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1. 05:26 AM - Re: Re: MV trip BREAKFAST (Nelson, Craig)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: MV trip BREAKFAST (John Hauck)
3. 06:04 AM - Re: Monument Valley (John Hauck)
4. 06:44 AM - help with finding a bolt (cristalclear13)
5. 07:00 AM - Re: help with finding a bolt (John Hauck)
6. 07:06 AM - Re: help with finding a bolt (lucien)
7. 07:06 AM - Re: Monument Valley (Jon LaVasseur)
8. 07:08 AM - Re: help with finding a bolt (cristalclear13)
9. 07:08 AM - Re: help with finding a bolt (Herb)
10. 07:13 AM - Re: help with finding a bolt (Richard Girard)
11. 07:17 AM - Re: Monument Valley (Jon LaVasseur)
12. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: help with finding a bolt (John Hauck)
13. 07:27 AM - Re: Monument Valley (John Hauck)
14. 08:07 AM - Engine angle on the airframe mounts on a MKIII (Jason Omelchuck)
15. 08:49 AM - Re: Engine angle on the airframe mounts on a MKIII (John Hauck)
16. 09:19 AM - Re: Monument Valley (Larry Cottrell)
17. 09:19 AM - Re: help with finding a bolt (Larry Cottrell)
18. 09:27 AM - Re: help with finding a bolt (Herb)
19. 09:58 AM - Re: help with finding a bolt (lucien)
20. 10:02 AM - Re: Engine angle on the airframe mounts on a MKIII (Jason Omelchuck)
21. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Engine angle on the airframe mounts on a MKIII (John Hauck)
22. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: Engine angle on the airframe mounts on a MKIII (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
23. 11:30 AM - Re: help with finding a bolt (cristalclear13)
24. 03:12 PM - Re: Re: help with finding a bolt (robert bean)
25. 03:40 PM - Re: help with finding a bolt (Dana Hague)
26. 06:18 PM - M3X pictures,numbers (ces308)
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| Subject: | Re: MV trip BREAKFAST |
We'll start early whenever u are ready eggs cooked to order taters
pancakes and stuff... a friend of mine and his buddy will either be
there in a titan and a rands or a bulldog they will be in charge of
coffee. As of now tim will be there with his plane..he just started a
new job and we will see if he can make it as of today he will be there
with the firestar
Craig Nelson AAS CDT
Technical Manager
Heraeus
300 Heraeus Way
South Bend, IN.
46614
Direct: 623-764-0680
Craig.Nelson@heraeus.com
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: MV trip BREAKFAST
Also Sat morning tim and I will serve the biggest
> Arizona Utah, breakfast for every one down by the planes.
> Uncle craig
I'll be there Saturday morning.
What time?
Will you also have hot coffee?
Is Tim bringing his FS?
I know you will have the MKIIIx.
When are you all planning to arrive MV?
See you all there.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: MV trip BREAKFAST |
As of now tim will be there with his plane..he just started a
> new job and we will see if he can make it as of today he will be there
> with the firestar
>
> Craig Nelson AAS CDT
Sounds good.
Anxious to see Tim's FS.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
> We expect to fly out of Minneapolis on Tuesday or Wednesday next week but
won't have the red Firestar this time. I'm bringing a friend who wouldn't
fit in the back.
> Jon L
Jon:
What are you all flying to MV?
Looking forward to seeing you all.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | help with finding a bolt |
Hi. If someone would have some extra time (which I seem to be lacking this week)
could I get some help finding a bolt? A friend of mine discovered that one
of the six bolts holding my prop on was broken as he was looking my plane over.
The company that makes my wooden prop is no longer in business or I would call
them. We can't find the bolt at any local stores here. My friend measured it
and says I need 8m x 90mm long with standard 1.25 thread. The bolt needs 25mm
of thread.
I won't even be able to get to the airport until Saturday and was hoping to get
a head start on finding a replacement.
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: help with finding a bolt |
> The company that makes my wooden prop is no longer in business or I would
call them. We can't find the bolt at any local stores here. My friend
measured it and says I need 8m x 90mm long with standard 1.25 thread. The
bolt needs 25mm of thread.
> Cristal Waters
I'm probably not going to be much help.
Waycross should have a "fastener" store that carries nuts and bolts,
washers, pop rivets, etc.
If you have time take one of the good bolts with you to match the new one.
I get all my 8mm prop bolts from a fastener store in Montgomery, AL.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: help with finding a bolt |
cristalclear13 wrote:
> Hi. If someone would have some extra time (which I seem to be lacking this week)
could I get some help finding a bolt? A friend of mine discovered that one
of the six bolts holding my prop on was broken as he was looking my plane over.
>
> The company that makes my wooden prop is no longer in business or I would call
them. We can't find the bolt at any local stores here. My friend measured
it and says I need 8m x 90mm long with standard 1.25 thread. The bolt needs
25mm of thread.
>
> I won't even be able to get to the airport until Saturday and was hoping to get
a head start on finding a replacement.
Heh, I just got through with an exercise like this.
First, before you do anything else, try to find out why the bolt broke in the first
place? Broken prop bolts are a dangerous symptom (why I've been so worried
about the harmonics problem I've been having with my WD).
Next, try a Fastenal if there's one in your area, you probably need something like
this:
http://www.fastenal.com/web/products/detail.ex?sku=39128&ucst=t
Don't bother trying to find an aircraft grade metric bolt in the US - no such animal.
Generally, grade 8.8 (which corresponds to grade 5 in English sized bolts)
has the ductility you need for prop bolts.
5/16" are virtually the same as M8 diameter-wise, but the normal national coarse
thread won't work in a 1.25 threaded 8mm hole (so if you attach to the flange
with backing nuts only, 5/16" are a suitable substitute).
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
Hi Larry,=0A=0AI have the tent up in my living room (Kathy really likes tha
t)..........but I won't be carrying much beside cookies, hint, hint. :-)-
Are driving or bringing the HSK machine?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________
_____________=0AFrom: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>=0ATo: kolb-li
st@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 11:06:41 PM=0ASubject: Re:
Kolb-List: Monument Valley=0A=0A=0ALooking forward to seeing you there in p
erson. Practice putting up your tent before you get there though. :-)=0ALar
ry C=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: help with finding a bolt |
John Hauck wrote:
>
> I'm probably not going to be much help.
>
> Waycross should have a "fastener" store that carries nuts and bolts,
> washers, pop rivets, etc.
>
> If you have time take one of the good bolts with you to match the new one.
>
> I get all my 8mm prop bolts from a fastener store in Montgomery, AL.
>
> john h
> mkIII
Thanks John. Maybe I can break away from work for a bit and try that. We do have
a store called Fastenal.
Looks like you are getting some pretty good storms this morning? Which day do
you plan to leave for MV?
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: help with finding a bolt |
Advanced Auto stocks some Metric bolts..and they likely can have them
in overnight.. Herb
At 08:57 AM 5/7/2009, you wrote:
>
>
> > The company that makes my wooden prop is no longer in business or
> I would call them. We can't find the bolt at any local stores
> here. My friend measured it and says I need 8m x 90mm long with
> standard 1.25 thread. The bolt needs 25mm of thread.
>
>
> > Cristal Waters
>
>
>I'm probably not going to be much help.
>
>Waycross should have a "fastener" store that carries nuts and bolts,
>washers, pop rivets, etc.
>
>If you have time take one of the good bolts with you to match the new one.
>
>I get all my 8mm prop bolts from a fastener store in Montgomery, AL.
>
>john h
>mkIII
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>05/06/09 17:58:00
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| Subject: | Re: help with finding a bolt |
If you can't find them locally, McMaster Carr has them. Part No. 91280A560,
but you have to buy a lifetime supply (25) at about 50 cents each.
Rick
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:44 AM, cristalclear13 <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com
> wrote:
> cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
>
> Hi. If someone would have some extra time (which I seem to be lacking this
> week) could I get some help finding a bolt? A friend of mine discovered
> that one of the six bolts holding my prop on was broken as he was looking my
> plane over.
>
> The company that makes my wooden prop is no longer in business or I would
> call them. We can't find the bolt at any local stores here. My friend
> measured it and says I need 8m x 90mm long with standard 1.25 thread. The
> bolt needs 25mm of thread.
>
> I won't even be able to get to the airport until Saturday and was hoping to
> get a head start on finding a replacement.
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
> Kolb Mark II Twinstar
> Rotax 503 DCSI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243011#243011
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
Hi John,
Hoped you wouldn't ask after your little altercation, at the gas pump, with the
big shot pilot in the glossy, glass paneled, 100 mph sport plane. :-) We are
flying an older European model of the CT2k but it doesn't have any glass panels
and you already know I am no hot shot pilot. Maybe I can find a parking place
out of sight. :-)
Jon:
What are you all flying to MV?
Looking forward to seeing you all.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: help with finding a bolt |
> Thanks John. Maybe I can break away from work for a bit and try that.
We do have a store called Fastenal.
>
> Looks like you are getting some pretty good storms this morning? Which
> day do you plan to leave for MV?
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
Fastenal will have exactly what you are looking for.
I don't think you need to be too alarmed with a broken prop bolt on a 503.
I remember breaking my share of them on my 447 with wooden prop. I have
also broken a couple over the years on the 912 engines. Never have found
out why, except the will break occasionally.
We have been getting beat up with thunderstorms, heavy rain, and wind for
three days. Hoping it will all blow out of here by next Tuesday morning
when I leave for Sherman, TX.
Looks like we will have four mkIII's and a J5 Cub meeting at Sherman for the
flight out to Los Lunas, NM, and Monument Valley. From MV we intend to fly
up to Oregon and spend a few days with Larry and Karen Cottrell. We will
pick up Mike Marker and his RANS S-18 for that part of the flight. There
are some other folks that may fly if they can get their work schedule and
aircraft problems sorted out.
Looks like we are going to have a good Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin,
Monument Valley, for the seventh consecutive year. Wish all of you could be
with us next week.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
> Hoped you wouldn't ask after your little altercation, at the gas pump,
with the big shot pilot in the glossy, glass paneled, 100 mph sport plane.
:-) We are flying an older European model of the CT2k but it doesn't have
any glass panels and you already know I am no hot shot pilot. Maybe I can
find a parking place out of sight. :-)
>
> Jon:
Don't think we will have any problems like that at MV. ;-)
Most of the "other" airplane guys that have wandered in to Gouldings while
we were there have been extra nice, curious about our aircraft, where we
flew from, etc.
john h
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| Subject: | Engine angle on the airframe mounts on a MKIII |
Hello All,
I have checked the archives extensively and found some useful information
but I would like to take a poll.
In reference to the engine mounts on the airframe of a MKIIIC, what angle
does your engine sit at. Does the engine sit flat (parallel) on the mounts?
Are there any spacers or engine mount holes that make the front of the
engine sit higher or lower on the airframe mount. I Know the effect that
engine angle has on yaw trim, I just wanted to see where other people landed
on the engine mount.
Jason
MKIIIC
BMW engine
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| Subject: | Re: Engine angle on the airframe mounts on a MKIII |
Jason:
Over the years I have experimented with changing engine attitude in
pitch and yaw. I did this with my FS and MKIIIc.
Results indicated it was not worth the effort of screwing up good engine
mounts.
I believe the stock engine position is as good as it gets.
I have also experimented with off setting the leading edge of the upper
vertical stabilizer in order to help control adverse yaw. Again, was
not worth the holes I had to drill in the tailboom to conduct my
experiment. I found the best solution was to use the appropriate size
rudder trim tab set at the correct angle.
Interesting to note, the new Kolb MKIIIx I tested last year ended up
with an identical size and shape rudder trim tab as on my much older
MKIIIc.
I do like to get the engine as low in the mounts as I can to help offset
some of the adverse pitch down caused by a high thrust line on a pusher.
The leading edge of my horizontal stabilizer is somewhat lower than what
the plans called for. Where I have mine set now is where my mkIII flies
best. Up or down from this position causes the mkIII to act like it is
trying to balance on a ball. Was difficult to keep it in a good cruise
attitude. Nose would either want to drop or climb. Would be hard to
fly all day in that condition.
john h
mkIII
In reference to the engine mounts on the airframe of a MKIIIC, what
angle does your engine sit at. Does the engine sit flat (parallel) on
the mounts? Are there any spacers or engine mount holes that make the
front of the engine sit higher or lower on the airframe mount. I Know
the effect that engine angle has on yaw trim, I just wanted to see where
other people landed on the engine mount.
Jason
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
driving this time, quicker and easier all around. I am dieting now so
that I can give it my best shot.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon LaVasseur
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
Hi Larry,
I have the tent up in my living room (Kathy really likes
that)..........but I won't be carrying much beside cookies, hint, hint.
:-) Are driving or bringing the HSK machine?
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From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 11:06:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
Looking forward to seeing you there in person. Practice putting up
your tent before you get there though. :-)
Larry C
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| Subject: | Re: help with finding a bolt |
Cristal,
The only place that I could find metric bolts of that size was at a
John Deere tractor supply.
Larry C
----- Original Message -----
From: cristalclear13
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:44 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: help with finding a bolt
<cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
Hi. If someone would have some extra time (which I seem to be lacking
this week) could I get some help finding a bolt? A friend of mine
discovered that one of the six bolts holding my prop on was broken as he
was looking my plane over.
The company that makes my wooden prop is no longer in business or I
would call them. We can't find the bolt at any local stores here. My
friend measured it and says I need 8m x 90mm long with standard 1.25
thread. The bolt needs 25mm of thread.
I won't even be able to get to the airport until Saturday and was
hoping to get a head start on finding a replacement.
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: help with finding a bolt |
one last time... :-)
Advanced Auto sold me metric bolts of correct
length...8.8s... try them...Herb
At 11:03 AM 5/7/2009, you wrote:
>Cristal,
> The only place that I could find metric bolts of that size was
> at a John Deere tractor supply.
>Larry C
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>cristalclear13
>To: <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>kolb-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:44 AM
>Subject: Kolb-List: help with finding a bolt
>
><<mailto:cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
>
>Hi. If someone would have some extra time (which I seem to be
>lacking this week) could I get some help finding a bolt? A friend
>of mine discovered that one of the six bolts holding my prop on was
>broken as he was looking my plane over.
>
>The company that makes my wooden prop is no longer in business or I
>would call them. We can't find the bolt at any local stores
>here. My friend measured it and says I need 8m x 90mm long with
>standard 1.25 thread. The bolt needs 25mm of thread.
>
>I won't even be able to get to the airport until Saturday and was
>hoping to get a head start on finding a replacement.
>
>--------
>Cristal Waters
>Kolb Mark II Twinstar
>Rotax 503 DCSI
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
><http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243011#243011>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243011#243011
>
>
>http://www.matronicp; via the Web
>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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>05/07/09 05:57:00
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| Subject: | Re: help with finding a bolt |
John Hauck wrote:
> > Thanks John. Maybe I can break away from work for a bit and try that.
> We do have a store called Fastenal.
>
> >
> > Looks like you are getting some pretty good storms this morning? Which
> > day do you plan to leave for MV?
> >
> > --------
> > Cristal Waters
> >
> >
>
>
> Fastenal will have exactly what you are looking for.
>
> I don't think you need to be too alarmed with a broken prop bolt on a 503.
> I remember breaking my share of them on my 447 with wooden prop. I have
> also broken a couple over the years on the 912 engines. Never have found
> out why, except the will break occasionally.
>
> We have been getting beat up with thunderstorms, heavy rain, and wind for
> three days. Hoping it will all blow out of here by next Tuesday morning
> when I leave for Sherman, TX.
>
> Looks like we will have four mkIII's and a J5 Cub meeting at Sherman for the
> flight out to Los Lunas, NM, and Monument Valley. From MV we intend to fly
> up to Oregon and spend a few days with Larry and Karen Cottrell. We will
> pick up Mike Marker and his RANS S-18 for that part of the flight. There
> are some other folks that may fly if they can get their work schedule and
> aircraft problems sorted out.
>
> Looks like we are going to have a good Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin,
> Monument Valley, for the seventh consecutive year. Wish all of you could be
> with us next week.
>
> john h
> mkIII
I may have too much time pressure to make the trip, but if I do it'll probably
be crack of dawn Fri. morning then return crack of dawn Sat.
I'm not optimistic about the winds either, we've had a late spring here and 15G25
is pretty calm......
Get-back-itis may be the main hazard (have to be in office Mon. morning or else),
so my plans are tentative at this point.....
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: Engine angle on the airframe mounts on a MKIII |
Thanks John,
Can you tell me if the "stock" position is with the engine parallel (or the prop
perpendicular) to the mounts on the airframe or does "stock" mean that the front
of the engine is raised or lowered some per the factory instructions.
Jason
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| Subject: | Re: Engine angle on the airframe mounts on a MKIII |
> Can you tell me if the "stock" position is with the engine parallel (or
the prop perpendicular) to the mounts on the airframe or does "stock" mean
that the front of the engine is raised or lowered some per the factory
instructions.
>
> Jason
Jason:
On my mkIII the line of thrust is parallel with the stock engine mounts, and
as low as I could get the 912 and still have a little clearance to keep from
hitting the large root tube during flight.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Engine angle on the airframe mounts on a MKIII |
Jason
I have played around a bit on engine positions and I agree with John, it
doesn't seem to make any difference. From a purely theoretical view it would
seem the best thrust line would be having the line of thrust pushing
straight forward in cruise. Allowing for a few degrees of angle of attack
for the wing to maintain altitude, I set my line of thrust 2-4 degrees down
from parallel with the bottom line of the wing. Or 2-4 degrees prop up,
front of engine down. I had to do this because I had cut to stock engine
mount off the airframe to be able to lower the engine. Yes the lower the
thrust line the better. This makes a real big difference.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:01 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Engine angle on the airframe mounts on a MKIII
>
> Thanks John,
>
> Can you tell me if the "stock" position is with the engine parallel (or
> the prop perpendicular) to the mounts on the airframe or does "stock" mean
> that the front of the engine is raised or lowered some per the factory
> instructions.
>
> Jason
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243042#243042
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: help with finding a bolt |
John Hauck wrote:
>
> Fastenal will have exactly what you are looking for.
>
>
Thank you all for your responses. Fastenal will order them and get them here by
Monday.
Thanks! :D
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: help with finding a bolt |
Fastenal had the equivalent of the fabric rivets when I was building
my (left) wing. Nice to walk in and walk out with what you need today.
BB
On 7, May 2009, at 2:29 PM, cristalclear13 wrote:
> <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
>
>
> John Hauck wrote:
>>
>> Fastenal will have exactly what you are looking for.
>>
>>
>
>
> Thank you all for your responses. Fastenal will order them and get
> them here by Monday.
>
> Thanks! :D
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
> Kolb Mark II Twinstar
> Rotax 503 DCSI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243050#243050
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: help with finding a bolt |
At 09:44 AM 5/7/2009, cristalclear13 wrote:
><cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
>
>Hi. If someone would have some extra time (which I seem to be lacking
>this week) could I get some help finding a bolt? A friend of mine
>discovered that one of the six bolts holding my prop on was broken as he
>was looking my plane over.
>
>The company that makes my wooden prop is no longer in business or I would
>call them. We can't find the bolt at any local stores here. My friend
>measured it and says I need 8m x 90mm long with standard 1.25
>thread. The bolt needs 25mm of thread.
McMaster <http://mcmaster.com> has it.
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| Subject: | M3X pictures,numbers |
Hello all....was up again this evening...picture was taken at 3000,cruising at
2780 rpm's at about 82 mph...other numbers, in case you are have no idea of what
the other numbers are ,here it goes..
rpm egt egt
oil temp/press cht cht
climb at 60 mph according to my gps was between 1600-1800 fpm.I have not tried
it with a stop watch yet.
chris ambrose
m3x/jabiru a-2200
N327CS
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