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1. 03:43 AM - Re: Re: M3X pictures,numbers (pj.ladd)
2. 06:36 AM - Re: M3X pictures,numbers (lucien)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: M3X pictures,numbers (robert bean)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: M3X pictures,numbers (pj.ladd)
5. 09:21 AM - Re: M3X pictures,numbers (lucien)
6. 09:35 AM - Re: Gaggle of 5 in Sherman, TX (JetPilot)
7. 12:35 PM - Re: Gaggle of 5 in Sherman, TX (lucien)
8. 05:25 PM - Re: Gaggle of 5 in Sherman, TX (JetPilot)
9. 05:31 PM - Re: Gaggle of 5 in Sherman, TX (JetPilot)
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| Subject: | Re: M3X pictures,numbers |
In the titan, it's literally more than 20mph slower than Vx, with enough
back elevator I can get off the ground at somewhere between 40 and 45, even
slower if I use about 10 degs of flaps.>>
Hi,
I am not familiar with a Titan but I had the idea that it was tricycle u/c.
like the Challenger. If that is true then comparison with the Kolb is
invidious. Up elevator on a Kolb on the ground as you know is a waste of
time.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: M3X pictures,numbers |
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
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> Hi,
> I am not familiar with a Titan but I had the idea that it was tricycle u/c.
> like the Challenger. If that is true then comparison with the Kolb is
> invidious. Up elevator on a Kolb on the ground as you know is a waste of
> time.
>
> Pat
Wasn't a waste of time in my FSII. Soft-field techique worked just fine for me
in it, I could get off the ground at very low speeds, just a little after the
ASI started indicating if I'm recalling correctly. I just kept the tailwheel glued
to the ground and lifted off in a 3-point atitude.
I recall no struggling just above stall doing it this way, it flew fine in GE at
very low speeds. Slowly relaxing back pressure on the stick to stay in GE until
fast enough to go ahead and climb out..... Worked fine.....
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: M3X pictures,numbers |
If I try to force my MkIII off with full back stick it doesn't like
it. There is nothing gained,
it feels lousy and puts unnecessary stress on the tailwheel assembly.
I ease it off with neutral stick, getting into ground effect to pick
up a decent climb speed.
Be gentle with your bird on the ground.
BB
do not archive
On 15, May 2009, at 9:35 AM, lucien wrote:
>
>
> pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am not familiar with a Titan but I had the idea that it was
>> tricycle u/c.
>> like the Challenger. If that is true then comparison with the Kolb is
>> invidious. Up elevator on a Kolb on the ground as you know is a
>> waste of
>> time.
>>
>> Pat
>
>
> Wasn't a waste of time in my FSII. Soft-field techique worked just
> fine for me in it, I could get off the ground at very low speeds,
> just a little after the ASI started indicating if I'm recalling
> correctly. I just kept the tailwheel glued to the ground and lifted
> off in a 3-point atitude.
>
> I recall no struggling just above stall doing it this way, it flew
> fine in GE at very low speeds. Slowly relaxing back pressure on the
> stick to stay in GE until fast enough to go ahead and climb
> out..... Worked fine.....
>
> LS
>
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> LS
> Titan II SS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244121#244121
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: M3X pictures,numbers |
( UP elevator when on the ground)Wasn't a waste of time in my FSII.>>
Of course it was.
A plane changes course by pushing the tail in the opposite direction in
exactly the same way that a boats rudder works. To move up in a plane you
force the tail down. To go port in a boat you push the stern to starboard.
That is why putting the helm over when you are against the harbour wall
doesnt work, and holding the tail on the ground doesn`t work erither.
Of course there comes a point when the AoA eventually produces enough lift
to get airborne but holding the tail down hasn`t contributed anything. It
does ensure of course that you get into the air the moment you have enough
speed, and in CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES that may be desirable. I don`t usually
want to do that, I like speed in hand by the time I leave the ground
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: M3X pictures,numbers |
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
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> Of course it was.
>
> A plane changes course by pushing the tail in the opposite direction in
> exactly the same way that a boats rudder works. To move up in a plane you
> force the tail down. To go port in a boat you push the stern to starboard.
> That is why putting the helm over when you are against the harbour wall
> doesnt work, and holding the tail on the ground doesn`t work erither.
>
> Of course there comes a point when the AoA eventually produces enough lift
> to get airborne but holding the tail down hasn`t contributed anything. It
> does ensure of course that you get into the air the moment you have enough
> speed, and in CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES that may be desirable. I don`t usually
> want to do that, I like speed in hand by the time I leave the ground
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
Well at this point, and I don't mean to be condescending, but I'd suggest that
you get some dual from an instructor focussing on soft-field takeoff techniques.
You're describing as hazardous and useless a mode of flight that is neither and
has been employed successfully in fixed-wing aircraft for ages for soft-field
ops.
It also works as intended in the Kolb just as it does in any other fixed wing airplane
(including trikes) - Kolbs do fine soft-field t/o's without any of the
drawbacks you're mentioning here.
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: Gaggle of 5 in Sherman, TX |
lucien wrote:
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> ces308 wrote:
> > Thank for the up date !.looking forward to them all !
> >
> > blue skies and tail winds,
> > chris ambrose
> > m3x/jab
>
>
> Wait till ya'll get to NM.... how about 20G40 out of the SW and every day until,
oh, probably mid June..... ;(
>
> LS
They might be a little late to the fly in if this is the case ;) I don't know
if I could even taxi my Kolb in that kind of wind, not to mention flying ! Are
you going Lucien ???
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Gaggle of 5 in Sherman, TX |
JetPilot wrote:
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> lucien wrote:
> >
> > ces308 wrote:
> > > Thank for the up date !.looking forward to them all !
> > >
> > > blue skies and tail winds,
> > > chris ambrose
> > > m3x/jab
> >
> >
> > Wait till ya'll get to NM.... how about 20G40 out of the SW and every day until,
oh, probably mid June..... ;(
> >
> > LS
>
>
> They might be a little late to the fly in if this is the case ;) I don't know
if I could even taxi my Kolb in that kind of wind, not to mention flying !
Are you going Lucien ???
>
> Mike
Now it doesn't look like it, it'd be more of a survival exercise now than a fun
relaxing trip. Have to be at office Mon. am or else, get-back-itis, fighting
gale force winds and dust devils due to same.... nah, not my idea of fun ;)
Dennis and I are going to try to make some local trips tho when we have time and
weather. I"m now an 80mph airplane with the new powerfin (but a climb monster!)
so I can fly a lot easier at Mark II/III speeds now.....
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: Gaggle of 5 in Sherman, TX |
Looks like they made it. John B posted this picture on his blog. There are lots
of good pictures there, its well worth looking at:
http://www.kolbadventures.blogspot.com/
13 Kolbs
1 Cub
2 Rans
2 General A's
Wish I was there !
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Gaggle of 5 in Sherman, TX |
Pictures attached...
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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