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1. 12:50 AM - Re: Aluminum Fuel Tank for MIII (icrashrc)
2. 06:49 AM - john h and john b flight (b young)
3. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Fuel Tank for MIII (Ron)
4. 04:02 PM - Re: Stripping a Firestar wing (Dana Hague)
5. 04:11 PM - Re: john h and john b flight (John Bickham)
6. 04:12 PM - Re: sport pilot certificate (Dana Hague)
7. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: Is a Mark 3 Xtra considered Light Sport? (Dana Hague)
8. 04:27 PM - Re: empty nest syndrome. (John Bickham)
9. 04:44 PM - Re: Stripping a Firestar wing (william sullivan)
10. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: Stripping a Firestar wing (Dana Hague)
11. 05:48 PM - Re: Stripping a Firestar wing (william sullivan)
12. 07:32 PM - MV (Bruce Chaisson)
13. 07:39 PM - Re: Is a Mark 3 Xtra considered Light Sport? (lucien)
14. 07:42 PM - Re: MV (Larry Cottrell)
15. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: Is a Mark 3 Xtra considered Light Sport? (Larry Cottrell)
16. 08:21 PM - Re: Is a Mark 3 Xtra considered Light Sport? (lucien)
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Fuel Tank for MIII |
Here's how we did it.
http://www.ill-eagleaviation.com/fuel_tank.htm
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Scott
www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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| Subject: | john h and john b flight |
On the way home from the rock house John B and John H stopped by Brigham
city Ut for lunch and the weather in Wyoming was covered with storms, so
they stayed the night here. They got off around 6 15 to 6 30 this morning
and weather permitting they hope to get to Kansas before they stop tonight.
I thought I had missed the group because Sat I saw a kolb fly over the city
going east, we figured it was Bruce C. who had left earlier.
Tail winds and safe landings to all
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Boyd Young
Kolb MkIII C 580+ hours and counting
Brigham City Utah.
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Fuel Tank for MIII |
I like your design, its simpler than mine. I certainly think you ought to run another
lateral brace with a support base off the tail boom. Your wood support
as temporary as it is right now should be used with some alteration to be the
base on the tail boom to distribute the load.
If I remember (gotta fly up to PHX today) when I come back I'll scribble something
down as an idea for you to consider. But I like your design, way less plumbing
than mine, about 5 gallons less total fuel than my M3X, but not often I see
a need for more than 15 gallons anyway.
The short answer yes you need to brace the bottom of your tanks for sure, flight
loads and the weight will bend the tubes down on the frame to where it will
start contacting the control tube.
Ron @ KFHU
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Here's how we did it.
http://www.ill-eagleaviation.com/fuel_tank.htm
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www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: Stripping a Firestar wing |
At 12:35 PM 5/22/2009, Richard Girard wrote:
>....Recover per Appendix A with the Navajo Silver option to save weight
>but get full UV protection.
Can you elaborate on that?
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: john h and john b flight |
Boyd and all,
We made it to Laramie, WY. We had to deviate a little north as you had suggested.
It got pretty cold for this south Louisiana boy! Got down to 28 F, but mostly
low 30's. Made my first landing with no feet, at least I couldn't feel
them.
Thanks to you and Ms Becky for taking us in and feeding us on such short notice.
It was a pleasure to be in your home and in your company.
We have been just behind some pretty marginal weather and have stopped here in
Laramie for the night. The weather is not good in Louisiana or Alabama for a
couple of days so there is really no point in rushing to catch up to rain. Supposed
to get down to 33 F here tonight. I'm not used to this but still "Living
da Dream"!
This has truly been a great experience. Learned a lot about flying a Kolb that
I would have never learned circling the patch back home.
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
Landing a plane and being married - a few smooth moments mixed with a lot of rough
ones.
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| Subject: | Re: sport pilot certificate |
At 08:55 PM 5/24/2009, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
>Your new plane will qualify as a "light sport" unless a in flight
>adjustable prop has been installed.
... and provided the gross weight is listed as being under 1320 lbs.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Is a Mark 3 Xtra considered Light Sport? |
At 08:13 PM 5/22/2009, Richard Girard wrote:
>...If your father in law has a builders log you could try getting it
>through as experimental amatuer built, but since the aircraft has been
>flown as an ultralight you probably don't have much chance of getting that
>one either...
I could be wrong, but I believe you can register an aircraft as E-AB
regardless of whether it's been flown as an ultralight... I know of a
couple of Quicksilvers like that, built and flown in the 1980's and
recently registered E-AB, not E-LSA. As I understand it, the deadline
applied only to aircraft that didn't meet the 51% rule. Of course it may
depend on the local DAR...
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: empty nest syndrome. |
Larry and ms Karen,
Thanks too much!
Truly appreciate all the trouble and the effort you and ms Karen had to go through
for us. The groceries were great! I kinda had hopes of loosing a few pounds
being out on the road, but your cooking ruined that.
I know it never rains there and you have to put up with a bit of wind at times.
Not always 6-10, right down the runway [Wink] !!!! but you have some remarkable
territory to aviate over there. I could spend months there before I would
come close to seeing it all.
Meeting Roger Hankins was a big highlight. Roger and I probably should not spend
to much time together, too much creative mischief in one place.
It was a very special week for me at your place. Words aren't enough to express
my appreciation.
Thanks for all!
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
Landing a plane and being married - a few smooth moments mixed with a lot of rough
ones.
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| Subject: | Re: Stripping a Firestar wing |
Dana- The Poly Fiber instruction book, Appendix "A", says that both Navajo
Silver and Piper Trainer Blue contain full UV protection right in the paint
.- The Poly Spray stage of the covering process can be skipped.- I have
both manuals, and they confirm what Rick said.
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| Subject: | Re: Stripping a Firestar wing |
At 07:44 PM 5/26/2009, william sullivan wrote:
>Dana- The Poly Fiber instruction book, Appendix "A", says that both Navajo
>Silver and Piper Trainer Blue contain full UV protection right in the
>paint. The Poly Spray stage of the covering process can be skipped.
Interesting, I didn't know that! Hmmm, I may have to rethink my favorite
colors for airplanes...
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Stripping a Firestar wing |
Dana- I was slightly mistaken about the colors.- Poly tone 220M Nevada Si
lver; Poly Tone 222M Rancho Silver; and Poly Tone 318M Piper Trainer Blue a
re the colors containing full UV protection.- They estimate a 10 to 11 po
und weight saving on an ultralight, with no loss of protection.- Very int
eresting reading.- I got my copies from Jim and Dondi Miller at Aircraft
Technical Support.
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ng to be Piper Trainer Blue)
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What an adventure! 15 days, 4,400 miles, of unbelievable experiences. Learned what
a great airplane the Kolb really is and what a good performer in high altitude
situations. We met nothing but the nicest people everywhere we stopped, always
ready to step up and help if needed. I had a flat in MV and brake problems
in Oregon and didn't have to ask for help. People volunteering to help and
without the assistance of the maintenance people at MV that used their tire mounting
equipment to break the tire we could not have repaired the tube. The friendship,
flying, cook-outs, and don't forget the homemade beer was fantastic.
The hospitality and wild-beast feast at Larry and Karen's was to good. The flying
in Oregon was fantastic, along with some crazy weather. The trip home was
uneventful except for carburetor icing and engine quitting on final...same problem
next day out of Laramie until got to warmer air, thunderstorms and fog today
but arrived safely home today, plane and body in one piece. Do not miss it
next year if you can.
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Bruce Chaisson
Mark III Classic
912 ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Is a Mark 3 Xtra considered Light Sport? |
Dana wrote:
>
> I could be wrong, but I believe you can register an aircraft as E-AB
> regardless of whether it's been flown as an ultralight... I know of a
> couple of Quicksilvers like that, built and flown in the 1980's and
> recently registered E-AB, not E-LSA. As I understand it, the deadline
> applied only to aircraft that didn't meet the 51% rule. Of course it may
> depend on the local DAR...
>
> -Dana
>
As long as it was at least 51% built by an amateur for his/her own rec./ed., and
it has never held another airworthiness certificate before, EAB is available.
My plane was like that, it flew for a while under the exemptions as a UL trainer
after it was first built. After some time and even an engine swap it was put
under EAB.
All the so-called "lawn ornaments" supposedly now unflyable because of the expiration
of the "grandfather" ELSA option are nothing of the kind - they are also
eligible for EAB if they meet the rules....... Just like always, this didn't
change with the "gELSA" expiration........
LS
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Titan II SS
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Bruce,
So glad that you made it, it wouldn't have been as much fun if you
hadn't been there. Since you left early you missed the Catfish fry.
Perhaps next year you can stay longer and we will do that too.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Chaisson
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: MV
<b-chaisson@hotmail.com>
What an adventure! 15 days, 4,400 miles, of unbelievable experiences.
Learned what a great airplane the Kolb really is and what a good
performer in high altitude situations. We met nothing but the nicest
people everywhere we stopped, always ready to step up and help if
needed. I had a flat in MV and brake problems in Oregon and didn't have
to ask for help. People volunteering to help and without the assistance
of the maintenance people at MV that used their tire mounting equipment
to break the tire we could not have repaired the tube. The friendship,
flying, cook-outs, and don't forget the homemade beer was fantastic. The
hospitality and wild-beast feast at Larry and Karen's was to good. The
flying in Oregon was fantastic, along with some crazy weather. The trip
home was uneventful except for carburetor icing and engine quitting on
final...same problem next day out of Laramie until got to warmer air,
thunderstorms and fog today but arrived safely home today, plane and
body i!
n one piece. Do not miss it next year if you can.
Do not archive.
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Bruce Chaisson
Mark III Classic
912 ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Is a Mark 3 Xtra considered Light Sport? |
>
As long as it was at least 51% built by an amateur for his/her own
rec./ed., and it has never held another airworthiness certificate
before, EAB is available.
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
I believe that they can still be registered as EAB even if you did not
build the 51 percent, you just can't get the repairman's certificate.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Is a Mark 3 Xtra considered Light Sport? |
[quote="lcottrell"]
>
> I believe that they can still be registered as EAB even if you did not build
the 51 percent, you just can't get the repairman's certificate.
> Larry
>
Right - but it has to have been 51% amateur built by _somebody_ to get the AW cert,
you still have to prove that. But yeah you don't have to be the original
builder to get the AW cert.
In some cases, it's so obvious that it had to have been built from a kit by an
amateur and 51% or more too, that you can still sometimes satisfy a DAR without
a builder's log or a very minimal one. I.e. an older wire-braced quick that
simply couldn't have been built commercially or by the factory by any stretch
of the imagination......
I've heard of EAB a/w certs being issued under circumstances like this.....
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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