Kolb-List Digest Archive

Thu 03/26/09


Total Messages Posted: 26



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     1. 05:20 AM - Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country? (pj.ladd)
     2. 06:14 AM - Re: Flying videos thermals! (ropermike)
     3. 09:42 AM - Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country? (Dana Hague)
     4. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: Flying videos thermals! (Dana Hague)
     5. 09:57 AM - Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country? (John Hauck)
     6. 10:08 AM - Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country? (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
     7. 10:21 AM - Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country (lucien)
     8. 10:33 AM - Dates for M.V. (frank.goodnight)
     9. 11:09 AM - Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country? (pj.ladd)
    10. 11:34 AM - Re: Dates for M.V. (John Hauck)
    11. 11:52 AM - Re: Flying videos thermals! (grantr)
    12. 12:57 PM - Re: Flying videos thermals! (cristalclear13)
    13. 01:09 PM - Re: Flying videos thermals! (lucien)
    14. 02:11 PM - How long is a folded mark 111 classic? (Brian Steiner)
    15. 02:16 PM - Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (Jean PILLAUDIN)
    16. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Flying videos thermals! (Jack B. Hart)
    17. 02:21 PM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (Jean PILLAUDIN)
    18. 02:35 PM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (John Hauck)
    19. 02:39 PM - Re: How long is a folded mark 111 classic? (ces308)
    20. 02:41 PM - Re: How long is a folded mark 111 classic? (Jim Kmet)
    21. 03:40 PM - Re: How long is a folded mark 111 classic? (gliderx5@comcast.net)
    22. 05:24 PM - Re: How long is a folded mark 111 classic? (Robert Laird)
    23. 05:45 PM - Used CHT /EGT wanted (Jim Kmet)
    24. 07:32 PM - Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft (jerb)
    25. 07:37 PM - Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft (jerb)
    26. 08:38 PM - Re: Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft (Mike Welch)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:20:00 AM PST US
    From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country?
    A person takes a mighty big gamble flying cross-country with old charts. Hi All, in the UK it is illegal to fly without an up to date chart. Most people fly with one, not necessarily THAT up to date but i have never heard of anyone being checked. Pat


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    Time: 06:14:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flying videos thermals!
    From: "ropermike" <ropermike2002@yahoo.com>
    I purchased my MK II in south Ms and flew it there for 6 months before bringing it home to West Texas. After unloading the plane in the middle of the summer afternoon, I couldnt resist taking it for a spin. I was shocked as it nearly beat me to death and my aileron control was very sluggish at times! It didnt take me long to get back on the ground! I found out pretty quick why they have the yearly world championship hang gliding competition 20 miles north in Big Springs, Texas......I am a early morning/ late evening flyer as I like to fly at 1000' agl or lower on my pleasure missions. I try to go up on short flights in the midday thermals every now and then just to train myself and get used to the rough air but I am still very uncomfortable. Until a few years ago, I had owned and flown a Piper Pacer for 10 years and never remember it being that rough, but then again, most of my flights with the Pacer was climbing up high and going somewhere. -------- The next best thing to playing and winning is playing and losing!...Mike Hillger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236202#236202


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    Time: 09:42:07 AM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country?
    At 08:18 AM 3/26/2009, pj.ladd wrote: > >in the UK it is illegal to fly without an up to date chart. Most people >fly with one, not necessarily THAT up to date but i have never heard of >anyone being checked. To the best of my knowledge there is no US regulation requiring a chart to be carried. Instead we simply have this: =A7 91.103 Preflight action. Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight. This information must include=97 (a) For a flight under IFR or a flight not in the vicinity of an airport, weather reports and forecasts, fuel requirements, alternatives available if the planned flight cannot be completed, and any known traffic delays of which the pilot in command has been advised by ATC; (b) For any flight, runway lengths at airports of intended use, and the following takeoff and landing distance information: (1) For civil aircraft for which an approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual containing takeoff and landing distance data is required, the takeoff and landing distance data contained therein; and (2) For civil aircraft other than those specified in paragraph (b)(1) of this section, other reliable information appropriate to the aircraft, relating to aircraft performance under expected values of airport elevation and runway slope, aircraft gross weight, and wind and temperature. -Dana -- Hangover: The Wrath of Grapes.


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    Time: 09:46:41 AM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Flying videos thermals!
    At 09:13 AM 3/26/2009, ropermike wrote: >...rough air but I am still very uncomfortable. Until a few years ago, I >had owned and flown a Piper Pacer for 10 years and never remember it being >that rough, but then again, most of my flights with the Pacer was climbing >up high and going somewhere... Your Pacer had short wings and a much higher wing loading than a Kolb. -Dana -- Hangover: The Wrath of Grapes.


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    Time: 09:57:21 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country?
    I tried to find the reg, but alas, I failed. Maybe some of the more informed pilots on the Kolb List can pull up this info. John W was the one who told me about sectionals and GPS's. He said if your sectional was current, the Jeppesen Data Base in your GPS did not have to be current. If your GPS was current, you were not required to have a current sectional. However, don't get ramp checked with only an expired sectional or only an expired Jeppesen Data Base in your GPS, or both. John W was an excellent source of flying info. He should have been. He lived and worked with it right out of high school, as an Army Aviator, for nearly 40 years to the day he died. I have no reason to disagree with his info. john h mkIII To the best of my knowledge there is no US regulation requiring a chart to be carried. -Dana


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    Time: 10:08:54 AM PST US
    From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country?
    Dana It would be nice if part 91.103 said up to date chart. What is says is that you need "all available information" which means no matter what all information you may have gathered you are likely to have missed something they could cite you for missing. I have said this before but If you are a EAA member there is a free flight planning service that is really worth doing. If your not a member it may still be well worth using it. You get the latest charts in knee board format and notams for your route of flight. This is especially useful if you don't have time to order the latest charts before a flight. It can also be found at areoplanner.com Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Dana Hague To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country? At 08:18 AM 3/26/2009, pj.ladd wrote: in the UK it is illegal to fly without an up to date chart. Most people fly with one, not necessarily THAT up to date but i have never heard of anyone being checked. To the best of my knowledge there is no US regulation requiring a chart to be carried. Instead we simply have this: =A7 91.103 Preflight action. Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight. This information must include- (a) For a flight under IFR or a flight not in the vicinity of an airport, weather reports and forecasts, fuel requirements, alternatives available if the planned flight cannot be completed, and any known traffic delays of which the pilot in command has been advised by ATC; (b) For any flight, runway lengths at airports of intended use, and the following takeoff and landing distance information: (1) For civil aircraft for which an approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual containing takeoff and landing distance data is required, the takeoff and landing distance data contained therein; and (2) For civil aircraft other than those specified in paragraph (b)(1) of this section, other reliable information appropriate to the aircraft, relating to aircraft performance under expected values of airport elevation and runway slope, aircraft gross weight, and wind and temperature. -Dana -- Hangover: The Wrath of Grapes.


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    Time: 10:21:01 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country
    From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
    Hmm... It sounds to me like Dana is right. There's no specific reg that says you must carry charts (except for 91.503, but that applies only to big iron jets and such). There's just the requirement that you get "all available information". Looks like this can be a De Facto requirement that you have a chart, i.e. you can get busted under 91.103 if there's a violation and they want to pin you with that. But that appears to be it. I'll be darned... I could have sworn it was a hard/fast requirement..... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236238#236238


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    Time: 10:33:00 AM PST US
    From: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net>
    Subject: Dates for M.V.
    Would someone please post the dates for M.V. I plan to attend but don't know when to be there. Frank Goodnight FireStar2 HKS 65 hrs.


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    Time: 11:09:11 AM PST US
    From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country?
    Instead we simply have this: =A7 91.103 Preflight action.. Hi Dana. Thats enough to be going on with. I am sure that we have something similar but the way it actually works is kick the tyres (or tires) and pull the string. Cheers Pat


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    Time: 11:34:26 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Dates for M.V.
    > Would someone please post the dates for M.V. > I plan to attend but don't know when to be there. > > Frank Goodnight Here's what was published 19 Dec 08: 2009 Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin Monument Valley 15,16, 17 May 2009. Those dates are the weekend between Mothers' Day and Memorial Day Weekend. Although the "official" dates are 15, 16, and 17 May 2009, most of us get there a day early on Thursday and depart Sunday morning (14-17 May 09). Frank, where are you going to be flying from? All are welcome. Hope we have a big crowd of Kolb enthusiast. If you aren't a Kolb enthusiast, you may become one if you hang around us too long. john h mkIII


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    Time: 11:52:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flying videos thermals!
    From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
    It takes a bit of aileron input to correct for some for the gusts. A few points in the video you can see I am having to just hold the stick to the left to keep the wing down. Next time I will get the angle set so you can see my stick inputs better. I wish the plane did have a quicker roll response. I guess what we try to avoid is what glider pilots love to get in. I wonder how rough the air feels in a glider or hang glider. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236250#236250


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    Time: 12:57:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flying videos thermals!
    From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
    grantr wrote: > I guess I am hard headed but I always wind up going out to fly in mid day conditions. I hate getting up early and I hate going out late and getting home late especially with the time change having it get dark around 8 so I choose to fly in mid day conditions. > > I don't know how rough it is in larger planes but it sure gives me a workout keeping the wings level and the airspeed and altitude constant. The winds were not bad at 5 to 10mph but thermals were! > > Its fun though and I can climb over it. It has helped me flying in these conditions to become more comfortable with the airplane. The rough air still makes me a little nervous at times especially low on final when I get a good toss. > > I have posted 21 videos! WOW I didnt realize I was enjoying this camera so much.:D > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i83zmWxqpZM&fmt=18 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gvs3PaElJM&fmt=18 Grant, That did not look like fun. When I flew to the Douglas Fly-In everyone was taking off around noon or 1 so I thought I'd give it a try although I knew from flying before in similar conditions that I wouldn't like it. Sure enough I got in the air and the thermals/winds rolled me to the left and what seemed like an eternity (but was probably only 3 or 4 seconds) I was finally able to get control back. I just turned my little tail around and headed for the nice comfy recliner at the FBO and waited until evening. Then I had a very nice, enjoyable flight home in the evening. I'm glad to see other's comments here with similar experiences. Hey, I also saw your snow video! That was so funny. You must have been really excited when filming it. That snow chased me all the way from Illinois. I was driving my car and everytime I stopped it would start snowing or icing. So I headed east and stopped at Jim Kmet's airport and rested for a few hours. Woke up around 4am and saw 2-3 inches of snow already building up. So I got back on the road and plowed my own route through the unplowed mountain roads (being VERY careful not to fall off the mountain...ha!). And when I finally made it to Tifton, GA it dried up and we never saw any of it in Waycross. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236262#236262


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    Time: 01:09:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flying videos thermals!
    From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
    grantr wrote: > It takes a bit of aileron input to correct for some for the gusts. A few points in the video you can see I am having to just hold the stick to the left to keep the wing down. > > Next time I will get the angle set so you can see my stick inputs better. > > I wish the plane did have a quicker roll response. > I guess what we try to avoid is what glider pilots love to get in. I wonder how rough the air feels in a glider or hang glider. In a glider it's nothin.. no matter how rough you don't care in the glider and just want more. Those things are so stable with those super long wings.... It's just on landing that all the fun you had in the air suddenly goes away. That's why I basically stopped with sailplanes myself, you have to land in those conditions because you also have to fly in them. Slamming airplanes onto the ground is not the kind of fun I want to have. So I went crawling back to powered flight in the evenings and have never looked back. Now a motorglider, on the other hand... that'd give you the best of both worlds if you really needed to fly in midday conditions...... But who can afford one of those? We're fine with our small planes I think... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236264#236264


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    Time: 02:11:29 PM PST US
    From: Brian Steiner <bksss@hotmail.com>
    Subject: How long is a folded mark 111 classic?
    A 6 foot 275 pound person wants to purchase my mark 111 classic. It was a long distance phone call and he wants to pick it up with a 16 foot car trai ler. Has anyone hauled a mark 111 on a 16 foot long trailer? Will he be a ble to fit in the cabin. I do not want him to drive 9 hours and find out t hat he is too big for it or we can not get it on his trailer. I know that we will have to make a stand to hold the tail up but am worried that it may protrude a bit far past the end of the trailer. Thanks for any help. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Share photos with friends on Windows Live Messenger http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650734


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    Time: 02:16:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation
    From: Jean PILLAUDIN <jean.pillaudin@gmail.com>
    Hi Kolbers, I read a lot about chute here, don't want to launch again the debat...I know that at the Kolb's begining pilot save their life with hand launched chute. I have a question regarding the hand launch rescue chute installation on my Kolb Ultrastar. I get a chute from ParaDelta Italia, spec are: Max weight: 250kilos Max opened speed: 170 km/h Weight 5kilos See the drawing NumberOne.jpg : the chute is on a ventrally position on my thighs, It is fixed to my harness. The security belt is too long, I do put it on the top near the karabiner (see NumberThree.jpg) ? The chute must be removable easily, what is the kind of fixation do i use? Bests Regards Jean PILLAUDIN -- Jean Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse!


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    Time: 02:18:06 PM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: Re: Flying videos thermals!
    At 11:51 AM 3/26/09 -0700, you wrote: > >Next time I will get the angle set so you can see my stick inputs better. > >I guess what we try to avoid is what glider pilots love to get in. I wonder how rough the air feels in a glider or hang glider. > It feels great. Loose shoulder straps let you beat your head against the canopy. Altitude is important, as you are continously flying just above stall. When something unexpected happens, altitude gives you some time to figure out what is going on or what to do. The best part is that there is no engine noise or vibration that mask ones inputs. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN


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    Time: 02:21:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation
    From: Jean PILLAUDIN <jean.pillaudin@gmail.com>
    Pffff The pictures! 2009/3/26 Jean PILLAUDIN <jean.pillaudin@gmail.com> > Hi Kolbers, > > I read a lot about chute here, don't want to launch again the debat...I > know that at the Kolb's begining pilot save their life with hand launched > chute. > > I have a question regarding the hand launch rescue chute installation on my > Kolb Ultrastar. I get a chute from ParaDelta Italia, spec are: > > Max weight: 250kilos > Max opened speed: 170 km/h > Weight 5kilos > > See the drawing NumberOne.jpg : the chute is on a ventrally position on my > thighs, It is fixed to my harness. > > The security belt is too long, I do put it on the top near the karabiner > (see NumberThree.jpg) ? > > The chute must be removable easily, what is the kind of fixation do i use? > > Bests Regards > > Jean PILLAUDIN > -- > Jean > > Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse! > > * > > * > > -- Jean Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse!


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    Time: 02:35:53 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation
    Jean: I would use a zig-zag fold of about 10-12" to take up the extra length of the bridal, what you refer to as a security belt. Secure the fold with a couple nylon tie wraps. Then secure the folded section to a tube inside the gap seal. The end of the bridal, I would secure the loop aroung the 2" root tube of the airframe behind your head. That is where I attached my bridal on my Ultrastar. john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean PILLAUDIN To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation Pffff The pictures! 2009/3/26 Jean PILLAUDIN <jean.pillaudin@gmail.com> Hi Kolbers, I read a lot about chute here, don't want to launch again the debat...I know that at the Kolb's begining pilot save their life with hand launched chute. I have a question regarding the hand launch rescue chute installation on my Kolb Ultrastar. I get a chute from ParaDelta Italia, spec are: Max weight: 250kilos Max opened speed: 170 km/h Weight 5kilos See the drawing NumberOne.jpg : the chute is on a ventrally position on my thighs, It is fixed to my harness. The security belt is too long, I do put it on the top near the karabiner (see NumberThree.jpg) ? The chute must be removable easily, what is the kind of fixation do i use? Bests Regards Jean PILLAUDIN -- Jean Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse! get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Jean Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse!


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    Time: 02:39:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: How long is a folded mark 111 classic?
    From: "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com>
    Well....when I pick up my m3x in January I had a 25' enclosed snow mobile trailer and we had to rig up the rear door to stay open at the top about a foot....a 26 footer would have just made it.If there is any way he can get an enclosed trailer...tell him to do it! As far as him fitting into it...I am 5' 10" tall and I fit just fine .I think anyway you look at it he is going to have to try it on ! Good luck! chris ambrose m3x-jab Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236280#236280 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_3018_199.jpg


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    Time: 02:41:58 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: How long is a folded mark 111 classic?
    Brian, a 16 foot trailer has to have an extension added onto it, at least 2 feet, then it has to be wide enough for the main gear. I bought a MK-3C last year from a guy that wasn`t that tall, but had such a large girth( Belly), he couldn`t reach across to the throttle. Jim Kmet Cookeville, TN 2 MK-3C`s ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Steiner To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: Kolb-List: How long is a folded mark 111 classic? A 6 foot 275 pound person wants to purchase my mark 111 classic. It was a long distance phone call and he wants to pick it up with a 16 foot car trailer. Has anyone hauled a mark 111 on a 16 foot long trailer? Will he be able to fit in the cabin. I do not want him to drive 9 hours and find out that he is too big for it or we can not get it on his trailer. I know that we will have to make a stand to hold the tail up but am worried that it may protrude a bit far past the end of the trailer. Thanks for any help. Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Tell the whole story with photos, right from your Messenger window. Learn how!


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    Time: 03:40:06 PM PST US
    From: gliderx5@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: How long is a folded mark 111 classic?
    Brian Not apples to apples, but my MKII is about 24' folded. The previous owner was about the size of your buyer, and he was able to fit in and fly it. Malcolm Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Steiner" <bksss@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:10:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Kolb-List: How long is a folded mark 111 classic? A 6 foot 275 pound person wants to purchase my mark 111 classic. It was a long distance phone call and he wants to pick it up with a 16 foot car trailer. Has anyone hauled a mark 111 on a 16 foot long trailer? Will he be able to fit in the cabin. I do not want him to drive 9 hours and find out that he is too big for it or we can not get it on his trailer. I know that we will have to make a stand to hold the tail up but am worried that it may protrude a bit far past the end of the trailer. Thanks for any help. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Share photos with friends on Windows Live Messenger http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid'50734


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    Time: 05:24:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: How long is a folded mark 111 classic?
    From: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
    My 26' trailer can fit my MkIII and close the back tailgate, and, when closed, have just barely enough room to squeeze by if I want to cross to the other side. But only if you're really skinny. I've flown 2-up for a total people-weight of about 420 lbs (and I'm 6' tall), so a single 275 lbs shouldn't be an issue... but, as Jim said, reaching the throttle might be an issue if the belly is large. -- Robert On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Brian Steiner <bksss@hotmail.com> wrote: > A 6 foot 275 pound person wants to purchase my mark 111 classic. It was a > long distance phone call and he wants to pick it up with a 16 foot car > trailer. Has anyone hauled a mark 111 on a 16 foot long trailer? Will he > be able to fit in the cabin. I do not want him to drive 9 hours and find > out that he is too big for it or we can not get it on his trailer. I know > that we will have to make a stand to hold the tail up but am worried that it > may protrude a bit far past the end of the trailer. > Thanks for any help. > Brian > > ------------------------------ > Tell the whole story with photos, right from your Messenger window. Learn > how! <http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid'50732> > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 05:45:59 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Used CHT /EGT wanted
    Anybody have a westach 2 -1/4 inch EGT & or CHT guage they aren`t going to need? I Need one of each, or a Combo EGT/CHT. If so tell me whatcha got & whatcha want for them. Offlist is fine Thanks Jim Kmet Cookeville, TN MK3C w/912 ( now flying) MK-3C w/582 (Soon flying & soon for sale) Do not archive


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    Time: 07:32:45 PM PST US
    From: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
    Subject: Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft
    Hey folks, If you recently purchased a plane and plan to visit Florida such as attending Sun & Fun, you might want to be aware of the follow regarding their taxing recently purchased visiting aircraft. jerb http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/region/2009/090326florida.html


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    Time: 07:37:57 PM PST US
    From: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
    Subject: Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft
    Hey folks, If you recently purchased a plane and plan to visit Florida such as attending Sun & Fun, you might want to be aware of the follow regarding their taxing recently purchased visiting aircraft. Anyone up on this? jerb <http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/region/2009/090326florida.html>


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    Time: 08:38:42 PM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft
    Yes=2C I recall seeing that Florida levied a 6% tax on people that flew t heir airplanes and landed at a Florida airport (including visiting aircraft attending air shows). Maybe it was on this list=2C about 2 years back. Stinkin' freaking tax thieves. Here's how it worked: (let's say you landed your new TBM turboprop at S & F) If they sent you a tax bill=2C and you thought you were immune just becau se you lived in another state...you're wrong!! So=2C you'd say "Screw 'em =2C I'll just not go back into Florida!" Hold on=2C it's not that easy!! (BTW=2C that's what I thought when California did that to me=2C and billed me after I moved out of state) Remember=2C you're talking about "the government". THEY (the thieves) ma ke the rules!! They just look into your personal records for your social s ecurity number=2C and put a TAX LIEN on you. This tax lien is immediately recorded with all three credit bureaus. You won't qualify to buy anything =2C until that lien is cleared!! (ask me how I know) To read that this thievery is being repealed is comforting. It's about t ime!! Now=2C how about a re-vote on the pork-u-lous bill?? Mike Welch > Hey folks=2C > If you recently purchased a plane and plan to visit Florida such as > attending Sun & Fun=2C you might want to be aware of the follow > regarding their taxing recently purchased visiting aircraft. Anyone > up on this? > jerb > > <http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/region/2009/090326florida.html> _________________________________________________________________ Internet Explorer 8 ' Get your Hotmail Accelerated. Download free!




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