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1. 04:41 AM - trailer (Wayne Boyter)
2. 05:48 AM - Re: trailer (Ed Chmielewski)
3. 06:13 AM - Re: trailer (robert bean)
4. 06:33 AM - Re: trailer (Wayne Boyter)
5. 06:33 AM - Re: trailer (Wayne Boyter)
6. 06:34 AM - Re: Broken tail FireStar 2 (zeprep251@aol.com)
7. 06:37 AM - Re: Broken tail FireStar 2 (frank.goodnight)
8. 07:05 AM - Re: trailer (Mike Welch)
9. 07:54 AM - Re: trailer (russ kinne)
10. 09:17 AM - trailer (Wayne Boyter)
11. 09:20 AM - legs (robert bean)
12. 09:37 AM - Re: legs (Mike Welch)
13. 06:49 PM - Re: Broken tail FireStar 2 (chris davis)
14. 08:06 PM - Re: legs (jerb)
15. 08:34 PM - Re: Video In High Definition: Flying My Kolb MK III Xtra (jerb)
16. 09:01 PM - face book trip to the Alvord (Larry Cottrell)
17. 09:34 PM - Re: face book trip to the Alvord (TheWanderingWench)
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Good Morning
I have a trailer that I use to haul my kolb mark 3 on for sale. It
worked very well, it has the tail support and wing cradles, with wench,
$750.00
Wayne Boyter
Roseburg, OR 97470
541-679-3831
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How much for just the wench...
...and how old is she?
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
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----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Boyter
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: trailer
Good Morning
I have a trailer that I use to haul my kolb mark 3 on for sale.
It worked very well, it has the tail support and wing cradles, with
wench, $750.00
Wayne Boyter
Roseburg, OR 97470
541-679-3831
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How old is the wench, can she help load the trailer?
BB
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On 3, Feb 2009, at 7:40 AM, Wayne Boyter wrote:
> Good Morning
>
> I have a trailer that I use to haul my kolb mark 3 on for
> sale. It worked very well, it has the tail support and wing
> cradles, with wench, $750.00
>
> Wayne Boyter
> Roseburg, OR 97470
> 541-679-3831
>
>
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The wench is a old hand powered boat wench
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: robert bean
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trailer
How old is the wench, can she help load the trailer?
BB
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On 3, Feb 2009, at 7:40 AM, Wayne Boyter wrote:
Good Morning
I have a trailer that I use to haul my kolb mark 3 on for sale.
It worked very well, it has the tail support and wing cradles, with
wench, $750.00
Wayne Boyter
Roseburg, OR 97470
541-679-3831
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It is just a old boat hand wench.
Wayne
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From: Ed Chmielewski
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trailer
How much for just the wench...
...and how old is she?
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
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----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Boyter
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: trailer
Good Morning
I have a trailer that I use to haul my kolb mark 3 on for sale.
It worked very well, it has the tail support and wing cradles, with
wench, $750.00
Wayne Boyter
Roseburg, OR 97470
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Subject: | Re: Broken tail FireStar 2 |
Frank,
???? Two reasons really.I have a track in the trailer that has a groove in it to
guide the plane back into the trailer,and the small cross tube just above the
wheel, has two small loops welded to it for my tow bar.The swivel tail wheel
is beefy and heavy and I'm already heavy in the tail.So I cut the pivot bolt
off just below the flange and had the original cross tube and tail wheel? assy.
welded with 2 small gussets to the bottom of that? bolt.Saved some weight and
allowed me to use the old tail wheel rig.The tough part was shortening the
bar where the chains and s hooks attach and drilling two new holes in it to keep
the steering geometry the same That bar is extremely hard.Almost as hard as
staring at that $ 307.00 assy.in the vise when you have a hacksaw in your hand.
? G Aman
?????
-----Original Message-----
From: frank.goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
Sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 7:38 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Broken tail FireStar 2
Yes I have locked one brake , added about 1/2 power to turn around in a tight place
. When I talked to Travis I explained , He said it was not a very good thing
to do , however most Kolb drivers
do it at one time or another. I won"t do it again. I also ordered a full swivel
tail wheel. Why did you replace the wheel that came with full swivel unit with
the original one?
??Thanks for your input.
Frank Goodnight
HKS FireStar 2?
??I guess the point of my post was ?so other FireStar owners will be aware that
the tail assy. CAN break. Incidentally the people at Kolb told me that they had
never heard of those parts breaking.
On Feb 2, 2009, at 9:00 AM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:
Frank,
?I also broke those parts,but I was using the brakes.to swing the plane around
when parking and put a lot of twisting load on things.The first thing to fail
was the aluminum tube that goes from the bottom of the tail post up to the tail
boom,right where it leaves the steel.Replaced it with a thicker tube,then broke
the bottom stub tube at the ring you mentioned shortly after,but I was really
watching things closely every time I folded by then.Drilled the tail assy
off and had it welded, with some gussets,ordered a full swivel tail wheel assy.
from Travis and modified it to use the stock tail wheel.Other than the pain
from hack sawing the new tail wheel? assy. in two,it has stayed intact.I thought
I was the cause of the failure by the way I drug the wheel sideways when turning.You
were not doing that?
????????????????????????? G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: frank.goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 5:15 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Broken tail FireStar 2
?
At 60 hrs and no rough handling the short cromemolly tube that is welded to the
ring that is attached to the tail boom broke. there are 2 stubs , one on top
of the ring and one on the bottom.?
The one on the bottom broke. Also the very bottom aluminum tube broke. My vertical
stabalizer is very nearly ready to leave the A/C. I fold my plane every time
I fly , so I was lucky enough to?
have my face a foot from the break when I went to attach my tail wires. The tail
had moved enough to tear the fabric , but it would have been hard to catch
on a normal preflight if had been left unfolded.?
?
? After talking to Travis and Dennis at Kolb we found out that the factory had
left out 3 gussets when they welded up the tailpost <one on the top stub and
2 on the bottom> They have sent me the gussets?
and enough tubeing to make a repair.?
?
? Also I talked to Brian Milborne and he said that someone had just called him
about a wrinkle in the fabric in the area we are talking about . That plane will
be coming to Brian for a condition inspection?
soon, So maby Brian will have more to say after he looks at it.?
?
Frank Goodnight?
HKS FireStar 2?
?
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Subject: | Re: Broken tail FireStar 2 |
I"m writeing this post to thank the people that responded to my
problem. After being told by Kolb that they had never heard of this
happening to any of their airplanes, and being new to Kolb , and
flying in
general I was in a rather deep funk. I knew I could do a repair ,BUT
if it broke once it might break again and I might not catch it in
time. Finding that it"s rather common ,and that we have a simple
permanent
fix was a big relief. I will be sending Matt some money to help keep
the website going . It"s already been worth it. THANKS again.
Frank Goodnight
HKS FireStar 2
On Feb 2, 2009, at 7:15 AM, frank.goodnight wrote:
> >
>
> At 60 hrs and no rough handling the short cromemolly tube that is
> welded to the ring that is attached to the tail boom broke. there
> are 2 stubs , one on top of the ring and one on the bottom.
> The one on the bottom broke. Also the very bottom aluminum tube
> broke. My vertical stabalizer is very nearly ready to leave the A/C.
> I fold my plane every time I fly , so I was lucky enough to
> have my face a foot from the break when I went to attach my tail
> wires. The tail had moved enough to tear the fabric , but it would
> have been hard to catch on a normal preflight if had been left
> unfolded.
>
> After talking to Travis and Dennis at Kolb we found out that the
> factory had left out 3 gussets when they welded up the tailpost <one
> on the top stub and 2 on the bottom> They have sent me the gussets
> and enough tubeing to make a repair.
>
> Also I talked to Brian Milborne and he said that someone had just
> called him about a wrinkle in the fabric in the area we are talking
> about . That plane will be coming to Brian for a condition inspection
> soon, So maby Brian will have more to say after he looks at it.
>
> Frank Goodnight
> HKS FireStar 2
>
>
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Wayne,
You missed the point about their question of your "wench"! These guys were giving
you a hard time because of your spelling. Winch is w i n c h. Not wench.
A "wench" is a young peasant girl. A "winch" is a mechanical geared spool
for lifing or pulling heavy objects.
Mike Welch
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> From: wboyter@q.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trailer
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 06:33:00 -0800
>
>
> It is just a old boat hand wench.
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From:
> Ed
> Chmielewski
>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:47
> AM
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trailer
>
>
> How much for just the wench...
>
>
> ...and how old is she?
>
>
> Ed in JXN
>
> MkII/503
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From:
> Wayne Boyter
>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:40
> AM
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: trailer
>
>
> Good Morning
>
>
> I have a trailer that
> I use to haul my kolb mark 3 on for sale. It worked very well, it has the
> tail support and wing cradles, with wench, $750.00
>
>
> Wayne Boyter
>
> Roseburg, OR 97470
>
> 541-679-3831
>
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Wayne
Your trailer is for sale for $750 -- WITH WENCH???
Such a deal!
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On Feb 3, 2009, at 7:40 AM, Wayne Boyter wrote:
> Good Morning
>
> I have a trailer that I use to haul my kolb mark 3 on for
> sale. It worked very well, it has the tail support and wing
> cradles, with wench, $750.00
>
> Wayne Boyter
> Roseburg, OR 97470
> 541-679-3831
>
>
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"Sorry" the young wench has been sold.
But I still have the trailer.
Wayne
Sorry for the misspelling.
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I currently have aluminum gear legs on my MkIII (and a spare set on
the shelf)
Now I am considering changing out for the steel ones, not for any
reason other than
the increased stance on the ground. -not because it "looks cool" but
because I am
going to experiment with decreased wing incidence and it would be
nice to have enough
to get off the ground.
Anyone with a spare set lying around? I would be interested.
Otherwise I will go to TNK
BTW, what is the actual height gain over the original?
BB
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Bob,
Although I built my own steel gear legs, I did build them from the measurements
of someone who does have genuine Kolb steel legs. Plus, I called TNK and had Donnie
measure the stance height of the cage, directly below the socket.
The gain in height will be very close to 5 inches. 5" may not sound like much,
but it
is a bunch!!
Mike Welch
MkIII
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> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> From: slyck@frontiernet.net
> Subject: Kolb-List: legs
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:18:24 -0500
>
>
> I currently have aluminum gear legs on my MkIII (and a spare set on
> the shelf)
> Now I am considering changing out for the steel ones, not for any
> reason other than
> the increased stance on the ground. -not because it "looks cool" but
> because I am
> going to experiment with decreased wing incidence and it would be
> nice to have enough
> to get off the ground.
> Anyone with a spare set lying around? I would be interested.
> Otherwise I will go to TNK
>
> BTW, what is the actual height gain over the original?
> BB
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Broken tail FireStar 2 |
John , Isnt it amazing how "wisdom" sneeks up on you-,and how you think
-you-dont have any!=0AChris=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0A
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 6:14:42 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Broken
elmore.rr.com>=0A=0A=0A> I like that... the same area has always concerned
me on my US (especially=0A> with the 1/16" tail brace wires), though I've h
ad no problems so far.- Was that an existing bolt in the tube or did you
drill out one of the rivets?=0A=0A> It doesn't look like you have an "H" se
ction inside the tube like the US, though, is this correct?=0A> =0A> I'm al
so tempted to redo the elevator connection like that, instead of the US arr
angement where I have to install the pin and ring every time I unfold the t
ail.=0A> =0A> -Dana=0A=0A=0ADana:=0A=0AThe photo of the aluminum strap is G
ary Haley's mkIII.- I'm sure he drilled out a rivet in the ring and a new
hole in the lower vertical stabilizer tube.=0A=0ADan Horton came up with t
he idea for the external braces on my tail post, after several attempts at
strengthening it with gussets.- He ovalized some 3/8 or 1/2" 4130 tubes,
we didn't have and streamlined ones, then welded to the tail post ring and
the bottom tube.=0A=0AMKIII does not use tubes, rather a ring for tail post
attachment.=0A=0AMost folks think the wire bracing on the tail section is
for bracing.- Not true.- Their function in life is to keep the vertical
and horizontal stabilizers positioned.- The only lateral bracing on the
tail post is where the top and bottom stub tubes are welded to the top and
bottom of the tail post ring.- On the ground, especially without a full s
wivel tail wheel, there are tremendous lateral loads placed on the tail pos
t in the area of the ring.- Those two little external braces do a good jo
b of beefing up lateral strength in the tail post.- I installed mine in 2
004, after I discovered the tail post had broken in two at the bottom of th
e ring.- This happened within days of my return from Alaska.- I was ver
y fortunate.=0A=0AIf I was flying an Ultrastar, I think I would got to 3/32
" tail wires.- I flew mine with 1/16" wire, but that was 25 years ago.-
I lot of experience has flowed under the bridge since then.- I look at a
lot of "stuff" quite differently now than I did back then.=0A=0Ajohn h=0Am
=================0A=0A=0A
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Robert - first I am not challenging you on what your proposing to do,
that is reduce your wings incidence, just trying to understand why
and what your trying to accomplish.
I know you have been around a while so for others by changing the
wing incidence on an aircraft like a Kolb will change it's takeoff
performance, make it better or make worst. It can also impact it's
stall attitude thus the desired stance during landing operation which
thus impacts the gear configuration and vise-versa. It will also
impact the planes cruise attitude which can impact it's cruise speed,
clean and straight at cruise power setting versus a less than optimum
flight attitude at cruise resulting in greater induced drag thus lower speed.
jerb
At 11
:18 AM 2/3/2009, you wrote:
>
>I currently have aluminum gear legs on my MkIII (and a spare set on
>the shelf)
>Now I am considering changing out for the steel ones, not for any
>reason other than
>the increased stance on the ground. -not because it "looks cool" but
>because I am
>going to experiment with decreased wing incidence and it would be
>nice to have enough
>to get off the ground.
>Anyone with a spare set lying around? I would be interested.
>Otherwise I will go to TNK
>
>BTW, what is the actual height gain over the original?
>BB
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Video In High Definition: Flying My Kolb MK III Xtra |
Hey Folks,
Not to take away from Mike and his wife's nice flight video I noticed
on the You-Tube video on the right hand side below the description of
the video under Category, Entertainment, Tags there are number of
less than desirable tags related to this Category. Take a look,
looks like they may have been appended on to the original Tag
list. Looks bad. Should one of us contact You-Tube regarding this.
jerb
At 03:39 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote:
>
>Here is a High Definition video of my wife and I flying my Kolb MK
>III Xtra around South Florida. As always with You Tube, the stock
>quality is HORRIBLE, but if you click on " Watch in HD " which is in
>blue at the bottom right of the video, and then click on " Watch in
>Full Screen " the quality will be pretty incredible. Enjoy...
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNNdSS7jcgY
>
>Mike
>
>--------
>"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as
>you could have !!!
>
>Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227744#227744
>
>
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Subject: | face book trip to the Alvord |
I am trying to fly as much as I can to get the new engine broken in
before summer, so a trip to the Alvord was in order.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid 09727&l=181a3&id=1002056194
This should be a link that will allow you to see the photo's that I took
with out having to join.
The weather was pretty nice for this time of the year, 42 Degrees, clear
but hazy skies. Little or no wind. I flew 91 miles in one hour and 24
minutes, burning 3 GPH.
Larry C, Oregon
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Subject: | Re: face book trip to the Alvord |
Larry -
Your photos are great! Thanks for sharing them. I've never seen Steens Mountain
with so much snow - since I'm always there in the fall, there's usually only
snow at the highest peaks. Great stuff.
Arty Trost
Sandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
--- On Tue, 2/3/09, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com> wrote:
> From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: face book trip to the Alvord
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 9:00 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am trying to fly as much as I can
> to get the new engine
> broken in before summer, so a trip to the Alvord was in
> order.
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid 09727&l=181a3&id=1002056194
>
> This should be a link that
> will allow you to see the
> photo's that I took with out having to join.
>
>
> The weather was pretty nice
> for this time of the
> year, 42 Degrees, clear but hazy skies. Little or no wind.
> I flew 91 miles in
> one hour and 24 minutes, burning 3 GPH.
>
> Larry C,
> Oregon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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