---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/28/09: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:23 AM - Re: I'm On My Way! (Yet Still At Home.) (pj.ladd) 2. 03:34 AM - Re: Re: Flying videos thermals! (pj.ladd) 3. 04:00 AM - Re: Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft (pj.ladd) 4. 04:24 AM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (russ kinne) 5. 04:24 AM - Re: Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft (russ kinne) 6. 05:07 AM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (Jim Hauck) 7. 06:22 AM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (Dana Hague) 8. 06:26 AM - Re: Flying videos thermals! (cristalclear13) 9. 06:51 AM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (John Hauck) 10. 09:51 AM - Re: Flying videos thermals! (lucien) 11. 10:09 AM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (Jim Hauck) 12. 11:49 AM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (boyd) 13. 11:52 AM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (Dennis Souder) 14. 12:10 PM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (John Hauck) 15. 12:23 PM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (Vince Hallam) 16. 12:36 PM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (John Hauck) 17. 12:38 PM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (Jean PILLAUDIN) 18. 12:57 PM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (The Kuffels) 19. 01:05 PM - Re: Flying videos thermals! (JetPilot) 20. 01:44 PM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (Richard Girard) 21. 01:46 PM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (Richard Girard) 22. 02:02 PM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (John Hauck) 23. 04:34 PM - Re: I'm On My Way! (Yet Still At Home.) (russ kinne) 24. 04:41 PM - Re: Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft (russ kinne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:52 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I'm On My Way! (Yet Still At Home.) will begin the 2nd leg of my flight on Sunday!!>> Good Luck! Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:12 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flying videos thermals! but the turbulence will roll me and turn me and the controls just don't respond quick enough for me to be comfortable.>> You are comparing apples and oranges. The two planes are built to do different things, just look at the wing loadings! If you you fly a low wing loading plane like the Kolb it is pointless complaining that it doesn`t handle like P45. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:46 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft We had a law in Ky where the state could remove a percentage of one > savings account each year...automatically...>> Hi, we had a County Council here that tried to stop flying at weekends, including stopping off for fuel and the operation of the Flying Ambulance Service. They also wanted all planes at airfields placed so that they could not be seen from any adjacent road.. We don`t have `local taxes`, at least only ones which have been delegated by the Government so they couldn`t have raised money in the way that Florida does. Bet they would have if they could. Incidentally the Coucil in question were hauled across the coals over their proposals and told not to be so silly. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:06 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation Mon cher M. Pillaudin Mon Francais, c'est affreuse -- but maybe I can help. John Hauck is probably the most experienced Kolb pilot in the world -- and I think all he's saying is for you to arrange, by hand, the bridle (security belt?) in a "Z" shape, about 10-12 inches long; put a couple nylon tie-wraps on to hold it in that shape; then secure this to any convenient place on the airframe, inside the gap seal. Does your chute have a pilot chute? Sounds to me that a chute without one might not deploy properly, or even break the tie-wraps. That would not be good. C'est vrai! The pilot chutes that have a big spring inside are the best. Bonne chance, Russ K On Mar 27, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Jean PILLAUDIN wrote: > Thank's a lot John, I need to understand all of your sentences, i > need time. I'll reply if something is not clear in my brain =8;O) > > Have a good Week-end. > > Jean > > 2009/3/26 John Hauck > Jean: > > I would use a zig-zag fold of about 10-12" to take up the extra > length of the bridal, what you refer to as a security belt. Secure > the fold with a couple nylon tie wraps. Then secure the folded > section to a tube inside the gap seal. The end of the bridal, I > would secure the loop aroung the 2" root tube of the airframe > behind your head. That is where I attached my bridal on my Ultrastar. > > john h > mkIII > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jean PILLAUDIN > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute > installation > > Pffff > > The pictures! > > 2009/3/26 Jean PILLAUDIN > Hi Kolbers, > > I read a lot about chute here, don't want to launch again the > debat...I know that at the Kolb's begining pilot save their life > with hand launched chute. > > I have a question regarding the hand launch rescue chute > installation on my Kolb Ultrastar. I get a chute from ParaDelta > Italia, spec are: > > Max weight: 250kilos > Max opened speed: 170 km/h > Weight 5kilos > See the drawing NumberOne.jpg : the chute is on a ventrally > position on my thighs, It is fixed to my harness. > > The security belt is too long, I do put it on the top near the > karabiner (see NumberThree.jpg) ? > > > The chute must be removable easily, what is the kind of fixation do > i use? > > > Bests Regards > > > Jean PILLAUDIN > > -- > Jean > > Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse! > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > -- > Jean > > Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse! > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > a href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http:// > forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > -- > Jean > > Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse! > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:06 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft Amen , bro! On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:59 PM, loseyf@comcast.net wrote: > > I would take the last 8 years over the last 60 days in a New York > minute! > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie England > > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:47:23 > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Florida may tax recently purchased > visiting aircraft > > > > > Or, in the case of the last eight years, to make us more compatible > with > the National Socialism of 1930's Italy & Germany. > > Never kid yourself that the only danger is from the left. > > Charlie > > herb wrote: >> >> Obviously un constutional...!! But by the time one gets a >> refund...the >> damage could already be done... >> >> We had a law in Ky where the state could remove a percentage of one >> savings account each year...automatically... My first year >> here.....It >> was declared unconstutional and I was told that I could apply for a >> refund.... I did not...just decided to get even!! :-) >> >> Does anyone remember the the Founding Documents?? :-) As Ruth Bader >> Ginsburg has said..."they are living and breathing documents" . >> Meaning that they can be destroyed....on a whim.. to make us more >> compatible with North Korea and Venezuela...?? Herb >> >> >> Do not archive.... >> >> At 10:32 PM 3/26/2009, you wrote: >>> Yes, I recall seeing that Florida levied a 6% tax on people that >>> flew >>> their airplanes and landed at a Florida airport (including visiting >>> aircraft attending air shows). Maybe it was on this list, about 2 >>> years back. >>> Stinkin' freaking tax thieves. >>> >>> Here's how it worked: (let's say you landed your new TBM >>> turboprop at >>> S & F) >>> If they sent you a tax bill, and you thought you were immune just >>> because you lived in another state...you're wrong!! So, you'd say >>> "Screw 'em, I'll just not go back into Florida!" Hold on, it's not >>> that easy!! (BTW, that's what I thought when California did that to >>> me, and billed me after I moved out of state) >>> >>> Remember, you're talking about "the government". THEY (the thieves) >>> make the rules!! They just look into your personal records for your >>> social security number, and put a TAX LIEN on you. This tax lien is >>> immediately recorded with all three credit bureaus. You won't >>> qualify >>> to buy anything, until that lien is cleared!! (ask me how I know) >>> >>> To read that this thievery is being repealed is comforting. It's >>> about time!! Now, how about a re-vote on the pork-u-lous bill?? >>> >>> Mike Welch >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hey folks, >>>> If you recently purchased a plane and plan to visit Florida such as >>>> attending Sun & Fun, you might want to be aware of the follow >>>> regarding their taxing recently purchased visiting aircraft. Anyone >>>> up on this? >>>> jerb >>>> >>>> < http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/region/2009/090326florida.html> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>> Internet Explorer 8 Get your Hotmail Accelerated. <>Download free! >> * >> >> >> * >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:41 AM PST US From: "Jim Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation Russ and All; A pilot chute on a hand deployed parachute is neither needed or required. When the container holding the parachute is thrown into the slip stream the part of the attaching bridle that is stowed inside the container is deployed opening the container allowing the suspension lines to deploy. Actually the container acts like a pilot chute. As for breaking the tie wraps, that is no problem what so ever. When the canopy opens the weight of the airplane will definitely break those tie wraps and anything else that is the way, even to include streamline chrome-moly lift struts. For those that use or plan on using a hand deployed parachute, I would suggest that if you are right handed, I would throw the parachute down and to your left. As you normally have more strength throwing it down than you would trying to toss it up. If you are left handed I would throw it in the opposite direction. I would also suggest that this procedure be practiced until it becomes second nature. When the time come to have to use it in real time, you won't have time to figure out how to throw it. No, I don't mean throw the danged parachute, just sit in your plane and go through the motions. May be a good idea every time you fly to rehearse this procedure. Worth what you paid for it. Jim Hauck ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:13 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation At 08:07 AM 3/28/2009, Jim Hauck wrote: > >For those that use or plan on using a hand deployed parachute, I would >suggest that if you are right handed, I would throw the parachute down and >to your left. As you normally have more strength throwing it down than you >would trying to toss it up. If you are left handed I would throw it in >the opposite direction. You throw it forehand, across your lap? I would have thought you'd throw it down on the side of the arm you're using. >I would also suggest that this procedure be practiced until it becomes >second nature. When the time come to have to use it in real time, you >won't have time to figure out how to throw it. > >No, I don't mean throw the danged parachute, just sit in your plane and go >through the motions. May be a good idea every time you fly to rehearse >this procedure. The paraglider and hang glider guys often have "reserve clinics", where you hang from the harness in a gym somewhere and actually throw the parachute, then a rigger repacks it for you. -Dana -- Diplomacy: Saying "nice doggy" until you find a rock. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:08 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying videos thermals! From: "cristalclear13" pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: > but the turbulence will roll me and turn me and the controls just don't > respond quick enough for me to be comfortable.>> > > You are comparing apples and oranges. The two planes are built to do > different things, just look at the wing loadings! > If you you fly a low wing loading plane like the Kolb it is pointless > complaining that it doesn`t handle like P45. > > Cheers > > Pat Lucien and Pat, You guys are misunderstanding me. I am not complaining about my Mark II in any way or wanting some other plane. I LOVE my Kolb and how it handles and flies and lands and takes off and taxis and anything else I could possibly think that my plane does. I wouldn't trade it for anything. I am just explaining why I don't fly in mid-day thermals in it. This is no problem for me. Like when I went to Douglas, I was in no rush to get home, matter of fact the nice rest I got on their big comfy recliner was quite refreshing (especially after standing around in the hot sun all morning) before I made the trek home that evening. I fly for the relaxation and the VIEW. Nothing beats the view in my Kolb...nothing! -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236515#236515 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:06 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation I doubt anybody on the Kolb List is using a hand deployed parachute. When I got mine, 1984, ballistic recovery systems were extremely new, and my poo r budget would not allow me to have one. It took extra time to get into th e parachute harness, was cumbersome getting in and out of the airplane with it on, difficult to get the seat belt and shoulder harness connected, and finally, the weight of the parachute was always on top of my legs. I often dreamed of the ease of getting in and out of an airplane equipped with a b allistic parachute. So much easier to get in, buckle up, and take off. Ho wever, my desire to fly was so great, I never complained about the hours th at Jim Handbury hand deployed parachute rode in my lap. Brother Jim is correct. I could best grasp the handle on top of the pack t ray with both hands, snatch the deployment bag out of the pack tray, then t hrow it out, down and to the left, with both hands. I am right handed. A left hander will probably be able to do a better job of tossing out the dep loyment bag down and to the right. October 1985, I flew to Florida so Brother Jim could repack my parachute. Before we opened it up, Jim asked me if I had ever practiced deploying it. I had not. He told me to put it on, sit down on the ac unit beside the ho use, and throw it. I did. Seven days later the parachute saved my life. john h ----- You throw it forehand, across your lap? I would have thought you' d throw it down on the side of the arm you're using. -Dana ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:12 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying videos thermals! From: "lucien" cristalclear13 wrote: > > Lucien and Pat, > You guys are misunderstanding me. I am not complaining about my Mark II in any way or wanting some other plane. I LOVE my Kolb and how it handles and flies and lands and takes off and taxis and anything else I could possibly think that my plane does. I wouldn't trade it for anything. I am just explaining why I don't fly in mid-day thermals in it. This is no problem for me. Like when I went to Douglas, I was in no rush to get home, matter of fact the nice rest I got on their big comfy recliner was quite refreshing (especially after standing around in the hot sun all morning) before I made the trek home that evening. I fly for the relaxation and the VIEW. Nothing beats the view in my Kolb...nothing! Er no I'm not complaining either. You can't goof around the patch with a great view in the RV like you can in a Kolb or other light a/c. Even if I could hold a medical, I'd have to be rich enough to do both an RV and a Kolb or Titan ;). Otherwise I'd still choose the latter as that's my preferred flight experience. I don't normally like to use personal aviation for travel anyway, just not my normal mission... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236537#236537 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:52 AM PST US From: "Jim Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation Dana and All; Yes, you throw it across your body and down. Jim Hauck ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:31 AM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation Dana and All; Yes, you throw it across your body and down. Jim Hauck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am no expert,,,,, never been there,,,, never done that,,,,, but,,,,,, from a sitting position, across your body and down is the direction =93I=94 would have the most throwing power,,,, that said,,,,,,, I would route the attaching hardware so that it will cause the least upset of the plane and occupants when the chute opens. I am sure that if used it would be upsetting enough,,,, but if because of the routing of the attachment bridle you did an extra 1 =BD flip with 2 =BD twist,,, don=92t get me wrong, that may still be better than impact at 300 foot per sec=85 but a nice smooth opening in as straight and level mode as possible,,, would be preferable. But then again who is to say what attitude you may be in at the time. Boyd Young My .02 worth. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:44 AM PST US From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation I too had the dubious opportunity of deploying a Handbury (hand deployed) when I failed a wing on the UltraStar. At the speed I was traveling, throwing it one way or the other would have been like attempting to spit into a hurricane. All I recall is that when I had opened the velcro flap on the parachute - it was gone and out of sight in an instant. I am very glad that I didn't "throw it" into any of the structure where it would have gotten caught in something. Totally agree - the ballistic is preferable. Dennis _____ From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:50 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation I doubt anybody on the Kolb List is using a hand deployed parachute. When I got mine, 1984, ballistic recovery systems were extremely new, and my poor budget would not allow me to have one. It took extra time to get into the parachute harness, was cumbersome getting in and out of the airplane with it on, difficult to get the seat belt and shoulder harness connected, and finally, the weight of the parachute was always on top of my legs. I often dreamed of the ease of getting in and out of an airplane equipped with a ballistic parachute. So much easier to get in, buckle up, and take off. However, my desire to fly was so great, I never complained about the hours that Jim Handbury hand deployed parachute rode in my lap. Brother Jim is correct. I could best grasp the handle on top of the pack tray with both hands, snatch the deployment bag out of the pack tray, then throw it out, down and to the left, with both hands. I am right handed. A left hander will probably be able to do a better job of tossing out the deployment bag down and to the right. October 1985, I flew to Florida so Brother Jim could repack my parachute. Before we opened it up, Jim asked me if I had ever practiced deploying it. I had not. He told me to put it on, sit down on the ac unit beside the house, and throw it. I did. Seven days later the parachute saved my life. john h ----- You throw it forehand, across your lap? I would have thought you'd throw it down on the side of the arm you're using. -Dana ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:10 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation I agree with you. The primary mission is the get yourself down safely. What attitude and the condition of the equipment does not matter one bit, in a situation like th is. Getting on the ground safely is. Both times I used my hand deployed parachute, I knew I would sacrifice the airplane. Throwing the deployment bag down and to the left sent it under t he left wing strut. When I got opening shock, it broke the round aluminum strut, allowed the left wing to fly up and over the top of the airplane, an d down on the right wing. I had 4130 streamlined struts on the FS. That strut did not break. I had both wings fully extended until I went through the tall oak and hickory trees. Then the left wing folded down a little. john h mkIII But then again who is to say what attitude you may be in at the time. Boyd Young My .02 worth. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:05 PM PST US From: "Vince Hallam" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation Hey John What caused you to need the chute each time.? Congratulations by the way. Are you saying the bridle is attached to circraft strong point , not to youor your seat belt? Im interested because I was wondereing if I could use a paragliders hand thrown back up on a sub 115 kg aircraft Tel: 01803 316191 Mob: 07941 313141 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation I agree with you. The primary mission is the get yourself down safely. What attitude and the condition of the equipment does not matter one bit, in a situation like this. Getting on the ground safely is. Both times I used my hand deployed parachute, I knew I would sacrifice the airplane. Throwing the deployment bag down and to the left sent it under the left wing strut. When I got opening shock, it broke the round aluminum strut, allowed the left wing to fly up and over the top of the airplane, and down on the right wing. I had 4130 streamlined struts on the FS. That strut did not break. I had both wings fully extended until I went through the tall oak and hickory trees. Then the left wing folded down a little. john h mkIII But then again who is to say what attitude you may be in at the time. Boyd Young My ..02 worth. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:30 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation Vinve H: 1-Upper aileron bell crank pulled out of pivot tube. Total loss of aileron control on my Ultrastar, immediate aileron flutter followed, although I wa s not aware it happened. Someone on the ground saw them flutter and told m e. Ultrastar and all the other Kolbs with standard dihedral are not contro lable without ailerons. 2-Leading edge of wing failure, both wings, from leading edge to the main s par. Folded up and back. Firestar would not fly in that configuration. B lanked out elevators, rudder, and ailerons. 250 feet, 75 mph, in the US. Threw the chute, got full canopy and full lin e stretch, parachute and aircraft horizontal, 1/2 occilation down and on th e ground. No injuries to me. Totalled the US. 500 feet, 75 mph, in the FS. Threw the chute, got full canopy at tree top level, through the trees, and on the ground. No injuries to me. Totalled FS. Having much better luck with the mkIII. ;-) john h mkIII What caused you to need the chute each time.? Congratulations by the way . Are you saying the bridle is attached to circraft strong point , not to y ouor your seat belt? Im interested because I was wondereing if I could use a paragliders hand thrown back up on a sub 115 kg aircraft ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation From: Jean PILLAUDIN Hi All, Thank's a lot to every contributors, these information are very useful for me. I need time to understand all. Thank's to Russ K. to try in french. Have fun fly. Jean 2009/3/28 Vince Hallam > Hey John > What caused you to need the chute each time.? Congratulations by the way. > Are you saying the bridle is attached to circraft strong point , not to > youor your seat belt? > Im interested because I was wondereing if I could use a paragliders hand > thrown back up on a sub 115 kg aircraft > Tel: 01803 316191 > Mob: 07941 313141 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* John Hauck > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:04 PM > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation > > I agree with you. > > The primary mission is the get yourself down safely. What attitude and the > condition of the equipment does not matter one bit, in a situation like > this. Getting on the ground safely is. > > Both times I used my hand deployed parachute, I knew I would sacrifice the > airplane. Throwing the deployment bag down and to the left sent it under > the left wing strut. When I got opening shock, it broke the round aluminum > strut, allowed the left wing to fly up and over the top of the airplane, and > down on the right wing. I had 4130 streamlined struts on the FS. That > strut did not break. I had both wings fully extended until I went through > the tall oak and hickory trees. Then the left wing folded down a little. > > john h > mkIII > > But then again who is to say what attitude you may be in at the time. > > > Boyd Young > > My ..02 worth. > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > -- Jean Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse! ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:20 PM PST US From: "The Kuffels" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation << zig-zag fold of about 10-12" to take up the extra length of the bridal, what you refer to as a security belt the bridle (security belt?) in a "Z" shape, about 10-12 inches long; put a couple nylon tie-wraps on to hold it in that shape; .. even break the tie-wraps. >> Of course, if you use a one-ended zig-zag with relatively loose tie-wraps, you don't have to break the tie-wraps. See the crude diagram: bridle-------------------- __ __ --------------bridle \ / \ / \ / | | | | | | Tie-Wrap --> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Tie-Wrap --> | | | | | | | | | | | | |__| |__| |__| Tom Kuffel Whitefish, MT ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:45 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying videos thermals! From: "JetPilot" Don't feel bad Cristal, I don't like mid day turbulence much either, I avoid it when possible ! Sometimes I fly through midday turbulence when I want to get somewhere, it is kind of funny to watch my wife enjoy fighting the turbulence like Grant does, but I fly mostly mornings and evenings also. Its all about fun and enjoying what you are doing, if you are not then its good judgment to wait on the ground for better conditions. All I can say is that Grant has balls to fly when he does just for the fun of it ;) I was experiencing the same thing in having to hold the stick hard over for a couple seconds at a time trying to correct the roll induced by the turbulence that you are, but the aileron spades helped a lot. I never have to hold full aileron for a couple seconds anymore to keep the wings level in a thermal, I never even need full stick at all. This makes flying in rough conditions a lot less nerve racking. One thing that helps is to stay away from the Hawks, if you make the mistake of flying into an air where you see a bunch of birds soaring, you are in for some really good bumps. I use the birds often to avoid the worst thermals. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236566#236566 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation From: Richard Girard Jean, To brothers Jim and John's advice, I would add this.Before you do anything, take your parachute to a certified rigger and have it evaluated for your purpose. Make sure your parachute has a deployment bag. There were reserve parachutes manufactured without one. A deployment bag is essential to make sure the chute doesn't get snagged on wreckage. Parachutes are sized by the sphere they fit over, not by their area. Many hand deployed parachutes are woefully under sized for the load they will be expected to get to the ground at a survivable descent rate. In my case I got the first thing right, I got the chute out and I lived. The second is what got me. When the rigger I took the chute to looked it over he said it wasn't large enough to bring me down alone, much less adding 80 lb. of hang glider and harness. My chute was a 26' with an area of 360 sq. ft. The parachute I fly with now, and have for the last 29 years, is also a 26', but it has 540 sq. ft. of area. The first step in a deployment situation is to look for a path through the wreckage and throw the parachute there. Don't worry so much about which hand you use, you must get the 'chute out into clear air. Jim is right about the 'chute not having or needing a pilot 'chute. Because of this, the inertia of the chute after you throw it is all the energy available for popping it out of its deployment bag. Anything that impedes the chute from getting to the end of its bridle line takes away from that energy. Even though I threw it out of the wreckage and saw it go to the end of the bridle line, mine did not come out of the deployment bag until a wing of the now spinning glider caught the bridle line and jerked the chute out. From 800 feet I got at least six turns before deployment. There was just enough time to get line stretch, realize I was coming down far too fast and wham. Spent six weeks in a back brace and eventually ended up an inch shorter when the disk between the two damaged vertebra dissolved and the disks fused. No fun at all. Rick do not archive On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:49 AM, John Hauck wrote: > I doubt anybody on the Kolb List is using a hand deployed parachute. > When I got mine, 1984, ballistic recovery systems were extremely new, and my > poor budget would not allow me to have one. It took extra time to get into > the parachute harness, was cumbersome getting in and out of the airplane > with it on, difficult to get the seat belt and shoulder harness connected, > and finally, the weight of the parachute was always on top of my legs. I > often dreamed of the ease of getting in and out of an airplane equipped with > a ballistic parachute. So much easier to get in, buckle up, and take off. > However, my desire to fly was so great, I never complained about the hours > that Jim Handbury hand deployed parachute rode in my lap. > > Brother Jim is correct. I could best grasp the handle on top of the pack > tray with both hands, snatch the deployment bag out of the pack tray, then > throw it out, down and to the left, with both hands. I am right handed. A > left hander will probably be able to do a better job of tossing out the > deployment bag down and to the right. > > October 1985, I flew to Florida so Brother Jim could repack my parachute. > Before we opened it up, Jim asked me if I had ever practiced deploying it. > I had not. He told me to put it on, sit down on the ac unit beside the > house, and throw it. I did. Seven days later the parachute saved my life. > > john h > > > ----- You throw it forehand, across your lap? I would have thought you'd > throw it down on the side of the arm you're using. > > > -Dana > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation From: Richard Girard oops, should be vertabra fused. Rick do not archive On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Jean, To brothers Jim and John's advice, I would add this.Before you do > anything, take your parachute to a certified rigger and have it evaluated > for your purpose. Make sure your parachute has a deployment bag. There were > reserve parachutes manufactured without one. A deployment bag is essential > to make sure the chute doesn't get snagged on wreckage. > Parachutes are sized by the sphere they fit over, not by their area. Many > hand deployed parachutes are woefully under sized for the load they will be > expected to get to the ground at a survivable descent rate. > In my case I got the first thing right, I got the chute out and I lived. > The second is what got me. When the rigger I took the chute to looked it > over he said it wasn't large enough to bring me down alone, much less adding > 80 lb. of hang glider and harness. My chute was a 26' with an area of 360 > sq. ft. The parachute I fly with now, and have for the last 29 years, is > also a 26', but it has 540 sq. ft. of area. > The first step in a deployment situation is to look for a path through the > wreckage and throw the parachute there. Don't worry so much about which hand > you use, you must get the 'chute out into clear air. Jim is right about the > 'chute not having or needing a pilot 'chute. Because of this, the inertia of > the chute after you throw it is all the energy available for popping it out > of its deployment bag. Anything that impedes the chute from getting to the > end of its bridle line takes away from that energy. Even though I threw it > out of the wreckage and saw it go to the end of the bridle line, mine did > not come out of the deployment bag until a wing of the now spinning glider > caught the bridle line and jerked the chute out. From 800 feet I got at > least six turns before deployment. There was just enough time to get line > stretch, realize I was coming down far too fast and wham. Spent six weeks in > a back brace and eventually ended up an inch shorter when the disk between > the two damaged vertebra dissolved and the disks fused. No fun at all. > > Rick > do not archive > > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:49 AM, John Hauck wrote: > >> I doubt anybody on the Kolb List is using a hand deployed parachute. >> When I got mine, 1984, ballistic recovery systems were extremely new, and my >> poor budget would not allow me to have one. It took extra time to get into >> the parachute harness, was cumbersome getting in and out of the airplane >> with it on, difficult to get the seat belt and shoulder harness connected, >> and finally, the weight of the parachute was always on top of my legs. I >> often dreamed of the ease of getting in and out of an airplane equipped with >> a ballistic parachute. So much easier to get in, buckle up, and take off. >> However, my desire to fly was so great, I never complained about the hours >> that Jim Handbury hand deployed parachute rode in my lap. >> >> Brother Jim is correct. I could best grasp the handle on top of the pack >> tray with both hands, snatch the deployment bag out of the pack tray, then >> throw it out, down and to the left, with both hands. I am right handed. A >> left hander will probably be able to do a better job of tossing out the >> deployment bag down and to the right. >> >> October 1985, I flew to Florida so Brother Jim could repack my parachute. >> Before we opened it up, Jim asked me if I had ever practiced deploying it. >> I had not. He told me to put it on, sit down on the ac unit beside the >> house, and throw it. I did. Seven days later the parachute saved my life. >> >> john h >> >> >> >> ----- You throw it forehand, across your lap? I would have thought you'd >> throw it down on the side of the arm you're using. >> >> >> -Dana >> >> >> * >> >> > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:08 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation Tom K: Not necessary. Snug down the tie-wraps. When the canopy opens, there is e nough power to pull the kevlar bridal through aluminum and steel tubing. T he main square tube that ties the main spars together on the top of the fus elage was flattened by the bridal. It wouldn't know the tie-wraps were the re. john h mkIII Of course, if you use a one-ended zig-zag with relatively loose tie-wraps , you don't have to break the tie-wraps. See the crude diagram: bridle-------------------- __ __ --------------bridle \ / \ / \ / | | | | | | Tie-Wrap --> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Tie-Wrap --> | | | | | | | | | | | | |__| |__| |__| Tom Kuffel ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:27 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I'm On My Way! (Yet Still At Home.) Hey, WW/Arty Go for it, girl! -- we're all proud of you. Fair winds, Russ K On Mar 28, 2009, at 12:56 AM, TheWanderingWench wrote: > > > > Hi fellow aviators - > > I think most, but perhaps not all of you know that I'm about to > take off on a mega-flight in my Drifter, flying from Sandy Oregon > to Sun n Fun, round trip. Randy Simpson, a good friend and Carrera > pilot will be making the flight with me, and lots of other pilots > are chiming in about joining us for part of the flight. > > We are scheduled to leave Sunday, March 30. I was in my hangar > yesterday, (Thursday) getting packed, when another pilot stopped by > and pointed out that the weather forecast was for rain starting > Friday night and continuing non-stop until next Tuesday or > Wednesday. That's what I was afraid of when I first began planning > this flight - not being able to get out of northwestern Oregon > during March or even early April. > > I looked out at the perfect blue sky and thought: "Right now is > great flying weather." I'm a great believer in taking advantage of > the moment. So I called Norm and asked: "Honey, could you skip your > meeting tonight and drive down to Lebanon and pick me up?" When he > asked what the heck I was talking about, I explained that if I left > right away and flew south to Lebanon - about 70 miles - I'd be > pretty much out of the forecast rain storms. Since I had a work > commitment on Friday that I absolutely couldn't walk away from, I > figured that I'd leave the Drifter at the Lebanon State Airport, > come home, work on Friday, and then he could drive me back to > Lebanon on Sunday so I could get on with the flight. Norm, bless > his heart, is used to my shenanigans. He said he'd meet me down > there. > > So - I had a great flight yesterday. Lots of clouds but a high > ceiling so not to worry. More than 20 miles visibility. Calm air. > It's really peaceful flying by myself, and I enjoyed loafing along > at 50-55 mph. > > I decided to fly strictly by pilotage instead of using my GPS, just > to brush up on my ability to follow a sectional. It was great fun, > but not a real test since I'm so very familiar with the area. I > also turned on my SPOT tracker so that when I got home I could look > up my track during the flight. (It works perfectly! I've now got a > link to my SPOT tracking on my blog.) > > The FBO owners at Lebanon are absolutely wonderful. They have the > first-ever S-LSA Hornet, which they want to use for flight > instruction. They live right there at the FBO and the entire FBO > looks more like a home than a business office. > > So Norm met me in Lebanon, we came home, I worked today (Friday,) > will use tomorrow to finish packing and do miscellaneous other > things at home, and will begin the 2nd leg of my flight on Sunday!!! > > You can check out my blog at the URL below. I still have to put > our return route on the site - have almost all of the east-bound > route figured out. > > I'll have e-mail access, so you can still be in touch. If we'll be > flying your way and you'd like us to stop in, send me a phone > number and airstrip coordinates (or an identifier) so I can contact > you when we're a day or so out. > > YEAH! After months of dreaming about this, it's about to happen! > > Arty Trost > Maxair Drifter > Sandy, Oregon > www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure.htm > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:48 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft Pat Thank God for those that hauled the coals! Russ On Mar 28, 2009, at 6:58 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > > We had a law in Ky where the state could remove a percentage of one >> savings account each year...automatically...>> > > Hi, > we had a County Council here that tried to stop flying at weekends, > including stopping off for fuel and the operation of the Flying > Ambulance Service. They also wanted all planes at airfields placed > so that they could not be seen from any adjacent road.. > We don`t have `local taxes`, at least only ones which have been > delegated by the Government so they couldn`t have raised money in > the way that Florida does. Bet they would have if they could. > > Incidentally the Coucil in question were hauled across the coals > over their proposals and told not to be so silly. > > Cheers > > Pat > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.