---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/03/09: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:41 AM - trailer (Wayne Boyter) 2. 05:48 AM - Re: trailer (Ed Chmielewski) 3. 06:13 AM - Re: trailer (robert bean) 4. 06:33 AM - Re: trailer (Wayne Boyter) 5. 06:33 AM - Re: trailer (Wayne Boyter) 6. 06:34 AM - Re: Broken tail FireStar 2 (zeprep251@aol.com) 7. 06:37 AM - Re: Broken tail FireStar 2 (frank.goodnight) 8. 07:05 AM - Re: trailer (Mike Welch) 9. 07:54 AM - Re: trailer (russ kinne) 10. 09:17 AM - trailer (Wayne Boyter) 11. 09:20 AM - legs (robert bean) 12. 09:37 AM - Re: legs (Mike Welch) 13. 06:49 PM - Re: Broken tail FireStar 2 (chris davis) 14. 08:06 PM - Re: legs (jerb) 15. 08:34 PM - Re: Video In High Definition: Flying My Kolb MK III Xtra (jerb) 16. 09:01 PM - face book trip to the Alvord (Larry Cottrell) 17. 09:34 PM - Re: face book trip to the Alvord (TheWanderingWench) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:23 AM PST US From: "Wayne Boyter" Subject: Kolb-List: trailer Good Morning I have a trailer that I use to haul my kolb mark 3 on for sale. It worked very well, it has the tail support and wing cradles, with wench, $750.00 Wayne Boyter Roseburg, OR 97470 541-679-3831 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:51 AM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trailer How much for just the wench... ...and how old is she? Ed in JXN MkII/503 Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Boyter To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:40 AM Subject: Kolb-List: trailer Good Morning I have a trailer that I use to haul my kolb mark 3 on for sale. It worked very well, it has the tail support and wing cradles, with wench, $750.00 Wayne Boyter Roseburg, OR 97470 541-679-3831 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:54 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trailer How old is the wench, can she help load the trailer? BB do not archive On 3, Feb 2009, at 7:40 AM, Wayne Boyter wrote: > Good Morning > > I have a trailer that I use to haul my kolb mark 3 on for > sale. It worked very well, it has the tail support and wing > cradles, with wench, $750.00 > > Wayne Boyter > Roseburg, OR 97470 > 541-679-3831 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:55 AM PST US From: "Wayne Boyter" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trailer The wench is a old hand powered boat wench Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: robert bean To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:12 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trailer How old is the wench, can she help load the trailer? BB do not archive On 3, Feb 2009, at 7:40 AM, Wayne Boyter wrote: Good Morning I have a trailer that I use to haul my kolb mark 3 on for sale. It worked very well, it has the tail support and wing cradles, with wench, $750.00 Wayne Boyter Roseburg, OR 97470 541-679-3831 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:55 AM PST US From: "Wayne Boyter" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trailer It is just a old boat hand wench. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Chmielewski To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:47 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trailer How much for just the wench... ...and how old is she? Ed in JXN MkII/503 Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Boyter To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:40 AM Subject: Kolb-List: trailer Good Morning I have a trailer that I use to haul my kolb mark 3 on for sale. It worked very well, it has the tail support and wing cradles, with wench, $750.00 Wayne Boyter Roseburg, OR 97470 541-679-3831 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Broken tail FireStar 2 From: zeprep251@aol.com Frank, ???? Two reasons really.I have a track in the trailer that has a groove in it to guide the plane back into the trailer,and the small cross tube just above the wheel, has two small loops welded to it for my tow bar.The swivel tail wheel is beefy and heavy and I'm already heavy in the tail.So I cut the pivot bolt off just below the flange and had the original cross tube and tail wheel? assy. welded with 2 small gussets to the bottom of that? bolt.Saved some weight and allowed me to use the old tail wheel rig.The tough part was shortening the bar where the chains and s hooks attach and drilling two new holes in it to keep the steering geometry the same That bar is extremely hard.Almost as hard as staring at that $ 307.00 assy.in the vise when you have a hacksaw in your hand. ? G Aman ????? -----Original Message----- From: frank.goodnight Sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 7:38 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Broken tail FireStar 2 Yes I have locked one brake , added about 1/2 power to turn around in a tight place . When I talked to Travis I explained , He said it was not a very good thing to do , however most Kolb drivers do it at one time or another. I won"t do it again. I also ordered a full swivel tail wheel. Why did you replace the wheel that came with full swivel unit with the original one? ??Thanks for your input. Frank Goodnight HKS FireStar 2? ??I guess the point of my post was ?so other FireStar owners will be aware that the tail assy. CAN break. Incidentally the people at Kolb told me that they had never heard of those parts breaking. On Feb 2, 2009, at 9:00 AM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote: Frank, ?I also broke those parts,but I was using the brakes.to swing the plane around when parking and put a lot of twisting load on things.The first thing to fail was the aluminum tube that goes from the bottom of the tail post up to the tail boom,right where it leaves the steel.Replaced it with a thicker tube,then broke the bottom stub tube at the ring you mentioned shortly after,but I was really watching things closely every time I folded by then.Drilled the tail assy off and had it welded, with some gussets,ordered a full swivel tail wheel assy. from Travis and modified it to use the stock tail wheel.Other than the pain from hack sawing the new tail wheel? assy. in two,it has stayed intact.I thought I was the cause of the failure by the way I drug the wheel sideways when turning.You were not doing that? ????????????????????????? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: frank.goodnight To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 5:15 am Subject: Kolb-List: Broken tail FireStar 2 ? At 60 hrs and no rough handling the short cromemolly tube that is welded to the ring that is attached to the tail boom broke. there are 2 stubs , one on top of the ring and one on the bottom.? The one on the bottom broke. Also the very bottom aluminum tube broke. My vertical stabalizer is very nearly ready to leave the A/C. I fold my plane every time I fly , so I was lucky enough to? have my face a foot from the break when I went to attach my tail wires. The tail had moved enough to tear the fabric , but it would have been hard to catch on a normal preflight if had been left unfolded.? ? ? After talking to Travis and Dennis at Kolb we found out that the factory had left out 3 gussets when they welded up the tailpost They have sent me the gussets? and enough tubeing to make a repair.? ? ? Also I talked to Brian Milborne and he said that someone had just called him about a wrinkle in the fabric in the area we are talking about . That plane will be coming to Brian for a condition inspection? soon, So maby Brian will have more to say after he looks at it.? ? Frank Goodnight? HKS FireStar 2? ? ? ? href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:31 AM PST US From: "frank.goodnight" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Broken tail FireStar 2 I"m writeing this post to thank the people that responded to my problem. After being told by Kolb that they had never heard of this happening to any of their airplanes, and being new to Kolb , and flying in general I was in a rather deep funk. I knew I could do a repair ,BUT if it broke once it might break again and I might not catch it in time. Finding that it"s rather common ,and that we have a simple permanent fix was a big relief. I will be sending Matt some money to help keep the website going . It"s already been worth it. THANKS again. Frank Goodnight HKS FireStar 2 On Feb 2, 2009, at 7:15 AM, frank.goodnight wrote: > > > > At 60 hrs and no rough handling the short cromemolly tube that is > welded to the ring that is attached to the tail boom broke. there > are 2 stubs , one on top of the ring and one on the bottom. > The one on the bottom broke. Also the very bottom aluminum tube > broke. My vertical stabalizer is very nearly ready to leave the A/C. > I fold my plane every time I fly , so I was lucky enough to > have my face a foot from the break when I went to attach my tail > wires. The tail had moved enough to tear the fabric , but it would > have been hard to catch on a normal preflight if had been left > unfolded. > > After talking to Travis and Dennis at Kolb we found out that the > factory had left out 3 gussets when they welded up the tailpost on the top stub and 2 on the bottom> They have sent me the gussets > and enough tubeing to make a repair. > > Also I talked to Brian Milborne and he said that someone had just > called him about a wrinkle in the fabric in the area we are talking > about . That plane will be coming to Brian for a condition inspection > soon, So maby Brian will have more to say after he looks at it. > > Frank Goodnight > HKS FireStar 2 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:55 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: trailer Wayne, You missed the point about their question of your "wench"! These guys were giving you a hard time because of your spelling. Winch is w i n c h. Not wench. A "wench" is a young peasant girl. A "winch" is a mechanical geared spool for lifing or pulling heavy objects. Mike Welch Do Not archive ________________________________ > From: wboyter@q.com > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trailer > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 06:33:00 -0800 > > > It is just a old boat hand wench. > > > Wayne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > Ed > Chmielewski > > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:47 > AM > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trailer > > > How much for just the wench... > > > ...and how old is she? > > > Ed in JXN > > MkII/503 > > Do not archive. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > Wayne Boyter > > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:40 > AM > > Subject: Kolb-List: trailer > > > Good Morning > > > I have a trailer that > I use to haul my kolb mark 3 on for sale. It worked very well, it has the > tail support and wing cradles, with wench, $750.00 > > > Wayne Boyter > > Roseburg, OR 97470 > > 541-679-3831 > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmailmore than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:16 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trailer Wayne Your trailer is for sale for $750 -- WITH WENCH??? Such a deal! do not archive On Feb 3, 2009, at 7:40 AM, Wayne Boyter wrote: > Good Morning > > I have a trailer that I use to haul my kolb mark 3 on for > sale. It worked very well, it has the tail support and wing > cradles, with wench, $750.00 > > Wayne Boyter > Roseburg, OR 97470 > 541-679-3831 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:27 AM PST US From: "Wayne Boyter" Subject: Kolb-List: trailer "Sorry" the young wench has been sold. But I still have the trailer. Wayne Sorry for the misspelling. do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:56 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: legs I currently have aluminum gear legs on my MkIII (and a spare set on the shelf) Now I am considering changing out for the steel ones, not for any reason other than the increased stance on the ground. -not because it "looks cool" but because I am going to experiment with decreased wing incidence and it would be nice to have enough to get off the ground. Anyone with a spare set lying around? I would be interested. Otherwise I will go to TNK BTW, what is the actual height gain over the original? BB ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:58 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: legs Bob, Although I built my own steel gear legs, I did build them from the measurements of someone who does have genuine Kolb steel legs. Plus, I called TNK and had Donnie measure the stance height of the cage, directly below the socket. The gain in height will be very close to 5 inches. 5" may not sound like much, but it is a bunch!! Mike Welch MkIII ---------------------------------------- > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > From: slyck@frontiernet.net > Subject: Kolb-List: legs > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:18:24 -0500 > > > I currently have aluminum gear legs on my MkIII (and a spare set on > the shelf) > Now I am considering changing out for the steel ones, not for any > reason other than > the increased stance on the ground. -not because it "looks cool" but > because I am > going to experiment with decreased wing incidence and it would be > nice to have enough > to get off the ground. > Anyone with a spare set lying around? I would be interested. > Otherwise I will go to TNK > > BTW, what is the actual height gain over the original? > BB > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail:more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:02 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Broken tail FireStar 2 John , Isnt it amazing how "wisdom" sneeks up on you-,and how you think -you-dont have any!=0AChris=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: John Hauck =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0A Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 6:14:42 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Broken elmore.rr.com>=0A=0A=0A> I like that... the same area has always concerned me on my US (especially=0A> with the 1/16" tail brace wires), though I've h ad no problems so far.- Was that an existing bolt in the tube or did you drill out one of the rivets?=0A=0A> It doesn't look like you have an "H" se ction inside the tube like the US, though, is this correct?=0A> =0A> I'm al so tempted to redo the elevator connection like that, instead of the US arr angement where I have to install the pin and ring every time I unfold the t ail.=0A> =0A> -Dana=0A=0A=0ADana:=0A=0AThe photo of the aluminum strap is G ary Haley's mkIII.- I'm sure he drilled out a rivet in the ring and a new hole in the lower vertical stabilizer tube.=0A=0ADan Horton came up with t he idea for the external braces on my tail post, after several attempts at strengthening it with gussets.- He ovalized some 3/8 or 1/2" 4130 tubes, we didn't have and streamlined ones, then welded to the tail post ring and the bottom tube.=0A=0AMKIII does not use tubes, rather a ring for tail post attachment.=0A=0AMost folks think the wire bracing on the tail section is for bracing.- Not true.- Their function in life is to keep the vertical and horizontal stabilizers positioned.- The only lateral bracing on the tail post is where the top and bottom stub tubes are welded to the top and bottom of the tail post ring.- On the ground, especially without a full s wivel tail wheel, there are tremendous lateral loads placed on the tail pos t in the area of the ring.- Those two little external braces do a good jo b of beefing up lateral strength in the tail post.- I installed mine in 2 004, after I discovered the tail post had broken in two at the bottom of th e ring.- This happened within days of my return from Alaska.- I was ver y fortunate.=0A=0AIf I was flying an Ultrastar, I think I would got to 3/32 " tail wires.- I flew mine with 1/16" wire, but that was 25 years ago.- I lot of experience has flowed under the bridge since then.- I look at a lot of "stuff" quite differently now than I did back then.=0A=0Ajohn h=0Am =================0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:32 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: legs Robert - first I am not challenging you on what your proposing to do, that is reduce your wings incidence, just trying to understand why and what your trying to accomplish. I know you have been around a while so for others by changing the wing incidence on an aircraft like a Kolb will change it's takeoff performance, make it better or make worst. It can also impact it's stall attitude thus the desired stance during landing operation which thus impacts the gear configuration and vise-versa. It will also impact the planes cruise attitude which can impact it's cruise speed, clean and straight at cruise power setting versus a less than optimum flight attitude at cruise resulting in greater induced drag thus lower speed. jerb At 11 :18 AM 2/3/2009, you wrote: > >I currently have aluminum gear legs on my MkIII (and a spare set on >the shelf) >Now I am considering changing out for the steel ones, not for any >reason other than >the increased stance on the ground. -not because it "looks cool" but >because I am >going to experiment with decreased wing incidence and it would be >nice to have enough >to get off the ground. >Anyone with a spare set lying around? I would be interested. >Otherwise I will go to TNK > >BTW, what is the actual height gain over the original? >BB > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:41 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video In High Definition: Flying My Kolb MK III Xtra Hey Folks, Not to take away from Mike and his wife's nice flight video I noticed on the You-Tube video on the right hand side below the description of the video under Category, Entertainment, Tags there are number of less than desirable tags related to this Category. Take a look, looks like they may have been appended on to the original Tag list. Looks bad. Should one of us contact You-Tube regarding this. jerb At 03:39 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote: > >Here is a High Definition video of my wife and I flying my Kolb MK >III Xtra around South Florida. As always with You Tube, the stock >quality is HORRIBLE, but if you click on " Watch in HD " which is in >blue at the bottom right of the video, and then click on " Watch in >Full Screen " the quality will be pretty incredible. Enjoy... > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNNdSS7jcgY > >Mike > >-------- >"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as >you could have !!! > >Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227744#227744 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:24 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: face book trip to the Alvord I am trying to fly as much as I can to get the new engine broken in before summer, so a trip to the Alvord was in order. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid 09727&l=181a3&id=1002056194 This should be a link that will allow you to see the photo's that I took with out having to join. The weather was pretty nice for this time of the year, 42 Degrees, clear but hazy skies. Little or no wind. I flew 91 miles in one hour and 24 minutes, burning 3 GPH. Larry C, Oregon ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:56 PM PST US From: TheWanderingWench Subject: Re: Kolb-List: face book trip to the Alvord Larry - Your photos are great! Thanks for sharing them. I've never seen Steens Mountain with so much snow - since I'm always there in the fall, there's usually only snow at the highest peaks. Great stuff. Arty Trost Sandy, Oregon www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Larry Cottrell wrote: > From: Larry Cottrell > Subject: Kolb-List: face book trip to the Alvord > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 9:00 PM > > > > > > > > I am trying to fly as much as I can > to get the new engine > broken in before summer, so a trip to the Alvord was in > order. > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid 09727&l=181a3&id=1002056194 > > This should be a link that > will allow you to see the > photo's that I took with out having to join. > > > The weather was pretty nice > for this time of the > year, 42 Degrees, clear but hazy skies. Little or no wind. > I flew 91 miles in > one hour and 24 minutes, burning 3 GPH. > > Larry C, > Oregon > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.