---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/11/09: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:57 AM - Re: Generac V-twin questions for Jimmy (Jimmy Young) 2. 06:40 AM - Re: Which Monument valley? (b young) 3. 06:52 AM - Re: Which Monument valley? (loseyf@comcast.net) 4. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: Which Monument valley? (Ron) 5. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: Which Monument valley? (John Hauck) 6. 01:36 PM - Re: Need Rotax 912 (Nelson, Craig) 7. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: Which Monument valley? (Ron) 8. 06:46 PM - Re: M3X pictures,numbers (ces308) 9. 07:10 PM - Re: Need Rotax 912 (Denny Rowe) 10. 07:42 PM - Re: M3X pictures,numbers (JetPilot) 11. 07:42 PM - Re: MV (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 12. 07:48 PM - Re: MV (John Hauck) 13. 07:48 PM - Re: M3X pictures,numbers (ces308) 14. 08:12 PM - Re: MV (ElleryWeld@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:01 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Generac V-twin questions for Jimmy From: "Jimmy Young" John Tempest wrote: >>I was reading about you experimenting with a prop swap. Are you still using the big prop or did you go back to the IVO? Did the higher static thrust translate to better climb performance?>You posted that the larger wood prop that Valley supplied gave alot more static thrust than the IVO and you were optimistic about improved flight performance. -------- Jimmy Young FS II, Generac V-Twin Houston TX area Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243511#243511 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0418_195.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:03 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Which Monument valley? There are 3 Monument valleys that Google Earth shows, two are in Arizona close to me and one is in Utah. >>>>>>>>>>.. Don't know about 3 monument valleys,,,, we will be going to an area between 4 corners and lake powell. Right on the ut,az border. N 37 12.007 W 110 12.049 or there about. The airport is on most maps but because it is private some gps's don't gave it in the database. Do not archive. Boyd ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Which Monument valley? From: loseyf@comcast.net Boy I sure hope to make this trip next year...absolutely my best vacation ever with the family was Lake Powell, Bryce and Zion 7 years ago! Enjoy everyone and I hope someone posts pictures. Is there a date for next year yet? ------Original Message------ From: b young Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: May 11, 2009 9:38 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Which Monument valley? There are 3 Monument valleys that Google Earth shows, two are in Arizona close to me and one is in Utah. >>>>>>>>>>.. Don't know about 3 monument valleys,,,, we will be going to an area between 4 corners and lake powell. Right on the ut,az border. N 37 12.007 W 110 12.049 or there about. The airport is on most maps but because it is private some gps's don't gave it in the database. Do not archive. Boyd Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:36 AM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Which Monument valley? Well it looks like a decent size airport. I guess it will take me about 3 hours to get up there from KFHU. When is the Fly In going to start? Or is everybody there already? Ron @ KFHU ======================= ---- John Bickham wrote: ============ Captain Ron, This answer is both. The airport is at Goulding's Trading Post which has its own runway. There is a hotel, camping area, restaurant, resort, and gas/covenience store. Identifier is UT25. Goulding's is located just north of the state line. You cross the the main highway to the access road to the actual MV entrance. You cross into Arizona on the access road. See if this link works: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=109382781684764239070.00046888291f1d812053d&ll=34.705493,-97.646484&spn=13.115717,28.476562&t=h&z=6 http://www.airnav.com/airport/UT25 Note: land to south, TO to north (up against butte) Been there by car. This will be first time by air. Excited! Hope this is helpful. -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA Landing a plane and being married - a few smooth moments mixed with a lot of rough ones. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243499#243499 -- kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:52 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Which Monument valley? > Well it looks like a decent size airport. I guess it will take me about 3 > hours to get up there from KFHU. When is the Fly In going to start? > Or is everybody there already? > > > Ron @ KFHU Should be able to land on 4,000 feet of pavement. Us Kolbers liked it better when it was still dirt, except for a very short part on the south end. Most of us try to get there Thursday, 14 May. The official dates of the Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin is Friday, 15 May through Sunday 17 May. I know of a dozen or so folks that are not there already. I leave in the morning. Takes me about 20 hours flight time over a period of 2.5 days. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:57 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Need Rotax 912 From: "Nelson, Craig" I know of a 912 that is for sale that has just been completely gone through by a dealer and the price is right Uncle craig Don't archive Craig Nelson AAS CDT Technical Manager Heraeus 300 Heraeus Way South Bend, IN. 46614 Direct: 623-764-0680 Craig.Nelson@heraeus.com P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark rinehart Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 5:44 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Need Rotax 912 I'm looking for a low time Rotax 912UL or ULS for my Kolb MarkIII project. I'm also watching Barnstormers.com. If you have a Rotax 912 for sale or know someone who might please let me know. Thanks. Mark Rinehart ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:34 PM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Which Monument valley? Well have a good flight, and try not to fly below and behined a big flock of Canada Geese. Most likely I'll drop in sometime late this week, ain't sure when. Ron @ KFHU ========================= ---- John Hauck wrote: ============ > Well it looks like a decent size airport. I guess it will take me about 3 > hours to get up there from KFHU. When is the Fly In going to start? > Or is everybody there already? > > > Ron @ KFHU Should be able to land on 4,000 feet of pavement. Us Kolbers liked it better when it was still dirt, except for a very short part on the south end. Most of us try to get there Thursday, 14 May. The official dates of the Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin is Friday, 15 May through Sunday 17 May. I know of a dozen or so folks that are not there already. I leave in the morning. Takes me about 20 hours flight time over a period of 2.5 days. john h mkIII -- kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:20 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: M3X pictures,numbers From: "ces308" Hello all... Well...I had her up again today..made 1 take off with no flaps and it took about 250 feet to get off and climbed at 60-65 mph IAS at 1745 feet per minute. One notch does get you off faster. chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru A-2200 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243639#243639 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:06 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Need Rotax 912 how right? > I know of a 912 that is for sale that has just been completely gone > through by a dealer and the price is right > Uncle craig > Don't archive > > Craig Nelson AAS CDT > Technical Manager > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:11 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: M3X pictures,numbers From: "JetPilot" pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: > Flaps do reduce stall, but they add more drag than anything, so you will > be higher more quickly without flaps on > > > takeoff. >> > > > > > > Where did you get that from?. Try looking out of the window on takeoff next > time you are on a trip.Well, well, well Just look. They have the flaps down. > I wonder why they do that? > > Pat Maybe you do not realize this Pat, but have been an airline pilot for many years, I know where the flaps are when I takeoff in an airliner as I set them myself and have an indicator that tells me exactly where they are [Wink] To answer your question as to Why do we always use flaps for takeoff in an airliner, because there are tire limit speeds which we would be exceeded on takeoff without flaps, any runway under 15,000 feet long would be to short for takeoff in an airliner without flaps, and because takeoff without flaps is prohibited on this class of airplane. None of these is an issue with small propeller driven airplanes most people here fly, so the procedure that works for a 200,000 airplane is not the same as a Kolb or a Cessna... Even in a Jet Airliner we use the minimum flaps we can for takeoff, unless the runway is very short, Icy, or other special consideration in which case we use more. The less flaps we use for takeoff, the safer we are and the better our performance is... Even in the airliners I fly, climb and performance increases a LOT up as soon as the flaps are retracted which is something we do as soon as speed permits. The appropriate use of flaps is something that every pilot should know and it is worth taking the time to study. In small Cessnas and Kolbs, takeoff on a short, soft, or even rough runway, one notch of flaps is desirable to get the tires off the runway as soon as possible. You will pay a big price for getting off the ground sooner though with much reduced performance and climb until they are retracted. In a Kolb that accelerates like a slingshot, if you get the flaps retracted very quickly after getting off the ground, you will have a very small performance hit, maybe so small that it is not even noticeable. If you leave the flaps down for your climb to 1000 feet, you will be sacrificing a lot of performance. Flaps down does bring you off the ground quicker, and lowers your stall speed, but they also degrade your performance in the vast majority of airplanes. For takeoff on normal runways with adequate length, zero flaps is the best procedure for the airplanes we fly. With Zero flaps your: Rate of climb will be higher You will be climbing at a faster speed which gives you more time to react in case of engine failure. You will bleed speed less quickly in event of an engine failure. You will glide better in the event of an engine failure. If you have an engine failure at a the same point in time after takeoff with no flaps, you will be higher when it happens, which gives you more options. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243652#243652 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:51 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV I would make it one of my plans to attend the MV Gathering if I didn't live at the other end of the Country in Maine Ellery in Maine In a message dated 5/10/2009 10:38:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, by0ung@brigham.net writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" I encourage everyone that has a true interest in Kolbs to make the effort to join us. Come as you are: fly, drive, or walk. john h mkIII - One day and a wake up! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't think I would encourage walking,,, long way between watering holes. Boyd Do not archive. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! Excfooter51109NO62) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:15 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV Be a nice flight though. john h - On same side of the country as you are. I would make it one of my plans to attend the MV Gathering if I didn't live at the other end of the Country in Maine Ellery in Maine ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: M3X pictures,numbers From: "ces308" .......Valid..... chris ambrose m3x/jab Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243656#243656 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:34 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV Go a bit further, and way North, its a jont just to get out of newengland from here Ellery In a message dated 5/11/2009 10:48:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: Be a nice flight though. john h - On same side of the country as you are. I would make it one of my plans to attend the MV Gathering if I didn't live at the other end of the Country in Maine Ellery in Maine (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! 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