Kolb-List Digest Archive

Sun 05/24/09


Total Messages Posted: 18



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:38 AM - rivets (Ted Cowan)
     2. 04:40 AM - Re: rivets (Denny Rowe)
     3. 05:18 AM - Re: older firestar (Jim Hartung)
     4. 05:18 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 05/23/09 (david watkins)
     5. 06:51 AM - Re: rivets (Mike Welch)
     6. 07:45 AM - Re: rivets (robert bean)
     7. 07:48 AM - Re: Bing Carb Problem FYI (b young)
     8. 08:42 AM - Re: rivets (Larry Cottrell)
     9. 01:51 PM - Re: Bing Carb Problem FYI (Jim Kmet)
    10. 02:13 PM - Re: Bing Carb Problem FYI (Thomas R. Riddle)
    11. 02:52 PM - Re: Bing Carb Problem FYI (Jim Kmet)
    12. 03:08 PM - Re: Monument Valley (WillUribe@aol.com)
    13. 04:13 PM - Re: Monument Valley (chris davis)
    14. 04:25 PM - Re: Monument Valley (robert bean)
    15. 04:47 PM - sport pilot certificate (K I)
    16. 06:12 PM - Re: sport pilot certificate (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
    17. 06:13 PM - Re: sport pilot certificate (gliderx5@comcast.net)
    18. 07:40 PM - Re: sport pilot certificate (George Alexander)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:38:35 AM PST US
    From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: rivets
    sorry about the name change, meant the same person, just had the wrong handle on it. (age thing). Sorry Dondi -- you are nicer than Dolly anyway. Actually, now that you mention alum. rivets -- according to an aviation mech for the Navy, Yes, we SHOULD be using alum rivets. I dont think you want to either pay for or pull these rivets though. I think they are called cherry max or something like that. Steel rivets of good quality should do the trick. Hinges and such are still the same thing, light weight alum tube either way. The new tubes for most all the planes out there, other than the five rib firestar, are all a thicker quality and might quite easily take the SS rivets. My remarks were zeroed in on the five rib, light weight original firestar and any others with the thin walled tubing. Hope this clearifies this. ted


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    Time: 04:40:02 AM PST US
    From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: rivets
    Just to make sure everyone is clear on this, under NO circumstance should you use plain aluminum pop rivets in the construction of a Kolb aircraft. Good quality steel or stainless steel pop rivets only. Aluminum pop rivets of the downspout type are nowhere near strong enough for aircraft use. Denny Rowe > > sorry about the name change, meant the same person, just had the wrong > handle on it. (age thing). Sorry Dondi -- you are nicer than Dolly > anyway. > Actually, now that you mention alum. rivets -- according to an aviation > mech > for the Navy, Yes, we SHOULD be using alum rivets. I dont think you want > to > either pay for or pull these rivets though. I think they are called cherry > max or something like that. Steel rivets of good quality should do the > trick. Hinges and such are still the same thing, light weight alum tube > either way. The new tubes for most all the planes out there, other than > the > five rib firestar, are all a thicker quality and might quite easily take > the > SS rivets. My remarks were zeroed in on the five rib, light weight > original > firestar and any others with the thin walled tubing. > Hope this clearifies this. ted > > >


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    Time: 05:18:48 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Hartung" <hartungj@srt.com>
    Subject: Re: older firestar
    Hi All, reply to rivet comments. I don't remember any references where kolb recommended using aluminum rivets, I believe the discussion is between using steel rivets which came with many kits or the use of stainless steel rivets. (Steel Rivets vs. Stainless Steel Rivets), you should not use aluminum rivets anywhere except on wing fabric attach special rivet per instruction of the plans. I Also remember the recommendations about mixing a sun blocker with the poly tone paint and skipping an expensive and heavy silver sun blocking coat to save weight and cost, this is especially true if the plane is hangered and not going to set outside all the time. Couldn't resist the comment and old memories, hope I got it right. Jim H, 4 kolbs. REF: Mike. To clear matters up=2C were you making the point that we should use alumi num rivets=2C instead of SS rivets? I recently bought a huge supply of SS rivets=2C specifically for attaching my ailerons and flaps. Is it your opi nion that a guy should just use aluminum ones? REF: Ted. By the way, eliminating the silver undercoat UV protectant-filler, you can save a ton of money and weight and use the UV protection you add to the poly tone paint.


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    Time: 05:18:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 05/23/09
    From: david watkins <david.watkins0@gmail.com>
    Thanks for the tip, Jim. Congratulations on finally receiving some flyable weather there in Cookeville. We're still waiting (along with the Shuttle) for calm weather in Florida! Dave On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Kolb-List Digest Server < kolb-list@matronics.com> wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 09-05-23&Archive=Kolb > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 09-05-23&Archive=Kolb > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Kolb-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat 05/23/09: 6 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 03:42 AM - older firestar (Ted Cowan) > 2. 05:38 AM - Re: older firestar (Mike Welch) > 3. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley (b young) > 4. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley (loseyf@comcast.net) > 5. 10:42 AM - Final at Monument Valley (dalewhelan) > 6. 06:44 PM - Bing Carb Problem FYI (Jim Kmet) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:42:32 AM PST US > From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Kolb-List: older firestar > > > I am again going to chime in and mention something about SS rivets. If > this > is an older Firestar, five rib, etc., you have better check the size and > thickness of the tubing. The older firestars had really thin tubing on the > leading and trailing edges. Now, it is my opinion (my opinion AND > experience) that if you are the first one to drill the holes, they are nice > and tight and MIGHT hold a SS rivet but you will really suffer if you have > to repair damage or recover later. If it is a repair job, the holes have > been reamed out by drilling or possibly someone used an oversized drill > (this was recommended way back when) to facilitate rivet installation, your > SS rivets might crack the holes, pull through or not even pop when > installed. (you are going to hate yourself in the morning). If you are > going to keep the bird in a hanger or trailer or whatever, the rivets are > going to only get minimal exposure to moister. Some of the builders put > anti rust stuff on the rivets before covering (if they were flying over > water) and I think that might be a good idea. Again, if you pull SS rivets > on these lightweight tubes, you are looking and are going to find trouble. > A bunch of you who have not rebuild a dozen of these crafts in the last ten > or twelve years, are going to resist or say bull s____t but, I am telling > you, dislike materials dont like each other to begin with, i.e., steel (SS) > rivets vs very thin alum.and you know what, alum usually looses. My > opinion. By the way, these suggestions were passed on to me by Dennis S. > back when I was a nubie at this. I have never had one come apart. Up to > you. Hope you have a great time. By the way, eliminating the silver > undercoat UV protectant-filler, you can save a ton of money and weight and > use the UV protection you add to the poly tone paint. Call Dolly and she > can explain it to you. Works for me. Lots of ways to save money and > weight > for the ole five ribber. Have a great weekend. Thanks for the pics of MV. > Gotta do that some day. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Slingshot, 912, zoom zoom. > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:38:31 AM PST US > From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: older firestar > > > >Call Dolly and she > > can explain it to you. Works for me. Lots of ways to save money and weigh > t > > for the ole five ribber. Have a great weekend. Thanks for the pics of MV. > > > Gotta do that some day. Ted Cowan=2C Alabama=2C Slingshot=2C 912=2C zoom > zoom. > > Ted=2C > > No argumment with your rivet experience or beliefs=2C but respectfully=2C > the lovely lady's name is Dondi=2C not Dolly. Unless=2C of course=2C we w > ere talking about Parton. She's lovely=2C too. > > To clear matters up=2C were you making the point that we should use alumi > num rivets=2C instead of SS rivets? I recently bought a huge supply of SS > rivets=2C specifically for attaching my ailerons and flaps. Is it your opi > nion that a guy should just use aluminum ones? > > Mike Welch > MkIII > > _________________________________________________________________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut > orial_QuickAdd1_052009 > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:43:17 AM PST US > From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net> > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley > > > Is there a date for 2010 yet? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Every year it has been the weekend after mothers day. > > Boyd Young > > > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:33:30 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley > From: loseyf@comcast.net > > > Thank you Sir. Looks like a great place, I have vacationed on Lake Powell, > Bryce > and Zion....truly one of God's gifts! > > Thanks > ------Original Message------ > From: b young > Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > ReplyTo: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: May 23, 2009 11:42 AM > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley > > > Is there a date for 2010 yet? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Every year it has been the weekend after mothers day. > > Boyd Young > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > ________________________________ Message 5 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:42:14 AM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Final at Monument Valley > From: "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan@earthlink.net> > > > Shot by my ballast in a Firestar II May 2009 > > -------- > Dale Whelan > 503 powered Firestar II > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245070#245070 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02012_194.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 6 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:44:00 PM PST US > From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1@frontiernet.net> > Subject: Kolb-List: Bing Carb Problem FYI > > Hi All, > For what its worth, I though I`d share a recent problem & solution with > a Bing carb I had this week. It all started last Sat, when after a short > flight in my MK3C 912 bird, one of my bing 64 carbs started leaking > after engine shutdown. It quit after a minute or so, but not after > scaring the bejeebers out of me, cuz the fuel was boiling off of a hot > exhaust pipe! > Once it quit, & cooled down for a few miute, I thought, I`d better be > sure where it was coming from. I turned on the electric fuel pump & the > carb bowl instantly was wet & dripping again. > Since it was hot outside, & in the hangar, & the engine was still hot, I > left the airport ticked off, thinking I`d research the possible problems > & check out solutions. > Not knowing that much about bing 64s, I asked a few of my fellow Kolb > drivers their opinions, and, once I learned more, Agreed that it must be > a sticking float needle & or float bowl gasket. > Didn`t get to get back to it until Tuesday, & had a helper flip on the > fuel pump again & after repeated checks, found that it was the Brass > fitting that the fuel line attached to! This wasn`t a threaded in > fitting like on the new carbs, but a "pressed in fitting" (Pressed in > according to the folks at BING in Kansas) > LOOOONg story short, (I know, too late, its already long), the folks at > Bing, L. E. A. F. & Lockwood, have never seen this before & each had a > different recommendation. The bottom line was this, that fitting was not > just pressed in, but was inserted with an "O"-ring. The O-ring was > letting fuel pass by. Once I got the fitting out, found that it was a > Nickel fix, re-inserted it a new o-ring with some green Locktite ( LEAF > Recommended), I enjoyed a 15 minute check flight yesterday, & 1.2 hours > today. > I also bought the fuel drip pan kit from CPS & will install it shortly . > Some of you may have already known of this O-ring deal before, but > Since Bing & LEAF & Lockwood didn`t, I thought I `d pass it along.The > folks with thread-in fittings have an advantage, cuz the seal will be > easier to replace. > > Jim Kmet > Cookeville TN > MK-3C 912 > MK-3C 582 > >


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    Time: 06:51:45 AM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: rivets
    Thanks for the reply Ted=2C and Denny=2C Like I said=2C I purchased the SS rivets for attaching my ailerons and fl aps. I planned on using these=2C but got the impression Ted was saying alu minum ones would be better. I will continue with "Plan A" and use the SS r ivets. Thanks again=2C Mike Welch > Just to make sure everyone is clear on this=2C under NO circumstance shou ld > you use plain aluminum pop rivets in the construction of a Kolb aircraft. > Good quality steel or stainless steel pop rivets only. > Aluminum pop rivets of the downspout type are nowhere near strong enough for > aircraft use. > > Denny Rowe _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut orial_QuickAdd1_052009


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    Time: 07:45:05 AM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: rivets
    some interesting info: http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ht-87-1.html scroll to the page bottom for his flush rivet mod BB On 24, May 2009, at 9:45 AM, Mike Welch wrote: > Thanks for the reply Ted, and Denny, > > Like I said, I purchased the SS rivets for attaching my ailerons > and flaps. I planned on using these, but got the impression Ted > was saying aluminum ones would be better. I will continue with > "Plan A" and use the SS rivets. > > Thanks again, Mike Welch > > > Just to make sure everyone is clear on this, under NO > circumstance should > > you use plain aluminum pop rivets in the construction of a Kolb > aircraft. > > Good quality steel or stainless steel pop rivets only. > > Aluminum pop rivets of the downspout type are nowhere near strong > enough for > > aircraft use. > > > > Denny Rowe > > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. See how. > >


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    Time: 07:48:04 AM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: Bing Carb Problem FYI
    the folks at Bing, L. E. A. F. & Lockwood, have never seen this before & each had a different recommendation. The bottom line was this, that fitting was not just pressed in, but was inserted with an "O"-ring. The O-ring was letting fuel pass by. Once I got the fitting out, found that it was a Nickel fix, re-inserted it a new o-ring with some green Locktite ( LEAF Recommended), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. How did you get it out without destroying it?. was it loose, or did it take a bit of twisting and pulling? What kind of o ring did you use? All orings are not made of the same material, was what you used suitable for use with gas? Boyd Young MKIIIC Utah


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    Time: 08:42:18 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: Re: rivets
    After 2,933.7 hours on my mkIII, it still has all its SS rivets. ;-) Built the US in 1984, with carbon steel. Some of them rusted. When I got ready to build the FS in 1986, Kolb was still shipping carbon steel rivets with their kits. Little Mike got me SS rivets for my FS. Soon after, kits were shipped with SS rivets. Never had a problem with corrosion between the SS rivets and aluminum. Was true, the US and original FS were shipped with .028" 6061 leading and trailing edge tubes, and 5/16" rib tubes. Later kits had .032" tubing. Not a whole lot of difference when you get right down to the nitty gritty. Takes a really crude craftsman to screw up construction of a Kolb kit, but I guess there are of few of those out there. john h mkIII Rock House, OR Like I said, I purchased the SS rivets for attaching my ailerons and flaps. I planned on using these, but got the impression Ted was saying aluminum ones would be better. I will continue with "Plan A" and use the SS rivets. Thanks again, Mike Welch


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    Time: 01:51:49 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Bing Carb Problem FYI
    Boy I hope it`s compatable with gas, now you`ve prompted me to do some more research on the other ones in this o-ring stash that it came from.I got it out by having a helper securly hold the carb on a work bench, & I put a short pc of fuel line over the nipple to cushion & protect it. Then held it just below the flare with a unique pair of pliers that when clamped, held close to the same diameter as the pipe nipple, & tapped the Pliers with the hammer, away from the carb body, & after a few Raps, it popped out. now on to research to make sure I put a gas compatable o-ring on it. If not, I gotta do it again, thanks for the heads up on the o-rings. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: b young To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Bing Carb Problem FYI the folks at Bing, L. E. A. F. & Lockwood, have never seen this before & each had a different recommendation. The bottom line was this, that fitting was not just pressed in, but was inserted with an "O"-ring. The O-ring was letting fuel pass by. Once I got the fitting out, found that it was a Nickel fix, re-inserted it a new o-ring with some green Locktite ( LEAF Recommended), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. How did you get it out without destroying it?. was it loose, or did it take a bit of twisting and pulling? What kind of o ring did you use? All orings are not made of the same material, was what you used suitable for use with gas? Boyd Young MKIIIC Utah


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    Time: 02:13:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Bing Carb Problem FYI
    From: "Thomas R. Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Here is a fluid compatibility guide for o-ring materials that may help you. http://www.allorings.com/compatibility.htm Thom in Buffalo On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Jim Kmet <jlsk1@frontiernet.net> wrote: > Boy I hope it`s compatable with gas, now you`ve prompted me to do some > more research on the other ones in this o-ring stash that it came from.I got > it out by having a helper securly hold the carb on a work bench, & I put a > short pc of fuel line over the nipple to cushion & protect it. Then held it > just below the flare with a unique pair of pliers that when clamped, held > close to the same diameter as the pipe nipple, & tapped the Pliers with t he > hammer, away from the carb body, & after a few Raps, it popped out. > now on to research to make sure I put a gas compatable o-ring on it. If > not, I gotta do it again, thanks for the heads up on the o-rings. > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* b young <by0ung@brigham.net> > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:47 AM > *Subject:* RE: Kolb-List: Bing Carb Problem FYI > > the folks at Bing, L. E. A. F. & Lockwood, have never seen this before & > each had a different recommendation. The bottom line was this, that fitti ng > was not just pressed in, but was inserted with an "O"-ring. The O-ring wa s > letting fuel pass by. Once I got the fitting out, found that it was a Nic kel > fix, re-inserted it a new o-ring with some green Locktite ( LEAF > Recommended), > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. > > > How did you get it out without destroying it?=85 was it loose, or did it > take a bit of twisting and pulling? What kind of o ring did you use? A ll > orings are not made of the same material, was what you used suitable fo r > use with gas? > > > Boyd Young > > MKIIIC > > Utah > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c * > =========== ronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List =========== =========== com/contribution =========== > * > >


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    Time: 02:52:57 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Bing Carb Problem FYI
    Thanks for the chart, they are NBR & according to this chart, they are recommended for gasoline. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas R. Riddle To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:12 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Bing Carb Problem FYI Here is a fluid compatibility guide for o-ring materials that may help you. http://www.allorings.com/compatibility.htm Thom in Buffalo On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Jim Kmet <jlsk1@frontiernet.net> wrote: Boy I hope it`s compatable with gas, now you`ve prompted me to do some more research on the other ones in this o-ring stash that it came from.I got it out by having a helper securly hold the carb on a work bench, & I put a short pc of fuel line over the nipple to cushion & protect it. Then held it just below the flare with a unique pair of pliers that when clamped, held close to the same diameter as the pipe nipple, & tapped the Pliers with the hammer, away from the carb body, & after a few Raps, it popped out. now on to research to make sure I put a gas compatable o-ring on it. If not, I gotta do it again, thanks for the heads up on the o-rings. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: b young To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Bing Carb Problem FYI the folks at Bing, L. E. A. F. & Lockwood, have never seen this before & each had a different recommendation. The bottom line was this, that fitting was not just pressed in, but was inserted with an "O"-ring. The O-ring was letting fuel pass by. Once I got the fitting out, found that it was a Nickel fix, re-inserted it a new o-ring with some green Locktite ( LEAF Recommended), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. How did you get it out without destroying it?=85 was it loose, or did it take a bit of twisting and pulling? What kind of o ring did you use? All orings are not made of the same material, was what you used suitable for use with gas? Boyd Young MKIIIC Utah href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ==== get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List a>http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 03:08:52 PM PST US
    From: WillUribe@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Monument Valley
    In a message dated 5/22/2009 10:42:55 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, slyck@frontiernet.net writes: I was going to ask for more details but this last pic tells the story. BB, steel legs on and brakes bled. Time to tow it up the hill. **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002)


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    Time: 04:13:11 PM PST US
    From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Monument Valley
    I sorry i missed all the news on this mishap but i Have 2 questions was the pilot hurt and I believe that it was a downwind landing that got him , by looking at the photos of the MV field I would swear that I could land my KX P in both directions with a 1000 ft to spare is it a field rule that you la nd and take off in the same direction? Please excuse my ignorance if this h as been discussed before .--- Chris=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________ _____________=0AFrom: "WillUribe@aol.com" <WillUribe@aol.com>=0ATo: kolb-li st@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:59:02 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kol b-List: Monument Valley=0A=0AIn a message dated 5/22/2009 10:42:55 A.M. Mou ntain Daylight Time, slyck@frontiernet.net writes:=0A=0AI was going to ask for more details but this last pic tells the story.=0ABB, steel legs on and brakes bled.- Time to tow it up the hill.=0A=0A=0A______________________ __________=0ARecession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S.=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 04:25:44 PM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Monument Valley
    ouch, that'll keep someone out of trouble for a spell. BB On 24, May 2009, at 5:59 PM, WillUribe@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/22/2009 10:42:55 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > slyck@frontiernet.net writes: > > I was going to ask for more details but this last pic tells the story. > BB, steel legs on and brakes bled. Time to tow it up the hill. > <IMG01419-20090516-1125.jpg> > <IMG01421-20090516-1125.jpg><IMG01424-20090516-1127.jpg> > > Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the > U.S.<IMG01419-20090516-1125.jpg><IMG01421-20090516-1125.jpg><IMG01424- > 20090516-1127.jpg>


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    Time: 04:47:15 PM PST US
    From: K I <wrk2win4u@msn.com>
    Subject: sport pilot certificate
    Hi again list=2C I am buying a Kolb Mark 3. Ii has an =93N=94 number and received an =93air worthiness=94 certificate in 1996. I have been told that it does qualify as a =93light sport=94 and can be flo wn with a sport pilot license. Have I been misinformed? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutor ial_Mobile1_052009


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    Time: 06:12:07 PM PST US
    From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: sport pilot certificate
    Your new plane will qualify as a "light sport" unless a in flight adjustable prop has been installed. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: K I To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Kolb-List: sport pilot certificate Hi again list, I am buying a Kolb Mark 3. Ii has an =93N=94 number and received an =93air worthiness=94 certificate in 1996. I have been told that it does qualify as a =93light sport=94 and can be flown with a sport pilot license. Have I been misinformed? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Hotmail=AE goes with you. Get it on your BlackBerry or iPhone.


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    Time: 06:13:34 PM PST US
    From: gliderx5@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: sport pilot certificate
    Your information is correct. You can fly the aircraft described with a spor t pilot certificate. Welcome to the group and enjoy your Kolb. Malcolm Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: "K I" <wrk2win4u@msn.com> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:46:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Kolb-List: sport pilot certificate Hi again list, I am buying a Kolb Mark 3. Ii has an =9CN=9D number and receive d an =9Cair worthiness=9D certificate in 1996. I have been told that it does qualify as a =9Clight sport=9D an d can be flown with a sport pilot license. Have I been misinformed? ======= ==


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    Time: 07:40:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: sport pilot certificate
    From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander@att.net>
    wrk2win4u(at)msn.com wrote: > > < < > > > I am buying a Kolb Mark 3. Ii has an N number and received an air worthiness certificate in 1996. > < < > > > Airworthiness in 1996 most likely makes it an Experimental - Amateur Built (as opposed to Experimental - Light Sport). Can be flown with a Sport Pilot certificate with the proper log book endorsement. (AP-2 most likely). -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245217#245217




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