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1. 12:34 AM - Re: lawyers (Tony Oldman)
2. 03:38 AM - Wandering Wench is on her way (Jimmy Young)
3. 03:40 AM - Re: lawyers (loseyf@comcast.net)
4. 04:55 AM - Re: lawyers (Thomas R. Riddle)
5. 05:11 AM - Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs (Thom Riddle)
6. 05:35 AM - Re: lawyers (Mike Welch)
7. 06:21 AM - Re: Re: lawyers (russ kinne)
8. 09:37 AM - Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs (Roger Lee)
9. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: lawyers (Dana Hague)
10. 10:47 AM - Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs (Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL)
11. 10:53 AM - Transparent gascolator with drain valve (Thom Riddle)
12. 11:17 AM - Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve (william sullivan)
13. 11:52 AM - Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve (George Alexander)
14. 01:09 PM - Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve (william sullivan)
15. 02:03 PM - Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation (Jean PILLAUDIN)
16. 02:18 PM - Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve (George Alexander)
17. 02:47 PM - Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve (william sullivan)
18. 02:51 PM - Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve (Dana Hague)
19. 02:59 PM - Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve (JetPilot)
20. 03:03 PM - Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve (william sullivan)
21. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve (Dana Hague)
22. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs (zeprep251@aol.com)
23. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: fuel flow meter (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
24. 11:01 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
25. 11:06 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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You could always sell it to me cheap and I could ship it down under. We do
not sue people in our part of the world as we understand the principal of
personal responsability, also our legal system is not set up for this. Surly
anyone building a hot rod or restoring a old car must face the same problem.
The mind boggles. The only ones to make a fortune are the lawyers but then
again the lawyers make the laws.
Tony
Downunder
MK111
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Hague" <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: lawyers
>
> From what I understand, well written hold harmless agreements can be
> effective in preventing the person who signed it from bringing legal
> action against you, but it's not binding on his heirs, even if there is
> verbage to that effect on the paper... IOW if he crashes and dies you can
> still be sued by his wife and/or kids. However, I've also read that
> including a stipulation in the agreement that any disputes be settled by
> binding arbitration rather than the courts IS binding on the heirs... and
> arbitration by a group of people knowledgeable in the aviation world would
> likely go much better for the seller than a jury of people who've never
> seen an airplane smaller than a 737/
>
> -Dana
> --
> But it's NOT an ASSAULT Weapon, it's a DEFENSE weapon!
>
>
>
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Subject: | Wandering Wench is on her way |
For those who are interested, (how could one not be?) Arty Trost has begun her
journey to Sun & Fun. Go to
www.lessonsfromtheedge.com/uladventure2009.htm
to stay informed.
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Jimmy Young
FS II, Generac V-Twin
Houston TX area
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How refreshing to know there are still Countries with their heads on straight!
------Original Message------
From: Tony Oldman
Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Apr 1, 2009 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: lawyers
You could always sell it to me cheap and I could ship it down under. We do
not sue people in our part of the world as we understand the principal of
personal responsability, also our legal system is not set up for this. Surly
anyone building a hot rod or restoring a old car must face the same problem.
The mind boggles. The only ones to make a fortune are the lawyers but then
again the lawyers make the laws.
Tony
Downunder
MK111
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Hague" <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: lawyers
>
> From what I understand, well written hold harmless agreements can be
> effective in preventing the person who signed it from bringing legal
> action against you, but it's not binding on his heirs, even if there is
> verbage to that effect on the paper... IOW if he crashes and dies you can
> still be sued by his wife and/or kids. However, I've also read that
> including a stipulation in the agreement that any disputes be settled by
> binding arbitration rather than the courts IS binding on the heirs... and
> arbitration by a group of people knowledgeable in the aviation world would
> likely go much better for the seller than a jury of people who've never
> seen an airplane smaller than a 737/
>
> -Dana
> --
> But it's NOT an ASSAULT Weapon, it's a DEFENSE weapon!
>
>
>
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Mike,
Good job on the HH. I too have been frivolously sued. It is no fun
and not cheap regardless of who "wins."
Thom in Buffalo
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Subject: | Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs |
Dennis,
As others have stated, the Viton tipped float valve is probably not sealing properly.
They do wear out in time and/or sometimes a tiny bit of debris can settle
between the float valve and seat. If you don't have one already, pay $10 for
a Bing Manual at
http://www.bingcarburetor.com/manual.html
and dig into the carbs (one at a time). If you have a few hundred hours or more
on these carbs, it is probably time to do an inspection, cleaning and selective
seal and parts replacement anyway.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
http://riddletr.googlepages.com/sportpilot-cfi
http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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Thanks Thom=2C
When I was sued=2C it wasn't so much as frivolous=2C as it was misdirecte
d. I was a concrete contractor=2C and used a very rarely used concrete sup
plier to pour a customer some flatwork.
The concrete was bad. People sued me=2C I settled. Then I sued the concre
te supplier. I won.
With regard to building and selling your home-built airplane=2C there is
way too much "hype"=2C fear factor=2C and lack of knowledge. There are all
kinds of myths that some people keep alive=2C but the simple truth is=2C b
eing sued for building a plane is incredibly rare. Sure=2C there's lots of
horror stories=2C but these are 99% BS. (again=2C we're referrring to pri
vate parties here=2C not commercial)
People should just relax=2C enjoy building and flying their Kolbs. When
the time comes to sell it=2C get a thorough Hold Harmless Agreement (notori
zed)=2C and rest easy.
Mike Welch
MkIII
> Date: Wed=2C 1 Apr 2009 07:54:47 -0400
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: lawyers
> From: riddletr@gmail.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Mike=2C
>
> Good job on the HH. I too have been frivolously sued. It is no fun
> and not cheap regardless of who "wins."
>
> Thom in Buffalo
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Grant
Unfortunately, the lawyers saw that one coming long ago. You cannot
divest yourself of your assets at the last minute to get some
protection. Doesn't work.
Even with the best of evidence, defending yourself would be way too
expensive.
And arbitration is way better all around, than litigation. I've had
experience with the American Arbitration Ass'n; they're good and
work well. BUT like the court judges, they select the next persons
available, regardless of their knowledge or lack thereof, about the
subject at hand. Just take the next man /woman in line. Another flaw
in our system. So you could get a board that didn't know much about,
or even didn't like, aviation. Big crap-shoot. Bah!
On Mar 31, 2009, at 4:46 PM, grantr wrote:
> <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
>
> So I guess selling a car or motorcycle could result in the same crap.
>
> Ok say I sell my plane to someone and they take it home crash it
> and die. Now the family hires a lawyer to sue me for selling them
> an unsafe aircraft. They would probably say I willingly sold the
> person an aircraft that I knew was not safe to fly.
>
> What if i had a video of the demo flight performed by me and the
> guy on tape reading and agreeing to the hold harmless form.
>
> Would that be good evidence?
>
> And to protect my financial assets what if upon receipt of the
> notice of the pending lawsuit, I moved all of my assets over to my
> wife's name that way i did not own a dime?
>
> Cant be sued if you don't have anything right?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237094#237094
>
>
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Subject: | Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs |
Thom and Mike both have good points.
A little wear on the needle valve attached to the floats to shut off the fuel,
plus maybe more vibration at 5100 in your particular plane (for whatever reason
i.e. prop or carb balance) and running an electric pump in series verse parallel
could all add up to fuel bypassing the needle valve shut off in the carb
and puking out the tube and or air intake.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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At 09:19 AM 4/1/2009, russ kinne wrote:
>...I've had
>experience with the American Arbitration Ass'n; they're good and
>work well. BUT like the court judges, they select the next persons
>available, regardless of their knowledge or lack thereof, about the
>subject at hand. Just take the next man /woman in line. Another flaw
>in our system. So you could get a board that didn't know much about,
>or even didn't like, aviation...
Seems one could specify in the hold harmless agreement that any arbitration
would by individuals involved in the aviation industry; that's what I
recall seeing suggested when I read about it some time ago. Granted I know
nothing about the process.
-Dana
do not archive
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Help Wanted: Telepath. You know where to apply.
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Subject: | Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs |
Thanks to the 912 guys who responded to my question with good advice!
Gary A. - I think you are right ... the likely culprit is my electric
fuel pump pushing too much gas thru the carbs. I will try flying with
the electric Facet "off" and see what happens. I may also consider
plumbing my auxiliary fuel pump in parallel rather than in series, like
it is now.
Lucien - Good idea to look inside the float bowls - see if I have any
stuck floats or bent pins.
Mike B. - Again, good tips about a potential overpressure from the Facet
pump, as well as a possible stuck float.
I'll address each of these ideas one at a time, and report back to the
List when I discover the fix.
Dennis Kirby
Cedar Crest, New Mexico
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Subject: | Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
This subject has been broached before but I thought it might be worth noting again.
Some Kolbers have been searching for a transparent gascolator with drain
valve. I found one which you can see here.
http://www.rotaxparts.net/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=690
I know nothing about it but what is said in the ad.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
http://riddletr.googlepages.com/sportpilot-cfi
http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
- Racor has been around for a long time.- Back in the early '70's, the
company I worked for had bought a bunch of VW Rabbit diesels, and they were
equiped with these to get the water out.- Worked very well with diesel.
-- The last company I worked for had trouble with water in the diesel,
and we acquired what we referred to as "plastic tampons".- They were abou
t an inch in diameter and 6 inches long, and had an exterior plastic cage w
ith a mesh screen inside.- In that was some dessicant crystals that would
expand as water was absorbed.- When the cage was full, we would replace.
- I think they could be dried, but I'd be real careful with gas.- These
had a string to tie them to the gas cap.- I believe they were inexpensiv
e, and I know they worked great- especially on yard equipment that was not
fueled very often.- Seems like these would be ideal for aircraft.
-
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-------------------- Bill Sullivan
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-------------------- Windsor Locks,
ct.
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Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
williamtsullivan(at)att.n wrote:
> < < > > Seems like these would be ideal for aircraft.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, ct.
>
Some caution...... Might be a similar issue as the "Mr Funnel" filters for those
aircraft using pre-mix. (Over time loses the ability to trap water out of
fuel.)
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
- George- Not the same as the MR funnel.- This catridge has dessicant c
rystals in it- kind of very large off-white salt looking.- They expand un
til they fill the tube, and then you replace.- Very easy to check the sta
tus- it starts out as 1/4 full, and they expand to fill it.- You just tie
off the string and drop it in.- Worked great, but I have no idea of the
supplier or the cost.- I seem to remember they were cheap.- Maybe avail
able through truck stops, or we might have got them from Jack Young and Co.
in Allston, Mass.- Young was our supplier.
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-- Bill Sullivan
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-- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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Subject: | Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
Hi Richard,
Thank's for your advice, there is a pod (deployment bag) the surface (area)
is 62 square/meter (670sq.ft) see the picture joined (mine is PD57 CR).
*Via google from italian to english:
"The product range includes emergencies PARADELTA for free flight (gliding
and paragliding) and for single-seater ultra-light aircraft and two-seater
capable of satisfying the most varied needs."*
http://www.paradelta.it/nuovosito/prodotti/sportivi/emergenze.htm
I used to fly glider always with chute (required in French country), and
hang-glider too, and the balistic chute is the price of the UL....Then this
is my choice.
At the beginning of my participation to this group I ask about the known
issue with the frame and Dana answer me there is no issue, if you fly in the
enveloppe, and the maintenance is good.
Ultrastar is well born, thank's to Holmer Kolb.
Thank's again to John and Jim to give us such testimony.
I am very proud to fly this Ultralight and to be a part of your community.
Jean
2009/3/28 Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
> Jean, To brothers Jim and John's advice, I would add this.Before you do
> anything, take your parachute to a certified rigger and have it evaluated
> for your purpose. Make sure your parachute has a deployment bag. There were
> reserve parachutes manufactured without one. A deployment bag is essential
> to make sure the chute doesn't get snagged on wreckage.
> Parachutes are sized by the sphere they fit over, not by their area. Many
> hand deployed parachutes are woefully under sized for the load they will be
> expected to get to the ground at a survivable descent rate.
> In my case I got the first thing right, I got the chute out and I lived.
> The second is what got me. When the rigger I took the chute to looked it
> over he said it wasn't large enough to bring me down alone, much less adding
> 80 lb. of hang glider and harness. My chute was a 26' with an area of 360
> sq. ft. The parachute I fly with now, and have for the last 29 years, is
> also a 26', but it has 540 sq. ft. of area.
> The first step in a deployment situation is to look for a path through the
> wreckage and throw the parachute there. Don't worry so much about which hand
> you use, you must get the 'chute out into clear air. Jim is right about the
> 'chute not having or needing a pilot 'chute. Because of this, the inertia of
> the chute after you throw it is all the energy available for popping it out
> of its deployment bag. Anything that impedes the chute from getting to the
> end of its bridle line takes away from that energy. Even though I threw it
> out of the wreckage and saw it go to the end of the bridle line, mine did
> not come out of the deployment bag until a wing of the now spinning glider
> caught the bridle line and jerked the chute out. From 800 feet I got at
> least six turns before deployment. There was just enough time to get line
> stretch, realize I was coming down far too fast and wham. Spent six weeks in
> a back brace and eventually ended up an inch shorter when the disk between
> the two damaged vertebra dissolved and the disks fused. No fun at all.
>
> Rick
> do not archive
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:49 AM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I doubt anybody on the Kolb List is using a hand deployed parachute.
>> When I got mine, 1984, ballistic recovery systems were extremely new, and my
>> poor budget would not allow me to have one. It took extra time to get into
>> the parachute harness, was cumbersome getting in and out of the airplane
>> with it on, difficult to get the seat belt and shoulder harness connected,
>> and finally, the weight of the parachute was always on top of my legs. I
>> often dreamed of the ease of getting in and out of an airplane equipped with
>> a ballistic parachute. So much easier to get in, buckle up, and take off.
>> However, my desire to fly was so great, I never complained about the hours
>> that Jim Handbury hand deployed parachute rode in my lap.
>>
>> Brother Jim is correct. I could best grasp the handle on top of the pack
>> tray with both hands, snatch the deployment bag out of the pack tray, then
>> throw it out, down and to the left, with both hands. I am right handed. A
>> left hander will probably be able to do a better job of tossing out the
>> deployment bag down and to the right.
>>
>> October 1985, I flew to Florida so Brother Jim could repack my parachute.
>> Before we opened it up, Jim asked me if I had ever practiced deploying it.
>> I had not. He told me to put it on, sit down on the ac unit beside the
>> house, and throw it. I did. Seven days later the parachute saved my life.
>>
>> john h
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- You throw it forehand, across your lap? I would have thought you'd
>> throw it down on the side of the arm you're using.
>>
>>
>> -Dana
>>
>>
>> ==== get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List tp://
>> forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Jean
Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse!
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Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
williamtsullivan(at)att.n wrote:
> George- Not the same as the MR funnel. This catridge has dessicant crystals
in it- kind of very large off-white salt looking. < < > >
>
Bill:
Didn't mean to imply that it was like a Mr. Funnel from a content/chemistry standpoint....
the issue that should be considered is whether or not a fuel/oil mix
going through the device affects its ability to accomplish the design purpose
(separate/trap/filter the water). The quick scan that I did on the info doesn't
mention fuel/oil mix..... just fuel.
That's all. Just a thought. May not even be worth $.02!
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
- Goerge- From what I have seen, it ought to work.- The unit just sits
on the bottom of the tank, absorbing water.- If it works in diesel, gas/o
il shouldnb't be a problem.- I know it works with a diesel stand-pipe, so
a top feed tank won't be bothered.- For a bottom feed, it wouldn't block
it either.- The only questions that come to mind are if it would work wi
th gas; or if it moves around enough to hit and break a stand-pipe in aircr
aft service.- Maybe John H.- or somebody else who has been around a farm-
has more knowledge than I do.- I can say that the units worked as advert
ised, could be visually inspected, and did not bother the fuel feeds on any
of the trucks or farm tractors.- This is not an in-line filter, it just
lays on the bottom of the tank.
- If it looks interesting to anyone, I can call my old employer and see i
f they remember the source and cost.
-
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------------------------ Bi
ll Sullivan
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------------------------ Wi
ndsor Locks, Ct.
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Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
At 01:53 PM 4/1/2009, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
>This subject has been broached before but I thought it might be worth
>noting again. Some Kolbers have been searching for a transparent
>gascolator with drain valve. I found one which you can see here.
>
>http://www.rotaxparts.net/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=690
Not a small (or inexpensive) thing. A bit large for my UltraStar.
A subject of current personal interest to me, since it was my friends who
were badly injured in the MKIII crash last fall due to water in the fuel
(the plane had no sump or gascolator). It just so happens that I'm making
a simple small gascolator right now, with a clear bowl, drain valve, two
inlets, and no filter (I have a separate fuel filter in the line). Once
it's done I'll post more information on it.
-Dana
--
When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced...
Live your life so that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice.
-- Cherokee saying
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Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
The best way to remove water from an aircraft fuel system is a gascolator. General
aviation aircraft have been flying for better than 70 years using gascolators.
I would not be anxious to try some limited use chemical way of removing
water from my Kolb. I just drain the gascolator at the low point of my fuel
system before each flight to check for water, as aviators have been successfully
doing for decades. I most definitely would not put something in the fuel
system line that could become clogged. There is no need for the gascolator
to be clear either, I see the gas when it drains out, and see what comes out,
again the same as a Cessna and most certified airplanes. You can get a gascolator
at Aircraft Spruce for around 70 bucks.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/acsgascolator.php
Make sure you order the Auto Gas compatible gasket for it if you buy it, the one
that comes installed is for Avgas only and will swell with auto fuel. Thats
an extra 5 bucks....
Mike
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have !!!
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Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
Dana- This gadget we have been discussing only weighs about 2 ounces, empty
and dry.- Full (of water) it probably has absorbed maybe 6 ounces.
- How are your friends doing?
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Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
At 05:58 PM 4/1/2009, william sullivan wrote:
>Dana- This gadget we have been discussing only weighs about 2 ounces,
>empty and dry. Full (of water) it probably has absorbed maybe 6 ounces.
> How are your friends doing?
They're OK... Bob's walking with a cane but still needs some surgery, I
think, and Dave's pretty much healed.
-Dana
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Live your life so that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice.
-- Cherokee saying
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Subject: | Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs |
To all,
=C2- Just a little trick for flooding problems.If a piece of debris gets s
tuck in the seat and is held there by the pressure exerted on the needle by
higher than normal fuel level,,just clamp off the fuel line and let the engi
ne run until it is ready to quit.You can usually tell when it leans out and
picks up a few RPM.Now the fuel bowl is near empty,but of more importance, t
he needle has dropped clear of the seat,and by releasing the clamp, a rush o
f fuel will clear the debris out of the seat and off the needle.Like Beaufor
d says,worth what ye paid for it.
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- G Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200A Bing 64CV
-----Original Message-----
From: Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Sent: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:43 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs
Thanks to the 912 guys who responded to my question with
good advice!
=C2-
Gary A. =93 I think you are right the likely
culprit is my electric fuel pump pushing too much gas thru the carbs.=C2-
I
will try flying with the electric Facet =9Coff=9D and see what
happens.=C2- I may also consider plumbing my auxiliary fuel pump in parall
el
rather than in series, like it is now.
=C2-
Lucien =93 Good idea to look inside the float bowls =93
see if I have any stuc
k floats or bent pins.
=C2-
Mike B. =93 Again, good tips about a potential
overpressure from the Facet pump, as well as a possible stuck float.
=C2-
I=99ll address each of these ideas one at a time, and
report back to the List when I discover the fix.
=C2-
Dennis Kirby
Cedar Crest, New Mexico
0 -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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Subject: | Re: fuel flow meter |
I put the MK3xtra on hold for a while I am about to get back into it now
the guy that had my old firestar couldn't fly without getting air sick and
sold
it to someone else in MN and I haven't heard from him in a while but he had
damaged a wing tip the last I knew I dont know if he was capable of the
repair or not
Ellery building Mk3Xtra
In a message dated 3/31/2009 2:03:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
planecrazzzy@yahoo.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Ellery,
You should be just about done with the Mark III X by now.
I don't hang around here... So I haven't noticed if you've posted
progress....
Don't know if you heard... But the guy you made the trade with...
Can't fly... either he gets air sick.... or he got scared...Don't know.
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" the Flying Dog
.
Building Wittman- Buttercup
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Subject: | Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Kolb-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
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PLEASE READ. This document contains Kolb-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Kolb-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Kolb-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
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There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
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Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
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Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
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Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
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are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
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And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
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BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
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Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "kolb-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
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* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
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the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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at the following location:
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for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
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caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
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Please forward this information to the following email address:
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
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Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kolb-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
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The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kolb-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kolb-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kolb-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kolb-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kolb-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Kolb-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kolb
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
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Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
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Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
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You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
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The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
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- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
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- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
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