-List: HKS flight At 06:12 AM 1/18/2009, pj.ladd wrote: > >Regional pressure (QNH) we would ordinarily set for x-country. All being >equal if you didnt change that and you landed at a field shown as 447ft on >your chart you would have 447ft on your altimeter. > >Usually an airfield will give you the local pressure (QFE) along with >landing instructions. When you have landed your altimeter will show zero. OK, that's different. Here the field would give you "altimeter setting" which is always QNH. The "Q" codes aren't used much here. > The reason here for having `private` fields or PPR is usually not for > reasons of liability, which don`t feature as so important here as they do > for you. They are usually PPR so that landing instructions can be given, > `avoid flying over the village` `keep east of the railway line` `watch > for electricity pylons on the approach`. That sort of thing. Sometimes it > is because the local Council when giving permission for the field to be > used for flying have imposed a limit to the number of landings and take > offs per year. Liability is certainly a factor, but the major reason for private fields here is probably simply because the owner who has an airstrip behind his house doesn't want to be bothered with a bunch of people flying in and out. Listing a field for public use also may impose a higher standard of required maintenance... if you land at a public airport and bend your airplane rolling into a ditch across the runway you have good reason to be upset; at a private field it's your own fault if you weren't supposed to land there without prior permission anyway. -Dana -- Help Wanted: Telepath. You know where to apply. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:30 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing From: "grantr" Thanks guys. Yes I know 7kts is not too bad [Embarassed] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225465#225465 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:56 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Another Windshield Install Question At 06:54 PM 1/17/09 -0800, you wrote: > > I will be installing my windows soon and am wondering if once the windshield is clamped into place can you apply heat with heat lamps at a distance so the lexan would take the shape of the bend. It seams like a mild heat would make the lexan take the new shape and therefore would not have continuous strain on the rivets. Maybe this happens naturally over time, out in the sun. Whats ya think? > Rick, A few years back I was involved with the design and construction of TV component manufacturing equipment. We hid numerical controls in out of the way places and to protect them from dust and moisture we used thin lexan covers. These covers were mechanically formed up using sheet metal forming equipment. Thin lexan will form a permanent right angle bend with out cracking. I believe that if you used some blankets for surface protection and a few two by fours on a smooth garage floor, plus the front wheel of a car, you could bend your windshield to the desired curvature. Before trying heat, I would check out what it does to a piece of scrap. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:59 AM PST US From: "VICTOR PETERS" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New pages added Scott, I noticed a third brace- support for the elevator tube that connects to both control sticks. I could use one as I have a little play. Did you add it or do they come that way? Any suggestions as how to install one after the fact? Anyone? Vic MKIIIX 912 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:57 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: reincarnation/windshields several years ago my MkIII had: 1. a 912 engine 2 a different cage/nose 3. a different left wing 4. a simple curve windshield cote now: a suzuki engine (BTW those two blades came from the original prop) two bend windshield been through a lot but still flies -BB DSCN1711.JPG
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:12 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing Grant I tend to land using the technique you describe. During my pilot training I was taught to retract flaps during cross wind landings to increase control effectiveness due to increased landing speed. Grass runways are always easer for Kolbs to land on so use them were they are available. Also due to our low stall speeds we have the ability to land across the runway when the winds pick up. Be considerate of landing patterns by staying in the same orientation of the runway as normal till short final. Set up for landing as if you are going to land on the down wind side of the runway and use your flaps. On short final when you are between runway lights turn into the wind and land on the runway. Again common sense prevails. In the situation you talked about landing maybe 10 degrees off runway direction and more into the wind would have helped without shortening your runway length enough to bother you. I have landed in winds using these techniques where I couldn't taxi without a few unintended 360s. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "grantr" Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:44 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing > > I had my 1st big challenge today with wind! The forecast was for 5mph > winds however the wind was low but gusty and turbulent at times and > variable in direction. On my final I checked the AWOS and it had winds at > 7knots from 180o and I was landing on 23. > > The air was a bit rough descending down through 500 to 100 feet and the > wind was pushing me away from centerline. I had the plane in a crap on > most of the approach keeping center. Once I got lower 100 feet I went to > the slide slip. It took a boot full or right rudder to get the nose > straight with the runway. I think I was close to max deflection. Of course > once the nose is straight ailerons have to be turned into the wind or the > dreaded side drift occurs. Anyway i used power all the way down to flair. > > I usually approach 65 mph to 70 I used 75 to 80 on this one. All was > looking pretty good until I backed off the power. At this point I am in > the round out stage and as the speed decreases I start drifting again and > the nose starts trying to go into the wind again. > > After a bit of fighting the wind I touch down ok but the plane bounces > back up about 10 to 15 feet. I chase it with power touch down again bounce > again and finally touch down one last time and stay planted! > > Asphalt seem to aggravate cross wind landing a good bit over grass. > > What method do you guys use during cross wind landings crab or sideslip? > > Any suggestions for me? i know I need more practice for one since I am > a low time pilot. > > Grant > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225412#225412 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:45 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing From: "lucien" grantr wrote: > Thanks guys. Yes I know 7kts is not too bad [Embarassed] Well in my FSII if it was shifty or gusty, even winds around 7kts could be challenging. I had to drive it onto the runway a few times in gusty xwinds, basically flying the thing all the way down to taxi speeds and even to the hangar. Landing too hot really is kind of dangerous. I adopted the half the gust factor speed increase only, and carried some power into the flare instead. I do that in my current plane as well rather than really try to come in hot. What you want is energy available in those dips that happen in the flare so you can prevent whacking the ground. But you also want the plane flying as little as possible once the wheels are on the ground.... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225479#225479 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:06 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolbers on Facebook? From: "icrashrc" You need to join to see. Bummer... -------- Scott www.ill-EagleAviation.com do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225483#225483 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:23 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New pages added From: "icrashrc" As will I. Right now all of our mods add up to an added 22lbs. On the other hand Rick Lewis just posted the that the factory wingtips and seatpan add 29 lbs. so we're still ahead of that game. I'll post total weight when we complete the plane. slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote: > We will be interested in your all up weight. > BB > > -------- Scott www.ill-EagleAviation.com do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225485#225485 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:33 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New pages added From: "icrashrc" That third brace was part of the dual control stick option. Dennis @ Kolb had already put that on as it's captured during his welding of the assembly. [quote="vicsv(at)verizon.net"]Scott, I noticed a third brace- support for the elevator tube that connects to both control sticks. I could use one as I have a little play. Did you add it or do they come that way? Any suggestions as how to install one after the fact? Anyone? Vic MKIIIX 912 > [b] -------- Scott www.ill-EagleAviation.com do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225487#225487 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:41 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolbers on Facebook? ----- Original Message ----- From: icrashrc To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolbers on Facebook? You need to join to see. Bummer... -------- Scott Agreed, it is a pain in the butt, but since I had another friend bugging me to do it, I bit the bullet and did so. Larry C, Oregon ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:02 AM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing Hi guys , I come from cape cod ma. and most of my 492 hrs were flown in 15 to 25 mph wind and as- I learned to fly in a glider and got my private gl ider license in a switzer 233 I learned having only one wheel to use the cr ab aproach and it worked well for me in my Firestar KXP even a Strong cross wind but I must admit to using the entire with of the runway some days lan ding as much as 25 degrees across the runway but at way below 70mph I mean closer to45 -50- just my 2 cents . Chris=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________ ______________=0AFrom: Richard & Martha Neilsen =0AT o: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:06:09 PM=0AS ubject: Re: Kolb-List: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing=0A=0A--> Kolb-Lis t message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" =0A =0AGrant=0A=0AI tend to land using the technique you describe. During my pi lot training I was taught to retract flaps during cross wind landings to in crease control effectiveness due to increased landing speed.=0A=0AGrass run ways are always easer for Kolbs to land on so use them were they are availa ble.=0A=0AAlso due to our low stall speeds we have the ability to land acro ss the runway when the winds pick up. Be considerate of landing patterns by staying in the same orientation of the runway as normal till short final. Set up for landing as if you are going to land on the down wind side of the runway and use your flaps. On short final when you are between runway ligh ts turn into the wind and land on the runway. Again common sense prevails. In the situation you talked about landing maybe 10 degrees off runway direc tion and more into the wind would have helped without shortening your runwa y length enough to bother you.=0A=0AI have landed in winds using these tech niques where I couldn't taxi without a few unintended 360s.=0A=0ARick Neils en=0ARedrive VW Powered MKIIIC=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- From: "gra ntr" =0ATo: =0ASent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:44 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Crab vs sideslip nt_richardson25@yahoo.com>=0A> =0A> I had my 1st big challenge today with w ind!- The forecast was for 5mph winds however the wind was low but gusty and turbulent at times and variable in direction. On my final I checked the AWOS and it had winds at 7knots from 180o and I was landing on 23.=0A> =0A > The air was a bit rough descending down through 500 to 100 feet and the w ind was pushing me away from centerline. I had the plane in a- crap- on most of the approach keeping center. Once I got lower 100 feet I went to t he slide slip.- It took a boot full or right rudder to get the nose strai ght with the runway. I think I was close to max deflection. Of course once the nose is straight ailerons have to be turned into the wind or the dreade d side drift occurs. Anyway i used power all the way down to flair.=0A> =0A > I usually approach 65 mph to 70 I used 75 to 80 on this one.- All was l ooking pretty good until I backed off the power. At this point I am in the round out stage and as the speed decreases I start drifting again and the n ose starts trying to go into the wind again.=0A> =0A> After a bit of fighti ng the wind I touch down ok but the plane bounces back up about 10 to 15 fe et. I chase it with power touch down again bounce again and finally touch d own one last time and stay planted!=0A> =0A> Asphalt seem to aggravate cros s wind landing a good bit over grass.=0A> =0A> What method do you guys use during cross wind landings crab or sideslip?=0A> =0A> Any suggestions for m e? i know I need more practice for one since I am=0A> a low time pilot.=0A> =0A> Grant=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> h ttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225412#225412=0A> =0A> =0A> ====0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:29 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: reincarnation/windshields Bob, I see that now you have a center section gap seal. Does it fly differently? N4201G in California ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:18 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing But you also want the plane flying as little as possible once the wheels are on the ground.... > > LS Lucien: Push the stick forward on touch down when above flying speed. It will pin it to the ground. Trying to three point and stall in gusty conditions in a Kolb will usually result in the Kolb hovering when we want it on the ground, especially with full flaps. It can be a challenge landing a Kolb in windy, gusty conditions. Sometimes I am more passenger than pilot in severe situations of wind and turbulence. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:34 AM PST US From: "Beauford T" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing Grant: The answer I recommend is go get a little bit of dual instruction in crosswind techniques...a couple of hours with a good instructor ought to do it... I believe crosswind techniques, not just for landings, but takeoffs as well, fall into that unique category of things that are best learned by repetetive hands-on instruction with a teacher showing and demonstrating. Crosswind techniques aren't really difficult or mysterious, but they are a little different. I would definitely not include them in the category of things to read about and then go out to try by yourself on a windy crosswind day. Once the Kolb light comes on over your head during the dual instruction, the techniques will become intuitively simple and you can then practice solo in gradually increasing wind situations until you get where you want to be... After you get good at it, you might even find yourself looking for crosswind situations just for the fun of executing the techniques. I don't believe it is worth risking your neck or your airplane doing the self-teaching thingy. Those 75 or 80 mph strafing-run approaches ain't the answer... As usual, worth what ye paid fer it.... beauford, the Aluminum Butcher of Brandon FF-076 > Any suggestions for me? i know I need more practice for one since I am > a low time pilot. > > Grant > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225412#225412 > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:31 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Dave Bigelow Down From: "henry.voris" 18jan09, I just got off the phone with Mrs.Bigelow... Dave and his glider went missing on the Big Island last Friday. The search teams found wreckage this morning and are on their way to conferm that it is Dave... Sorry, Henry FireFly Five-Charlie-Bravo -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225511#225511 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:33 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dave Bigelow Down > I just got off the phone with Mrs.Bigelow... Dave and his glider went missing on the Big Island last Friday. > Henry Henry: That is terrible news. Please keep us informed when you get some news. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:50 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: reincarnation/windshields That's been on there for a long time. The important thing was putting on the root fences because it flew terrible without them. re: landing in gusty crosswinds.. It helps to have a nice broad grassy field ahead. My south end has a narrow gap with trees on both sides. If I have to land through them in those conditions I carry extra speed for reasons you can understand. John H: google earth cut 200' off my presumed 1300' strip. :) BB On 18, Jan 2009, at 1:26 PM, wrote: > > Bob, I see that now you have a center section gap seal. Does it > fly differently? N4201G in California > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:28 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Dave Bigelow Gang: Here is a recent article on Dave: http://www.starbulletin.com/news/20090118_Missing_glider_pilot_often_caught_big_air.html john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:53 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Front Nose Skid Tube From: "Rick Lewis" I have noticed that several Kolbs have a front skid tube installed. I think this is a good idea and am wondering how it is made and how its attached to the cage. Is it a solid piece of steel rod, tubing or what? Rick Lewis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225528#225528 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:08 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Front Nose Skid Tube From: "planecrazzzy" http://wingsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=174 Here's an address that tells about the one I used.... It attached on tubes that went across the frame.... I only used it til I got the "feel" of how easy or not it wanted to nose over.... it's off now. Gotta Fly... -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225539#225539 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Front Nose Skid Tube From: "Rick Lewis" Thanks for the pics. That's a little more of a bumper than I want. I will probably come up with one considerably smaller. Rick Lewis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225540#225540 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:27 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: C90 Brakes From: "Rick Lewis" Thanks for all the input on this. I believe I will be going with the Matco brakes with a 6" tire instead of the 5". I will also modify the ratio of the brake pedal as I saw some time ago that this may be a problem, 1:1 just won't do it. Rick Lewis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225544#225544 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:17 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Front Nose Skid Tube From: "grantr" The skid on my MK III is bolted to the frame. I think its steel tubing since it has flanges welded to it to bolt to the cage. I will keep it on my plane just in case I have to land in a plowed field. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225546#225546 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:20 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Dave Bigelow Down From: "JetPilot" Its been confirmed, my Uncle Dave was killed while attempting the altitude record on Friday. He was an excellent pilot, and one of the smartest guys you would ever meet. Had it not been for Daves good advice and cautions about the dangers associated with ultralight flying, I would have probably never survived my first solo and ultralight flying back in the early 80's. He will be missed. Dave did not attempt this record without doing his research and approaching it slowly and cautiously, he has been up in the lower 30's several times in this glider with no major problems. I can only guess that there must have been a mechanical problem with the oxygen system in his sailplane. Its always hard to see family taken from us early, but he was fortunate to have lived life to the fullest anyone possibly could have, and to have been able to do what he loved until the end. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225550#225550 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:06 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Dave Bigelow Down to all his family and close friends, please accept my mutual feelings of sorrow for the loss of a good member of the Kolb family. BB On 18, Jan 2009, at 6:47 PM, JetPilot wrote: > > Its been confirmed, my Uncle Dave was killed while attempting the > altitude record on Friday. He was an excellent pilot, and one of > the smartest guys you would ever meet. Had it not been for Daves > good advice and cautions about the dangers associated with > ultralight flying, I would have probably never survived my first > solo and ultralight flying back in the early 80's. He will be missed. > > Dave did not attempt this record without doing his research and > approaching it slowly and cautiously, he has been up in the lower > 30's several times in this glider with no major problems. I can > only guess that there must have been a mechanical problem with the > oxygen system in his sailplane. Its always hard to see family > taken from us early, but he was fortunate to have lived life to the > fullest anyone possibly could have, and to have been able to do > what he loved until the end. > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast > as you could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225550#225550 > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:27 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Looking forward to MV /wheel Pants From: "Nelson, Craig" Thanks Larry I think the pants are pointy enough to part most brush but I'm not sure about boulders and huge rocks. MT thinks they will defiantly look best right side up.would love to get up there some day Uncle craig Do not archive Craig.Nelson@heraeus.com P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. ________________________________ From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Looking forward to MV /wheel Pants Hi to all from uncle craig and milow tim Looking forward to MV put in for vacation yesterday Uncle Craig ~~--~~-~~~-~---~~~-~--~~~-~--~~~--~~--~~--~~ Hey Craig, why don't you and MT come on up with John H to the Rock house and we can give those suckers a real world test. :-) If they were pointer on the front end wouldn't they part the sage brush a bit better? Seriously though they look great, just a little too "purty" for here though. Larry C, Oregon ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:11 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking forward to MV /wheel Pants From: "Dave Rains" I look forward to seeing you this May! I'm bringing something different this year, a helicopter. [Rolling Eyes] Dave Rains -------- Dave Rains N8086T Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225558#225558 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:41 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Dave Bigelow down - My wife and I would like to extend our most sincere condolences to the family and friends of Dave.- He will be missed. - ------------------------- ------------------ Bill and Tiny Sulliv an ------------------------- ------------------ Windsor Locks, ct. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:06 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Dave Bigelow Down ----- Original Message ----- From: JetPilot To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Dave Bigelow Down Its been confirmed, my Uncle Dave was killed while attempting the altitude record on Friday. Its very sad when we lose one of ours. My condolences to the family for their loss. Larry Cottrell, Oregon ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:20 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing From: "lucien" John Hauck wrote: > > Lucien: > > Push the stick forward on touch down when above flying speed. It will pin > it to the ground. > > Trying to three point and stall in gusty conditions in a Kolb will usually > result in the Kolb hovering when we want it on the ground, especially with > full flaps. > > It can be a challenge landing a Kolb in windy, gusty conditions. Sometimes > I am more passenger than pilot in severe situations of wind and turbulence. > > john h > mkIII That was what I did virtually all of the time. I read about this technique in the paperwork that came with the FSII from the original builder actually. When I first tried it it was a revelation. It worked perfectly and always planted the plane on the ground. I only rarely tried to 3-point mine as it was only truly doable in totally calm conditions. I believe it was either Travis over at Kolb or a friend of mine who was also a kolb pilot that told me the Kolb is generally meant to be wheel landed. So most of the time I did wheel landings and always did if it was windy or shifty..... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225567#225567 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:11 PM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolbers on Facebook? The person publishing the photos in their Facebook album can choose to make them public, so that anyone who is interested doesn't have to join to see them. I do it all the time for my family. -- Robert On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* icrashrc > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:25 AM > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolbers on Facebook? > > > You need to join to see. Bummer... > > -------- > Scott > > Agreed, it is a pain in the butt, but since I had another friend bugging me > to do it, I bit the bullet and did so. > > Larry C, Oregon > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:37 PM PST US From: possums Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Looking forward to MV /wheel Pants At 06:57 PM 1/18/2009, you wrote: >Thanks Larry >I think the pants are pointy enough to part most brush but I'm not >sure about boulders and huge rocks. > >Uncle craig These are the ones you want to run over boulders & huge rocks & pointy things. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:22 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Crab vs sideslip crosswing landing At 02:21 PM 1/18/2009, you wrote: > >But you also want the plane flying as little as possible once the >wheels are on the ground.... >> >>LS > > >Lucien: > >Push the stick forward on touch down when above flying speed. It >will pin it to the ground. > >Trying to three point and stall in gusty conditions in a Kolb will >usually result in the Kolb hovering when we want it on the ground, >especially with full flaps. > >It can be a challenge landing a Kolb in windy, gusty conditions I do exactly the same thing but I also lock my brakes "coming in" with a tail wind or over stall speed. You will not nose over with that kind of air speed over you tail, especially over grass, it will shorten your landing and will prevent you from bouncing or floating when you don't have the runway length to spare. It took me 5 or 6 years to figure this out. We've got a short field, so it doesn't apply to most of you guys. Unless ........ I'm landing on this video with a 5 - 10 mph tailwind @35mph air speed - only one way in and draggin brakes all the way on the grass. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=263159682459782825&hl=en ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.