---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/23/09: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:42 AM - older firestar (Ted Cowan) 2. 05:38 AM - Re: older firestar (Mike Welch) 3. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley (b young) 4. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley (loseyf@comcast.net) 5. 10:42 AM - Final at Monument Valley (dalewhelan) 6. 06:44 PM - Bing Carb Problem FYI (Jim Kmet) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:32 AM PST US From: "Ted Cowan" Subject: Kolb-List: older firestar I am again going to chime in and mention something about SS rivets. If this is an older Firestar, five rib, etc., you have better check the size and thickness of the tubing. The older firestars had really thin tubing on the leading and trailing edges. Now, it is my opinion (my opinion AND experience) that if you are the first one to drill the holes, they are nice and tight and MIGHT hold a SS rivet but you will really suffer if you have to repair damage or recover later. If it is a repair job, the holes have been reamed out by drilling or possibly someone used an oversized drill (this was recommended way back when) to facilitate rivet installation, your SS rivets might crack the holes, pull through or not even pop when installed. (you are going to hate yourself in the morning). If you are going to keep the bird in a hanger or trailer or whatever, the rivets are going to only get minimal exposure to moister. Some of the builders put anti rust stuff on the rivets before covering (if they were flying over water) and I think that might be a good idea. Again, if you pull SS rivets on these lightweight tubes, you are looking and are going to find trouble. A bunch of you who have not rebuild a dozen of these crafts in the last ten or twelve years, are going to resist or say bull s____t but, I am telling you, dislike materials dont like each other to begin with, i.e., steel (SS) rivets vs very thin alum.and you know what, alum usually looses. My opinion. By the way, these suggestions were passed on to me by Dennis S. back when I was a nubie at this. I have never had one come apart. Up to you. Hope you have a great time. By the way, eliminating the silver undercoat UV protectant-filler, you can save a ton of money and weight and use the UV protection you add to the poly tone paint. Call Dolly and she can explain it to you. Works for me. Lots of ways to save money and weight for the ole five ribber. Have a great weekend. Thanks for the pics of MV. Gotta do that some day. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Slingshot, 912, zoom zoom. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:31 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: older firestar >Call Dolly and she > can explain it to you. Works for me. Lots of ways to save money and weigh t > for the ole five ribber. Have a great weekend. Thanks for the pics of MV. > Gotta do that some day. Ted Cowan=2C Alabama=2C Slingshot=2C 912=2C zoom zoom. Ted=2C No argumment with your rivet experience or beliefs=2C but respectfully=2C the lovely lady's name is Dondi=2C not Dolly. Unless=2C of course=2C we w ere talking about Parton. She's lovely=2C too. To clear matters up=2C were you making the point that we should use alumi num rivets=2C instead of SS rivets? I recently bought a huge supply of SS rivets=2C specifically for attaching my ailerons and flaps. Is it your opi nion that a guy should just use aluminum ones? Mike Welch MkIII _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut orial_QuickAdd1_052009 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:17 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley Is there a date for 2010 yet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every year it has been the weekend after mothers day. Boyd Young ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley From: loseyf@comcast.net Thank you Sir. Looks like a great place, I have vacationed on Lake Powell, Bryce and Zion....truly one of God's gifts! Thanks ------Original Message------ From: b young Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: May 23, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley Is there a date for 2010 yet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every year it has been the weekend after mothers day. Boyd Young Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:14 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Final at Monument Valley From: "dalewhelan" Shot by my ballast in a Firestar II May 2009 -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245070#245070 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02012_194.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:00 PM PST US From: "Jim Kmet" Subject: Kolb-List: Bing Carb Problem FYI Hi All, For what its worth, I though I`d share a recent problem & solution with a Bing carb I had this week. It all started last Sat, when after a short flight in my MK3C 912 bird, one of my bing 64 carbs started leaking after engine shutdown. It quit after a minute or so, but not after scaring the bejeebers out of me, cuz the fuel was boiling off of a hot exhaust pipe! Once it quit, & cooled down for a few miute, I thought, I`d better be sure where it was coming from. I turned on the electric fuel pump & the carb bowl instantly was wet & dripping again. Since it was hot outside, & in the hangar, & the engine was still hot, I left the airport ticked off, thinking I`d research the possible problems & check out solutions. Not knowing that much about bing 64s, I asked a few of my fellow Kolb drivers their opinions, and, once I learned more, Agreed that it must be a sticking float needle & or float bowl gasket. Didn`t get to get back to it until Tuesday, & had a helper flip on the fuel pump again & after repeated checks, found that it was the Brass fitting that the fuel line attached to! This wasn`t a threaded in fitting like on the new carbs, but a "pressed in fitting" (Pressed in according to the folks at BING in Kansas) LOOOONg story short, (I know, too late, its already long), the folks at Bing, L. E. A. F. & Lockwood, have never seen this before & each had a different recommendation. The bottom line was this, that fitting was not just pressed in, but was inserted with an "O"-ring. The O-ring was letting fuel pass by. Once I got the fitting out, found that it was a Nickel fix, re-inserted it a new o-ring with some green Locktite ( LEAF Recommended), I enjoyed a 15 minute check flight yesterday, & 1.2 hours today. I also bought the fuel drip pan kit from CPS & will install it shortly . Some of you may have already known of this O-ring deal before, but Since Bing & LEAF & Lockwood didn`t, I thought I `d pass it along.The folks with thread-in fittings have an advantage, cuz the seal will be easier to replace. Jim Kmet Cookeville TN MK-3C 912 MK-3C 582 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.