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1. 02:10 AM - Re: Re: New M3X Flies ! (pj.ladd)
2. 05:56 AM - Re: Kolb crash yesterday (Richard Pike)
3. 06:05 AM - Sun and Fun 2009 (John Hauck)
4. 06:16 AM - Re: Sun and Fun 2009 (N111KX (Kip))
5. 06:20 AM - Re: Kolb crash yesterday (N111KX (Kip))
6. 07:08 AM - Re: Kolb crash yesterday (william sullivan)
7. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: New M3X Flies ! (Michael Sharp)
8. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: New M3X Flies ! (pj.ladd)
9. 09:17 AM - crash (pj.ladd)
10. 09:21 AM - Re: Kolb crash yesterday (Ralph B)
11. 09:48 AM - Re: Kolb crash yesterday (Ralph B)
12. 09:52 AM - Re: Sun and Fun 2009 (cristalclear13)
13. 11:03 AM - What diameter are the 4 bolts (16 total) that hold the 4 lord engine mounts on a MKIII? (Jason Omelchuck)
14. 12:17 PM - Dumb short short landing technique question (Jack B. Hart)
15. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: Kolb crash yesterday (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
16. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: Kolb crash yesterday (Jack B. Hart)
17. 02:22 PM - Re: What diameter are the 4 bolts (16 total) that hold the 4 lord engine mounts on a MKIII? (Richard Girard)
18. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Kolb crash yesterday (robert bean)
19. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Sun and Fun 2009 (zeprep251@aol.com)
20. 04:33 PM - Re: Kolb crash yesterday (Kirkds)
21. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: Kolb crash yesterday (russ kinne)
22. 06:59 PM - Re: Sun and Fun 2009 (N111KX (Kip))
23. 07:52 PM - Re: Kolb crash yesterday (Richard Pike)
24. 09:03 PM - Ultrastar Reduction Drive (Thumper)
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Subject: | Re: New M3X Flies ! |
I thought it was furlongs per fortnight.>>
Great!. I never met an American who knew what a fortnight was.
How about `rod, pole, perch or lug per sennight`
Pat (Still laughing)
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Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
Ed is doing pretty well and will probably have surgery today to set his leg bones
in place if the swelling in his leg has gone down enough.
All of us have heard the phrase "He rolled it up into a ball?" Well, this is how
a Kolb looks when you do that: notice the integrity of the main cockpit area.
And yes - it is rebuildable and we do plan to rebuild it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (42OldPoops)
PS: Over the years most everybody - including me- have taken for granted the comparative
fragility of Ivoprops. Uh - notice what the tail boom is wrapped around...
Currently the prop is the only airworthy thing on the airplane - go figure.
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Subject: | Sun and Fun 2009 |
Morning Gang:
I'm out the door and headed for Gantt International Airport.
Plan to get in the air soonest.
Weather guessers are forecasting a wind advisory today all the way to just
north of Lakeland, 15 to 25 out of the west. At least I will have a
tailwind.
Hope to make it to LAL before they close the field for the air show at 1300
EDST. Will be pusing it, but with the wind, I may be able to do it. If
not, I'll hang out somewhere until about 1800 EDST to get into Paradise
City.
See ya'll down there.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
I'll be flying down also.
Look for the yellow checkerboards..!
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Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
Amazing pics. Steel cages are good!
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Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
- Ed's crash looks a lot worse than mine.- I hope he is resting comfort
ably, and heals up okay.- Give him my best wishes.- Yes, it does look r
e-buildable.- Mostly, lots of labor.
- "Before" photo's are at www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
- The comments about the steel cage are correct- mine folded about the sa
me way.- I barked my shins on the instrument panel, but no other leg dama
ge.- I think if I was 20 years younger I wouldn't have taken the back and
neck damage (no discs prior to the accident).- How old is Ed?
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Subject: | Re: New M3X Flies ! |
Well, isn't lug to be pulled by the hair or ears, and sennight is celtic fo
r 7 nights?- =0A=0ASoooo is it being pulled by your ears for 7 nights????
=0A=0AShhhhhhh- don't tell anyone it's not kolb related.... =0A=0ADo Not
Archive=0A=0AMike=0AMk III C=0AOak Grove Missouri=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
___________________=0AFrom: pj.ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>=0ATo: kolb-lis
t@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:00:29 AM=0ASubject: Re: K
d" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>=0A=0AI thought it was furlongs per fortnight.>>
=0A=0AGreat!.- I never met an American who knew what a fortnight was. =0A
How about- `rod, pole, perch or lug per sennight`=0A=0APat (Still laughin
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Subject: | Re: New M3X Flies ! |
sennight is celtic for 7 nights? >>
Hi Mike,
Not Celtic as far as I know. `Sennight` is a shortened form of `seven
nights` in the same way that `fortnight` is a shortened form of
`fourteen nights`.
Now that really is off topic so back in your dorm quickly before the
monitor comes round. Its nearly `lights out`
Pat
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glad to hear the pilot is reasonably OK.
The pics show the entire tail plane assembly twisted over the top of the
wing yet the boom can still be seen pointing aft. Did the end of the
boom including the tail snap off? Seems unlikely but the entire tail
plane staying together after it had departed the boom seems equally
unlikely.
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
Richard, what do you think might have caused this?
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
My heart goes out to Ed. His Kolb was a beauty and maybe he can rebuild it back
to its original condition.
The sad part is that it didn't need to happen. Beware of landing in tight backyard
airstrips. Had the tailwheel not caught on the fence, he would have made it.
There have been times where a downdraft pushed me within inches of a powerline
landing at small airstrips.
Ralph B
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Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
N111KX (Kip) wrote:
> I'll be flying down also.
>
> Look for the yellow checkerboards..!
Any chance you'll be stopping by AYS Waycross?
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Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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Subject: | What diameter are the 4 bolts (16 total) that hold the 4 lord |
engine mounts on a MKIII?
I am away from the airplane and need to know this. I think they are an-3,
but I am not sure.
Jason
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Subject: | Dumb short short landing technique question |
>
>I have a what may seem like a dumb question regarding really short landings.
I've been pushing myself to try to land as short as I can. I find it a challenge
to control the speed at minimum and achieve a decent landing with minimum
ground roll. I consider myself barely an average aviator and have the history
to prove it.
>
>I'm down to landing in less than 600 ft over a +80 foot obstacle on grass. One
of the problems is the steep approach at minimum speed and timing the flare.
Gusting winds don't help. I think what is happening is the wing and flaps are
blocking the air at the abrupt flare and robbing some elevator authority making
things kinda ugly at times. My next move is to try a little shot of power
to put some air on the elevator for authority.
>
>I liken this to a bird landing on a wire and missing the wire. Interested in
learning others techniques and suggestions. Don't want to insult anyone, but
would like to avoid VG's being the answer. Technique should be the same to achieve
best result with or without VG's. Sorry bout that.
>
>Again, this is pushing my abilities. I may have reached my personal limits based
on my limited ability.
>
John,
You may want to consider changing your technique.
One can practice steep descents and then apply it to landing. My problem
was selecting an alternative landing site and then not being able to get the
FireFly down in time and thereby over flying the site. It took a little
practice but finally I managed it.
I took the FireFly up to about 3,000 feet agl, and applied flaperons,
reduced power, and pushed the nose over to see how quickly I was falling out
of the sky. I never let the ias get below 50 mph. Then I did the same
thing again with a forward slip. It is truly amazing how quickly you can
get down and one can vary the rate by pushing the stick forward and
increasing the air speed.
Once I got used to this, I went back to the airport and practiced flaring at
given spot on the runway. The advantage of this method is that you are
never anywhere close to stall speed. It lets you change slope with stick
for and backwards motion and to clear an obstacles with out fear of stalling.
Just before flaring, you back off the rudder and all power and you are down.
FWIW
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
Richard
Inquiring minds want to know. How did the tail get rapped up over the top? I
looks like the left wheel might have caught the fence flipping the plane
over on the right wing but that doesn't explain how the boom tube got rapped
up that way. Did the plane get turned around back wards right side up in the
air then landed going backwards?? Any way it must have been a wild ride that
last few seconds. Thankfully he wasn't killed.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb crash yesterday
>
> Ed is doing pretty well and will probably have surgery today to set his
> leg bones in place if the swelling in his leg has gone down enough.
>
> All of us have heard the phrase "He rolled it up into a ball?" Well, this
> is how a Kolb looks when you do that: notice the integrity of the main
> cockpit area.
>
> And yes - it is rebuildable and we do plan to rebuild it.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (42OldPoops)
>
> PS: Over the years most everybody - including me- have taken for granted
> the comparative fragility of Ivoprops. Uh - notice what the tail boom is
> wrapped around... Currently the prop is the only airworthy thing on the
> airplane - go figure.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240441#240441
>
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Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
At 05:55 AM 4/21/09 -0700, you wrote:
>
Richard,
Some photos. I don't understand how he could have wrapped the tail boom
around the wing. It all most looks like it was was rolled over backwards.
This does not seem likely if one caught the tail wheel on a fence. Is this
after crash damage? Can you fill in the mechanics of the crash?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Re: What diameter are the 4 bolts (16 total) that hold the |
4 lord engine mounts on a MKIII?
Yep, AN-3's
Rick
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Jason Omelchuck <jason@trek-tech.com>wrote:
> I am away from the airplane and need to know this. I think they are
> an-3, but I am not sure.
>
>
> Jason
>
> *
>
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Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
Richard, it's the WINGS you are supposed to fold, not the tail.
BB
On 21, Apr 2009, at 8:55 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Ed is doing pretty well and will probably have surgery today to set
> his leg bones in place if the swelling in his leg has gone down
> enough.
>
> All of us have heard the phrase "He rolled it up into a ball?"
> Well, this is how a Kolb looks when you do that: notice the
> integrity of the main cockpit area.
>
> And yes - it is rebuildable and we do plan to rebuild it.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (42OldPoops)
>
> PS: Over the years most everybody - including me- have taken for
> granted the comparative fragility of Ivoprops. Uh - notice what the
> tail boom is wrapped around... Currently the prop is the only
> airworthy thing on the airplane - go figure.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240441#240441
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
Just for anyones info,
? Blackwater ultralite airpark is a couple miles south of Zephyhills airport right
on highway 39.It has 2300 ' of n/s runway all sod ,and a wash up sink and
flush toilet and pop machine.It's 10 min north of LAL,and Mrs.Canon is a sweetheart.I
keep the MK3 there all winter,nice people.I'm sure you could overnite
there if the need arose.
? G Aman
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Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:50 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun and Fun 2009
N111KX (Kip) wrote:
> I'll be flying down also.
>
> Look for the yellow checkerboards..!
Any chance you'll be stopping by AYS Waycross?
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Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
Looks like the main gear caught the fence plunging the nose into the ground. The
forward momentum carried the tail over the top as the cage was springing the
fusalage back up in the air. A forward flip it came back down on the tail as
the fusalage was still going forward through the air over the tail. My understanding
was that when help arrived the fusalage was upside down and not as seen
in the pics.
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Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
FWIW - if the fuselage were indeed upside-down when found, it's one
thing.
I suspect the tail caught the fence, it bent the boom tube upwards,
then the nose dug in, and then the boom tube folded up again and
came to rest as in the pix.
If the plane were moved before the pix, another theorem. A forward
roll does change things.
Russ K
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On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Kirkds wrote:
>
> Looks like the main gear caught the fence plunging the nose into
> the ground. The forward momentum carried the tail over the top as
> the cage was springing the fusalage back up in the air. A forward
> flip it came back down on the tail as the fusalage was still going
> forward through the air over the tail. My understanding was that
> when help arrived the fusalage was upside down and not as seen in
> the pics.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
Cristal, it's a bit out of my way but not much. Will you be around tomorrow? Are
you headed to SnF?
Kip
cristalclear13 wrote:
>
> N111KX (Kip) wrote:
> > I'll be flying down also.
> >
> > Look for the yellow checkerboards..!
>
>
> Any chance you'll be stopping by AYS Waycross?
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Kip
Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
Probably should have put this in the original post, but just to help resolve the
speculation - There was apparently a wind shear caused both by the local terrain
and by a thermal cooking off, but either way - there was a sharp airpseed
decay, the tailwheel hit the ground on the wrong side of the fence, but the mains
cleared. (Love those VG's...)
Hit the fence with the tailwheel, flipped it nose low, hit the grass with the left
main first. The fitting where the landing gear leg attaches to the axle broke,
the wheel came off, and the gear leg dug in. (Tongue in cheek comment follows:)
That was not helpful. (I WILL be talking this over with Travis) When we
put it back together, the new fitting will get gusseted. I am also planning
to gusset the fitting on my MKIII if it is similar. Fool me once, etc...
With the wheel gone off the end of the left gear leg, the leg dug in, and that
is probably when the nose hit. Then, as the airplane was spinning around the left
gear leg, I think the tail hit next, the airplane having turned 180 degrees
and is now going backwards, the tail hit, and the boom folded, and now the airplane
rolled up the boom, ending up inverted, with the empennage wrapped around
the gap seal. Not sure when or how the right wing was destroyed. Maybe it
hit as the airplane spun 180 degrees. Strangest of all, the Ivoprop emerged unscathed!
(weird...)
Ed is in good spirits, already discussing how we will put it back together, looks
like his surgery is now set back a couple of weeks, situation unsure. We are
praying for good healing.
It will take a while to put the FSII back together, but we are already committed
to putting it back together with a goal of 50 pounds lighter, (It was porky,
too many bells and whistles) stronger, and better than before. This is all just
a speed bump on the road of life. Guys build things. (because God builds things,
we imitate Him, we build things) Because we live in a fallen world, we tear
stuff up, then we fix it and go on, then we tear it up, and fix it again,
and go on. We are guys, that's what we do. Ed and I have talked it over, and it
gives us something good to do. Not what we had planned, but so what? Keeps us
out of worse mischief...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Ultrastar Reduction Drive |
Anyone have parts from a Cuyuna Reduction drive, 2.0 to 1 multi-rib belt. This
is for Homers original redrive. I have one with bad excentric shaft and driven
hub. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Dennis
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Dennis Long
Oakland TN
Kolb Ultrastar Owner
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