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1. 11:22 AM - Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos (Mike Welch)
2. 11:39 AM - Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos (herb)
3. 12:33 PM - Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos (John Hauck)
4. 12:34 PM - Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos (John Hauck)
5. 12:36 PM - Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos (russ kinne)
6. 02:35 PM - Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos (zeprep251@aol.com)
7. 02:51 PM - Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos (russ kinne)
8. 03:35 PM - Unbelievable Military Photos (Mike Welch)
9. 03:47 PM - Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos (John Hauck)
10. 04:11 PM - Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos (Jim Kmet)
11. 06:26 PM - Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos (Rick Lewis)
12. 07:25 PM - military photos (Mike Welch)
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Subject: | Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos |
Kolb guys,
I have a question regarding the pop rivets on the fabric on the wings.
Is there a proper way to drill the holes? What I mean is, should I drill all the
holes in the ribs FIRST, and then melt the holes through the finished faric,
with a soldering iron? Or, would it be better to do all the fabric, reinforcing
tapes, etc, and then drill through a final layers?
It would seem to me the better way would be to drill all the holes in the ribs
first. The reason I think this is because I can make a nice 90* drilling jig,
to insure the holes are centered on the top of the rib. I'm afraid if I try
to drill the holes after the fabric and tape is on, I run the risk of off-centered
holes...making a lop-sided rivet.
Anybody? Anybody?
Thanks,
Mike Welch
MkIII finally (!!!) putting fabric on flaps. So far, Poly Fiber on ALL tailfeathers,
fuselage, both ailerons, & one flap. One more flap, and then the wings!!
It's about time!!
I just received an email from my step-father, a WW II retired Lt Commander.
He forwarded to me an email of some of the most awesome military photographs
I've ever seen.
(mostly flying photos)
If you want to see them, I absolutely guarantee you'll be amazed, send me an
email, and I'll forward them on to you. They WILL be worth your time, unless
you're a tree hugging hippie!
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Subject: | Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos |
Drill holes first...then burn through fabric
after tautening...then reinforcement tapes..more
burning...rivets,,,poly brush etc... Herb
At 01:21 PM 2/11/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>Kolb guys,
>
>
> I have a question regarding the pop rivets on the fabric on the wings.
>Is there a proper way to drill the holes? What
>I mean is, should I drill all the holes in the
>ribs FIRST, and then melt the holes through the
>finished faric, with a soldering iron? Or,
>would it be better to do all the fabric,
>reinforcing tapes, etc, and then drill through a final layers?
>
> It would seem to me the better way would be
> to drill all the holes in the ribs first. The
> reason I think this is because I can make a
> nice 90* drilling jig, to insure the holes are
> centered on the top of the rib. I'm afraid if
> I try to drill the holes after the fabric and
> tape is on, I run the risk of off-centered holes...making a lop-sided rivet.
>
> Anybody? Anybody?
>
>Thanks,
>Mike Welch
>MkIII finally (!!!) putting fabric on
>flaps. So far, Poly Fiber on ALL tailfeathers,
>fuselage, both ailerons, & one flap. One more
>flap, and then the wings!! It's about time!!
>
> I just received an email from my step-father, a WW II retired Lt Commander.
>
> He forwarded to me an email of some of the
> most awesome military photographs I've ever seen.
>(mostly flying photos)
>
> If you want to see them, I absolutely
> guarantee you'll be amazed, send me an email,
> and I'll forward them on to you. They WILL be
> worth your time, unless you're a tree hugging hippie!
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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Subject: | Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos |
> It would seem to me the better way would be to drill all the holes in
the ribs first. >
> Thanks,
> Mike Welch
That's the way I do it.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos |
> Drill holes first...then burn through fabric
> after tautening...then reinforcement tapes..more burning...rivets,,,poly
> brush etc... Herb
Herb:
I burn once.
Put a tick mark beside each rivet hole to help line up after the reinforcing
tape is on.
If hole location is questionable, can use a pick to help locate.
Saves another operation.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos |
Mike
Those are MY kinda pictures! -- pls send
Thanx
Russ
On Feb 11, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
>
>
> Kolb guys,
>
>
> I have a question regarding the pop rivets on the fabric on the
> wings.
> Is there a proper way to drill the holes? What I mean is, should I
> drill all the holes in the ribs FIRST, and then melt the holes
> through the finished faric, with a soldering iron? Or, would it be
> better to do all the fabric, reinforcing tapes, etc, and then drill
> through a final layers?
>
> It would seem to me the better way would be to drill all the
> holes in the ribs first. The reason I think this is because I can
> make a nice 90* drilling jig, to insure the holes are centered on
> the top of the rib. I'm afraid if I try to drill the holes after
> the fabric and tape is on, I run the risk of off-centered
> holes...making a lop-sided rivet.
>
> Anybody? Anybody?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Welch
> MkIII finally (!!!) putting fabric on flaps. So far, Poly Fiber
> on ALL tailfeathers, fuselage, both ailerons, & one flap. One more
> flap, and then the wings!! It's about time!!
>
> I just received an email from my step-father, a WW II retired Lt
> Commander.
>
> He forwarded to me an email of some of the most awesome military
> photographs I've ever seen.
> (mostly flying photos)
>
> If you want to see them, I absolutely guarantee you'll be amazed,
> send me an email, and I'll forward them on to you. They WILL be
> worth your time, unless you're a tree hugging hippie!
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Windows Live: Keep your life in sync.
> http://windowslive.com/howitworks?
> ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_022009
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos |
You need to be able to get ALL the drillings out of the rib tubes by blowin
g, beating on the the structure lightly to vibrate it or turning it over and
over while doing the above.One little sharp chip will find it's way to a pr
essure point in the fabric and=C2- cut a hole in it.You can find the holes
with a straight pin or do it like John does.The drill can stick in the fabr
ic and wad it up in a knot.Just my 2 cents worth.
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-----Original Message-----
From: russ kinne <russ@rkiphoto.com>
Sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military
photos
=C2-
Mike=C2-
Those are MY kinda pictures! -- pls send=C2-
Thanx=C2-
Russ=C2-
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On Feb 11, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Mike Welch wrote:=C2-
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> Kolb guys,=C2-
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> I have a question regarding the pop rivets on the fabric on the > wings
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> Is there a proper way to drill the holes? What I mean is, should I > dr
ill all the holes in the ribs FIRST, and then melt the holes > through the f
inished faric, with a soldering iron? Or, would it be > better to do all th
e fabric, reinforcing tapes, etc, and then drill > through a final layers?
=C2-
>=C2-
> It would seem to me the better way would be to drill all the > holes in
the ribs first. The reason I think this is because I can > make a nice 90*
drilling jig, to insure the holes are centered on > the top of the rib. I'm
afraid if I try to drill the holes after > the fabric and tape is on, I run
the risk of off-centered > holes...making a lop-sided rivet.=C2-
>=C2-
> Anybody? Anybody?=C2-
>=C2-
> Thanks,=C2-
> Mike Welch=C2-
> MkIII finally (!!!) putting fabric on flaps. So far, Poly Fiber > on ALL
tailfeathers, fuselage, both ailerons, & one flap. One more > flap, and th
en the wings!! It's about time!!=C2-
>=C2-
> I just received an email from my step-father, a WW II retired Lt > Comma
nder.=C2-
>=C2-
> He forwarded to me an email of some of the most awesome military > photo
graphs I've ever seen.=C2-
> (mostly flying photos)=C2-
>=C2-
> If you want to see them, I absolutely guarantee you'll be amazed, > send
me an email, and I'll forward them on to you. They WILL be > worth your ti
me, unless you're a tree hugging hippie!=C2-
>=C2-
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> Windows Liv
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Subject: | Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos |
I assume everybody knows about greasing the drill bit to capture
chips --
On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:31 PM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:
> You need to be able to get ALL the drillings out of the rib tubes
> by blowing, beating on the the structure lightly to vibrate it or
> turning it over and over while doing the above.One little sharp
> chip will find it's way to a pressure point in the fabric and cut
> a hole in it.You can find the holes with a straight pin or do it
> like John does.The drill can stick in the fabric and wad it up in a
> knot.Just my 2 cents worth.
> G.Aman
> FS2 MK-3
>
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Subject: | Unbelievable Military Photos |
Kolb list=2C
I generally try NOT to post non-Kolb items on this list. Although I have
received a few off-list requests to see these military photos=2C I decided
to share them with everyone.
If you take offense=2C sorry. I'll feel really rotten at your scolding.
Trust me on that.
If you've been in the military=2C some of these will=2C no doubt=2C bring
back some fond memories. At the very least=2C
we should be proud of those who are (and have) protecting our freedoms.
Mike Welch
MkIII
PS. I've got TWO boys (in their 30's) in Afghanistan. I especially like t
he saying at the bottom of the list of photos.
"If you can read this...thank a TEACHER. If you can read this in English..
..thank the Military. hoo rah!
Unbelievable photos...click on all 3 (one at a time)
These are great shots. Would have liked to be the photographer.
http://www.tom-phillips.info/images/cool.pics.military.htm
http://www.tom-phillips.info/images/cool.pics.military.2.htm
http://www.tom-phillips.info/images/cool.pics.military.3.htm
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Subject: | Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos |
Russ:
Yes, that works good in other situations.
When working with fabric, the last thing you want around it is grease. Mig
ht have a hard time getting the grease cleaned up prior to fabric applicati
on.
john h
mkIII
I assume everybody knows about greasing the drill bit to capture chips --
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Subject: | Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos |
Mike, drill your holes 1st!!Use a string going across the tops & mark them ,
from root to tip, so they are all in a "Pretty-Pretty" line. Then drill them
all with your 90 degree jig you mentioned. After drilling, blow out all the
rib tubing with a compressor. Then stuff a tiny piece of fabric in each tube
that you drilled, so that when you pull a rivet, if that little ball of the
rivet falls off in the tube, it won`t find its way into the interior of the
wing. If any shavings or rivet tips get into the wing, they will find
somewhere comfortable to rest, & each time you fly, tiny vibrations will
cause them to wear through the fabric from the inside out.
Jim Kmet
MK-3C
Soon to be flying with a 912.
Cookeville, TN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military
photos
>
>
> Kolb guys,
>
>
> I have a question regarding the pop rivets on the fabric on the wings.
> Is there a proper way to drill the holes? What I mean is, should I drill
> all the holes in the ribs FIRST, and then melt the holes through the
> finished faric, with a soldering iron? Or, would it be better to do all
> the fabric, reinforcing tapes, etc, and then drill through a final layers?
>
> It would seem to me the better way would be to drill all the holes in the
> ribs first. The reason I think this is because I can make a nice 90*
> drilling jig, to insure the holes are centered on the top of the rib. I'm
> afraid if I try to drill the holes after the fabric and tape is on, I run
> the risk of off-centered holes...making a lop-sided rivet.
>
> Anybody? Anybody?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Welch
> MkIII finally (!!!) putting fabric on flaps. So far, Poly Fiber on ALL
> tailfeathers, fuselage, both ailerons, & one flap. One more flap, and
> then the wings!! It's about time!!
>
> I just received an email from my step-father, a WW II retired Lt
> Commander.
>
> He forwarded to me an email of some of the most awesome military
> photographs I've ever seen.
> (mostly flying photos)
>
> If you want to see them, I absolutely guarantee you'll be amazed, send me
> an email, and I'll forward them on to you. They WILL be worth your time,
> unless you're a tree hugging hippie!
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Windows Live: Keep your life in sync.
> http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_022009
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Poly Fiber & pop rivet holes, plus some US Military photos |
I am attaching two pictures of how Brian, at Kolb factory, handles the loose pieces
that may remain in the tubes. He probably blows the tubes out first then
he seals all the ends as show in the pictures. Silicone rubber would probably
be good to use here.
Rick Lewis
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Group=2C
My apologies for another un-Kolb post=2C but I have had a few people ask
for the photos to be forwarded to them=2C by returning the Kolb list email
to me.
If you guys would check to very bottom of that email entitled "Unbelievab
le Military Photos" I sent=2C you will see the three links to the photos.
As you were.
Mike Welch
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