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1. 03:17 AM - kiev (Ted Cowan)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII (John Hauck)
3. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII (John Hauck)
4. 06:34 AM - Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII (lucien)
5. 06:35 AM - Prop Pitch Adjustment Tool (John Hauck)
6. 08:07 AM - Torque setting (Jmmy Hankinson)
7. 08:14 AM - Re: Torque setting (Richard Girard)
8. 08:33 AM - Re: Torque setting (Herb)
9. 09:56 AM - Re: Torque setting (Thom Riddle)
10. 01:52 PM - Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII (ces308)
11. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII (loseyf@comcast.net)
12. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII (John Hauck)
13. 06:57 PM - Re: private message...Wade Lawacki.. (planecrazzzy)
14. 08:01 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII (zeprep251@aol.com)
15. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII (zeprep251@AOL.COM)
16. 11:01 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
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This one is for Jet Pilot:
Okay, you just have to answer one question: How much? I dont want to take
a cady out for a test drive until I know how much it will cost me if I get
the habbit. Let me know. We may have a deal. Thanks. Ted Cowan,
Alabama, slingshot 912UL. By the way, talked to Daryl at WD yesterday and
he agreed that the 70 inch prop was too big, that they were under the
impression I had a 912S or something. He is going to make and send me a new
set of 68 inch props. Thinks this might solve most of my problems. Like I
said, I could not go back to him without some kind of PROOF. Have a good
one, ya'll.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
> My powerfin F 2 blade on my PPC ate a screw out of the fan shroud on the
503 at full power and I didn't know anything had happened until the next
preflight. Saw a white ding in the leading edge and the missing screw in the
shroud. It ate some rocks here and there too, I just epoxied over the dings
and kept on flying it.
>
> This is strictly a fly more/worry less type situation as well, as the PF
is a fine prop quality-wise. It's also the strongest pusher on the market by
a little bit, tho I think the WD far and away has the widest speed range....
>
> LS
Lucien:
A small screw and a few pebbles should not take out any prop, fiberglass,
wood, or carbon fiber.
I don't know what went through my GSC 3 blade wooden prop with urethane
leading edges on my 582 powered mkIII, but it took out all three blades that
impacted on the tailboom (rendering the tailboom unserviceable). Probably
the double K&N air filter, but I will never know for sure. Shook so hard
before it shut down it slung both carbs and broke the starter off the bell
housing. Only thing holding the starter on was the battery cable. Throttle
and Choke Cables were holding on the carbs. Never did find the air cleaner.
This happened at WOT while climbing for altitude.
That's when I decided I needed something a little more substantial to fly
with because its job was to connect the engine to the air.
Again, WOT, put an 18" piece of 1.5" exhaust pipe through my Warp Drive.
Pip had a 180 and a 90 degree bend in it. Leading edge of one blade caught
the pipe. Immediately got a new vibration. Flew to Wetumpka Airport,
landed, inspected the damage, got back in the mkIII and flew 11 miles home.
Should have taken photos of the old blades I recently sent back to WD. They
were dinged up on all blades when I made the flight to MV last year. I
prearranged with John W to have some urethane tape at MV to cover up most of
the damage. A couple times I caught blades on the edge of the tin roof on
the front of my hanger when pushing the airplane into the hanger. That
always hurts me more than the blades. Especially when it feels like a wheel
is caught on something and I push harder before I realize what I am doing.
I don't know which blade is the toughest, but I feel confident what I fly
with will get me home.
I never claimed my WD prop is the best climber and cruiser, but I am happy
with it, and have been for many years and many flying hours.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
> The speed range and top speed of the WD continues to shock and amaze me,
giving almost 100mph at about 5100 rpm. This required full throttle with the
IVO at about 5300 to go that fast.
>
> LS
Do you have the WD pitched to turn 5,500 rpm at WOT straight and level
flight?
Only way I know to pitch a ground adjustable prop for best climb and cruise.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
John Hauck wrote:
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> Do you have the WD pitched to turn 5,500 rpm at WOT straight and level
> flight?
>
> Only way I know to pitch a ground adjustable prop for best climb and cruise.
>
> john h
> mkIII
Last I tried WOT in level flight It ran about 5650.
It's now set between 13.5 an 14 degs of pitch, which Daryl said was just about
the ideal setting for my general speed range and what I generally want to see.
I get just under 5400 at an 80mph climb and 5300 slowed down to 65mph which is
my Vy.
The whole overall performance is just fantastic.....
LS
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| Subject: | Prop Pitch Adjustment Tool |
While we are talking about props, let me tell you about the Laser Prop Pitch
Tool I used to get all three new blades singing off the same sheet of music.
Initially, I set one blade to the pitch I thought it should be with the Warp
Drive Protractor.
After I quickly and easily slipped the tool on that blade, which was in the
horizontal position, I secured the tool with a spring clamp which, in
addition to holding the tool in place, applied pressure to the laser switch
to keep it in the "on" position.
Positioning the tool on the blade is automatic. Don't need to worry about
not getting it set at the correct spot and angle.
Placed a piece of 2X10 wood a couple feet long on the floor to make a mark
on with a felt tip marker at the pin point of laser light.
It was easy to repeat this two more times.
All three blades are all the same pitch.
After a short test flight, realized I needed another degree of pitch.
Repitching was quick and easy with this very light weight fiber glass tool
Scott/Icrash Icrashrc@aol.com designed and fabricated.
I liked it so much Scott decided to let me keep it rather than hear me whine
if I had to send it back to him. In the process Scott told me he would be
glad to make up as many of these as necessary to help other folks get their
ground adjustable props calibrated easily and correctly.
Can't have mine.
john h
mkIII
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Help!!
I know someone can help-I need to know the torque value of the bolts used to
hold the 447 "B" gearbox together.
There are six bolts: Hex Screws # (2) 8X125, (2) 8x110, (2) 8x65.
I have a oil drip and I want to re-torque these bolts first. If this
doesn't fix the problem I will replace the gasket.
Also need the torque value for the prop bolts, Tennessee wooden prop.
Where can these torque values be found.
Jimmy Hankinson
FF035, N6007L
325 Hours
Pegasus Field
Rocky Ford, Ga.
912 863 7384
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| Subject: | Re: Torque setting |
Jimmy, Go to the Illustrated Parts Catalogue. It has torque requirements fo
r
every screw or bolt used by Rotax.
Rick
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jmmy Hankinson <jhankin@planters.net>wrote
:
> *Help!!*
>
> * *
>
> *I know someone can help=97I need to know the torque value of the bolts u
sed
> to hold the 447 =93B=94 gearbox together.*
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> * *
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> *There are six bolts: Hex Screws # (2) 8X125, (2) 8x110, (2) 8x65.*
>
> * *
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> *I have a oil drip and I want to re-torque these bolts first. If this
> doesn=92t fix the problem I will replace the gasket.*
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> * *
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> *Also need the torque value for the prop bolts, Tennessee wooden prop.*
>
> * *
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> *Where can these torque values be found.*
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> * *
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> *Jimmy Hankinson*
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> *FF035, N6007L*
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> *325 Hours*
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> *Pegasus Field*
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> *Rocky Ford, Ga.*
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> *912 863 7384*
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| Subject: | Re: Torque setting |
well....I went to the Tenn Prop site , thinking I
would find their recommendation...no
luck...Memory tells me that it is 10 to 12 ft lbs... Herb
At 10:06 AM 5/1/2009, you wrote:
>Help!!
>
>I know someone can help=ADI need to know the
>torque value of the bolts used to hold the 447 =93B=94 gearbox together.
>
>There are six bolts: Hex Screws # (2) 8X125, (2) 8x110, (2) 8x65.
>
>I have a oil drip and I want to re-torque these
>bolts first. If this doesn=92t fix the problem I will replace the gasket.
>
>Also need the torque value for the prop bolts, Tennessee wooden prop.
>
>Where can these torque values be found.
>
>Jimmy Hankinson
>FF035, N6007L
>325 Hours
>Pegasus Field
>Rocky Ford, Ga.
>912 863 7384
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Torque setting |
LEAF's most recent parts catalog (2007-2008 Resource Guide) has table of torques
for the various engines on page 91. It lists the torques for bolts based on
diameter with an exception list by part number below that. I've attached an image
of the top of that page.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
http://riddletr.googlepages.com/sportpilot-cfi
http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
Gary,
so far I am very impressed with the Jabiru I like the way it runs,its smooth and
seems quiet to me....and from hearing what these other guys are getting with
the 912's,it seems pretty equal to them...I will have test flight numbers up
here soon. I think the noise these things make are just the nature of the beast...pushers
are noisier and thats it.My M3X is already twice as good or better
than my 172 .I am really looking forword to the test flights!
chris ambrose
M3X/jab
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
Chris,
I am just starting my MKIII X and am very curious on the Jabiru, as the Rotax is
above my pay grade at this point.... I would like to hear your experiences.
Do you have a builder site?
Fran Losey
Fran.losey@alber.com
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From: ces308
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ReplyTo: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: May 1, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
Gary,
so far I am very impressed with the Jabiru I like the way it runs,its smooth and
seems quiet to me....and from hearing what these other guys are getting with
the 912's,it seems pretty equal to them...I will have test flight numbers up
here soon. I think the noise these things make are just the nature of the beast...pushers
are noisier and thats it.My M3X is already twice as good or better
than my 172 .I am really looking forword to the test flights!
chris ambrose
M3X/jab
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
I think the noise these things make are just the nature of the
beast...pushers are noisier and thats it.
>
> chris ambrose
Bruce Chesnut flew the Kolb Sport Flyer at Sun and Fun this year. As you
all know, it is a tractor powered with a 912uls and pulled along by a Warp
Drive 3 blade fast taper prop. The first flyby Bruce made I thought he had
the throttle pulled back to idle, but he was maintaining altitude and
airspeed. The Flyer was in stealth mode compared to a MKIII pusher. A
very, very quiet airplane.
However, there is a price to pay for stealth mode. That is a small
windshield, high glare shield, and always looking through the prop.
MKIII has extremely good visibility. Easy to get spoiled flying a Kolb
pusher.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: private message...Wade Lawacki.. |
Try the Firestar Forum...
Gotta Fly...
Buttercup - STOL - Aircraft
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Buttercup-STOL/
Firestar I&II - STOL - Aircraft
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kolb_Firestar/
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down...
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
Chris,
?After you get some time on it,you can work at the noise control.I'll share some
things that I tried that worked and some that didn't,maybe save you some time.I
like the Jabiru but for the prop noise.I can control it IN the cockpit,but
the neighbors are gonna have to live with it.
????????? Good luck with the test flying!
??????????????????????? G.Aman
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From: ces308 <ces308@ldaco.com>
Sent: Fri, 1 May 2009 4:51 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
Gary,
so far I am very impressed with the Jabiru I like the way it runs,its smooth
and seems quiet to me....and from hearing what these other guys are getting with
the 912's,it seems pretty equal to them...I will have test flight numbers up
here soon. I think the noise these things make are just the nature of the
beast...pushers are noisier and thats it.My M3X is already twice as good or
better than my 172 .I am really looking forword to the test flights!
chris ambrose
M3X/jab
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
John,
?? My friend has a Savanah 912uls IVO medium prop.The kit came from Italy and meets
European noise control standards.It is unbelievably quiet when it flies overhead.
??????????????????????? G.Aman
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From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Fri, 1 May 2009 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
?
I think the noise these things make are just the nature of the
beast...pushers are noisier and thats it.?
>?
> chris ambrose?
?
?
Bruce Chesnut flew the Kolb Sport Flyer at Sun and Fun this year. As you
all know, it is a tractor powered with a 912uls and pulled along by a Warp
Drive 3 blade fast taper prop. The first flyby Bruce made I thought he had
the throttle pulled back to idle, but he was maintaining altitude and
airspeed. The Flyer was in stealth mode compared to a MKIII pusher. A
very, very quiet airplane.?
?
However, there is a price to pay for stealth mode. That is a small
windshield, high glare shield, and always looking through the prop.?
?
MKIII has extremely good visibility. Easy to get spoiled flying a Kolb
pusher.?
?
john h?
mkIII ?
?
?
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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