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1. 08:37 AM - Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl (Ron @ KFHU)
2. 10:40 AM - Re: ASI (pj.ladd)
3. 11:52 AM - Re: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl (Eugene Zimmerman)
4. 12:43 PM - Re: ASI (robert bean)
5. 01:11 PM - Father's Day Flight (Jack B. Hart)
6. 01:23 PM - Re: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl (daniel myers)
7. 03:42 PM - Re: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl (Ron @ KFHU)
8. 06:33 PM - Re: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl (Denny Rowe)
9. 07:01 PM - Re: Father's Day Flight (Eugene Zimmerman)
10. 07:51 PM - Re: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl (Ron @ KFHU)
11. 08:12 PM - Re: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl (Denny Rowe)
12. 08:33 PM - Re: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl (chris davis)
13. 09:05 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 503 running problem (Mark)
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From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
Subject: | Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl |
Can anyone give me the estimated or actual fuel burn with a Cuyuna 430, and the
usual cruise speed for a Pterodactyl the one with the canard in front of it.
Same thing with a Rotax 440 and Eipper MX the single surface old vintage type?
Thanks
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I lost your phone no,Call again when you`re free..
Hi Vince,
01225 783450.
Bloody annoyed at the moment. Been out on a Rotary junket all day. I
relised that Kemble Air Day was on but I have just heard the the Vulcan
was scheduled to be there.
Damn and blast
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl |
2 gal per hr. @ 35 / 45 cruise, 55 mph vne.
On Jun 21, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Ron @ KFHU wrote:
> Can anyone give me the estimated or actual fuel burn with a Cuyuna
> 430, and the usual cruise speed for a Pterodactyl the one with the
> canard in front of it.
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I understand completely. I saw the Vulcan fly at Toronto a few years
back. Mighty impressive.
Nothing like it.
BB
On 21, Jun 2009, at 1:39 PM, pj.ladd wrote:
> I lost your phone no,Call again when you`re free..
>
> Hi Vince,
>
> 01225 783450.
>
> Bloody annoyed at the moment. Been out on a Rotary junket all day.
> I relised that Kemble Air Day was on but I have just heard the the
> Vulcan was scheduled to be there.
> Damn and blast
>
> Pat
>
>
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Subject: | Father's Day Flight |
Kolbers,
Had a very pleasant flight from Winchester 35 miles south to Connersville,
Indiana to Connersville Airport Father's Day event. Saw a few of the
Hargerstown, EAA Chapter members there. Some antiques, may be ten
experimentals, one life line helicopter, but mostly ga aircraft flew in.
The FireFly was the only ultralight vehicle. Lots of kids to look at the
FireFly and parents to encourage to let their kids learn to fly.
I have made some changes to the air fuel mixture control. I kept moving the
high pressure reference point around to try an find a stable source. But
things would happen that I could not figure out why they happened and so I
installed a positive dynamic pressure probe in the carburetor inlet. This
has proved to be a better pressure source in that as one retards the
throttle or opens the throttle the positive pressure follows the throttle
position. I was worried that may be the pressure could become too high and
run the engine so rich it would quit, but that has not been the case.
For what ever reason, and I have not completely rationalized what is going
on, but I can change throttle settings, and I do not have to readjust EGT.
Also, if I nose the FireFly down and unload the propeller, I do not see and
EGT increase. It is very stable.
Burned 1.81 gallons per hour, cruising at 50 to 55 mph gps and burned 2.61
gallons over 70 miles with two take off and landings for 26.8 gpm average
point to point.
Ready to start taking data on the air filter scoop.
I hope you had as good a Father's Day as I have had.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl |
I know a guy that had a pterodactyl on floats...flew it everywhere
Daniel Myers
FSII Seaplane
> From: etzimm@gmail.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl
> Date: Sun=2C 21 Jun 2009 14:50:04 -0400
>
> 2 gal per hr. @ 35 / 45 cruise=2C 55 mph vne.
>
>
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From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
Subject: | Re: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl |
Thanks
That's exactly what I need, and from the picture it looks like the bird I am flying
has the bungee cords on the wrong end. I have no tach or any instruments
yet. I'll be using my G-295 for everything else on a Ram Mount when I need to
get somewhere.
=================================================
---- Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm@gmail.com> wrote:
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2 gal per hr. @ 35 / 45 cruise, 55 mph vne.
--
kugelair.com
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Subject: | Re: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl |
> Can anyone give me the estimated or actual fuel burn with a Cuyuna 430,
> and the usual cruise speed for a Pterodactyl the one with the canard in
> front of it.
>
> Same thing with a Rotax 440 and Eipper MX the single surface old vintage
> type?
>
> Thanks
Ron,
The Dac Ascender with the 430 Cuyuna burns 2 to 2.5 gph max, likes to cruise
from 40 to 50 mph. I sold my old Pterodactyl to a friend that still flies
it with a J-bird supplied 440 Kawasaki and belt drive, he burns about 1.5
gph at 55mph+ but he clipped three feet off each wing.
The MX will burn quite a bit more and go a lot slower.
Denny Rowe
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Subject: | Re: Father's Day Flight |
On Jun 21, 2009, at 5:01 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
> Burned 1.81 gallons per hour, cruising at 50 to 55 mph gps and
> burned 2.61
> gallons over 70 miles with two take off and landings for 26.8 gpm
> average
> point to point.
Jack, Is that 26.8 gallon per minute, or gallon per mile? <grin>
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From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
Subject: | Re: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl |
thanks
The one I have is basically a loaner. It was in pieces in a shop got it assembled
and the Cuyuna fired up after some tugging on the cord. It must have been inop
for about 5 years or more. Yesterday I test flew a Rotax 440 on an Eipper
MX. What a racket it makes. I can fly on the Cuyuna at low power without ear plugs,
not so with the Rotax. That alone is enough for me to favor the Cuyuna motor.
Any other advice for flying the duck?
=================================================
---- Denny Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net> wrote:
============
> Can anyone give me the estimated or actual fuel burn with a Cuyuna 430,
> and the usual cruise speed for a Pterodactyl the one with the canard in
> front of it.
>
> Same thing with a Rotax 440 and Eipper MX the single surface old vintage
> type?
>
> Thanks
Ron,
The Dac Ascender with the 430 Cuyuna burns 2 to 2.5 gph max, likes to cruise
from 40 to 50 mph. I sold my old Pterodactyl to a friend that still flies
it with a J-bird supplied 440 Kawasaki and belt drive, he burns about 1.5
gph at 55mph+ but he clipped three feet off each wing.
The MX will burn quite a bit more and go a lot slower.
Denny Rowe
--
kugelair.com
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Subject: | Re: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl |
>
> thanks
> The one I have is basically a loaner. It was in pieces in a shop got it
> assembled and the Cuyuna fired up after some tugging on the cord. It must
> have been inop for about 5 years or more. Yesterday I test flew a Rotax
> 440 on an Eipper MX. What a racket it makes. I can fly on the Cuyuna at
> low power without ear plugs, not so with the Rotax. That alone is enough
> for me to favor the Cuyuna motor.
>
> Any other advice for flying the duck?
>
>
It aint the engines, its the airframes, the Ascender is a very low drag bird
compared to the MX.
Dacs are very pitch sensitive so don,t ham fist the stick, if you have the
nose down, get off the power or you will overspeed it in a hurry!
Like someone else said, the VNE is 55, you will get there in a hurry with
the nose down so beware.
PRACTICE IN NO CROSS WINDS they don't like cross winds.
Denny Rowe
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Subject: | Re: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl |
Is that noisy engine a 440 Kawsaki or a Rotax 447?-- chris=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.n
et>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:28:26 PM
=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl=0A=0A--> Kolb-List me
ssage posted by: "Ron- @- KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net>=0A=0Athanks=0AThe
one I have is basically a loaner. It was in pieces in a shop got it assemb
led and the Cuyuna fired up after some tugging on the cord. It must have be
en inop for about 5 years or more. Yesterday I test flew a Rotax 440 on an
Eipper MX. What a racket it makes. I can fly on the Cuyuna at low power wit
hout ear plugs, not so with the Rotax. That alone is enough for me to favor
the Cuyuna motor.=0A=0AAny other advice for flying the duck?=0A=0A==
========================0A=0A
=0A=0A---- Denny Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net> wrote: =0A=0A====
<rowedenny@windstream.net>=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A> Can anyone give me the estimate
d or actual fuel burn with a Cuyuna 430, =0A> and the usual cruise speed fo
r a Pterodactyl the one with the canard in =0A> front of it.=0A>=0A> Same t
hing with a Rotax 440 and Eipper MX the single surface old vintage =0A> typ
e?=0A>=0A> Thanks=0A=0A=0ARon,=0AThe Dac Ascender with the 430 Cuyuna burns
2 to 2.5 gph max, likes to cruise =0Afrom 40 to 50 mph.- I sold my old P
terodactyl to a friend that still flies =0Ait with a J-bird supplied 440 Ka
wasaki and belt drive, he burns about 1.5 =0Agph at 55mph+ but he clipped t
hree feet off each wing.=0AThe MX will burn quite a bit more and go a lot s
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L
=========0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 503 running problem |
Not that this was the intent of this thread but, Is there anyone on this
board
other than myself that has tried running more than the recommended
amount of
oil and willing to share with me what they found.
Just for fun, even though I have no inclination to do so, is there
anyone on
this
board that has run less oil than 50:1, ( I once saw a company claim you
could
run their oil at 150:1) If so would you share your results with me?
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
I had a Phantom with a Kawasaki 440....got some "advice" from
J-Bird......He
claimed it needed to be mixed at 20:1 or it will burn up.
So I did.
In 30 hours the rings had so much carbon packed in them it pushed them
out
into the ports,,,not a good thing.Landed (glided)on the airfield,took it
apart and was surprised at what was in there.Carbon in the
ports,exhaust,etc.I also found my gauges were not very
accurate..replaced
them.
Got another used engine with 100+ hours on it,mixed 50:1,,,,,Havoline or
Penzoil,,,,and put 260 hours on that one and then sold the plane.No
problems
with fouling,ring sticking,etc.and never de-carboned it.Ran the same
from
the day I installed it,to when I last flew it.
My friend flew his SE-5A with a Cuyuna for over 300 hours,50:1,Amsoil 2
stroke.Replaced it with something else when it just quit running.Think
it
was a gearbox problem.
Mark ...Ultrastar, UL2 26 hrs
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