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1. 03:25 AM - bad blades (Ted Cowan)
2. 04:29 AM - Re: Re: Note of appreciation (loseyf@comcast.net)
3. 05:58 AM - Re: bad blades (robert bean)
4. 06:26 AM - Re: bad blades (lucien)
5. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley (russ kinne)
6. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley (b young)
7. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: bad blades (Herb)
8. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley (russ kinne)
9. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley (zeprep251@aol.com)
10. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley (b young)
11. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! (pj.ladd)
12. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! (Dana Hague)
13. 10:26 AM - Re: bad blades (HShack@aol.com)
14. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
15. 12:47 PM - Re: bad blades (lucien)
16. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: Monument Valley (zeprep251@aol.com)
17. 04:52 PM - Re: Monument Valley (Dave Rains)
18. 07:52 PM - Re: bad blades (JetPilot)
19. 08:08 PM - Re: Another cross country - Vidalia AirShow (JetPilot)
20. 08:09 PM - Re: props (JetPilot)
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I wasnt going to answer this on line but because I was scolded on line, I
will. The fact is I have talked to Daryl many times in the past about these
blades and I finally got to send them back to him for checking. They were
all different weights, lengths and not at all matched. There was also cloth
like bumps on them. The receipt I got back with the blades said he replaced
a blade and balanced them. When I got them back all I saw that was done was
new paint, and they filed or cut them off to match for length to match the
smaller blade tip (not quit as small as the smallest one) and claim to have
balanced them. I was told the balance is at the hub and not at the tip.
What? I super balanced them on my blade balancing units and said to hell
with it. If I cannot PROVE my case nothing is going to be done about it. I
set about trying to solve this mystery for the last year or so. The new
blades I tried this weekend were absolutely quieter and smoother (albeit
shorter) (even after I pitched them to 14 degrees) than my present blades.
I still had some of the sound I am chasing so I still dont have the absolute
answer. I am still way noisier than it should be. I asked Ronnie Smith to
check this problem the very first week I installed the engine. I offered to
pay him. He had me try several things as move my exhaust pipes to the top
instead of the right side, balance my carbs,(I have done that at least four
times) and put my 4" spacer on and resisted any other help. Sooooo, all
that I have left is to go outside the realm and find the answer. It may be
that several things cause this (including the blades) so I am still looking.
I dont think Daryl is going to volunteer new blades as he would have done
that in the first place and not send me these chunks of plastic back the way
they did. (as he told me, he had NEVER heard of such a thing and NEVER had
that problem before, yeah, right) I have slipped through the cracks and it
is my option to not be happy about it. I am not a celebrity so I dont get
the attention that some people get. I WILL call him today and see what he
says but I had to wait till sun un fun was over. Now. I know some of you
wonderful people on this list are going to be angry at me and trash me but
that is what the deal is. I did not get the attention to this stuff before
and I dont believe I will get much now unless I can PROVE it. The only way
to PROVE it is to have a new set of 70 inch blades -- good ones, and try
them. Maybe, just maybe they will be quiet enough to help isolate the other
sound and get the job done. Other than that I have a very, very, very
expensive engine and blade unit that can drive a bear out of hibernation.
My case. Like it or not. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Slingshot, 912 UL.
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| Subject: | Re: Note of appreciation |
I will give you a call later this week after I get back in town. Sounds good.
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Sent: Apr 27, 2009 9:35 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Note of appreciation
Perhaps this weekend, Fran. Especially if it continues to be too windy to fly.
Call me. 954 608 5423.
Dave
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Ted, I'm inclined to believe you. Unless you bought those blades at
a flea market they should have been identical
from the beginning. -In appearance, weight and shape.
If you feel you have a valid complaint I'd keep that wheel a-squeakin
until you get some satisfaction.
BB
On 28, Apr 2009, at 6:23 AM, Ted Cowan wrote:
>
> I wasnt going to answer this on line but because I was scolded on
> line, I will. The fact is I have talked to Daryl many times in the
> past about these blades and I finally got to send them back to him
> for checking. They were all different weights, lengths and not at
> all matched. There was also cloth like bumps on them. The receipt
> I got back with the blades said he replaced a blade and balanced
> them. When I got them back all I saw that was done was new paint,
> and they filed or cut them off to match for length to match the
> smaller blade tip (not quit as small as the smallest one) and claim
> to have balanced them. I was told the balance is at the hub and
> not at the tip. What? I super balanced them on my blade balancing
> units and said to hell with it. If I cannot PROVE my case nothing
> is going to be done about it. I set about trying to solve this
> mystery for the last year or so. The new blades I tried this
> weekend were absolutely quieter and smoother (albeit shorter) (even
> after I pitched them to 14 degrees) than my present blades. I still
> had some of the sound I am chasing so I still dont have the
> absolute answer. I am still way noisier than it should be. I
> asked Ronnie Smith to check this problem the very first week I
> installed the engine. I offered to pay him. He had me try several
> things as move my exhaust pipes to the top instead of the right
> side, balance my carbs,(I have done that at least four times) and
> put my 4" spacer on and resisted any other help. Sooooo, all that
> I have left is to go outside the realm and find the answer. It may
> be that several things cause this (including the blades) so I am
> still looking. I dont think Daryl is going to volunteer new blades
> as he would have done that in the first place and not send me these
> chunks of plastic back the way they did. (as he told me, he had
> NEVER heard of such a thing and NEVER had that problem before,
> yeah, right) I have slipped through the cracks and it is my option
> to not be happy about it. I am not a celebrity so I dont get the
> attention that some people get. I WILL call him today and see what
> he says but I had to wait till sun un fun was over. Now. I know
> some of you wonderful people on this list are going to be angry at
> me and trash me but that is what the deal is. I did not get the
> attention to this stuff before and I dont believe I will get much
> now unless I can PROVE it. The only way to PROVE it is to have a
> new set of 70 inch blades -- good ones, and try them. Maybe, just
> maybe they will be quiet enough to help isolate the other sound and
> get the job done. Other than that I have a very, very, very
> expensive engine and blade unit that can drive a bear out of
> hibernation. My case. Like it or not. Ted Cowan, Alabama,
> Slingshot, 912 UL.
>
>
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slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
> Ted, I'm inclined to believe you. Unless you bought those blades at
> a flea market they should have been identical
> from the beginning. -In appearance, weight and shape.
> If you feel you have a valid complaint I'd keep that wheel a-squeakin
> until you get some satisfaction.
> BB
>
> On 28, Apr 2009, at 6:23 AM, Ted Cowan wrote:
>
>
While I havn't had the QC problems you've had, I'm going to be calling Daryl today
too to inquire about another solution.
I keep trying to not mind my vibration and I juuuuust can't be at ease with it.
Another hour yesterday evening in the plane and I just couldn't relax.
So don't keep him on the phone too long ;).
I'm going to see about a 2-blade option. I don't know if the 912uls can be held
back with only 2 70" or less WD blades, but I'm going to see what Daryl says
about it. I'm doubltful a change in diameter will fix my situation as another
owner of my plane type has reported the same problem with his 64". So I think
a major change in config will be needed.
I'm certain in my case it's not a QC problem with the prop and I've never heard
of even a cosmetic problem with a WD prop. A hint of weave here and there, yeah,
but that's not what I'd consider a problem.
Hopefully my powerfin will be here in a couple weeks. I'll see how that goes...
LS
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Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
GOOD CHOICE!!
On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:39 PM, dalewhelan wrote:
> <dalewhelan@earthlink.net>
>
> my ballast is female
>
> --------
> Dale Whelan
> 503 powered Firestar II
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
>John,
> The wife wants to know if she will be the only girl there?I suggested she
bake a few batches of her toll house cookies,to share and that would pretty
much guarantee her plenty >of company.She said thats not what she meant! But
I will keep working on the cookie angle just in case.Hope to see you all
about the 14th .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
A few batches would be great.
My wife wants to come.. Not sure if she wants to fly that far or drive
down.
Boyd.
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Just a thought or two.... ,,,Ted...have you had anyone else sit in
the plane with the engine in the correct rpm range...? If the
engine/prop combo does not exhibit the problem on the ground...then
it might be airframe /engine/prop related...?? Can others hear
it? Could be some aspect of your hearing ? Women are best at
this "noise " game...:-)
How about stuffing some foam into the boom tube ? It has a resonant
frequency and could amplify sounds...
Lastly...buy or borrow one of the voice recorders or make a video
and upload it to you tube for all to hear... Herb
At 08:23 AM 4/28/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
> > Ted, I'm inclined to believe you. Unless you bought those blades at
> > a flea market they should have been identical
> > from the beginning. -In appearance, weight and shape.
> > If you feel you have a valid complaint I'd keep that wheel a-squeakin
> > until you get some satisfaction.
> > BB
> >
> > On 28, Apr 2009, at 6:23 AM, Ted Cowan wrote:
> >
> >
>
>
>While I havn't had the QC problems you've had, I'm going to be
>calling Daryl today too to inquire about another solution.
>
>I keep trying to not mind my vibration and I juuuuust can't be at
>ease with it. Another hour yesterday evening in the plane and I just
>couldn't relax.
>
>So don't keep him on the phone too long ;).
>
>I'm going to see about a 2-blade option. I don't know if the 912uls
>can be held back with only 2 70" or less WD blades, but I'm going to
>see what Daryl says about it. I'm doubltful a change in diameter
>will fix my situation as another owner of my plane type has reported
>the same problem with his 64". So I think a major change in config
>will be needed.
>
>I'm certain in my case it's not a QC problem with the prop and I've
>never heard of even a cosmetic problem with a WD prop. A hint of
>weave here and there, yeah, but that's not what I'd consider a problem.
>
>Hopefully my powerfin will be here in a couple weeks. I'll see how
>that goes...
>
>LS
>
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>LS
>Titan II SS
>
>
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>
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>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>04/28/09 06:15:00
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
Boyd
Tell your wife it's safer to fly!
On Apr 28, 2009, at 9:50 AM, b young wrote:
> >John,
> > The wife wants to know if she will be the only girl there?I
> suggested she bake a few batches of her toll house cookies,to share
> and that would pretty much guarantee her plenty >of company.She
> said thats not what she meant! But I will keep working on the
> cookie angle just in case.Hope to see you all about the 14th .
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> A few batches would be great.
>
> My wife wants to come=85. Not sure if she wants to fly that far or
> drive down.
>
> Boyd.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
I have that same issue.She will fly but only if there is a meal at the de
stination.We are spending a couple weeks of vacation in Utah and Colorado
in our pickup camper,so I suggested we take the Kolb along and visit at
MV.The Kolb trailer drafts the Camper fairly well after some mods to the
trailer tongue so we'll try leaving Ohio around the 8th.It's about 1900
miles one way so we start early and sight see on the way.See you then!
=C2-=C2-=C2- G Aman MK3C Jabiru 2200
-----Original Message-----
From: b young <by0ung@brigham.net>
Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 9:50 am
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley
>John,
>=C2- The
wife wants to know if she will be the only girl there?I suggested she bake
a few
batches
of her toll house cookies,to share and that would pretty much guarantee he
r
plenty >of company.She said thats not what she meant! But I will keep
working on the cookie angle just in case.Hope to see you all about the 14t
h .
=C2-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=C2-
=C2-
A few batches would be great.
=C2-
My wife wants to come.=C2-=C2- Not sure if she wants to fly
that far or drive down.=C2-
=C2-
Boyd.
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
Boyd
Tell your wife it's safer to fly!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
She knows that,,,, but her limit in the plane is around 2 hours. if we
break it into 2 days (pause for effect) she is not a wilderness camper.
My son and daughter in law are planning a trip to the Moab area about the
same time,,, she is thinking about riding with them,, was going to say,,
still in the air for now,,, but maybe better say undecided for now. It may
depend on the weather forecast.
Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
Ultralights can't fly over a "congested area" or "assembly of persons" at
any altitude, but other than that there is no minimum altitude or
distance.>>
Hurrah! Something which we can do but you cannot. Makes a change.
We were the same as you until a couple of months ago but the micro
organasation convinced the CAA that on the evidence we were no more likey to
crash on a town than any other GA a/ and the CAA agreed. The restriction was
removed.
Wonders will never cease.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
At 12:24 PM 4/28/2009, pj.ladd wrote:
>
>Ultralights can't fly over a "congested area" or "assembly of persons" at
>any altitude, but other than that there is no minimum altitude or distance.>>
>
>Hurrah! Something which we can do but you cannot. Makes a change.
>
>We were the same as you until a couple of months ago but the micro
>organasation convinced the CAA that on the evidence we were no more likey
>to crash on a town than any other GA a/ and the CAA agreed. The
>restriction was removed.
Of course, the congested area prohibition applies only to Part 103
ultralights, which most Kolbs are not. Most Kolbs here are certificated,
with no congested area restriction (after the test hours are flown off) but
with the usual altitude restrictions. True ultralights (like my UltraStar
and my PPG's) have the congested area prohibition, but no altitude
restrictions... I'd rather be legal to fly below 500' but not over towns
than the other way around.
-Dana
--
We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse.
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Ted, I think Mike's Kiev prop MUST have the 912 Bolt pattern. If you
could get it at a decent price, it could fix your problem. If not it should be
no trouble selling it.
It may LOOK weak & fragile to Mike, but I don't agree. We may not be
sending test instruments thru ours, but they have held up well to rocks,
baseball caps, etc.
Also, Mike seems more concerned about his spacer than the prop; I don't
think his spacer is from Kiev.
C'mon Mike; how much for that piece of crap Kiev?
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
In a message dated 4/28/2009 6:25:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tc1917@bellsouth.net writes:
Other than that I have a very, very, very
expensive engine and blade unit that can drive a bear out of hibernation.
My case. Like it or not. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Slingshot, 912 UL.
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
It sounds like a good turn out for Monument Valley this year wish I
could make it again this year but it isn't going to happen. Be sure to
take your wives or better yet let them fly you around MV it is a
experience that is unforgettable. I hope every one has a great safe
flyin this year.
Still haven't flown my Kolb since November. The flood waters haven't
receded from my runway yet even with a new county drain under it. I did
get a mercy flight in a nice smooth and quiet Jabiru powered MKIIIC a
few months ago.
do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: zeprep251@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley
I have that same issue.She will fly but only if there is a meal at the
destination.We are spending a couple weeks of vacation in Utah and
Colorado in our pickup camper,so I suggested we take the Kolb along and
visit at MV.The Kolb trailer drafts the Camper fairly well after some
mods to the trailer tongue so we'll try leaving Ohio around the 8th.It's
about 1900 miles one way so we start early and sight see on the way.See
you then!
G Aman MK3C Jabiru 2200
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Oh wait... if the extension is included, I'm interested......
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
Rick,
? Hope construction goes well this summer.I'll send you some pictures.
? G.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 2:54 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley
It sounds like a good turn out for Monument? Valley this
year wish I could make it again this year but it isn't going to happen. Be sure
to take your wives or better yet let them fly you around MV it is a experience
that is unforgettable. I hope every one has a great safe flyin this
year.
?
Still haven't flown my Kolb since November. The flood waters
haven't receded from my runway yet even with a new county drain?under
it.?I did get a mercy flight in a nice smooth and quiet Jabiru
powered?MKIIIC a few months ago.
?
do not archive
?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC?
----- Original Message -----
From:
zeprep251@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:27
AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument
Valley
I have that same issue.She will
fly but only if there is a meal at the destination.We are spending a couple
weeks of vacation in Utah and Colorado in our pickup camper,so I suggested we
take the Kolb along and visit at MV.The Kolb trailer drafts the Camper fairly
well after some mods to the trailer tongue so we'll try leaving Ohio around
the 8th.It's about 1900 miles one way so we start early and sight see on the
way.See you then!
??? G Aman MK3C Jabiru
2200
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
I will be arriving with a woman, not my wife [Rolling Eyes]
No, She's not my girlfriend, but an ultralight pilot from Mexico. A wonderful
person who shares our joy of aviation.
Am planning on trailering up my helicopter, but if it's not ready, will fly the
C175 up and take the local kids for a ride.
Yes, John, I know........
The Cessna is a big hit with the locals.
Am looking forward to the fly-in, as you know, Will and I are the founders, and
have the authority to control, and reject anyone who irritates us!
:D
Dave (Skeeter) Rains
N8086T
N472DR,
and enough time in FireStars to shame a lot of folks!
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I think Ted has a right to be upset, If I had bought a prop and found the balance
and other problems he describes I would be upset also. Given the problems
Ted describes with his prop, it would be at the top of my list as to what would
be causing the suspect vibration.
As far as the Kiev Prop, it is a beautiful prop. Mine is black with a very shiny
smooth finish, with modern looking curved blades and metal leading edges, to
look at this prop is a work of art. This prop would be perfect for a tractor
or even a lower power two stroke engine. The spacer looks good, I bought it
from Kolb, its just two darn small for a 912-S in my opinion. No matter who
makes the spacer, the result will be the same, it will have to narrow down to
fit the Kiev's smaller bolt pattern. I paid a lot for this prop new, if Ted
wants to buy it, I will sell it, he knows why I switched to a warp drive and
my concern of the possibility of something going through the prop on a pusher
engine. Its been so long since I have had that prop on my plane, I don't remember
if it made a big difference in the noise or not. Same for the performance,
its been so long, and I was changing so much on the airplane at the time,
I never got a good comparison.
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Another cross country - Vidalia AirShow |
Its no wonder society is going to shit, kids like that generally grow up to be
trashy, very self centered, rude adults. The lack of rules and discipline is
very evident in the airline business, were people throw child like tantrums because
they are required to follow some very simple and necessary safety rules.
Crystal,
What kind of condition is your muffler in ??? On a 2 stroke engine, if the baffling
in the muffler comes loose, it will be just like an engine failure. The
two stroke engine relies to a great degree on the exhaust system to draw air
through the engine to obtain its power output. One of the guys in our club here
had a very difficult forced landing in his Kolb due to internal baffling coming
loose in his muffler. The engine still ran, but with no usable power, he
said he could do a little better than Idle, not enough to maintain flight.
If the muffler is on the verge of coming apart inside, better to replace it.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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I am selling the prop, and extension, with everything needed to mount it to a Rotax
912-s. Its a 72 inch prop.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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