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1. 05:54 AM - Re: Fear of Liability (russ kinne)
2. 07:46 AM - non-transparent gascolator (Mike Welch)
3. 08:35 AM - Re: Fear of Liability (DAquaNut@aol.com)
4. 08:56 AM - Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve (Dave Kulp)
5. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve (Dana Hague)
6. 09:39 AM - Re: non-transparent gascolator (JetPilot)
7. 10:33 AM - Re: non-transparent gascolator (Larry Cottrell)
8. 02:02 PM - Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve (henry.voris)
9. 02:58 PM - Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve (william sullivan)
10. 04:34 PM - Re: Douglas Fly-In slideshow/video (JetPilot)
11. 08:04 PM - Kolb markll (K I)
12. 08:35 PM - Re: Kolb markll (Larry Cottrell)
13. 08:54 PM - Re: Kolb markll (robert bean)
14. 09:52 PM - Re: Kolb markll (JetPilot)
15. 09:57 PM - Re: Maule SFS-P8A tail wheel on Kolb... (JetPilot)
16. 10:01 PM - Re: Wandering Wench is on her way (JetPilot)
17. 10:54 PM - Re: Kolb markll (jerb)
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| Subject: | Re: Fear of Liability |
All this talk about product liability -- remember Thuman Munson ? He
bought a Cessna Citation 501, and was killed in it.
As I recall Cessna had to pay his estate 22 million!
The Citation is a well-proven design, it certainly was NOT Cessna's
fault -- but they still had to pay.
The lawyers always go after the deepest pockets they can find (we
should be pretty safe!) and it becomes a contest to see which side
can find the hungriest lawyers.
A sorry state of affairs. What's happened to our country?
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| Subject: | non-transparent gascolator |
Mike B.
Dana did a very good job building his fuel drain block. (although is isn
't quite a gascolator=2C but in his case=2C doesn't need to be) I do have
the ability and the tools to copy his design=2C and have a block of aluminu
m that would be perfect for such a project. But......
I went to Aircraft Spruce=2C and looked for the $80 gascolator=2C like yo
u mentioned. I assume the "Usher Gascolator" is the one you were referring
to. Although it would be closer to a $100=2C after you add all the fittin
gs and the Saf Air drain valve=2C it still looks like a deal!
This Usher Gascolator appears to be a very high quality item=2C and I can
't imagine even trying to make a fuel block=2C when you can get one of thes
e for $80. I especially like the fact that it has a sediment bowl.
This gascolator subject is very timely for me=2C since my engine installa
tion is virtually finished=2C except for reinstalling my fuel tanks and gas
colator. My fuel lines are finished=2C and are simply waiting to be slid o
n and clamped tight. I will not be re-installing any of the drain system I
had.
I was looking for a decent gascolator system. Found one=2C thanks.
BTW=2C I know there is a lot of interest in having a clear sediment bowl.
But=2C to be honest=2C this isn't all that necessary. In your preflight
inspection=2C you should always drain your fuel sump (whatever design it is
) into your fuel checker flask. The flask gives you all the ability you ne
ed to see and remove what's coming out of the fuel lines. Being able to se
e the water in the sediment bowl isn't really necessary=2C when you conside
r you CAN drain it into something you can see.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Fear of Liability |
In a message dated 4/4/2009 7:54:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
russ@rkiphoto.com writes:
A sorry state of affairs. What's happened to our country?
Can you spell GREED!!!!!
**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or
less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
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| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
Dana, does it make a difference (or preferable) whether the gascolator
is before or after the inline filter?
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
Firefly 098
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| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
At 12:41 AM 4/4/2009, JetPilot wrote:
>That is quite a nice rendering of your gascolator, what program did you
>use to make that picture ? That should be great, given that you check
>your plastic tanks anyways, you will probably never get more than a trace
>of water in your system. The biggest problem is, most f us don't have
>the materials and ability to make a gascolator...
The rendering was done in KeyCreator (formerly Cadkey, which I've been
using for years). This one is real simple to make, at its crudest just a
saw, drill press, and some drills and taps (though I admit I had a
machinist friend mill the sides to get them cleaner).
I actually started out intending to use a glass tube clamped between
endplates with o-rings, but that required a lathe which I don't have...
then I saw my friend had this bar of Lexan clamped on his Bridgeport...
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: non-transparent gascolator |
Mike,
Glad to hear you are making good progress on rebuilding your plane, that must mean
your recovery went very well also ! There are lots of good options for gascolators
out there, its just important that you have one. In my MK III, I have
the gascolator inside the fuselage, with just the drain sticking out the bottom
of the fuselage, so I could not see it even if it was clear ! Its cool
though, I have the quick drain just like a real Cessna :) I do drain into a
clear glass, so if there is anything in the fuel I will see it when I drain it
out.
I have my gascolator before my fuel filter, that way I can see and remove large
debris before it gets to the filter stage. The gascolator also has a screen
in it, so large stuff would never get to the filter and get drained out. Then
it goes on to the 10 micron filter that gets out even the smallest of particles.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: non-transparent gascolator |
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Welch
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:43 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: non-transparent gascolator
Mike B.
Dana did a very good job building his fuel drain block. (although
is isn't quite a gascolator, but in his case, doesn't need to be) I do
have the ability and the tools to copy his design, and have a block of
aluminum that would be perfect for such a project. But......
I find it interesting that you guys are going to all that trouble to
make? or buy a gascolator, especially one that will fit in a Kolb that
you can see through. I do have one that is drained out through the
bottom of the plane at the fuels lowest point, (in front of the filter)
from a Curtis Fuel Valve that I think cost me $16.00. A standard GA
application is drained into a standard collector with a clear body.
(even has a little screw driver on the end of it) Other than the cost of
the valve the rest only cost perhaps $6.00 at the most. Mine has been in
operation for at least two years with no problems or leaks. I got the
design from one by Rev Pike, posted on the list about two years ago, It
is made from 1 1/2 PVC. It takes a small piece of PVC and two caps to
make the body of the gascolator, two nylon 1/4 inch barbs with one
threaded end. The Curtis valve is also tapped and threaded into the
bottom which in my case goes through the bottom of the plane to allow me
to drain the gascolator or the fuel for that matter. The inlet and
outlet are installed in the top cap. The fuel goes in the top and the
water and sediment floats to the bottom of the gascolator. I have a
small plate mounted on the bottom of the cage that mine is clamped to in
an upright position, with the Curtis valve clamped to the bottom plate.
If you don't have a handy plate on the bottom of your plane, you can
install one with out too much trouble. all you would need to do is
measure the distance and diameter of two of the cross tubes on the
bottom. Make a plate with tabs that will fit on top of the tubes.
__ __
I I
I___________I
They can then either be riveted to the top of if your are reluctant to
drill a hole there, leave a small tab on each side that will allow you
to put a small hose clamp on the tabs over the tube.
You will need some taps for the nylon hose barbs and some thread
sealer.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
04apr09,
Bill,
Below is the URL to a thread from 07 about Mr. Funnel passing water & ethanol...
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140224&highlight=#140224
Putting desiccants in your tank if you have ethanol in your fuel seems a bit of
a waste. That is what the ethanol does. The pipeline companies run ethanol plugs
to separate types of products, it doesn't mix with petroleum and will pick
up any water left in the pipeline.
Once the alcohol glomms on to the water it takes a two-stage distillation process
with the addition of benzene to separate out the water.
How much water will ethanol soak up before suffering phase separation??? Depends
on temperature and the concentration of ethanol in the fuel. I have a chart
that shows that a 10% mix at 50 F. will suffer separation when the water reaches
0.2%... at 90 F. separation occurred when the water reaches 0.4%. A 20% mix
at 50 F. will separate at a concentration of 0.65% and 0.9% at 90 F. More ethanol
and higher temperatures allow the fuel to absorb more water before separating.
Less ethanol and lower temperatures are more dangerous. So the Rotax required
5% mix is more prone to separate than the 10% we get at the pump.
For my fuel...
I feed any unused fuel to my iron-head Harley...
I use Mr. Funnel to catch sticks, stones and rat turds...
There is a gasolator at the lowest point of my fuel circuit to deal with separation
issues.
And I can assure you, my advice is worth every penny you paid for it...
--------
Henry
Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
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| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
- Thank you, Henry, very informative.- For the actual amount of water i
nvolved with the ethanol, the dessicant cartridge looks like a wasted effor
t.- It was extremely helpful with the trucks, and also with the occassion
ally used farm equipment.- With the E-10, a gascolator and MR look like t
he best bet.
-
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---------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Douglas Fly-In slideshow/video |
Where have you been Crystal ? I havent seen a post from you for several weeks.
Have you been flying ? I have not flow my Kolb in well over a month, every
day I am in Miami, its very windy :( Today and tomorrow look perfect, and I am
up north flying airplanes that aren't as much fun as my Kolb...
I ran across this picture of a MK III like yours in flight, the elevator seems
to be very close to she same position as yours, so its probably normal. The big
wedge of the MK III Xtra tends to push the nose down a lot, so the elevator
is a lot more up during flight.
Mike
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Hello List=2C
I soon will be the owner of a Kolb Markll if everything turns out well. I h
ave not owned or flown a Kolb before. I however have been impressed with th
e Kolb for many years.
I am on the edge of =93pulling the trigger=94=2C (finalizing the deal) on a
Kolb Markll. I have some questions about the plane and the engine. Any adv
ice provided by the writers of this list will be taken very seriously.
First of all=2C the plane is registered and has an =93N=94 number. It was p
ut in a hanger in August of 2008 and not started or flown since. The engine
is a Hirth 2704 electric start single carburetor with a 3 blade prop. Acco
rding to the seller=2C it has been =93hard landed=94 once. This only bent t
he left wheel strut slightly. The strut has been replaced. The engine has 1
75 hours total hours.
Well=2C I know I=92m asking a lot of information on a plane =93sight unseen
=94. What should I look for as far as =93RED FLAGS=94=2C safety issues or p
otential costly problems?
Thank you for any advice provided=2C
Kurt
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The Hirth for one thing. Perhaps this engine is ok, but I have at least
one friend that has been through three of them and did not ever get one
that didn't set him down in the pucker brush. Not really willing to say
that the engine is no good, just be very critical and get it checked out
completely before you jump.
Larry C
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From: K I
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb markll
Hello List,
I soon will be the owner of a Kolb Markll if everything turns out
well. I have not owned or flown a Kolb before. I however have been
impressed with the Kolb for many years.
I am on the edge of =93pulling the trigger=94, (finalizing the deal)
on a Kolb Markll. I have some questions about the plane and the engine.
Any advice provided by the writers of this list will be taken very
seriously.
First of all, the plane is registered and has an =93N=94 number. It
was put in a hanger in August of 2008 and not started or flown since.
The engine is a Hirth 2704 electric start single carburetor with a 3
blade prop. According to the seller, it has been =93hard landed=94 once.
This only bent the left wheel strut slightly. The strut has been
replaced. The engine has 175 hours total hours.
Well, I know I=92m asking a lot of information on a plane =93sight
unseen=94. What should I look for as far as =93RED FLAGS=94, safety
issues or potential costly problems?
Thank you for any advice provided,
Kurt
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Look at it in person before writing a check. A positive is the owner
being honest enough to tell you
about a hard landing. Look for any bends in the little tubes welded
to the gear socket and slack fabric
on that side of the cage.
Look at the registration certificate and the airworthiness
certificate. They should be together.
Check the logbook for the most recent "condition inspection" and
whether done by the owner with
a repairman certificate or an A&P. Good logs are a plus.
I would want to witness the engine running with at least some
( tethered) full throttle.
BB
MkIII, suzuki
On 4, Apr 2009, at 11:03 PM, K I wrote:
> Hello List,
>
> I soon will be the owner of a Kolb Markll if everything turns out
> well. I have not owned or flown a Kolb before. I however have been
> impressed with the Kolb for many years.
>
> I am on the edge of =93pulling the trigger=94, (finalizing the deal)
on
> a Kolb Markll. I have some questions about the plane and the
> engine. Any advice provided by the writers of this list will be
> taken very seriously.
>
> First of all, the plane is registered and has an =93N=94 number. It
was
> put in a hanger in August of 2008 and not started or flown since.
> The engine is a Hirth 2704 electric start single carburetor with a
> 3 blade prop. According to the seller, it has been =93hard landed=94
> once. This only bent the left wheel strut slightly. The strut has
> been replaced. The engine has 175 hours total hours.
>
> Well, I know I=92m asking a lot of information on a plane =93sight
> unseen=94. What should I look for as far as =93RED FLAGS=94, safety
> issues or potential costly problems?
>
>
> Thank you for any advice provided,
>
> Kurt
>
>
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>
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Everything I have ever heard about Hirth engines is bad, very bad !!! I personally
would not buy a Hirth engine at any price. There are always good deals
on MK III 's out there, how much are you looking at spending ? Maybe waiting
for a MK III with a Rotax might be a better option.
In all fairness, we do have a guy here on the list that flys with a Hirth and likes
it. I personally think he has exceptional skills that most others do not
have to have kept that engine running good, and maybe a bit of luck also ;)
The Kolb is a great airplane, but make sure you get the right one. Don't rush
into getting an airplane that you will not be able to fly due to a poor engine
choice. Even a Kolb will not fly without a good engine.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Maule SFS-P8A tail wheel on Kolb... |
Rob,
Can you post pictures of yours !!! I think I get the idea, but I would like to
see exactly what you did. This is a good mod I would like to do sooner rather
than later.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Wandering Wench is on her way |
Be sure to click on the " Blog " link, Arty has a very good day to day narrative
of her flight along with pictures. I find myself looking at this every day
!
Mike
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have !!!
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Let the engine warm up (cylinder head temps)
before doing any full throttle runs.
jerb
At 10:51 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote:
>Look at it in person before writing a check. A
>positive is the owner being honest enough to tell you
>about a hard landing. Look for any bends in the
>little tubes welded to the gear socket and slack fabric
>on that side of the cage.
>Look at the registration certificate and the
>airworthiness certificate. They should be together.
>Check the logbook for the most recent "condition
>inspection" and whether done by the owner with
>a repairman certificate or an A&P. Good logs are a plus.
>
>I would want to witness the engine running with
>at least some ( tethered) full throttle.
>BB
>MkIII, suzuki
>
>On 4, Apr 2009, at 11:03 PM, K I wrote:
>
>>Hello List,
>>
>>I soon will be the owner of a Kolb Markll if
>>everything turns out well. I have not owned or
>>flown a Kolb before. I however have been
>>impressed with the Kolb for many years.
>>
>>I am on the edge of pulling the trigger,
>>(finalizing the deal) on a Kolb Markll. I have
>>some questions about the plane and the engine.
>>Any advice provided by the writers of this list will be taken very seriously.
>>
>>First of all, the plane is registered and has
>>an N number. It was put in a hanger in August
>>of 2008 and not started or flown since. The
>>engine is a Hirth 2704 electric start single
>>carburetor with a 3 blade prop. According to
>>the seller, it has been hard landed once.
>>This only bent the left wheel strut slightly.
>>The strut has been replaced. The engine has 175 hours total hours.
>>
>>Well, I know Im asking a lot of information on
>>a plane sight unseen. What should I look for
>>as far as RED FLAGS, safety issues or potential costly problems?
>>
>>
>>Thank you for any advice provided,
>>
>>Kurt
>>
>>
>>
>>
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