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1. 04:04 AM - Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve (Dana Hague)
2. 05:31 AM - Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage (Thom Riddle)
3. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage (Dennis Souder)
4. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage (John Hauck)
5. 07:34 AM - Sun and Fun 2009 (John Hauck)
6. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
7. 08:52 AM - MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (mccarthy)
8. 09:04 AM - Re: Super LED Light (FlyColt45@aol.com)
9. 09:28 AM - Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (John Hauck)
10. 09:43 AM - Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (lucien)
11. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (John Hauck)
12. 10:19 AM - Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (lucien)
13. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (John Hauck)
14. 11:04 AM - Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (lucien)
15. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (John Hauck)
16. 11:38 AM - Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (kirkds)
17. 01:49 PM - Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (lucien)
18. 03:29 PM - Re: Sun and Fun 2009 (cspoke)
19. 03:47 PM - Back to gascolators (Dave Kulp)
20. 04:02 PM - Re: Back to gascolators (Dana Hague)
21. 05:13 PM - Re: Sun and Fun 2009 (N111KX (Kip))
22. 06:43 PM - A Truly Classic Statement by Dennis Souder (jerb)
23. 06:51 PM - A Truly Classic Statement by Dennis Souder (jerb)
24. 06:52 PM - Re: Sun and Fun 2009 (icrashrc)
25. 06:54 PM - Re: 912 ULS starter (icrashrc)
26. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: 912 ULS starter (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
At 11:55 AM 4/4/2009, Dave Kulp wrote:
>Dana, does it make a difference (or preferable) whether the gascolator is
>before or after the inline filter?
I'm putting it before the inline filter, so that if it _does_ trap any
sediment, I'll see it. Also I'm adding a coarse (170 micron) screen to the
gascolator outlet to catch any large debris before it gets to the primary
filter.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage |
Dennis,
You are absolutely correct.... if the gear legs are standard Kolb aluminum, but
if they are heat treated 4130 tubing, not necessarily so. I don't recall if the
original post even said which type of gear leg was on the subject Kolb.
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| Subject: | Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage |
There is only one caveat to add to these basically correct observations.
The standard aluminum gear leg must fully insert into the A-frame tubing.
If a gear leg is too short or not correctly inserted. If, for what ever
reason, the end of the gear leg is not fully inserted, it could bend the
A-frame tube. This has happened with some FireStars where the end of the
alum leg was only about halfway inserted into the frame tube.
I, like, Dennis Kirby, once landed a TwinStar so hard that it bent both gear
legs up to where the wheels hardly touched the ground. It was a beautifully
flying evening and I think I must have been daydreaming about something else
and not paying attention to my flying chores; all of a sudden I saw the
horizon moving very quickly upward. I added full throttle instantly, but
too late and I hit the ground very hard - but not hard enough to stick. I
bounced back into the air and was flying again with both gear bent way up.
I did a "belly" landing and all was well except the gear legs and my pride.
I didn't add the worst part yet: I was taking a bunch of kids for rides that
evening and this was the last. I had a 6 year old girl with me. The father
- a jet fighter pilot was watching the whole thing. He was very gracious and
praised my "wheels up" landing. But I was absolutely blown away by my
inattention and carelessness, esp given the payload I had aboard.
Too old too soon -too smart to late Dennis
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Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage
Dennis,
You are absolutely correct.... if the gear legs are standard Kolb aluminum,
but if they are heat treated 4130 tubing, not necessarily so. I don't recall
if the original post even said which type of gear leg was on the subject
Kolb.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
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| Subject: | Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage |
> I, like, Dennis Kirby, once landed a TwinStar so hard that it bent both
gear
> legs up to where the wheels hardly touched the ground.
>
> Too old too soon -too smart to late Dennis
First time I heard about that one, Dennis. ;-)
Reminded me of a bad landing on Grand Island, NY, 1988, in my Fire Star.
Back then they were Fire Stars, not original Fire Stars. Plans called for
gear legs to be inserted half way into the sockets, secured by a 1/4" bolt.
After flying over Niagra Falls for the first time, had already flown across
Grand Island and was half way across the Niagra River north of Buffalo, NY,
when a fine wire NGK plug electrode seperated, all but shutting down the 447
completely. Wind favored returning to Grand Island, and away I went, mostly
down. Was setting up to land on the Interstate Highway right of way, but
changed my mind, too late, and tried to put it across the fence off the
right of way. Got behind on my flying chores, stalled it high, got a
serious case of "Kolb Quit", bent both gear legs (had 1" X .090" heat
treated 4130 legs), the left left shearing the gear leg socket. Had I
remained totally focused on the first place I picked out, the forced landing
would have been successful, I could have changed spark plugs, and been on my
way. Wish I had. ;-)
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Sun and Fun 2009 |
Morning Gang:
Sun and Fun 2009 is two weeks away. Had about decided not to fly down, but
got up this morning and decided I would like to fly down and sleep under the
stars a few nights. Mainly, I'm looking forward to spending time with
Travis and Dennis, and all my old friends from previous flyins. Hope the
weather will be great for the entire week.
I have not flown much since last September. Doesn't take long for me to get
rusty. It is about a 5 hour flight one way. This will help me confirm what
I need to do to get ready for my flight to Monument Valley in May. The more
one does it, the better they get at it. One wants to travel as light as
possible, but have everything one needs to make the flight comfortable.
See you all at Lakeland.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage |
In a message dated 4/7/2009 9:30:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
flykolb@pa.net writes:
Too old too soon -too smart to late Dennis
Hi Dennis,
I was born and raised close to the Pennsylvania Dutch Land area
(Cochranville, PA), but now live in South Jersey. I always heard it said as:
To soon
oldt, to late schmart. Either way it is so true!
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
I'm a long time reader of the list, and would love to fly out to MV to meet
the group, and see the area, but have way too many hurdles to jump to be
possible. I live 70 miles south of Oshkosh, WI, have no "real" cross
country time, no mountain experience, and a very unpredictable work
schedule. I have a original Firestar, but just for flying around the area,
and have a Zenith 601HD 912ul for getting around. The Zenith cruises just
fine between 80-100MPH, with a 3 hour duration, but can't land where a Kolb
can.
First off, for flight planning, should I would fly to Albuquerque and then
up to MV to avoid the higher elevations? Secondly, is anyone from the upper
Midwest considering this trip? I believe there is courage, knowledge, and
strength in numbers.
In summary, this will probably just have to stay on my wish list, but I am
one of those who enjoys the planning as much as the trip.
Tom McCarthy
Firestar N441TM
Zenith 601HD N514TM
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| Subject: | Re: Super LED Light |
Bob & all,
Also Check out Kuntzleman Electronics. I have Dick's his LED Navs, Strobes
& Landing lights. Might save a few bucks over other manufacturers.
{Like the Insurance company's that advertises motorcycle ins by showing that
their rep's ride their bikes to work -- Dick has built more Kolb's than
most people (still has his Sun & Fun "Best Craftsmanship award winning Kolb MK
II), and has been making electronics for Kolbs since the beginning}
Jim Cote
PA/FL
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In a message dated 4/6/2009 10:23:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rcarillon@neo.rr.com writes:
To anyone considering strobes for their Kolb you may want to look at
Whelens new Vertex Super-LED Light. We had a rep at my work last
week and he showed us these new super LED lights and they were
definitely bright. All self contained and very low current draw as you
would expect from LEDs. You can choose from multiple flash patterns
just by momentarily touching one wire to B+ to cycle through the different
flash patterns. These look like they could be perfect wing tip strobes.You
can
buy a chrome bezel to go around the light which finishes them off nicely.
You
can check them out at whelen.com just to the right of the new product arrow.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
> I'm a long time reader of the list, and would love to fly out to MV to
> meet
> the group, and see the area, but have way too many hurdles to jump to be
> possible. I live 70 miles south of Oshkosh, WI, have no "real" cross
> country time, no mountain experience, and a very unpredictable work
> schedule. I have a original Firestar, but just for flying around the
> area,
> and have a Zenith 601HD 912ul for getting around. The Zenith cruises just
> fine between 80-100MPH, with a 3 hour duration, but can't land where a
> Kolb
> can.
> First off, for flight planning, should I would fly to Albuquerque and then
> up to MV to avoid the higher elevations? Secondly, is anyone from the
> upper
> Midwest considering this trip? I believe there is courage, knowledge, and
> strength in numbers.
> In summary, this will probably just have to stay on my wish list, but I am
> one of those who enjoys the planning as much as the trip.
>
> Tom McCarthy
> Firestar N441TM
> Zenith 601HD N514TM
Tom Mc:
It's about 1200 statute miles from your home to MV, straight line distance.
With good wind and weather, you could make that in two days, 2.5 at the
most.
Looking at the map, I'd fly direct to Denver area. From there either follow
the I-70W over the pass, about 10,000 feet, then south to Moab, UT, and MV.
Or, fly direct to Pueblo, CO, then south to pick up highway 160W to the Four
Corners area, then direct to MV.
Long cross country flights are a lot of short legs combined, one leg at a
time. If you can fly a good 1.5 hour leg, you can fly anywhere you want to
go.
For those that thrive on long cross country flights in very small aircraft,
especially Kolbs, this type flying is addictive. I was lucky to find a
friend that had that same desire, same flying style, and a lot of free time
to accomplish the flights.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
mccarthy(at)jefnet.com wrote:
> I'm a long time reader of the list, and would love to fly out to MV to meet
> the group, and see the area, but have way too many hurdles to jump to be
> possible. I live 70 miles south of Oshkosh, WI, have no "real" cross
> country time, no mountain experience, and a very unpredictable work
> schedule. I have a original Firestar, but just for flying around the area,
> and have a Zenith 601HD 912ul for getting around. The Zenith cruises just
> fine between 80-100MPH, with a 3 hour duration, but can't land where a Kolb
> can.
> First off, for flight planning, should I would fly to Albuquerque and then
> up to MV to avoid the higher elevations? Secondly, is anyone from the upper
> Midwest considering this trip? I believe there is courage, knowledge, and
> strength in numbers.
> In summary, this will probably just have to stay on my wish list, but I am
> one of those who enjoys the planning as much as the trip.
>
> Tom McCarthy
> Firestar N441TM
> Zenith 601HD N514TM
Just FYI, I may not be able to make it. The new prop isn't working out as I've
expected so I may be down experimenting rather than flying for fun....
There may still be some others from my area going tho....
LS
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Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
> Just FYI, I may not be able to make it. The new prop isn't working out as
I've expected so I may be down experimenting rather than flying for fun....
> There may still be some others from my area going tho....
> --------
> LS
> Titan II SS
225 sm! You can fly that in on leg.
If you miss it, you will be sacrificing some good quality time with other
like minded Kolb folks you won't find any place else.
Don't miss the opportunity of a great get together so close to home.
There will be some of the original Monument Valley gang that have been to
every Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin, MV, UT, since the first one in 2003.
Again this year, we will miss several of our original gang that have gone on
the that big Kolb Flyin in the sky.
Looking forward to seeing Tom and Betty Kuffel again. They flew in for the
2003 flyin, were planning on returning in 2004, and also flying with me to
Alaska that same year. A little incident broke their Prospector
experimental, grounding them for a while. I think they will have their new
experimental flying soon.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> 225 sm! You can fly that in on leg.
>
> If you miss it, you will be sacrificing some good quality time with other
> like minded Kolb folks you won't find any place else.
>
> Don't miss the opportunity of a great get together so close to home.
>
> There will be some of the original Monument Valley gang that have been to
> every Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin, MV, UT, since the first one in 2003.
> Again this year, we will miss several of our original gang that have gone on
> the that big Kolb Flyin in the sky.
>
> Looking forward to seeing Tom and Betty Kuffel again. They flew in for the
> 2003 flyin, were planning on returning in 2004, and also flying with me to
> Alaska that same year. A little incident broke their Prospector
> experimental, grounding them for a while. I think they will have their new
> experimental flying soon.
>
> john h
> mkIII
Well I'm hoping I'll get my problem resolved by then. As-is, I'm not yet convinced
I have a safe situation for a long flight so I need to get it fixed first.
Just FYI, I have a prop harmonic that I'm still researching, a hard buzz in the
seat and a rotating low frequency hum. Last night I finally figured out it wasn't
acceptable - I hadn't flown for an extended period of time until last night
so didn't think it was a problem until I spent some time in the plane with
it. I was ready to land after a little more than half an hour.
I'm as close to convinced as I can be that it's NOT the fault of the prop or the
plane, but simply the two together. But a hard vibration isn't something I want
to let go unaddressed......
Next thing I'm going to do is take it off and check the balance just to be sure,
but an unbalanced WD right out of the factory is just not something I think
the guys at WD would allow to happen.
So I'll be a test pilot for a little while longer looks like......
LS
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Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
>
> So I'll be a test pilot for a little while longer looks like......
>
> LS
Make sure all three blades have as near pitch as possible. Usually, this
will be the primary reason for a vibration or harmonic in the airframe.
I believe the prop has a life time customer satisfaction guarantee. Work
with Daryl at WD.
I'm waiting on new blades for my prop. Hope they get here before time to
fly to Lakeland.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> Make sure all three blades have as near pitch as possible. Usually, this
> will be the primary reason for a vibration or harmonic in the airframe.
>
> I believe the prop has a life time customer satisfaction guarantee. Work
> with Daryl at WD.
>
> I'm waiting on new blades for my prop. Hope they get here before time to
> fly to Lakeland.
>
> john h
> mkIII
Yeah, I have the blades as pefectly pitched as I can get them with the protractor.
The tracking is less than 1/4" on all blades too....
I may have a go with the 4" extension which is what the IVO had on it. It's probably
unlikely an inch would make a difference but it might. I'm calling daryl
here in a bit to talk it over with him.
There're a couple other things to try too. So the experimenting shall continue
;).
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
> I may have a go with the 4" extension which is what the IVO had on it.
It's probably unlikely an inch would make a difference but it might. I'm
calling daryl here in a bit to talk it over with him.
>
> LS
I have had good luck with a 4" extension on the mkIII.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
Secondly, is anyone from the upper
> Midwest considering this trip? I believe there is courage, knowledge, and
> strength in numbers.
I considered it but too far for me.
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| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
>
> I have had good luck with a 4" extension on the mkIII.
>
> john h
> mkIII
Dale said the extra inch is almost guaranteed not to make a difference. Going down
in diameter is the next idea..... ugh.....
LS
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Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
I too am looking forward to spending time with all the Kolb gang at Sun n Fun.
I'll be there Friday and Saturday. Hope to see some of you then
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Craig Spoke
Mk 111 Xtra VW (in the works)
Lillian, AL
cspoke@gulftel.com
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| Subject: | Back to gascolators |
Folks,
I bought a nice used gascolator a few months back and it has what
appears to be a vacuum fitting on the top. Before I install it I need
to know the options/requirements re: the vacuum line? I.e., can it be
plugged or is it's use necessary for the gascolator to function properly?
Thanks
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
Firefly 098
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| Subject: | Re: Back to gascolators |
At 06:45 PM 4/7/2009, Dave Kulp wrote:
>I bought a nice used gascolator a few months back and it has what appears
>to be a vacuum fitting on the top. Before I install it I need to know the
>options/requirements re: the vacuum line? I.e., can it be plugged or is
>it's use necessary for the gascolator to function properly?
Vacuum doesn't seem likely... are you sure it's not a primer connection?
-Dana
--
Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check?
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
I'm watching the weather... :D
Kip
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Kip
Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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| Subject: | A Truly Classic Statement by Dennis Souder |
The following is a truly classic statement extracted from a post made by
our Dennis Souder, former Kolb Aircraft company owner. I' too have been
there, done that, but the best is the last few words below highlighted in blue.
jerb
"I must have been daydreaming about something else
and not paying attention to my flying chores; all of a sudden I saw the
horizon moving very quickly upward. I added full throttle instantly, but
too late and I hit the ground very hard - but not hard enough to stick."
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| Subject: | A Truly Classic Statement by Dennis Souder |
The following is a truly classic statement extracted from a post made by
our Dennis Souder, former Kolb Aircraft company owner. I' too have been
there, done that, but the best is the last few words below highlighted in blue.
jerb
"I must have been daydreaming about something else
and not paying attention to my flying chores; all of a sudden I saw the
horizon moving very quickly upward. I added full throttle instantly, but
too late and I hit the ground very hard - but not hard enough to stick."
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
Enjoy yourselves at S-n-F. Notre Dame is keeping me busy enough that i don't think
I'll make it.
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www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: 912 ULS starter |
Thanks for the info on the size battery you're using. I was hoping someone had
actually tested the amp draw of the starter while cranking. Not something one
would normally check but I've never been called 'normal'! [Laughing]
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| Subject: | Re: 912 ULS starter |
> Thanks for the info on the size battery you're using. I was hoping
someone had actually tested the amp draw of the starter while cranking. Not
something one would normally check but I've never been called 'normal'!
[Laughing]
>
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> Scott
Scott:
This is the battery I use in my mkIII and 912ULS:
http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc545.htm
john h
mkIII
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