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1. 12:12 AM - Yahoo! Auto Response (bczygan@yahoo.com)
2. 12:39 AM - 912 ULS starter (icrashrc)
3. 08:12 AM - saws (chris davis)
4. 08:51 AM - Re: saws (william sullivan)
5. 09:24 AM - Saws, or more specifically, cutting aluminum (Mike Welch)
6. 09:31 AM - Re: 912 ULS starter (JetPilot)
7. 09:35 AM - Re: Saws, or more specifically, cutting aluminum (Tom Longo)
8. 09:41 AM - Re: Yahoo! Auto Response (JetPilot)
9. 10:05 AM - Re: saws (Dana Hague)
10. 10:13 AM - Re: saws (zeprep251@aol.com)
11. 10:23 AM - Re: saws (Dennis Souder)
12. 10:38 AM - Re: Saws, or more specifically, cutting aluminum (George Myers)
13. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: 912 ULS starter (b young)
14. 11:48 AM - Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage (Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL)
15. 11:53 AM - Re: saws (dshepherd)
16. 01:47 PM - saws (chris davis)
17. 02:21 PM - Re: saws (Vic)
18. 07:22 PM - Super LED Light (Bob)
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Subject: | Yahoo! Auto Response |
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Has anyone measured the current draw of the Rotax 912 HD starter? I'm researching
battery options and i wasn't smart enough to check mine before we started disassembly.
Thanks,
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www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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Anybody ever used a chop saw for cutting- aluminum tubing or- is there
a reason against it ? Thanks Chris=0A=0A=0A
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- Chris-- I never used a chop saw for it, but I have used a table saw w
ith a carbide blade.- Very noisy and dangerous- chips flying, and the pie
ce can grab.- I use the miter guide and go through very slowly.- Hang o
n tight.- The chop saw should work, but be very careful- full face shield
, ear plugs, and hang on to the part.- Any chips with the table saw go qu
ite a ways, too.
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Subject: | Saws, or more specifically, cutting aluminum |
Chris=2C
Using a miter saw with a "toothed" blade is more than scary=2C it's the k
ind of thing that makes statistics. There is absolutely no SAFE way to do
it. The problem is the way the saw blade's teeth want to grab the edge of
the tubing once you've managed to break into the inner walls.
You CAN use the chop saw=2C but you have to use the carborundum blade=2C
made especially for cutting metal. These blades are completely circular=2C
and do not "catch" and shred the tube=2C like a toothed blade will.
My preference for cutting aluminum tubing is my Makita hand grinder=2C wi
th the 1/16" thick "cut off disc. This is relatively safe=2C and very fast
=2C when compared to a hack saw or jigsaw.
The cheapo discs last very little. The brand name discs last a long time.
You WILL get what you pay for!!! (Harbor Freight sells 10-packs for a few
bucks. For the same price=2C you can buy 3 decent brand name discs that w
ill outlast the 10-pack.)
Since we are on the subject of cutting metal=2C never=2C never=2C never (
!!!) cut this stuff without ear protection. Take it from a deaf basturd=2C
who's listened to Skil Saws whine for decades=2C these tools will take the
ir toll on your hearing!! My hearing is about 40% of what is was when I wa
s younger.
While we are at it. Eye protection. Same as hearing!!!!! Never cut an
y metal without decent eye protection. Last year=2C I had to go to an eye
doctor=2C and have a metal sliver removed from my eyeball!! After 3+ weeks
of the agony=2C I faced the music and got it removed. I was hoping it wou
ld come out on it's own........nope! (I had to this 35 years ago=2C but it
was a wood splinter back then.)
I thought my glasses were good enough. They weren't.
Here on the Kolb list=2C we want to always use protection!!
Mike Welch
MkIII
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Subject: | Re: 912 ULS starter |
I have an 18 Amp Hour battery in my Kolb that has been starting my 912-S for 3
years without a problem. I live in Florida, so I cant tell you weather it would
work in cold weather or not.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Subject: | Saws, or more specifically, cutting aluminum |
Put a plywood (fine tooth) blade in backwards and it works great for that.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Welch
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:24 PM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Saws, or more specifically, cutting aluminum
Chris,
Using a miter saw with a "toothed" blade is more than scary, it's the
kind of thing that makes statistics. There is absolutely no SAFE way to do
it. The problem is the way the saw blade's teeth want to grab the edge of
the tubing once you've managed to break into the inner walls.
You CAN use the chop saw, but you have to use the carborundum blade,
made especially for cutting metal. These blades are completely circular,
and do not "catch" and shred the tube, like a toothed blade will.
My preference for cutting aluminum tubing is my Makita hand grinder,
with the 1/16" thick "cut off disc. This is relatively safe, and very fast,
when compared to a hack saw or jigsaw.
The cheapo discs last very little. The brand name discs last a long time.
You WILL get what you pay for!!! (Harbor Freight sells 10-packs for a few
bucks. For the same price, you can buy 3 decent brand name discs that will
outlast the 10-pack.)
Since we are on the subject of cutting metal, never, never, never (!!!)
cut this stuff without ear protection. Take it from a deaf basturd, who's
listened to Skil Saws whine for decades, these tools will take their toll on
your hearing!! My hearing is about 40% of what is was when I was younger.
While we are at it. Eye protection. Same as hearing!!!!! Never cut
any metal without decent eye protection. Last year, I had to go to an eye
doctor, and have a metal sliver removed from my eyeball!! After 3+ weeks of
the agony, I faced the music and got it removed. I was hoping it would come
out on it's own........nope! (I had to this 35 years ago, but it was a wood
splinter back then.)
I thought my glasses were good enough. They weren't.
Here on the Kolb list, we want to always use protection!!
Mike Welch
MkIII
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Subject: | Re: Yahoo! Auto Response |
Can they offer me an EIS for my Rotax ???
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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At 11:11 AM 4/6/2009, chris davis wrote:
>Anybody ever used a chop saw for cutting aluminum tubing or is there a
>reason against it ? Thanks Chris
I did a lot of aluminum (tube and sheet) with my radial arm saw a couple of
years ago. I bought a blade specifically made for light metals and
plastic, which is used with stick wax. Messy and the metal you're cutting
gets REAL hot, but it works. You do need to push the saw into the work
rather than pulling it as you typically do with wood.
-Dana
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A small band saw worked well for me,used a very fine tooth blade.at fast speed.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: saws
At 11:11 AM 4/6/2009, chris davis wrote:
Anybody
ever used a chop saw for cutting? aluminum tubing or? is there
a reason against it ? Thanks Chris
I did a lot of aluminum (tube and sheet) with my radial arm saw a couple
of years ago.? I bought a blade specifically made for light metals
and plastic, which is used with stick wax.? Messy and the metal
you're cutting gets REAL hot, but it works.? You do need to push the
saw into the work rather than pulling it as you typically do with
wood.
-Dana
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Chris,
Using a powered miterbox saw was all we ever used at Old Kolb for cutting
aluminum tubing of all sizes . and tons of 5/16 x 035 for ribs.
We used a carbide blade with the most teeth per inch available.
I like to wear a leather glove on my left hand which did the tube holding
chore. Never had a problem - not to say you couldn't.
Of course, cut slowly and wear goggles as chips do fly everywhere.
I don't argue with those who think it too dangerous - but it has worked for
us.
Dennis
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris davis
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:12 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: saws
Anybody ever used a chop saw for cutting aluminum tubing or is there a
reason against it ? Thanks Chris
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Subject: | Saws, or more specifically, cutting aluminum |
Actually if you turn the blade around backwards it cuts all manner of metal
like butter. Use any old blade. Max Nix.
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Welch
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:24 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Saws, or more specifically, cutting aluminum
Chris,
Using a miter saw with a "toothed" blade is more than scary, it's the kind
of thing that makes statistics. There is absolutely no SAFE way to do it.
The problem is the way the saw blade's teeth want to grab the edge of the
tubing once you've managed to break into the inner walls.
You CAN use the chop saw, but you have to use the carborundum blade, made
especially for cutting metal. These blades are completely circular, and do
not "catch" and shred the tube, like a toothed blade will.
My preference for cutting aluminum tubing is my Makita hand grinder, with
the 1/16" thick "cut off disc. This is relatively safe, and very fast, when
compared to a hack saw or jigsaw.
The cheapo discs last very little. The brand name discs last a long time.
You WILL get what you pay for!!! (Harbor Freight sells 10-packs for a few
bucks. For the same price, you can buy 3 decent brand name discs that will
outlast the 10-pack.)
Since we are on the subject of cutting metal, never, never, never (!!!)
cut this stuff without ear protection. Take it from a deaf basturd, who's
listened to Skil Saws whine for decades, these tools will take their toll on
your hearing!! My hearing is about 40% of what is was when I was younger.
While we are at it. Eye protection. Same as hearing!!!!! Never cut any
metal without decent eye protection. Last year, I had to go to an eye
doctor, and have a metal sliver removed from my eyeball!! After 3+ weeks of
the agony, I faced the music and got it removed. I was hoping it would come
out on it's own........nope! (I had to this 35 years ago, but it was a wood
splinter back then.)
I thought my glasses were good enough. They weren't.
Here on the Kolb list, we want to always use protection!!
Mike Welch
MkIII
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Subject: | Re: 912 ULS starter |
I have an 18 Amp Hour battery in my Kolb that has been starting my 912-S for
3 years without a problem. I live in Florida, so I cant tell you weather it
would work in cold weather or not.
Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
I have a 18 amp hour that starts the 912 in 20 deg temps.
Boyd
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Subject: | Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage |
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"Thom Riddle" wrote: << If you land hard enough to bend a leg there is
a fair chance there is other hidden damage. >>
Thom -
I must respectfully disagree with your statement, if you are referring
to Kolb airplanes.
As much as I hate to repeat this story (due to my damaged pride), here
is my experience. On the maiden flight of my Mark-3 in 2002, I pancaked
my airplane onto the runway (paved) on my very first landing. With no
experience in such a light, low-inertia aircraft, I performed the
classic got-too-slow stall after I pulled the power to idle on short
final, and dropped it in from 8 feet. Airspeed dropped off very
quickly, and I was still too high. I bent both gear legs, one of them
so severely that gear leg was bent into the shape of a "U" and the
bottom of the bend scraped on the runway! Very embarrassing.
(Side note - after that little incident, I went and got proper Kolb
training from Norm Labhart in the new Mark-3 Xtra demonstrator, at TNK
in London. A weekend of money and time well spent!)
I installed a new pair of gear legs, and all was well again with my
aircraft. These are the stock aluminum gear legs. No other damage
whatsoever to my cage. This speaks volumes about the structural
integrity and excellence of Homer's design - the gear legs bent but the
(expensive) steel cage remained completely undamaged. Like the fuse
that blows to protect the electrical system, the aluminum gear legs
saved the rest of my airplane from any damage.
Of course, Thom, if you are referring to lesser quality aircraft than
our Kolbs, then I take no issue with your statement!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, 912ul,
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Thank you guys for your responce to my Saws question ! Iwent to sears today
and looked at the mitersaws and knowing myself I bought a new 10 inch band
saw it was about the same price and I have experence with a band saw and k
now that you can cut yourself with one and back out mayme loosing a finger
but with a chopsaw I can see me "in the condition Im in and as halfassed as
-I am I might just chop off my whole hand . so thats why I bought the ban
d saw . I will let you know how it goes Thank Chris=0A=0A=0A
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Chris,
Use a nonferrous blade, cut on the pull stroke, hold it firmly or
clamped and make sure you use
a backing board. A glove would'nt hurt incase you forget one of these
suggestions.
Alway use a firm slow cut.
I cut from 5/16 tube to 3" angle, did the whole plane. You can even use
a bandsaw- with cut oil.
Tiny stuff is most unstable.
Vic
Ex carpenter 30Yrs
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To anyone considering strobes for their Kolb you may want to look at
Whelens new Vertex Super-LED Light. We had a rep at my work last
week and he showed us these new super LED lights and they were
definitely bright. All self contained and very low current draw as you
would expect from LEDs. You can choose from multiple flash patterns
just by momentarily touching one wire to B+ to cycle through the different
flash patterns. These look like they could be perfect wing tip strobes.You
can
buy a chrome bezel to go around the light which finishes them off nicely.
You
can check them out at whelen.com just to the right of the new product arrow.
Bob
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