---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/15/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: AGM Battery & charger info (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 2. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Kolb history (zeprep251@aol.com) 3. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: Kolb history (robert bean) 4. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: Kolb history (John Hauck) 5. 11:15 AM - Valentines Day Flight (Ralph B) 6. 11:36 AM - Re: Valentines Day Flight (John Hauck) 7. 02:32 PM - Re: Valentines Day Flight (Ralph B) 8. 05:08 PM - Re: Kolb history (N111KX (Kip)) 9. 05:55 PM - Re: Valentines Day Flight (N111KX (Kip)) 10. 10:02 PM - Re: Re: Valentines Day Flight (boyd) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:33 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: AGM Battery & charger info Charlie Great information. The battery maintainer I have on my airplane is the unit you mentioned. http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Battery_Chargers/Schumacher_Chargers/1562.jpg It has a adapter that I attach permanently to my battery with a keyed plug that allows quick easy attachment without having to worry that it is connected backwards. I notice when I attach the charger to the plane it will go into charging mode even after a long flight. When I taxi back to my hanger the planes charging system goes into discharge due to low RPMs. I think I can detect a slightly increased power level after being hooked to the battery maintainer than without. Any way after multiple batteries with and without the battery maintainer the batteries last longer when kept on the maintainer. The biggest longevity improvement is likely from attaching the battery through the 3-4 months in the winter when the plane doesn't fly. For the rest of my vehicles (cars, boat and tractor) that are left in storage for some times 9 months at a time I have had very good luck attaching a float charger. I used to disconnect the batteries but now I just connect the float charger. Yes I fog the engines and change the oil. The float chargers I use are: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=42292 Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie England" Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: AGM Battery & charger info > > battery & charger info: >> >> >> >>> Is a special charger needed for AGM batteries such as the Odyssey? At >>> www.odyessy.com they recommend two types, but >>> I?m wondering why something like a Schumacher >>> http://store.schumachermart.com/se-1010-2.html won?t work just as well. >> >> ALL battery technologies benefit from the use of >> "smart" battery chargers that offer charge, top-off >> and maintenance cycles. The charger you cited >> doesn't cite this feature. >> >> A really nice, low cost Schumacher product sold >> at Wallmart is the 1562 series critters cited in >> >> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Batteries/Multiple_Battery_Myths_A.pdf >> >> and illustrated here: >> >> http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Battery_Chargers/Schumacher_Chargers/1562.jpg >> >> Schumacher makes a range of smart chargers identifiable >> by the word "maintainer" in their descriptions. These >> include the SC600, SC1000, SC1200, etc. >> >> The idea that one should finely tune a plug-in-the-wall >> battery charger to the brand/technology of the battery >> is not supported by the way we charge batteries in our >> vehicles and expect years of service life. >> >> Consider also a variety of small battery charger/maintainers >> like: >> >> http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Battery_Chargers/Battery_Minder/ >> >> http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Battery_Chargers/Battery_Tender_Jr/Battery_Tender-Junior.jpeg >> >> Bob . . . >> >> ----------------------------------------) >> ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) >> ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) >> ( appearance of being right . . . ) >> ( ) >> ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) >> ---------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb history From: zeprep251@aol.com Kip, ? I really missed it this time.I recorded the F1274 as the serial no.on all the paperwork for the registration process.Does Kolb include a serial no. on any of the paperwork I received with the kit? ????????? Thanks G. Aman -----Original Message----- From: N111KX (Kip) Sent: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:58 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb history G.Aman, I was thinking of the aircraft serial number which was FS-705. The stamped cage number is 12XX as I recall. I'll have to note it next time I am at the airport... Kip -------- Kip Firestar II, N111KX Waiex, N111YX Quickie 1, N111QX Atlanta Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230257#230257 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:28 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb history Serial numbers for experimental aircraft are arbitrary. You can use anything you want but it would be best to check FAA records to see if you are using a duplicate. My MkIII is M1060 which was created from an unused gap in a common sequence of pre-existing numbers. The only place you will find it on the plane is the dataplate. BB On 15, Feb 2009, at 11:58 AM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote: > Kip, > I really missed it this time.I recorded the F1274 as the serial > no.on all the paperwork for the registration process.Does Kolb > include a serial no. on any of the paperwork I received with the kit? > Thanks G. Aman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: N111KX (Kip) > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:58 pm > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb history > > > > > G.Aman, I was thinking of the aircraft serial number which was > FS-705. The > > stamped cage number is 12XX as I recall. I'll have to note it next > time I am at > > the airport... > > Kip > > > -------- > > Kip > > Firestar II, N111KX > > Waiex, N111YX > > Quickie 1, N111QX > > Atlanta > > > Read this topic online here: > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230257#230257 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:14 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb history Bob: Mine is M3-011, number 11 off the line. And you are correct. There is no other serial number on my airframe except what I engraved on the data plate. john h mkIII My MkIII is M1060 which was created from an unused gap in a common seque nce of pre-existing numbers. The only place you will find it on the plane is the dataplate. BB ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:02 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Valentines Day Flight From: "Ralph B" Guys and ladies, here are a few pics taking my Valentine for a flight. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 22 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 almost 1 year flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230374#230374 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/out_the_windshield__214.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/snowmobile_races__168.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/over_dam__362.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/laurie_in_back_seat_2__212.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_ready_for_flight__679.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:17 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Valentines Day Flight > Guys and ladies, here are a few pics taking my Valentine for a flight. > > Ralph Ralph: Looks good to me! How are you keeping the 80 horse temps up in the icy part of the country? john h] mkIII - T-Shirt weather at hauck's holler. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:14 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Valentines Day Flight From: "Ralph B" John Hauck > Ralph: > > Looks good to me! > > How are you keeping the 80 horse temps up in the icy part of the country? > > john h] > mkIII - T-Shirt weather at hauck's holler. John and others, I taped off the front of the radiator and half of the oil cooler with 3M non-residue duct tape. It was 9F at 2000' and the oil temp was too low at 157F. Last weekend I flew around the cities and it was 185F when it was 30F OAT. There is also something else I noticed: Before flying (cold engine), I turned the prop and I noticed a few drops of coolant dripping out the bottom of the engine. Once the 912 warms up, it goes away. There is another 912 owner that notices the same thing. This only happens on cold winter days. Does anyone know if this is problem with the water pump? The engine only has a little over 300 hours on it, but it's an early 912. Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 22 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 almost 1 year flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230401#230401 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb history From: "N111KX (Kip)" On my bill of sale, and confirmed by the nice lady on the phone at Kolb aircraft (Mrs. Kolb?) in 1998 the serial # is FS-705 with the cage number being different... Kip -------- Kip Firestar II, N111KX Waiex, N111YX Quickie 1, N111QX Atlanta Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230427#230427 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:12 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Valentines Day Flight From: "N111KX (Kip)" A real trooper of a lady there... :) -------- Kip Firestar II, N111KX Waiex, N111YX Quickie 1, N111QX Atlanta Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230434#230434 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:22 PM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Valentines Day Flight I taped off the front of the radiator and half of the oil cooler with 3M non-residue duct tape. It was 9F at 2000' and the oil temp was too low at 157F. Last weekend I flew around the cities and it was 185F when it was 30F OAT. There is also something else I noticed: Before flying (cold engine), I turned the prop and I noticed a few drops of coolant dripping out the bottom of the engine. Ralph B >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph In the past I have noticed antifreeze leaking out of 2 areas of the 912,, 1: was from the Ells where the coolant lines attached at the bottom of the heads. Two of them came out by hand cold,,, I was told by the mechanic at LEAF that they had never seen that problem. I bought the correct lock tite and re installed the ells with no additional problems. 2: there is a small weep hole on the bottom of the engine under the water pump, and if that is where you are seeing the leak, I have noticed the same situation, and when I asked at LEAF I was told that if the overflow bottle did not go down too rapidly, and the level in the engine stayed up,,, to just keep an eye on it.. if you start loosing a large amount of antifreeze, then you may need a new water pump, or other repairs. Boyd Young Kolb MKIIIC Utah ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.