---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/03/09: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:23 PM - Advice on headsets (Watkinsdw) 2. 01:38 PM - Re: Advice on headsets (John Hauck) 3. 01:45 PM - Re: Advice on headsets (lucien) 4. 07:07 PM - Re: Advice on headsets (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 5. 07:41 PM - Re: Advice on headsets (Ralph B) 6. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Advice on headsets (John Hauck) 7. 08:20 PM - Re: Advice on headsets (Larry Cottrell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:35 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Advice on headsets From: "Watkinsdw" Greetings from some new Kolbers, We finally got a break in the wind at Pompano (KPMP), and flew our new MK3C this Saturday. She flew like a (song)bird. I emphasize the "song" part, since she really put our ANR headsets through their paces. I have a pair of Bose X's and Jeff had a pair of Lightspeed 3G's. My Bose's helped, but I had difficulty understanding the tower over the still considerable level of noise after ANR filtered out the lethal levels. The 3G's periodically generated a 'buzzing' that sounded like low frequency feedback. He could get it to stop temporarily by cupping the earpieces with his hands. Any have a recommendation for headsets designed for this high-noise environment? I look forward to a spirited discussion on this issue... Thanks, Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242527#242527 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:52 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Advice on headsets > Any have a recommendation for headsets designed for this high-noise environment? > Dave I use a DRE-6000 ANR headset. Just bought my second one from Aircraft Spruce. Works well in my 912ULS powered mkIII. Aircraft Spruce and Specialty Co Request For Quotation Thank you for your request for quotation. We are pleased to offer the DRE 6000 ANR HEADSET, part number 11-00543 at $359.95 USD . Please let us know if there is anything else we can help you with. To order, return to Aircraft Spruce electronic order form and add part number 11-00543 to your shopping cart. The manufacturers minimum advertised price (MAP) will be displayed when you place your order, but our order processing server will change it to this quoted price when it sends your confirmation. DRE has a power supply you can buy for about $30.00 to wire into the aircraft battery. Will quickly pay for its self. I have been flying with the DRE-6000 headsets for about 5 years. I am nearly deaf. Had gotten to the point I could not understand what was being transmitted on my radio. The DRE-6000 fixed that. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:36 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Advice on headsets From: "lucien" Watkinsdw wrote: > Greetings from some new Kolbers, > > We finally got a break in the wind at Pompano (KPMP), and flew our new MK3C this Saturday. She flew like a (song)bird. I emphasize the "song" part, since she really put our ANR headsets through their paces. > > I have a pair of Bose X's and Jeff had a pair of Lightspeed 3G's. My Bose's helped, but I had difficulty understanding the tower over the still considerable level of noise after ANR filtered out the lethal levels. The 3G's periodically generated a 'buzzing' that sounded like low frequency feedback. He could get it to stop temporarily by cupping the earpieces with his hands. > > Any have a recommendation for headsets designed for this high-noise environment? > > I look forward to a spirited discussion on this issue... > > Thanks, > Dave I use the Telex stratus 50-D. It's far and away better at noise reduction than anything else I've ever used, because of the digital sampling nature of the ANR (it's not analogue). The passive NR is pretty good too but there's no better ANR on the market. I don't have to also use earplugs with it unlike my other headsets. It's expensive but a lot cheaper than a bunch of hearing loss ;). The microphone is also very high quality, so the tower will have a lot easier time hearing you with it too. LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242537#242537 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:36 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Advice on headsets Dave I have a set of Segtronics head sets that I put a Headsets ANR unit in. It works well but doesn't stop enough of my singing VW. Recently I added a Sony ear bud head set like they hook to MP3 players. They say they cancel noise (passive noise reduction) and they do some but paired (I ware them under the headsets) with my Sigtronics they work great. They stop just enough extra noise to be very comfortable but also have a very high quality speaker that makes radio transmission very understandable without having to crank the volume up. I also have a DRE intercom that helps by only opening the mike that brakes the squelch. I have flown with John H and had recently commented that his plane is very quiet. I may have misspoken it may have been His DRE headsets. It would seem that at least by the price that you would have the best headset going. Also I hate to mention it but make sure your squelch is set right. Kind of defeats the ANR when your intercom is boosting the noise your headset is trying to filter. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Watkinsdw" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Advice on headsets > > Greetings from some new Kolbers, > > We finally got a break in the wind at Pompano (KPMP), and flew our new > MK3C this Saturday. She flew like a (song)bird. I emphasize the "song" > part, since she really put our ANR headsets through their paces. > > I have a pair of Bose X's and Jeff had a pair of Lightspeed 3G's. My > Bose's helped, but I had difficulty understanding the tower over the still > considerable level of noise after ANR filtered out the lethal levels. The > 3G's periodically generated a 'buzzing' that sounded like low frequency > feedback. He could get it to stop temporarily by cupping the earpieces > with his hands. > > Any have a recommendation for headsets designed for this high-noise > environment? > > I look forward to a spirited discussion on this issue... > > Thanks, > Dave > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242527#242527 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:13 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Advice on headsets From: "Ralph B" I have a pair of Lightspeed 20XL's. They are ok, but on takeoff, it's hard to talk to your passenger with the noise. I've found a neat trick that makes them quiet like the expensive sets: use foam earplugs with the headsets and turn the volume up. Works great! Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 22 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 1 year flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242578#242578 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:27 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Advice on headsets > I have a pair of Lightspeed 20XL's. They are ok, but on takeoff, it's hard to talk to your passenger with the noise. I've found a neat trick that makes them quiet like the expensive sets: use foam earplugs with the headsets and turn the volume up. Works great! > > Ralph Unless you have already lost most of your hearing. I couldn't wear ear plugs with a flight helmet when I was in flight school in 1968. I just turned up the volume and I could hear good enough to get the job done. Now I am on the edge of my ability to hear well enough to understand the spoken word with the ANR headset. Next step will be to do a better job of keeping myself cleared visually, transmit in the blind, which we do at uncontrolled airports most of the time, and stay out of controlled air space when I must communicate. Might present a problem flying cross country through Canada. Any airport that has commercial traffic has a requirement to make radio communication. Had a bad radio going into Kamloops, BC. FSS could not understand my transmissions. Got my butt chewed out after I landed and was in the FBO. Made it the rest of the way to Oshkosh and then Alabama with receive only. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:10 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Advice on headsets It would seem that at least by the price that you would have the best headset going. Also I hate to mention it but make sure your squelch is set right. Kind of defeats the ANR when your intercom is boosting the noise your headset is trying to filter. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC I copied a page from my instruction manual for my DRE headsets that might be of interest to you and your David Clark set. The headsets are directional and are generally set -up for tractor configuration. You might try turning the headset around and put the mike on the other side of your face. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- "Mic Boom Placement and adjustment" Inside each ear cup are two microphones which are a critical part of the ENR circuit. These microphones must always be oriented towards the source of the noise ( Typically in the front in a single engine aircraft) for proper operation of the ENR system. You cannot rotate a left hand Mic Boom and turn it into a right hand Mic Boom as you would with a standard headset. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- I scanned the whole thing but the file is 4.9 MB and I didn't want to clog up everyone's computer with that kind of a file. For what its worth, I assume that you can just turn the whole headset over putting the mic on the right side and get much less noise. I tried my DRE both ways and still was not happy with the system. I have much better luck and the wife can understand a Sigtronics S45 headset with no ANR capabilities Larry C ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.