---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/07/09: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:04 AM - Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve (Dana Hague) 2. 05:31 AM - Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage (Thom Riddle) 3. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage (Dennis Souder) 4. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage (John Hauck) 5. 07:34 AM - Sun and Fun 2009 (John Hauck) 6. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 7. 08:52 AM - MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (mccarthy) 8. 09:04 AM - Re: Super LED Light (FlyColt45@aol.com) 9. 09:28 AM - Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (John Hauck) 10. 09:43 AM - Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (lucien) 11. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (John Hauck) 12. 10:19 AM - Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (lucien) 13. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (John Hauck) 14. 11:04 AM - Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (lucien) 15. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (John Hauck) 16. 11:38 AM - Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (kirkds) 17. 01:49 PM - Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming (lucien) 18. 03:29 PM - Re: Sun and Fun 2009 (cspoke) 19. 03:47 PM - Back to gascolators (Dave Kulp) 20. 04:02 PM - Re: Back to gascolators (Dana Hague) 21. 05:13 PM - Re: Sun and Fun 2009 (N111KX (Kip)) 22. 06:43 PM - A Truly Classic Statement by Dennis Souder (jerb) 23. 06:51 PM - A Truly Classic Statement by Dennis Souder (jerb) 24. 06:52 PM - Re: Sun and Fun 2009 (icrashrc) 25. 06:54 PM - Re: 912 ULS starter (icrashrc) 26. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: 912 ULS starter (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:10 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Transparent gascolator with drain valve At 11:55 AM 4/4/2009, Dave Kulp wrote: >Dana, does it make a difference (or preferable) whether the gascolator is >before or after the inline filter? I'm putting it before the inline filter, so that if it _does_ trap any sediment, I'll see it. Also I'm adding a coarse (170 micron) screen to the gascolator outlet to catch any large debris before it gets to the primary filter. -Dana -- Remember when a trojan was a warrior? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:30 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage From: "Thom Riddle" Dennis, You are absolutely correct.... if the gear legs are standard Kolb aluminum, but if they are heat treated 4130 tubing, not necessarily so. I don't recall if the original post even said which type of gear leg was on the subject Kolb. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY http://riddletr.googlepages.com/sportpilot-cfi http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238130#238130 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:36 AM PST US From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage There is only one caveat to add to these basically correct observations. The standard aluminum gear leg must fully insert into the A-frame tubing. If a gear leg is too short or not correctly inserted. If, for what ever reason, the end of the gear leg is not fully inserted, it could bend the A-frame tube. This has happened with some FireStars where the end of the alum leg was only about halfway inserted into the frame tube. I, like, Dennis Kirby, once landed a TwinStar so hard that it bent both gear legs up to where the wheels hardly touched the ground. It was a beautifully flying evening and I think I must have been daydreaming about something else and not paying attention to my flying chores; all of a sudden I saw the horizon moving very quickly upward. I added full throttle instantly, but too late and I hit the ground very hard - but not hard enough to stick. I bounced back into the air and was flying again with both gear bent way up. I did a "belly" landing and all was well except the gear legs and my pride. I didn't add the worst part yet: I was taking a bunch of kids for rides that evening and this was the last. I had a 6 year old girl with me. The father - a jet fighter pilot was watching the whole thing. He was very gracious and praised my "wheels up" landing. But I was absolutely blown away by my inattention and carelessness, esp given the payload I had aboard. Too old too soon -too smart to late Dennis -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom Riddle Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:31 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage Dennis, You are absolutely correct.... if the gear legs are standard Kolb aluminum, but if they are heat treated 4130 tubing, not necessarily so. I don't recall if the original post even said which type of gear leg was on the subject Kolb. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY http://riddletr.googlepages.com/sportpilot-cfi http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238130#238130 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:06 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage > I, like, Dennis Kirby, once landed a TwinStar so hard that it bent both gear > legs up to where the wheels hardly touched the ground. > > Too old too soon -too smart to late Dennis First time I heard about that one, Dennis. ;-) Reminded me of a bad landing on Grand Island, NY, 1988, in my Fire Star. Back then they were Fire Stars, not original Fire Stars. Plans called for gear legs to be inserted half way into the sockets, secured by a 1/4" bolt. After flying over Niagra Falls for the first time, had already flown across Grand Island and was half way across the Niagra River north of Buffalo, NY, when a fine wire NGK plug electrode seperated, all but shutting down the 447 completely. Wind favored returning to Grand Island, and away I went, mostly down. Was setting up to land on the Interstate Highway right of way, but changed my mind, too late, and tried to put it across the fence off the right of way. Got behind on my flying chores, stalled it high, got a serious case of "Kolb Quit", bent both gear legs (had 1" X .090" heat treated 4130 legs), the left left shearing the gear leg socket. Had I remained totally focused on the first place I picked out, the forced landing would have been successful, I could have changed spark plugs, and been on my way. Wish I had. ;-) john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:43 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Sun and Fun 2009 Morning Gang: Sun and Fun 2009 is two weeks away. Had about decided not to fly down, but got up this morning and decided I would like to fly down and sleep under the stars a few nights. Mainly, I'm looking forward to spending time with Travis and Dennis, and all my old friends from previous flyins. Hope the weather will be great for the entire week. I have not flown much since last September. Doesn't take long for me to get rusty. It is about a 5 hour flight one way. This will help me confirm what I need to do to get ready for my flight to Monument Valley in May. The more one does it, the better they get at it. One wants to travel as light as possible, but have everything one needs to make the flight comfortable. See you all at Lakeland. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:07 AM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage In a message dated 4/7/2009 9:30:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, flykolb@pa.net writes: Too old too soon -too smart to late Dennis Hi Dennis, I was born and raised close to the Pennsylvania Dutch Land area (Cochranville, PA), but now live in South Jersey. I always heard it said as: To soon oldt, to late schmart. Either way it is so true! Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:10 AM PST US From: "mccarthy" Subject: Kolb-List: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming I'm a long time reader of the list, and would love to fly out to MV to meet the group, and see the area, but have way too many hurdles to jump to be possible. I live 70 miles south of Oshkosh, WI, have no "real" cross country time, no mountain experience, and a very unpredictable work schedule. I have a original Firestar, but just for flying around the area, and have a Zenith 601HD 912ul for getting around. The Zenith cruises just fine between 80-100MPH, with a 3 hour duration, but can't land where a Kolb can. First off, for flight planning, should I would fly to Albuquerque and then up to MV to avoid the higher elevations? Secondly, is anyone from the upper Midwest considering this trip? I believe there is courage, knowledge, and strength in numbers. In summary, this will probably just have to stay on my wish list, but I am one of those who enjoys the planning as much as the trip. Tom McCarthy Firestar N441TM Zenith 601HD N514TM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:49 AM PST US From: FlyColt45@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Super LED Light Bob & all, Also Check out Kuntzleman Electronics. I have Dick's his LED Navs, Strobes & Landing lights. Might save a few bucks over other manufacturers. {Like the Insurance company's that advertises motorcycle ins by showing that their rep's ride their bikes to work -- Dick has built more Kolb's than most people (still has his Sun & Fun "Best Craftsmanship award winning Kolb MK II), and has been making electronics for Kolbs since the beginning} Jim Cote PA/FL -- do not archive -- In a message dated 4/6/2009 10:23:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rcarillon@neo.rr.com writes: To anyone considering strobes for their Kolb you may want to look at Whelens new Vertex Super-LED Light. We had a rep at my work last week and he showed us these new super LED lights and they were definitely bright. All self contained and very low current draw as you would expect from LEDs. You can choose from multiple flash patterns just by momentarily touching one wire to B+ to cycle through the different flash patterns. These look like they could be perfect wing tip strobes.You can buy a chrome bezel to go around the light which finishes them off nicely. You can check them out at whelen.com just to the right of the new product arrow. Bob (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:11 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming > I'm a long time reader of the list, and would love to fly out to MV to > meet > the group, and see the area, but have way too many hurdles to jump to be > possible. I live 70 miles south of Oshkosh, WI, have no "real" cross > country time, no mountain experience, and a very unpredictable work > schedule. I have a original Firestar, but just for flying around the > area, > and have a Zenith 601HD 912ul for getting around. The Zenith cruises just > fine between 80-100MPH, with a 3 hour duration, but can't land where a > Kolb > can. > First off, for flight planning, should I would fly to Albuquerque and then > up to MV to avoid the higher elevations? Secondly, is anyone from the > upper > Midwest considering this trip? I believe there is courage, knowledge, and > strength in numbers. > In summary, this will probably just have to stay on my wish list, but I am > one of those who enjoys the planning as much as the trip. > > Tom McCarthy > Firestar N441TM > Zenith 601HD N514TM Tom Mc: It's about 1200 statute miles from your home to MV, straight line distance. With good wind and weather, you could make that in two days, 2.5 at the most. Looking at the map, I'd fly direct to Denver area. From there either follow the I-70W over the pass, about 10,000 feet, then south to Moab, UT, and MV. Or, fly direct to Pueblo, CO, then south to pick up highway 160W to the Four Corners area, then direct to MV. Long cross country flights are a lot of short legs combined, one leg at a time. If you can fly a good 1.5 hour leg, you can fly anywhere you want to go. For those that thrive on long cross country flights in very small aircraft, especially Kolbs, this type flying is addictive. I was lucky to find a friend that had that same desire, same flying style, and a lot of free time to accomplish the flights. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:31 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming From: "lucien" mccarthy(at)jefnet.com wrote: > I'm a long time reader of the list, and would love to fly out to MV to meet > the group, and see the area, but have way too many hurdles to jump to be > possible. I live 70 miles south of Oshkosh, WI, have no "real" cross > country time, no mountain experience, and a very unpredictable work > schedule. I have a original Firestar, but just for flying around the area, > and have a Zenith 601HD 912ul for getting around. The Zenith cruises just > fine between 80-100MPH, with a 3 hour duration, but can't land where a Kolb > can. > First off, for flight planning, should I would fly to Albuquerque and then > up to MV to avoid the higher elevations? Secondly, is anyone from the upper > Midwest considering this trip? I believe there is courage, knowledge, and > strength in numbers. > In summary, this will probably just have to stay on my wish list, but I am > one of those who enjoys the planning as much as the trip. > > Tom McCarthy > Firestar N441TM > Zenith 601HD N514TM Just FYI, I may not be able to make it. The new prop isn't working out as I've expected so I may be down experimenting rather than flying for fun.... There may still be some others from my area going tho.... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238166#238166 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:49 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming > Just FYI, I may not be able to make it. The new prop isn't working out as I've expected so I may be down experimenting rather than flying for fun.... > There may still be some others from my area going tho.... > -------- > LS > Titan II SS 225 sm! You can fly that in on leg. If you miss it, you will be sacrificing some good quality time with other like minded Kolb folks you won't find any place else. Don't miss the opportunity of a great get together so close to home. There will be some of the original Monument Valley gang that have been to every Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin, MV, UT, since the first one in 2003. Again this year, we will miss several of our original gang that have gone on the that big Kolb Flyin in the sky. Looking forward to seeing Tom and Betty Kuffel again. They flew in for the 2003 flyin, were planning on returning in 2004, and also flying with me to Alaska that same year. A little incident broke their Prospector experimental, grounding them for a while. I think they will have their new experimental flying soon. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:29 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming From: "lucien" John Hauck wrote: > > > 225 sm! You can fly that in on leg. > > If you miss it, you will be sacrificing some good quality time with other > like minded Kolb folks you won't find any place else. > > Don't miss the opportunity of a great get together so close to home. > > There will be some of the original Monument Valley gang that have been to > every Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin, MV, UT, since the first one in 2003. > Again this year, we will miss several of our original gang that have gone on > the that big Kolb Flyin in the sky. > > Looking forward to seeing Tom and Betty Kuffel again. They flew in for the > 2003 flyin, were planning on returning in 2004, and also flying with me to > Alaska that same year. A little incident broke their Prospector > experimental, grounding them for a while. I think they will have their new > experimental flying soon. > > john h > mkIII Well I'm hoping I'll get my problem resolved by then. As-is, I'm not yet convinced I have a safe situation for a long flight so I need to get it fixed first. Just FYI, I have a prop harmonic that I'm still researching, a hard buzz in the seat and a rotating low frequency hum. Last night I finally figured out it wasn't acceptable - I hadn't flown for an extended period of time until last night so didn't think it was a problem until I spent some time in the plane with it. I was ready to land after a little more than half an hour. I'm as close to convinced as I can be that it's NOT the fault of the prop or the plane, but simply the two together. But a hard vibration isn't something I want to let go unaddressed...... Next thing I'm going to do is take it off and check the balance just to be sure, but an unbalanced WD right out of the factory is just not something I think the guys at WD would allow to happen. So I'll be a test pilot for a little while longer looks like...... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238170#238170 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:46 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming > > So I'll be a test pilot for a little while longer looks like...... > > LS Make sure all three blades have as near pitch as possible. Usually, this will be the primary reason for a vibration or harmonic in the airframe. I believe the prop has a life time customer satisfaction guarantee. Work with Daryl at WD. I'm waiting on new blades for my prop. Hope they get here before time to fly to Lakeland. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:26 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming From: "lucien" John Hauck wrote: > > > Make sure all three blades have as near pitch as possible. Usually, this > will be the primary reason for a vibration or harmonic in the airframe. > > I believe the prop has a life time customer satisfaction guarantee. Work > with Daryl at WD. > > I'm waiting on new blades for my prop. Hope they get here before time to > fly to Lakeland. > > john h > mkIII Yeah, I have the blades as pefectly pitched as I can get them with the protractor. The tracking is less than 1/4" on all blades too.... I may have a go with the 4" extension which is what the IVO had on it. It's probably unlikely an inch would make a difference but it might. I'm calling daryl here in a bit to talk it over with him. There're a couple other things to try too. So the experimenting shall continue ;). LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238173#238173 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:25 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming > I may have a go with the 4" extension which is what the IVO had on it. It's probably unlikely an inch would make a difference but it might. I'm calling daryl here in a bit to talk it over with him. > > LS I have had good luck with a 4" extension on the mkIII. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:54 AM PST US From: "kirkds" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming Secondly, is anyone from the upper > Midwest considering this trip? I believe there is courage, knowledge, and > strength in numbers. I considered it but too far for me. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:26 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming From: "lucien" John Hauck wrote: > > > > I have had good luck with a 4" extension on the mkIII. > > john h > mkIII Dale said the extra inch is almost guaranteed not to make a difference. Going down in diameter is the next idea..... ugh..... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238199#238199 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:24 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun and Fun 2009 From: "cspoke" I too am looking forward to spending time with all the Kolb gang at Sun n Fun. I'll be there Friday and Saturday. Hope to see some of you then -------- Craig Spoke Mk 111 Xtra VW (in the works) Lillian, AL cspoke@gulftel.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238207#238207 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:07 PM PST US From: Dave Kulp Subject: Kolb-List: Back to gascolators Folks, I bought a nice used gascolator a few months back and it has what appears to be a vacuum fitting on the top. Before I install it I need to know the options/requirements re: the vacuum line? I.e., can it be plugged or is it's use necessary for the gascolator to function properly? Thanks Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA Firefly 098 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:51 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Back to gascolators At 06:45 PM 4/7/2009, Dave Kulp wrote: >I bought a nice used gascolator a few months back and it has what appears >to be a vacuum fitting on the top. Before I install it I need to know the >options/requirements re: the vacuum line? I.e., can it be plugged or is >it's use necessary for the gascolator to function properly? Vacuum doesn't seem likely... are you sure it's not a primer connection? -Dana -- Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check? ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:06 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun and Fun 2009 From: "N111KX (Kip)" I'm watching the weather... :D Kip -------- Kip Firestar II, N111KX Waiex, N111YX Quickie 1, N111QX Atlanta Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238225#238225 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:53 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Kolb-List: A Truly Classic Statement by Dennis Souder The following is a truly classic statement extracted from a post made by our Dennis Souder, former Kolb Aircraft company owner. I' too have been there, done that, but the best is the last few words below highlighted in blue. jerb "I must have been daydreaming about something else and not paying attention to my flying chores; all of a sudden I saw the horizon moving very quickly upward. I added full throttle instantly, but too late and I hit the ground very hard - but not hard enough to stick." ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:28 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Kolb-List: A Truly Classic Statement by Dennis Souder The following is a truly classic statement extracted from a post made by our Dennis Souder, former Kolb Aircraft company owner. I' too have been there, done that, but the best is the last few words below highlighted in blue. jerb "I must have been daydreaming about something else and not paying attention to my flying chores; all of a sudden I saw the horizon moving very quickly upward. I added full throttle instantly, but too late and I hit the ground very hard - but not hard enough to stick." ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:14 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun and Fun 2009 From: "icrashrc" Enjoy yourselves at S-n-F. Notre Dame is keeping me busy enough that i don't think I'll make it. -------- Scott www.ill-EagleAviation.com do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238244#238244 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:45 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912 ULS starter From: "icrashrc" Thanks for the info on the size battery you're using. I was hoping someone had actually tested the amp draw of the starter while cranking. Not something one would normally check but I've never been called 'normal'! [Laughing] -------- Scott www.ill-EagleAviation.com do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238245#238245 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:02 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 912 ULS starter > Thanks for the info on the size battery you're using. I was hoping someone had actually tested the amp draw of the starter while cranking. Not something one would normally check but I've never been called 'normal'! [Laughing] > > -------- > Scott Scott: This is the battery I use in my mkIII and 912ULS: http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc545.htm john h mkIII ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.