---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/08/09: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:37 AM - Re: Corrosion in 912 engines (b young) 2. 12:51 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Fuel Tank for MIII (ross richardson) 3. 05:21 AM - Re: mildew on fabric (cristalclear13) 4. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Fuel Tank for MIII (John Hauck) 5. 07:30 AM - Re: Corrosion in 912 engines (lucien) 6. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Fuel Tank for MIII (b young) 7. 08:11 AM - Re: mildew on fabric (Beauford T) 8. 08:36 AM - Re: mildew on fabric (Richard Girard) 9. 12:20 PM - Back in the air! (grantr) 10. 02:38 PM - Re: Corrosion (russ kinne) 11. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Fuel Tank for MIII (Denny Rowe) 12. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: Rotax Operating Parameters (Dana Hague) 13. 05:03 PM - Flight report (grantr) 14. 05:46 PM - Kolb Twinstar MK II for sale ... (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?No=EBl_Bouchard?=) 15. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: Rotax Operating Parameters (John Hauck) 16. 06:43 PM - electric horz stablizer trim (elleryweld@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:37 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Corrosion in 912 engines I have been considering buying a Mk III Extra that I like but which currently has a 582 on it and then converting it to a 912. There are a number of mid time engines for sale but I wonder how long they can sit without starting to corrode. I have had to replace cams and lifters on Lycomings that sat too long and would like to avoid it. Jim Van Laak >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. Jim the time since it has run depends somewhat on what kind of oil used. a good mineral oil coats better than a full synthetic, and will keep the rust at bay better. Jim Hefner told me that he bought an engine that had been poured full of oil after a rebuild YEARS ago, and seemed to be in perfect condition. So it also will depend on what has been done since it last run. Good luck Boyd Young ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:23 AM PST US From: ross richardson Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Tank for MIII I am wanting to build a larger gas tank also but one thing I haven't seen o r addressed is W&B with more weight being shifted to the rear. I have a Mar k IIIC with a 912 UL and the factory two 5 gal tanks and had to install th e adjustable forward horz stablizer brkts for duel flight. I am installing an electric horz stablizer trim system now so as not to have to change the pin locations for solo and duel operations. That have you had to do to addr ess this problem with the larger gas tanks? > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Tank for MIII > From: icrashrc@aol.com > Date: Tue=2C 26 May 2009 00:49:45 -0700 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > Here's how we did it. > > http://www.ill-eagleaviation.com/fuel_tank.htm > > -------- > Scott > > www.ill-EagleAviation.com > > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=245368#245368 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:14 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: mildew on fabric From: "cristalclear13" WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.co wrote: > > DampRid. Available in a spray bottle (like a kitchen cleaner) in the paint department at Lowes and Home Depot. > Thanks Bill. I'll have to see if I can find some here. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247274#247274 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:36 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Tank for MIII For what it is worth, I have a 25 gal aluminum fuel tank in my mkIII. Don't know how much the tank weighs, but it carries 150 lbs of fuel. In addition to that, I carry aprx'ly 125 lbs of gear under the fuel tank in my cargo compartment. To top it off, I have a 12 lb Maule Tundra Tailwheel, 8" pneumatic, mounted, in addition to a 912ULS with a 4" prop extension and a 3 blade WD Prop with nickle steel leading edges. My mkIII flies well. Extreme testing in every attitude, normal and unusual, I could think of indicates it does not have an aft cg problem. Just completed a 60.2 hour flight over 18 days in some of the most difficult flying conditions I have encountered in 25 years of doing serious cross country flights in Kolb aircraft. Extreme cross winds, 6500 ft field elevations, 9300 ft density altitude, and dust devils, all encountered at the same time by three intrepid Kolb mkIII adventurers in Grants, NM. I might add, my mkIII was at its max gross weight of 1200 lbs during this time frame. The leading edge of my horizontal stabilizer is positioned below the standard position in the plans. Experimentation indicates it is now in a "sweet spot" for best cruise flight with or without a passenger. We installed adjustable attachments to accomplish this during the fabrication phase of the fuselage at the Kolb Factory in 1991, along with the 25 gal fuel tank. The major difference between my mkIII and a plans built mkIII is position of the main landing gear, which places the axles 8" forward of the stock location. This will offset aft cg a tad, but not much at its location near the cg. I emphasize, this is how I configured my mkIII and it works great for me. I don't recommend others follow suit. john h mkIII From: ross richardson I am wanting to build a larger gas tank also but one thing I haven't seen or addressed is W&B with more weight being shifted to the rear. I have a Mark IIIC with a 912 UL and the factory two 5 gal tanks and had to install the adjustable forward horz stablizer brkts for duel flight. I am installing an electric horz stablizer trim system now so as not to have to change the pin locations for solo and duel operations. That have you had to do to address this problem with the larger gas tanks? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:41 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Corrosion in 912 engines From: "lucien" by0ung(at)brigham.net wrote: > > Jim the time since it has run depends somewhat on what kind of oil used a good mineral oil coats better than a full synthetic, and will keep the rust at bay better. Jim Hefner told me that he bought an engine that had been poured full of oil after a rebuild YEARS ago, and seemed to be in perfect condition. So it also will depend on what has been done since it last run. > > Good luck > > Boyd Young > > Friend of mine back in TX stored an A-65 by completely submerging the complete long block in a 55gal barrell of engine oil. He kept it like that for over 10 years while he waited for a plane to put it in. Finally took it out for checkup and as you might expect there was zero corrosion anywhere on the engine, it was in same condition as when he dunked it........ Cleanup took a little while tho....... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247293#247293 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:09 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Tank for MIII I am wanting to build a larger gas tank also but one thing I haven't seen or addressed is W&B with more weight being shifted to the rear. I have a Mark IIIC with a 912 UL and the factory two 5 gal tanks and had to install the adjustable forward horz stablizer brkts for duel flight. I am installing an electric horz stablizer trim system now so as not to have to change the pin locations for solo and duel operations. That have you had to do to address this problem with the larger gas tanks? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I bought the 16 gal alum fuel tank that was a factory option in 1998. when doing W&B on my mkIIIC I determined the cg of the fuel tank is verrrrry close to the rear cg limit. When flying solo I am near the rear cg, from full to empty fuel, the cg does not move more than a quarter inch. When I am flying with a passenger, my cg is closer to the center of the range, and as I burn off fuel the cg will creep forward. Even at empty tanks I am well within the limits, so to answer your question "That have you had to do to address this problem with the larger gas tanks? " there is no problem with my set up. Now if your fuel tank installs further aft than mine does. You will have to do the math. Boyd young ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:53 AM PST US From: "Beauford T" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: mildew on fabric Miss Cristal: Before you go spraying calcium chloride (damp-rid) on yer machine, you might want to take a look at the MSDS sheet for that particular solution... para 10 of the MSDS is shown below...I invite your attention to the last two sentences in the "Incompatibilities" portion. I have had pretty fair luck using a half and half solution of isopropyl alcohol and water on stits mildew... as near as I can determine, it isn't corrosive to the airframe metals and does not attack the polyfiber products. Worth what ye paid fer it... beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL -------------MSDS excerpt; Calcium chloride--------------------- 10. Stability and Reactivity Stability: Stable under ordinary conditions of use and storage. Substance will pick up moisture from the air and go into solution if exposed in open containers. Hazardous Decomposition Products: Emits toxic chlorine fumes when heated to decomposition. May form hydrogen chloride in presence of sulfuric or phosphoric acids or with water at elevated temperatures. Hazardous Polymerization: Will not occur. Incompatibilities: Methyl vinyl ether, water, zinc, bromine trifluoride, mixtures of lime and boric acid, barium chloride, and 2-furan percarboxylic acid. Metals will slowly corrode in aqueous calcium chloride solutions. Aluminum (and alloys) and yellow brass will be attacked by calcium chloride. Conditions to Avoid: Incompatibles. --------------------unquote ------------------------------ WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.co wrote: > > DampRid. Available in a spray bottle (like a kitchen cleaner) > in the paint department at Lowes and Home Depot. > Thanks Bill. I'll have to see if I can find some here. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247274#247274 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: mildew on fabric From: Richard Girard >From the Poly Fiber manual Appendix H: Dealing with stains: To remove stains. First try good old Clorox laundry bleach. Work it in with a sponge the flush with lots of water.While the PF manual is dealing with fuel and bird stains, I've used dilute Clorox (or any generic bleach) to take black mold off wall board, stone, and dacron sail cloth. Chlorine kills everything, even housewives who mix it with ammonia to clean the toilet, so use it in a well ventilated area or have an air supply. Rick On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Beauford T wrote: > > Miss Cristal: > Before you go spraying calcium chloride (damp-rid) on yer machine, you > might want to take a look at > the MSDS sheet for that particular solution... para 10 of the MSDS is > shown below...I invite your attention to the > last two sentences in the "Incompatibilities" portion. > > I have had pretty fair luck using a half and half solution of > isopropyl alcohol and water on stits mildew... as near > as I can determine, it isn't corrosive to the airframe metals and does > not attack the polyfiber products. > > Worth what ye paid fer it... > beauford > FF-076 > Brandon, FL > > -------------MSDS excerpt; Calcium chloride--------------------- > 10. Stability and Reactivity > Stability: > Stable under ordinary conditions of use and storage. Substance will > pick up moisture from the air and go into solution if exposed in open > containers. > Hazardous Decomposition Products: > Emits toxic chlorine fumes when heated to decomposition. May form > hydrogen chloride in presence of sulfuric or phosphoric acids or with > water at elevated temperatures. > Hazardous Polymerization: > Will not occur. > Incompatibilities: > Methyl vinyl ether, water, zinc, bromine trifluoride, mixtures of > lime and boric acid, barium chloride, and 2-furan percarboxylic acid. > Metals will slowly corrode in aqueous calcium chloride solutions. > Aluminum (and alloys) and yellow brass will be attacked by calcium > chloride. > Conditions to Avoid: > Incompatibles. > --------------------unquote ------------------------------ > > > > > WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.co wrote: > > > > DampRid. Available in a spray bottle (like a kitchen cleaner) > > in the paint department at Lowes and Home Depot. > > > > > Thanks Bill. I'll have to see if I can find some here. > > -------- > Cristal Waters > Kolb Mark II Twinstar > Rotax 503 DCSI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247274#247274 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:56 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Back in the air! From: "grantr" March 22nd was the last time I flew my Kolb until yesterday afternoon. WOW nearly 3 months. I was getting a tad worried that I might be rusty and not do too good. Well to my surprise I did even better than I did on March 22nd. No rust to report! I have a detailed flight report I am working on to post later. I took my camera but forgot the mount plate so I couldn't shoot any video :( It would have been nice to because I did some low level flying over some corn, peanut, cotton and wheat fields. And even landed on a private grass strip. I will be listing my kolb for sale soon. I have moved over to gyroplanes. I am currently training and hope to get my SP add on soon. I already have a gyroplane so I really don't need 2 aircraft. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247337#247337 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:55 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Corrosion FWIW I used to completely fill a Lycoming 0-360 (on the aircraft) with regular Aeroshell (mineral) oil, while rotating prop several times, slowly, for winter 'storage'. I assume it helped avoid corrosion; made me feel better anyway. But as Lucien says -- Cleanup took a little while tho....... Russ K ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:25 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Tank for MIII Boyd, Does your tank install from behind the seats like the new xtra tank? I saw Kolbs online video of installing a big tank in the Xtra and was wondering if the regular Mk-3 had the same option. Denny Rowe I bought the 16 gal alum fuel tank that was a factory option in 1998. when doing W&B on my mkIIIC I determined the cg of the fuel tank is verrrrry close to the rear cg limit. When flying solo I am near the rear cg, from full to empty fuel, the cg does not move more than a quarter inch. When I am flying with a passenger, my cg is closer to the center of the range, and as I burn off fuel the cg will creep forward. Even at empty tanks I am well within the limits, so to answer your question "That have you had to do to address this problem with the larger gas tanks? " there is no problem with my set up. Now if your fuel tank installs further aft than mine does. You will have to do the math. Boyd young ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:44 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax Operating Parameters At 09:20 PM 6/4/2009, John Hauck wrote: >Had a Cuyuna ULIIO2 on my Ultrastar. It had 385.0 hours on it... >Had two Rotax 447 single carb engines. Kept one built on the bench so I >would not miss air shows. Flew these engines 1135 hours... Hey John, What's your take on the relative reliability of the Cuyuna vs. the Rotax when both are properly maintained? The Cuyunas are notorious, of course, but I wonder how much of that is due to the aviation world's unfamiliarity with 2-strokes when the Cuyunas were being produced? With only about 30 trouble free hours (I don't blame the engine for a carburetor failure) so far on my UltraStar I can't say myself, but he Continental in my T-Craft got quiet a couple of times too... -Dana -- "640K of computer memory ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:35 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Flight report From: "grantr" I had a great flight Sunday afternoon! This was my 1st flight since March 22nd in my Kolb. Yikes its been a while! The air was a little choppy but not too bad. I flew mostly around 400 to 800 feet over some corn, wheat, cotton and peanut fields. The temp was 85 degrees and it felt much hotter! My clothes were drenched in sweat a few times setting up and tearing down my plane and taxiing. Humidity was 59% 68 degrees dew point. I arrived at the airport at bit after 2pm and the wind was picking up. During this time I set up my plane which takes about 45 minutes to do. 30 to fold and 15 to fuel up and preflight. After I set it up the wind was still bad, so I fueled it up and waited to preflight. It would be calm then it would blow full force. The flags on the FBO would be straight out at times. Also the buzzards and a hawk were being bounced around side to side in an abrupt manner as they gained altitude in the thermals. These were good indicators to wait unless I wanted to get hammered around. So I waited. Around 4 the wind started to calm down. It would blow slightly then the flags would be dead still. By 4:30, I had completed my preflight strapped in and taxied to runway 5. Once I taxied to the hold line I did my final checks on my checklist then made my call departing runway 5 and then 400 feet later I was in the air climbing out. I climbed up to 800 feet and flew straight out over a big irrigation field and flew around it and entered a left down wind for runway 5 at 1000 feet I continued on the downwind and the turn base and continued to fly over the airport at 1000 feet and headed for the hobby shop. I continued on at 1000 feet over a patch of wood toward the hobby shop. Once I passed the woods, I descended down to 700 to get a closer look at the fields I was flying over. I gradually descended to 400 as I flew over the private strip. I continued to head out over a big corn field and made a climbing 180 climbing from 400 to 700 feet and followed a wood line along a few fields. At this point I decided I wanted to land at the private strip. This would be my 1st landing on another airstrip other than my 6000 foot home runway since I finished training in September 08. Since it had been a while since I flew my plane, nearly 3 months, I decided to head back to my airport and do one landing to make sure I was not too rusty. The landing was great! I taxied back to runway 5 made my radio call and broke ground in 400 feet and climbed to 800 feet. I made my way to the private strip at 800 feet and lined up with the grass strip. As I approached I backed off the throttle and slowed my airspeed and started descending. Once I had the field made I pulled back to idle. As I passed the trees on the end I hit a pretty good bump. This did not affect my approach to much so I didnt have to add power. I maintained idle all the way in and made another soft landing. The grass field is a bit easier than the pavement. The owner was out there mowing the grass. The field was like a golf course. It was very smooth and the grass was just freshly cut with a reel (spelling?) mower. I talked to the owner a bit and he checked out my plane. He liked it and told me to come back when there were more people out there. After talking with him it was time to head back to the home field. I climbed in and taxied to the end of his grass strip and proceeded to take off. 400 feet later I was airborne and climbing. As I passed the shed around 200 feet where the owner was I gave him a big wave good bye as I ascended. I continued climbing and began making a 180 turn and flew back over his airstrip on my way back to my airport. I had reached 1000 feet in a short time and maintained it as I approached the airport and entered left downwind for runway 5. Then I turned base and final resulting in another great soft landing to end the days flying. After taxing back to my trailer, I started to fold my airplane and put it away in the trailer. 30 minutes later the airplane is secured in its enclosed trailer safely tucked away from the elements. I am drenched in sweat feeling like I am going to have a heat stroke. All in all the waiting, sweating and hard work to get the plane ready was well worth the exhilarating feeling of leaving the earth and soaring over it at 60 mph! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247369#247369 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:40 PM PST US From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?No=EBl_Bouchard?= Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Twinstar MK II for sale ... Hello all. I have decided to sell my Twinstar MK II For quick sale: Kolb Twinstar MK II / Rotax 503 Built in 1990. Tot5al time about 650 Hrs. Both Wings rebuilt in 2004. Engine has 125 Hrs since complete overhaul. Some minor repairs to be done. (Lexan winshield, cockpit fabric, seat and a couple of patches on small holes on wings). The first who offers $6000 gets it. Located near Montreal, QC, Canada. Some pictures available... You can reach me, Noel, at 514 723 6663 or preferably at: n o e l @ t e l e d a t a . q c . c a Noel Bouchard ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:22 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax Operating Parameters > What's your take on the relative reliability of the Cuyuna vs. the Rotax > when both are properly maintained? The Cuyunas are notorious, of course, > but I wonder how much of that is due to the aviation world's unfamiliarity > with 2-strokes when the Cuyunas were being produced? > > -Dana Was as good as a Rotax 377. ULII02 had CDI ignition. Rotax had points (during my day). ULII02 used Mikuni Carb. Rotax used Bing. I liked the Mikuni better, but they stopped furnishing carbs for aviation applications. ULII02 had a base cylinder gasket problem due to milling away too much material from the cases to lighten the engine. Required frequent base cylinder gasket replacement which required pulling the engine from the airframe, pulling heads and cylinders. Had a PTO end crank bearing seize on a 10 hour ULII02. Cheap Chinese bearing with nylon cage. Ruined crank when it welded race to crank end. We were also having piston pin bearing failures on the Rotax's, because of caged wrist pin bearings. The ULII02 was a strong running 35 hp. Did a great job on the Ultrastar with a 50X30 Jim Culver prop. I was a self taught fixed wing pilot in my Ultrastar. It was a fine airplane to learn in and enjoy flying. It had some weak points, but overall was a good little airplane. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:20 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: electric horz stablizer trim From: elleryweld@aol.com electric horz stablizer trim I need to see your electric stabilizer trim controll system can you post pics and info on this=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Ellery in=C2- Maine working on Mk3 3 Xtra -----Original Message----- From: b young Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:53 am Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Tank for MIII I am wanting to build a larger gas tank also but one thing I haven't seen =C2-or addressed is W&B with more weight being shifted to the rear. I ha ve=C2-a Mark IIIC with a =C2-912 UL=C2-and the factory=C2-two 5 ga l tanks and had to install the adjustable forward horz stablizer brkts for duel=C2-flight. I am installing an electric horz stablizer trim system =C2-now=C2-so as not to have to change the pin locations for solo and duel=C2-operations. That have you had to do to address this problem wit h the larger gas tanks?=C2-=C2-=C2- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=C2- =C2- I bought the 16 gal alum fuel tank that was a factory option in 1998.=C2 -=C2- when doing W&B=C2- on my mkIIIC=C2- I determined=C2- the cg of t he fuel tank is verrrrry close to the rear cg limit.=C2- =C2-When flyi ng solo I am near the rear cg,=C2-=C2-=C2- from full to empty fuel, =C2-=C2- the cg does not move more than a quarter inch.=C2-=C2- Wh en I am flying with a passenger,=C2- my cg is closer to the center of th e range,=C2- and as I burn off fuel the cg will creep forward.=C2-=C2 - Even at empty tanks I am well within the limits,=C2- =C2-so to ans wer your question =9CThat have you had to do to address this problem with the larger gas tanks? =9C=C2- there is no problem with my se t up.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Now if your fuel tank inst alls further aft than mine does.=C2- You will have to do the math.=C2- =C2- Boyd young =C2- =C2- ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forum s.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.