---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/19/09: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:02 AM - Re: weight question (Denny Rowe) 2. 06:10 AM - Re: weight question (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 3. 07:39 AM - Re: weight question (Richard Girard) 4. 09:39 AM - withdrawal symptoms (zeprep251@aol.com) 5. 10:36 AM - Re: withdrawal symptoms (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 6. 01:44 PM - Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes (cristalclear13) 7. 03:03 PM - Re: withdrawal symptoms (zeprep251@aol.com) 8. 05:42 PM - Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes (JetPilot) 9. 05:45 PM - Re: new photos on facebook (JetPilot) 10. 05:52 PM - Re: Flight/Line FL-760 Radio (JetPilot) 11. 05:59 PM - condition inspection "annual"? (grantr) 12. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: new photos on facebook (Larry Cottrell) 13. 06:06 PM - Re: Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 14. 06:08 PM - Wheel Pants Source - 6.00 x 6 Tires (Brad Z.) 15. 06:19 PM - Re: Flight/Line FL-760 Radio (Rick Lewis) 16. 06:39 PM - Re: condition inspection "annual"? (robert bean) 17. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes (robert bean) 18. 06:46 PM - wheel pants and Icom (Mike Welch) 19. 06:56 PM - Re: condition inspection "annual"? (grantr) 20. 06:58 PM - Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes (cristalclear13) 21. 07:10 PM - Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes (Ralph B) 22. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes (John Hauck) 23. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes (Larry Cottrell) 24. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: condition inspection "annual"? (Richard Girard) 25. 08:13 PM - Re: Wheel Pants Source - 6.00 x 6 Tires (possums) 26. 08:35 PM - Re: Wheel Pants Source - 6.00 x 6 Tires (Mike Welch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:16 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight question > Could someone please give me a ballpark number on what the useful load > should be on a Mark III C with a 582 and standard configuration? > > Thanks! > > Keath T > > > Keath, Depending on the empty weight of the particular bird and if the established gross weight is 1000 pounds, the usefull load with ten gallons of fuel will be around 400 to 500 pounds. Denny Rowe, Mk-3, 690L-70, empty weight 470lbs, useful load approx 470lbs. PS, some people set their gross weight as high as 1200lbs when they register their Mk-3s, adding a lot to their legal useful load. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:36 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight question Keath Useful load really depends on how it is built. Most Kolbs are built heavy reducing their useful load. My MKIIIC with a VW weighs 598lbs. empty. The 582 will weigh less but there really isn't a standard MKIII empty weight. They are after all experimental so the weight varies all over the place. Also Kolb recommends a maximum gross weight of 1000 lbs. It is NOT good to recommend a higher gross weight. Some people have made modifications (me included) that they think increases the strength and have registered their planes heaver but? Kolb is conservative but they have to be because the builders might not build the plane correctly. My plane is registered with a 1050 lbs. maximum gross weight and it is beefed up to my satisfaction. There is only one person that I'm aware of that has a gross weight at 1200 lbs. and he did some major modification to do this. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Rowe" Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:00 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight question > > >> Could someone please give me a ballpark number on what the useful load >> should be on a Mark III C with a 582 and standard configuration? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Keath T >> >> >> Keath, > > Depending on the empty weight of the particular bird and if the > established gross weight is 1000 pounds, the usefull load with ten gallons > of fuel will be around 400 to 500 pounds. > > Denny Rowe, Mk-3, 690L-70, empty weight 470lbs, useful load approx 470lbs. > PS, some people set their gross weight as high as 1200lbs when they > register their Mk-3s, adding a lot to their legal useful load. > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight question From: Richard Girard The other part of declaring a heavier weight is that you must test the aircraft at that weight and record such things as stall speed at that weight in order to legally come out of phase 1 testing. If you declare 1200 lb. and only test to 1050, or whatever, you have never truly completed your phase 1 testing. Check to see what your operating limitations say, too. Rick On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Richard & Martha Neilsen < NeilsenRM@comcast.net> wrote: > NeilsenRM@comcast.net> > > Keath > > Useful load really depends on how it is built. Most Kolbs are built heavy > reducing their useful load. My MKIIIC with a VW weighs 598lbs. empty. The > 582 will weigh less but there really isn't a standard MKIII empty weight. > They are after all experimental so the weight varies all over the place. > > Also Kolb recommends a maximum gross weight of 1000 lbs. It is NOT good to > recommend a higher gross weight. Some people have made modifications (me > included) that they think increases the strength and have registered their > planes heaver but? Kolb is conservative but they have to be because the > builders might not build the plane correctly. My plane is registered with a > 1050 lbs. maximum gross weight and it is beefed up to my satisfaction. There > is only one person that I'm aware of that has a gross weight at 1200 lbs. > and he did some major modification to do this. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIC > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Rowe" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:00 AM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight question > > >> >> >> Could someone please give me a ballpark number on what the useful load >>> should be on a Mark III C with a 582 and standard configuration? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Keath T >>> >>> >>> Keath, >>> >> >> Depending on the empty weight of the particular bird and if the >> established gross weight is 1000 pounds, the usefull load with ten gallons >> of fuel will be around 400 to 500 pounds. >> >> Denny Rowe, Mk-3, 690L-70, empty weight 470lbs, useful load approx 470lbs. >> PS, some people set their gross weight as high as 1200lbs when they >> register their Mk-3s, adding a lot to their legal useful load. >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:04 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: withdrawal symptoms From: zeprep251@aol.com Rick, ??? How are you holding up?A couple months now,earthbound,no view from up high,no olfactory treat flying over the local pig farms, no riding the midday thermals! Just checking! ?? Gary Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200, Lakeland Fla. -----Original Message----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen Sent: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 9:10 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight question ? Keath? ? Useful load really depends on how it is built. Most Kolbs are built heavy reducing their useful load. My MKIIIC with a VW weighs 598lbs. empty. The 582 will weigh less but there really isn't a standard MKIII empty weight. They are after all experimental so the weight varies all over the place.? ? Also Kolb recommends a maximum gross weight of 1000 lbs. It is NOT good to recommend a higher gross weight. Some people have made modifications (me included) that they think increases the strength and have registered their planes heaver but? Kolb is conservative but they have to be because the builders might not build the plane correctly. My plane is registered with a 1050 lbs. maximum gross weight and it is beefed up to my satisfaction. There is only one person that I'm aware of that has a gross weight at 1200 lbs. and he did some major modification to do this.? ? Rick Neilsen? Redrive VW powered MKIIIC? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Rowe" ? Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:00 AM? Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight question? ? >? >? >> Could someone please give me a ballpark number on what the useful load >> should be on a Mark III C with a 582 and standard configuration?? >>? >> Thanks!? >>? >> Keath T? >>? >>? >> Keath,? >? > Depending on the empty weight of the particular bird and if the > established gross weight is 1000 pounds, the usefull load with ten gallons > of fuel will be around 400 to 500 pounds.? >? > Denny Rowe, Mk-3, 690L-70, empty weight 470lbs, useful load approx 470lbs.? > PS, some people set their gross weight as high as 1200lbs when they > register their Mk-3s, adding a lot to their legal useful load.? >? >? >? > ? ? ? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:08 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: withdrawal symptoms Gary I'm not holding up very well. I attended the Sebring expo and will attend the EAA flyin at Buchan on Saturday but haven't flown and there is no substitute for that. If I had stayed in Michigan I wouldn't have flown any anyway. I tell my Michigan friends that it has been cold this winter in Florida but for some reason I get no sympathy. My feet are growing roots into terra firma and it is making me grouchy. When I talk to people I have to bite my tongue and on some E-Mails I have to bite my fingers. I have said this before but next year I will be bringing my Kolb to Florida with me. Oh well retired life is hell. I guess I will just have to go on my daily shark tooth hunting walk on the beach. Do not archive Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: zeprep251@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: Kolb-List: withdrawal symptoms Rick, How are you holding up?A couple months now,earthbound,no view from up high,no olfactory treat flying over the local pig farms, no riding the midday thermals! Just checking! Gary Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200, Lakeland Fla. -----Original Message----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 9:10 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight question Keath Useful load really depends on how it is built. Most Kolbs are built heavy reducing their useful load. My MKIIIC with a VW weighs 598lbs. empty. The 582 will weigh less but there really isn't a standard MKIII empty weight. They are after all experimental so the weight varies all over the place. Also Kolb recommends a maximum gross weight of 1000 lbs. It is NOT good to recommend a higher gross weight. Some people have made modifications (me included) that they think increases the strength and have registered their planes heaver but? Kolb is conservative but they have to be because the builders might not build the plane correctly. My plane is registered with a 1050 lbs. maximum gross weight and it is beefed up to my satisfaction. There is only one person that I'm aware of that has a gross weight at 1200 lbs. and he did some major modification to do this. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Rowe" To: Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:00 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight question > > >> Could someone please give me a ballpark number on what the useful load >> should be on a Mark III C with a 582 and standard configuration? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Keath T >> >> >> Keath, > > Depending on the empty weight of the particular bird and if the > established gross weight is 1000 pounds, the usefull load with ten gallons > of fuel will be around 400 to 500 pounds. > > Denny Rowe, Mk-3, 690L-70, empty weight 470lbs, useful load approx 470lbs. > PS, some people set their gross weight as high as 1200lbs when they > register their Mk-3s, adding a lot to their legal useful load. > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes From: "cristalclear13" I appreciate everyone's input on this. I'm sorry it has taken me so long to follow up, but it has taken me a while to get out and work on it and then test it. I used my shop vac on the inside where the fabric joins the tubing and cleaned up any loose dirt I could. The outside oily substance I had already just wiped away when I first saw it. Then I put some goop as a filler so that more substance (water, dirt, etc.) wouldn't fall down between the fabric and tubing. I put the goop only in a couple test areas that seemed to have a problem. I've flown and flown and it is not doing it again anywhere, so here's hoping either one or both the cleaning and/or goop helped. I'll keep you informed (for those inquiring minds...whose initials are Carlos). :D jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote: > At 11:08 PM 1/23/09 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > > Haven't followed this thread closely, but do have a comment about fabric > > wearing aluminum. It's likely not the covering doing the damage, but > > grit carried by the covering as it moves relative to the tube. > > > > Most of the guys flying bigger experimentals know not to use nylon wire > > ties directly on motor mounts because they can eat through the 4130 > > steel. Dirt & grit get embedded in the nylon & if it moves, it acts like > > a saw. This is a very real issue with any soft material moving against > > metal in an a/c; I've had a fabric covered starter cable cut through an > > aluminum oil drain-back tube on a Lyc. > > > > > > > > Charlie, Cristal, and Kolbers, > > One thing to remember is that iron oxide and aluminum oxide are both > abrasives, where aluminum oxide is the champ. This why if the fabric is > fretting over aluminum tubing, a black powder will form. Add a little water > or oil and it will run down the fabric. When you can see the black, it is > the alumni oxide caught in the fabric that will rapidly wear or fret the > aluminum tube over which the fabric has been stretched. > > Since you cannot get away from the fabric contacting the aluminum tube oxide > coating, the only way to stop the fretting is to make sure the fabric cannot > move. In Cristal's case I would blow the dust away from the tube and fabric > and then lightly brush poly tack thinned with some MEK above the tube an on > the inside of the fabric. This combination should help to re attach the > fabric to the tube. Brushing it lightly will prevent a run down on the > inside of the fabric that may show through. Then I would follow up with a > second brushing of full strength poly tack. Then I would air brush the > paint on the out side and go fly. > > Snowing a little > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231112#231112 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: withdrawal symptoms From: zeprep251@aol.com ?Rick, ??? Always lookin' for someplace to go.Maybe try to make X-36 on Sat.a.m. ???????????????????????????????? Seem to get the same treatment from the folks up north.Just ain't no justice.Work till your 67 and they begrudge you a little sunshine in your golden years.I'll stick a picture in just in case. ?????????????????????????????????? Gary Aman ??? -----Original Message----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen Sent: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 1:34 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: withdrawal symptoms Gary ? I'm not holding up very well. I attended the Sebring expo and will attend the EAA flyin at Buchan on Saturday but haven't flown and there is no substitute for that. If I had stayed in Michigan I wouldn't have flown any anyway. I tell my Michigan friends that it has been cold this winter in Florida but for some reason I get no sympathy.?My feet are growing roots into terra firma and it is making me grouchy. When I talk to people I have to bite my tongue and on some E-Mails I have to bite my fingers. ? I have said this before but next year I will be bringing my Kolb to Florida with me. ? Oh well retired life is hell. I guess I will just have to go on my daily shark tooth hunting walk on the beach. ? Do not archive ? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: zeprep251@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: Kolb-List: withdrawal symptoms Rick, ??? How are you holding up?A couple months now,earthbound,no view from up high,no olfactory treat flying over the local pig farms, no riding the midday thermals! Just checking! ?? Gary Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200, Lakeland Fla. -----Original Message----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen Sent: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 9:10 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" ? ? Keath? ? Useful load really depends on how it is built. Most Kolbs are built heavy reducing their useful load. My MKIIIC with a VW weighs 598lbs. empty. The 582 will weigh less but there really isn't a standard MKIII empty weight. They are after all experimental so the weight varies all over the place.? ? Also Kolb recommends a maximum gross weight of 1000 lbs. It is NOT good to recommend a higher gross weight. Some people have made modifications (me included) that they think increases the strength and have registered their planes heaver but? Kolb is conservative but they have to be because the builders might not build the plane correctly. My plane is registered with a 1050 lbs. maximum gross weight and it is beefed up to my satisfaction. There is only one person that I'm aware of that has a gross weight at 1200 lbs. and he did some major modification to do this.? ? Rick Neilsen? Redrive VW powered MKIIIC? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Rowe" ? ? Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:00 AM? Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight question? ? Rowe" ? >? >? >> Could someone please give me a ballpark number on what the useful load >> should be on a Mark III C with a 582 and standard configuration?? >>? >> Thanks!? >>? >> Keath T? >>? >>? >> Keath,? >? > Depending on the empty weight of the particular bird and if the > established gross weight is 1000 pounds, the usefull load with ten gallons > of fuel will be around 400 to 500 pounds.? >? > Denny Rowe, Mk-3, 690L-70, empty weight 470lbs, useful load approx 470lbs.? > PS, some people set their gross weight as high as 1200lbs when they > register their Mk-3s, adding a lot to their legal useful load.? >? >? >? > ? ? ? href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:59 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes From: "JetPilot" I use Goop for some areas in building model airplanes where I can not use a brittle glue. Goop is incredibly strong and durable ! The only thing that seems to kill good is constant everyday exposure to the sun. I bet that Goop inside will outlast the fabric ! Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231137#231137 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:55 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new photos on facebook From: "JetPilot" As always very nice pictures Larry, was it rough under those clouds ? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231138#231138 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flight/Line FL-760 Radio From: "JetPilot" Rick, If you want a radio with a built in Intercom, look at the Icom A210. This radio is nothing short of incredible, and the built intercom works way better than my dedicated electronic computerized intercom did. I took the dedicated intercom out and use the Icom. As far as the radio part, the Icom is unbeatable, very sophisticated, and easy to use. There are many setup options that you never knew you wanted until you have them. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231139#231139 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:41 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: condition inspection "annual"? From: "grantr" My airplane is registered as an experimental amateur built. Can any A&P do the inspection or do they have to hold a IA certification? I was told by one A&P that many of them do not want to do the inspections on these airplanes due to liability. In other words they don't want to sign off on it unless its a certified airplane. I think I found someone to do it I hope. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231140#231140 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:32 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: new photos on facebook ----- Original Message ----- From: JetPilot To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new photos on facebook As always very nice pictures Larry, was it rough under those clouds ? Mike No, but there was a nice lift of about 700 FPM. Larry C, Oregon ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:47 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes What in heck is wrong with using poly tack something that we all know is compatible with the poly fiber material Ellery do not archive In a message dated 2/19/2009 8:43:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, orcabonita@hotmail.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" I use Goop for some areas in building model airplanes where I can not use a brittle glue. Goop is incredibly strong and durable ! The only thing that seems to kill good is constant everyday exposure to the sun. I bet that Goop inside will outlast the fabric ! Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231137#231137 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:53 PM PST US From: "Brad Z." Subject: Kolb-List: Wheel Pants Source - 6.00 x 6 Tires I'm looking for a source to buy wheel pants for my MKIII Classic. Leading Edge Airfoils used to have them, but they're backordered indefinitely. I have the 6.00 x 6 tires. Any leads would be appreciated. I just bought my plane, and am new to the wonderful world of Kolb. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:01 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flight/Line FL-760 Radio From: "Rick Lewis" Thanks for the info Mike I'll check it out. I like Icom anyway. Rick L. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231147#231147 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:23 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: condition inspection "annual"? Any A&P. It's all about liability. Some people you can trust and some..........?? What happens when the A&P inspects and signs off an airplane and then the owner turns around and sells it immediately to a crazed idiot who does something stupid and now guess who has his name in the book? Innocent passenger's family sues everyone involved. No thanks. BB On 19, Feb 2009, at 8:58 PM, grantr wrote: > > > My airplane is registered as an experimental amateur built. Can > any A&P do the inspection or do they have to hold a IA certification? > > I was told by one A&P that many of them do not want to do the > inspections on these airplanes due to liability. In other words > they don't want to sign off on it unless its a certified airplane. > > I think I found someone to do it I hope. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231140#231140 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:24 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes Nothing wrong with polytack. Goop can be bought down at the corner store and is just as good if not better. It holds the 1/8" lexan wing fences on my MkIII. BB On 19, Feb 2009, at 9:04 PM, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote: > What in heck is wrong with using poly tack something that we all > know is compatible with the poly fiber material > > Ellery > do not archive > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 8:43:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > orcabonita@hotmail.com writes: > > I use Goop for some areas in building model airplanes where I can > not use a brittle glue. Goop is incredibly strong and durable ! > The only thing that seems to kill good is constant everyday > exposure to the sun. I bet that Goop inside will outlast the fabric ! > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast > as you could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231137#231137 > > > A 100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F% > 2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072% > 26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62"> See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:30 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Kolb-List: wheel pants and Icom Kolb guys and Brad: Brad=2C The following paragraph I copied and pasted here=2C from the guy I bought my wheel pants from. The quality is astounding=2C and I highly re commend them. My com radio is an Icom A200. I actually can see light at the end of the tunnel for the day I will be installing it. (1 month??) BTW=2C I began the Poly Fiber covering of my left wing today. It has bee n a long=2C long time coming! ALL other Poly Fiber has been installed=2C P oly Brushed=2C and Poly Sprayed (incl. cabin=2C all tailfeather=2C both fla ps and ailerons...done) Here's the copied and pasted part from John=3B I will accept your offer for $160 total for the 2 mains=2C but they are bla ck and we are currently out of white material=2C or I would substitute them for you. If this is ok with you=2C I'll follow the Ebay process to accept your offer=2C or you can just buy them direct. I accept Paypal to wjohn1156 @aol.com or a check is fine also to: Precision Composite Inc. 56 Marnel Rd. Montgomery=2C IL. 60538 Thanks for your interest in our products! John Send him an email and ask for his phone number. Best regards=2C Mike Welch MkIII CX _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:24 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: condition inspection "annual"? From: "grantr" How is this any different from signing off a private owned certified airplane? If the same circumstances occur that A&P's name is in the logs as well. He can still be sued either way right? I hate our sue happy legal system! [Evil or Very Mad] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231153#231153 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes From: "cristalclear13" ElleryWeld(at)aol.com wrote: > What in heck is wrong with using poly tack something that we all know is compatible with the poly fiber material > > Ellery Some people wanted to know what I did so I let everyone know. Was it the best solution? Probably not. I'm not sure I like the way it looks on the outside where the goop bonded with the fabric. But luckily I only put it in a couple small places. Whoever did the fabric on the cage on this plane didn't follow standard procedures for poly-fiber. They used automotive paint and didn't apply the silver coat for UV protection. I will probably have to do a recovering of the cage soon enough. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231154#231154 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:58 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes From: "Ralph B" As an alternative, brushing polybrush and polytone with a paint brush instead of using a sprayer works pretty well. I painted everything on my Firestar wings with a roller and paint brush. It's not messy and there's no concern about over-spray. It makes adding patches and repairs easy. Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 22 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 almost 1 year flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231160#231160 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/firestar__930.jpg ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:28 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes > Whoever did the fabric on the cage on this plane didn't follow standard procedures for poly-fiber. They used automotive paint and didn't apply the silver coat for UV protection. I will probably have to do a recovering of the cage soon enough. > > -------- > Cristal Waters Cristal: If it was mine, and auto paint had been used, I'd make sure fabric on all flying surfaces, especially the wings, were inspected and a punch tested. Couple years ago I helped pull old fabric from a Kolb that had been finished with auto paint. The fabric had little to no tear resistance. I make it a habit never to mix products when covering an airplane with the Polyfiber process. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:30 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fabric rubbing on cage tubes Whoever did the fabric on the cage on this plane didn't follow standard procedures for poly-fiber. They used automotive paint and didn't apply the silver coat for UV protection. I will probably have to do a recovering of the cage soon enough. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Cristal, It is my understanding that the use of Auto Paint on Poly Fiber is not either recommended or good. I repainted my Firestar with Auto paint when I first bought it. All seemed ok and I did use it for a long time, but it did do something to the fabric, and just carrying the wings by hand was enough to split the fabric. Scary in the extreme. If this guy did the wings with the auto paint, I would suggest that you do a fabric punch test to make sure that it did not affect the covering. The cage wouldn't be much more than an inconvenience, the wings would be serious. Larry C, Oregon ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: condition inspection "annual"? From: Richard Girard Grant, all, I'll give you the gist of what the lawyer who addressed our LSARM class said."The first thing I'll do is go through the logbooks and name everyone whose name is in them in the lawsuit, anything less is malpractice." The legal system works fine, it's the people who use it that you have issue with. Rick On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:55 PM, grantr wrote: > > How is this any different from signing off a private owned certified > airplane? If the same circumstances occur that A&P's name is in the logs as > well. He can still be sued either way right? > > > I hate our sue happy legal system! [Evil or Very Mad] > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231153#231153 > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:51 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wheel Pants Source - 6.00 x 6 Tires At 09:07 PM 2/19/2009, you wrote: > >I'm looking for a source to buy wheel pants for my MKIII Classic. >Leading Edge Airfoils used to have them, but they're backordered >indefinitely. I have the 6.00 x 6 tires. Any leads would be >appreciated. I just bought my plane, and am new to the wonderful >world of Kolb. I like these kind, you can run over rocks etc. but still keep the junk out of your prop. Used to be made by Harbor Products in California. Don't know if they're still in business. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:32 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Wheel Pants Source - 6.00 x 6 Tires I'm looking for a source to buy wheel pants for my MKIII Classic. > Leading Edge Airfoils used to have them=2C but they're backordered > indefinitely. I have the 6.00 x 6 tires. Any leads would be > appreciated. I just bought my plane=2C and am new to the wonderful world > of Kolb. Brad=2C I found John's instrument pod he sells on eBay. Although he doesn't pres ently show an auction for wheel pants=2C I know he sells them. Awesome stu ff=2C too. If you want a picture of my wheel pants=2C let me know=2C and I'll email a picture. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ultralight-Aircraft-Instrument-Pod-Grand-Rap ids-Rotax_W0QQitemZ130285888714QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Aviation_Parts_Gea r?hash=item130285888714&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A64%7C66%3 A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Mike Welch _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_0 22009 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.