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1. 02:42 AM - Re: Thank you (Ralph B)
2. 03:05 AM - Re: Re: M3-Classic (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
3. 03:50 AM - Re: M3-Classic (william sullivan)
4. 04:34 AM - Re: Re: M3-Classic (russ kinne)
5. 06:38 AM - Re: Re: M3-Classic (daniel myers)
6. 07:43 AM - Re: Thank you (JetPilot)
7. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl (Ron @ KFHU)
8. 08:42 AM - VG test done on GA airplane, and "Slow flight" with VGS (Nick Cassara)
9. 09:13 AM - Re: VG test done on GA airplane, and "Slow flight" with VGS (John Hauck)
10. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: Thank you (Ron @ KFHU)
11. 09:47 AM - Re: T.N. Props (Ron @ KFHU)
12. 11:07 AM - Re: T.N. Props (Ron @ KFHU)
13. 03:05 PM - Re: T.N. Props (Richard Girard)
14. 06:19 PM - Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing (Jack B. Hart)
15. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: M3-Classic (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
16. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: M3-Classic (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
17. 06:45 PM - Re: Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing (John Hauck)
18. 07:05 PM - Re: R: VGs (possums)
19. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: M3-Classic (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
20. 07:13 PM - Re: Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing (Jack B. Hart)
21. 08:06 PM - Re: Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing (Herb)
22. 08:35 PM - Re: Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing (John Hauck)
23. 09:10 PM - Re: Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing (possums)
24. 09:49 PM - Re: Cuyuna 430 and Pterodactyl (Mark)
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www.landshorter.com
> If you decide to use them on the underside of your horizontal stabilizer to
improve your flare then you will place them about 1" apart and just in front of
the elevator. In all cases the VG's are placed at a precise angle to the airstream
and are aligned and spaced with the included templates. Boyd
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> There are VG's underneath the elevator just ahead of the hinges. I've been tempted
to remove them.
>
> Ralph
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> I think I would leave them on. The tail plane is designed to create a
> downward force in order to keep the plane at the desired attitude.
>
> Boyd Young
Boyd, I'm not sure they are doing any good as I don't know of too many Kolbs that
have VG's underneath the stabilizer. I probably won't remove them, but as I
say "I'm tempted to".
Ralph
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Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
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Kolbers ?it looks like I will be headed south soon to pick up a M3-Classic from
Florida I am sure that Plane will do me well
I got burned out Building eveyone elses airplanes and kept working on others instead
of my own and decided that I could buy one all flying Cheaper than Building
my MK3Xtra so I will be selling the kit I have and I will be haunting the
sky's again in a week or so
oh This one doesnt have VG's just the way I like it
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Thank you
?
?
> Those two guys and their remarks have always stuck with me...?
>?
> Not Kolb related so....?
>?
>?
> LS?
?
Lucien:?
?
A fair weather flyer will remain a fair weather flyer, unless he is trained and
current in other weather conditions.?
?
I would be the last person to encourage others to get into situations that are
beyond their limits. However, the only way to learn and stay proficient, at other
than fair weather, is to get out, learn, and train in challenging conditions.?
?
The primary reason I try to stay proficient, in all types of weather, is the chance
of getting caught out in it. Very easy to do. If I am not comfortable in
these situations, I am bound to make mistakes.?
?
I have a 25 mph wind limit, but there are times when I have no choice but to fly
in far greater wind conditions. I want to be comfortable and proficient enough
to get home safe and sound.?
?
If I was primarily a local, fair weather flyer, I'd make it a point to get out
and at least do some pattern work, especially during breezy New Mexico conditions.?
?
Flying is a high risk sport, especially in something one has built in his basement.
I know how my airplanes are built, except when I am flying others.?
?
If flying was not risky, exciting, challenging, fun, and adventuresome, I'd stick
to dirt bikes, ATVs, and mountain biking.?
?
I had the chance to see some Kolb pilots from Lousiana fly out West, clear up into
Oregon. I watched them encounter weather conditions that most pilots would
only dream about. My two Cajun buddies did an outstanding job of flying, max
gross, for the first time, and surviving, in their Kolb MKIII's, through deserts
and the Rocky Mountains. I have flown out there many times, and I was screwing
up more than they were. ;-) We had a blast.?
?
john h?
mkIII ?
?
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- Good luck, Ellery.- Are you flying it back, or trailering?
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------------------- Bill Sullivan
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do not archive
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Ellery
Congratulations man! Good to think you'll be in the air again soon
Fly safe, fair winds,
Russ
On Jun 27, 2009, at 6:01 AM, Ellery Batchelder Jr wrote:
> Kolbers it looks like I will be headed south soon to pick up a M3-
> Classic from Florida I am sure that Plane will do me well
> I got burned out Building eveyone elses airplanes and kept working
> on others instead of my own and decided that I could buy one all
> flying Cheaper than Building my MK3Xtra so I will be selling the
> kit I have and I will be haunting the sky's again in a week or so
> oh This one doesnt have VG's just the way I like it
>
> Ellery in Maine
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:58 pm
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Thank you
>
>
>
> > Those two guys and their remarks have always stuck with me...
> >
> > Not Kolb related so....
> >
> >
> > LS
>
> Lucien:
>
> A fair weather flyer will remain a fair weather flyer, unless he is
> trained and current in other weather conditions.
>
> I would be the last person to encourage others to get into
> situations that are beyond their limits. However, the only way to
> learn and stay proficient, at other than fair weather, is to get
> out, learn, and train in challenging conditions.
>
> The primary reason I try to stay proficient, in all types of
> weather, is the chance of getting caught out in it. Very easy to
> do. If I am not comfortable in these situations, I am bound to make
> mistakes.
>
> I have a 25 mph wind limit, but there are times when I have no
> choice but to fly in far greater wind conditions. I want to be
> comfortable and proficient enough to get home safe and sound.
>
> If I was primarily a local, fair weather flyer, I'd make it a point
> to get out and at least do some pattern work, especially during
> breezy New Mexico conditions.
>
> Flying is a high risk sport, especially in something one has built
> in his basement. I know how my airplanes are built, except when I
> am flying others.
>
> If flying was not risky, exciting, challenging, fun, and
> adventuresome, I'd stick to dirt bikes, ATVs, and mountain biking.
>
> I had the chance to see some Kolb pilots from Lousiana fly out
> West, clear up into Oregon. I watched them encounter weather
> conditions that most pilots would only dream about. My two Cajun
> buddies did an outstanding job of flying, max gross, for the first
> time, and surviving, in their Kolb MKIII's, through deserts and the
> Rocky Mountains. I have flown out there many times, and I was
> screwing up more than they were. ;-) We had a blast.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
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ellerly=2C what part of florida? I am just north of Orlando.
daniel
fsII amphibian
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: M3-Classic
From: elleryweld@aol.com
Kolbers it looks like I will be headed south soon to pick up a M3-Classic
from Florida I am sure that Plane will do me well
I got burned out Building eveyone elses airplanes and kept working on other
s instead of my own and decided that I could buy one all flying Cheaper tha
n Building my MK3Xtra so I will be selling the kit I have and I will be hau
nting the sky's again in a week or so
oh This one doesnt have VG's just the way I like it
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Fri=2C Jun 26=2C 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Thank you
> Those two guys and their remarks have always stuck with me...
>
> Not Kolb related so....
>
>
> LS
Lucien:
A fair weather flyer will remain a fair weather flyer=2C unless he is train
ed and current in other weather conditions.
I would be the last person to encourage others to get into situations that
are beyond their limits. However=2C the only way to learn and stay proficie
nt=2C at other than fair weather=2C is to get out=2C learn=2C and train in
challenging conditions.
The primary reason I try to stay proficient=2C in all types of weather=2C i
s the chance of getting caught out in it. Very easy to do. If I am not comf
ortable in these situations=2C I am bound to make mistakes.
I have a 25 mph wind limit=2C but there are times when I have no choice but
to fly in far greater wind conditions. I want to be comfortable and profic
ient enough to get home safe and sound.
If I was primarily a local=2C fair weather flyer=2C I'd make it a point to
get out and at least do some pattern work=2C especially during breezy New M
exico conditions.
Flying is a high risk sport=2C especially in something one has built in his
basement. I know how my airplanes are built=2C except when I am flying oth
ers.
If flying was not risky=2C exciting=2C challenging=2C fun=2C and adventures
ome=2C I'd stick to dirt bikes=2C ATVs=2C and mountain biking.
I had the chance to see some Kolb pilots from Lousiana fly out West=2C clea
r up into Oregon. I watched them encounter weather conditions that most pil
ots would only dream about. My two Cajun buddies did an outstanding job of
flying=2C max gross=2C for the first time=2C and surviving=2C in their Kolb
MKIII's=2C through deserts and the Rocky Mountains. I have flown out there
many times=2C and I was screwing up more than they were. =3B-) We had a bl
ast.
john h
mkIII
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Ralph B wrote:
>
>
> There are VG's underneath the elevator just ahead of the hinges. I've been tempted
to remove them.
>
> Ralph
There are VG's on the Airliners that I fly, and I have also been tempted to remove
them... But its not even legal to fly the airplane without its VG's :(
I'm sure an airliner will fly just fine without its VG's, but the experts keep
saying not to due to reduced handling qualities. What do they know, these companies
only have 70 + years experience building airplanes, thousands of engineers,
and billions of dollars in research behind them. I think the Vortex Generators
these major aircraft manufacturers put on their airplanes are not needed.
I think we should show them how useless VG's really are [Wink]
Mike
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have !!!
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| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cayuna 430 and Pterodactyl |
Do we have a Dac list here on Matronics? well anyway I am going to go and check
in there, if i can find it. This project will be going on for two more weeks.
I am sure some were grinding their theeth while I was talking about the Dac ( I'd
rather be in a Kolb any Kolb if I could swing it on the budget I have) but
the help I got here was very "safety" valuable, helping a pilot stay alive I think
is always a more overiding concern than turf zone comfort.
I am sure John and everybody else here were awere of it.
Ron @ KFHU
================================================
---- Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
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At 05:41 PM 6/25/2009, Ron @ KFHU wrote:
>Well I am back and well after hanging under that 30+ year old Dacron for
>an hr and some minutes. The Bulb I got from Kolb worked just fine, the old
>Cuyuna worked without once sputtering. Whatever we did took care of the
>issues...
Cool! I'd still suggest getting rid of the bulb and adding a plunger
primer. I have become convinced primer bulbs are evil, and will never
again put one on any aircraft (I still have them on my PPG's, but an engine
out in a PPG is generally a non event, and I'll replace them with plungers
when they wear out).
>One more problem though, on anything more than 60% power it just
>powerfully wants to climb, and I am not about to snap one of them
>connecting roads by forcing the canard down, it already looks like its
>under strain, not to mention my arm pushing forward on the stick.
Just be careful. As I'm sure you know, it's easy to exceed Vne in level
flight in a 'Dac, and a depressing number of pilots have died this
way. (Yes, John, I know this isn't the Pterodactyl list, so I say... do
not archive.)
-Dana
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| Subject: | VG test done on GA airplane, and "Slow flight" with VGS |
FYI Kolb Pilots,
..A GA pilot friend of my Tested VG's on his Scout.Don't do this
yourself.... He taped the VG's on only one wing. His wings where well
balance prior to test. He tested stalling his plane at altitude. The wing
without VGs always stalled first.
Next that he came in low over the runway, in ground effect, and had to use
full aileron to keep the wing without VG's up. Not sure what he would have
done if he ran out of aileron? He now flies with VG's.
As for the question about VG's on the tail.On U-tube there are some great
videos put on by Stlmusic.
If you watch the one call "Kolb in slow flight". IF I remember the post that
was on the list last year, the Kolb you are watching only has VG's on the
Tail.
For what is worth.
Nick Cassara
Palmer , Alaska
Zero hours in a Kolb
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| Subject: | Re: VG test done on GA airplane, and "Slow flight" with VGS |
Nick:
Your GA pilot friend seems to have less than good judgement.
You forgot to mention a few things in your post:
1-If it took full aileron to keep the VG-less wing up in ground effect,
it probably took full aileron to keep the wing up in any part of the
flight. How did he do when he climbed up to stall the airplane?
2-Requiring full aileron to fly in ground effect, the pilot would have
become aware of this soon as he broke ground, or most likely soon as the
mains started getting light. Seems like at this point of the flight, he
would have been running out of rudder and cajones.
For what it is worth,
john h
mkIII
..A GA pilot friend of my Tested VG's on his Scout.Don't do this
yourself.... He taped the VG's on only one wing. His wings where well
balance prior to test. He tested stalling his plane at altitude. The
wing without VGs always stalled first.
Next that he came in low over the runway, in ground effect, and had to
use full aileron to keep the wing without VG's up. Not sure what he
would have done if he ran out of aileron? He now flies with VG's.
For what is worth.
Nick Cassara
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| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
Nice videos, I like the titan nice airplane, but while I was watching the flick
it became quite obvious that its not comparable to the Kolb the same as a Kolb
is not comparable to it. The Kolb is graded more to the STOL if not by design
then by its performance, the Titan made me think of a C-150 in terms of its
performance. Its a more modern design for sure. I would like to see it at MV,
hell I would like to fly my M3X and then fly a Titan and see what impression
I am left with. I like the idea of the titanium landing gear. How are they holding
up?
Ron @ KFHU
==============
---- lucien <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com> wrote:
============
[quote="JetPilot"]
lucien wrote:
>
> dalewhelan wrote:
> >
> >
> > I don't take chances with my equipment or my life to achieve status anymore,
even tho that rankles some. Too bad.
> >
> > LS
>
>
> I have been waiting to see videos of Lucien doing loops, rolls, and spins in
his Titan but nothing yet... I also have been wanting to see how the Titan will
handle those 50 MPH gales they have in New Mexico and the extreme flight reports
! We need to get Lucien back in his competitive spirit again ;)
>
> Mike
The limitation isn't the plane, it's the pilot. The local II S flies in crap I
wouldn't dare take mine up in, he flies a bit closer to the edge than I like to.
I do plan to barrel roll it at some point, but I want to get some training in rolls
first. The original owner (JD) rolled it a bunch and there're videos here
and there of it.
Here he is flying it when it had the original 80 horse 912 on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6fb8tMQ7wI
Here's me trying to do a good landing in it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qqAS_NAlDk&feature=channel
Not Kolb related so
do not archive
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
Richard I have not seen a post from Mike Welsh on Valley engineering???
I googled yesterday and got a hold of PPG propellers. Later finally got a hold
of someone at T.N. Props and he suggested that I see if the holes line up and
if maybe I can drill holes to get the prop on. As it turned out the hub already
had about 6 frigging holes in it and by pure chance I guess, two actually lined
up with my hub. I took the backing plates off bolted them in on the two lined
up holes, and drilled another two. It is on now fine looking pretty as it
gets, with one caveat all the frigging holes in that hub can't do much for strength.
I got some other things going but if the whirl can stay on at full power
on the Cuyuna then its strong enough. I never use full throttle in that Dack
anyway. I was told that I can get another prop and pass on the cost, so now
I may buy another one just for grins. I still trust the one I repaired a hell
of a lot more than this new one with the cheese hub.
Ron @ KFHU
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---- Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
============
Ron, I second the opinion Mike Welch gave you on the Valley Engineering
folks doing Culver Props. About 10 years back I bought a Culver Prop for a
LongEZ project (pre VE Culver). I bought it from a reputable fellow who had
been keeping it under the bed for the day he needed a spare. It had been
designed using the Don Bates "Prop Optimizer" software and was supposed to
be just the ticket for up to 125 HP. Skip ahead a few years and I was
getting ready to move and clearing out old projects. I sold the prop to a
Varieze owner who wanted a spare prop. He mounted it and said it was okay,
just nothing special on his O-235 C1 Lyc at 108 HP. He called Valley
Engineering who had just bought the Culver business and they offered to take
a look at it and see if there was anything that could be done to improve it.
Mike got the prop back, put it on and was amazed to find the prop was not
only perfectly smooth, but his Varieze was now 40 knots faster than before.
Best thing was, all it cost was mailing. VE didn't charge him a dime.Skip
ahead a few years more and I told this story to someone here on the Kolb
list. Forgive me I don't remember who it was, it might have been Grant, but
while he didn't get that level of improvement he did get back an improved
prop for the same cost as Mike paid.
So yeah, the guys at Valley Engineering seem to know what they're doing and
they treat folks right.
Rick
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Ron @ KFHU <captainron1@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I remember several people talking about Tennessee Propellers, so for my
> replacement I called them up Wednesday Morning early and see if they got a
> prop for me. A fellow there Steve was talking with me, gave him all the
> dimensions and so on, he called later said he has a prop for me. Placed a
> rush order on it FEX O.N. . Well it came in Today a day late, and with the
> wrong hole pattern. It seems that they only work there half day as anytime I
> call after 10am my time, or noon their time, no one is answering the phone.
> The prop is nice it came with a nick on the trailing age near the tip of
> one blade.
> Seems like them boys there are not focused 100% on shop stuff. Is there
> anyone else that can do wood props or they are pretty much all we got for
> vintage wood props.
>
>
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| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
Okay here is your post, thanks I think I'll do that.
Sounds like they are 100% on the business. I will say this about T.N. Props that
if we are not rushed and if we send them a template and not shake their world,
than I doubt we can find nicer props than what they make. Marcel Bloch the
one that designed the Mirage combat jets said once that when it comes to aerodynamics
" if it looks pretty it is good, if it looks very pretty it is very good".
T.N. Props are very good looking indeed.
Ron @ KFHU
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---- Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
============
Ron,
You might call Valley Engineering in Rolla, MO. I just met the whole bunch of
them about two weeks ago. They are truly a family operation, from Gene, the
eldest, and his wife, to his son (I think his name was Larry), and Larry's sons
and daughter-in-laws.
They gave me the dime tour of their entire operation. They fabricate entire
airplanes, convert VW engines, make belt redrive units for VWs and Generac engines,
and lastly; they bought out Culver Props awhile back, and now they produce
them.
One of the daughter-in-laws was laying out maple planks, for laminating a huge
8 foot prop blank for an order that had to go out that day. She showed me the
order. I said "hmm, mahogany throughout". She said "oh my gosh, I didn't
see that. You just saved me from making a maple prop!!" (cute story, not trying
to put them down. She would have caught it soon enough)
At any rate, do an internet search for Valley Engineering. They'll fix you up
with a good wood prop. Tell 'em Mike Welch sent ya.
Mike Welch
> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:00:31 -0400
> From: captainron1@cox.net
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: T.N. Props
>
>
> I remember several people talking about Tennessee Propellers, so for my replacement
I called them up Wednesday Morning early and see if they got a prop for
me. A fellow there Steve was talking with me, gave him all the dimensions and
so on, he called later said he has a prop for me. Placed a rush order on it FEX
O.N. . Well it came in Today a day late, and with the wrong hole pattern. It
seems that they only work there half day as anytime I call after 10am my time,
or noon their time, no one is answering the phone.
> The prop is nice it came with a nick on the trailing age near the tip of one
blade.
> Seems like them boys there are not focused 100% on shop stuff. Is there anyone
else that can do wood props or they are pretty much all we got for vintage wood
props.
>
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Does the hub of the drive have an alignment boss in the center" Is the prop
counterbored to locate on it? If so, is the counterbore in the prop
centered, i.e. equal distance from each blade tip? I'm asking because I'd
venture that without measuring equipment more sophisticated than a tape
measure you don't know if the 2 holes through which you can get bolts in
mate with the drive hub are keeping the prop centered. I'd do a lot of
ground running to make sure it is close to balanced. As for the extra holes,
you can plug them with dowel rod slathered with epoxy to seal the holes and
prevent cracks from being generated, however, it's your butt on the line
here. If you have the option of getting a new or at least better prop you
should think strongly about following that route, IMHO. We've lost a couple
of members of this forum who are sorely missed, I'd hate to think something
as silly as a bum prop could take another. Be careful Ron, this flying stuff
can be terribly exacting for seemingly minor mistakes.
Rick
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Ron @ KFHU <captainron1@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Richard I have not seen a post from Mike Welsh on Valley engineering???
>
> I googled yesterday and got a hold of PPG propellers. Later finally got a
> hold of someone at T.N. Props and he suggested that I see if the holes line
> up and if maybe I can drill holes to get the prop on. As it turned out the
> hub already had about 6 frigging holes in it and by pure chance I guess,
> two actually lined up with my hub. I took the backing plates off bolted
> them in on the two lined up holes, and drilled another two. It is on now
> fine looking pretty as it gets, with one caveat all the frigging holes in
> that hub can't do much for strength. I got some other things going but if
> the whirl can stay on at full power on the Cuyuna then its strong enough. I
> never use full throttle in that Dack anyway. I was told that I can get
> another prop and pass on the cost, so now I may buy another one just for
> grins. I still trust the one I repaired a hell of a lot more than this new
> one with the cheese hub.
>
> Ron @ KFHU
> ========================
>
>
> ---- Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ============
> Ron, I second the opinion Mike Welch gave you on the Valley Engineering
> folks doing Culver Props. About 10 years back I bought a Culver Prop for a
> LongEZ project (pre VE Culver). I bought it from a reputable fellow who
> had
> been keeping it under the bed for the day he needed a spare. It had been
> designed using the Don Bates "Prop Optimizer" software and was supposed to
> be just the ticket for up to 125 HP. Skip ahead a few years and I was
> getting ready to move and clearing out old projects. I sold the prop to a
> Varieze owner who wanted a spare prop. He mounted it and said it was okay,
> just nothing special on his O-235 C1 Lyc at 108 HP. He called Valley
> Engineering who had just bought the Culver business and they offered to
> take
> a look at it and see if there was anything that could be done to improve
> it.
> Mike got the prop back, put it on and was amazed to find the prop was not
> only perfectly smooth, but his Varieze was now 40 knots faster than before.
> Best thing was, all it cost was mailing. VE didn't charge him a dime.Skip
> ahead a few years more and I told this story to someone here on the Kolb
> list. Forgive me I don't remember who it was, it might have been Grant, but
> while he didn't get that level of improvement he did get back an improved
> prop for the same cost as Mike paid.
> So yeah, the guys at Valley Engineering seem to know what they're doing and
> they treat folks right.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Ron @ KFHU <captainron1@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > I remember several people talking about Tennessee Propellers, so for my
> > replacement I called them up Wednesday Morning early and see if they got
> a
> > prop for me. A fellow there Steve was talking with me, gave him all the
> > dimensions and so on, he called later said he has a prop for me. Placed a
> > rush order on it FEX O.N. . Well it came in Today a day late, and with
> the
> > wrong hole pattern. It seems that they only work there half day as
> anytime I
> > call after 10am my time, or noon their time, no one is answering the
> phone.
> > The prop is nice it came with a nick on the trailing age near the tip of
> > one blade.
> > Seems like them boys there are not focused 100% on shop stuff. Is there
> > anyone else that can do wood props or they are pretty much all we got for
> > vintage wood props.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> kugelair.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing |
Kolbers,
This is a follow up. Before taking pressure readings, I moved the high
pressure reference point for the air fuel mixture control to a positive
dynamic pressure tap in the carburetor inlet. By doing this all air
attribute changes are common to both the low and high pressure probes, so
that when I test the scoop, it will effect both probes. Flight testing
has shown that the system works well with this arrangement.
How it was done can be seen as an update on the end of:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly146.html
The testing is complete of the filter housing. Before testing I installed a
static pressure probe into the inside of the filter, and added a static
pressure reference probe to the nose of the FireFly. Then baseline pressure
readings were taken with the housing rotated up so that the scoop was
sensing static pressure. This was followed by successive flights where the
scoop rotated forward to 30, 60, and 90 degrees.
What I found was that the scoop rotated to straight a head can raise the
pressure inside the filter to slightly above the reference static pressure.
By doing so the engine is running as if there was no filter attached to the
carburetor. This more closely approximates test cell conditions and
resulted in a pick up of 200+ rpm at max cruise speed in level flight. I
have added a little more pitch to the propeller. Description of how it was
done can be seen on the bottom update of:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly147.html
I am listing jumps to the my old web site as I can still upload and access
it. I am having trouble with the new one.
I am anxious to get back in the air and revisit the fuel flow study to see
if I can squeeze a little more distance out of a gallon of fuel.
Fly safe.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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it is coming with a Trailer and I am not leaving it there
Ellery
-----Original Message-----
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:49 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: M3-Classic
? Good luck, Ellery.? Are you flying it back, or trailering?
?
???????????????????????????????????????????? Bill Sullivan
???????????????????????????????????????????? Windsor Locks, Ct.
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Brooksvill florida but the owner is going to meet me in North Caroliner (M
ARINE) fresh out of Iraq second tour a great time for me to meet with him
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: daniel myers <h20maule@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:38 am
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: M3-Classic
ellerly, what part of florida? I am just north of=C2-Orlando.
daniel
fsII amphibian
=C2-
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: M3-Classic
From: elleryweld@aol.com
Kolbers =C2-it looks like I will be headed south soon to pick up a M3-Cl
assic from Florida I am sure that Plane will do me well
I got burned out Building eveyone elses airplanes and kept working on othe
rs instead of my own and decided that I could buy one all flying Cheaper
than Building my MK3Xtra so I will be selling the kit I have and I will
be haunting the sky's again in a week or so
oh This one doesnt have VG's just the way I like it
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Thank you
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> Not Kolb related so....=C2-
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> LS=C2-
=C2-
Lucien:=C2-
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A fair weather flyer will remain a fair weather flyer, unless he is traine
d and current in other weather conditions.=C2-
=C2-
I would be the last person to encourage others to get into situations that
are beyond their limits. However, the only way to learn and stay proficie
nt, at other than fair weather, is to get out, learn, and train in challen
ging conditions.=C2-
=C2-
The primary reason I try to stay proficient, in all types of weather, is
the chance of getting caught out in it. Very easy to do. If I am not comf
ortable in these situations, I am bound to make mistakes.=C2-
=C2-
I have a 25 mph wind limit, but there are times when I have no choice but
to fly in far greater wind conditions. I want to be comfortable and profi
cient enough to get home safe and sound.=C2-
=C2-
If I was primarily a local, fair weather flyer, I'd make it a point to get
out and at least do some pattern work, especially during breezy New Mexic
o conditions.=C2-
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Flying is a high risk sport, especially in something one has built in his
basement. I know how my airplanes are built, except when I am flying othe
rs.=C2-
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If flying was not risky, exciting, challenging, fun, and adventuresome, I'
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I had the chance to see some Kolb pilots from Lousiana fly out West, clear
up into Oregon. I watched them encounter weather conditions that most pil
ots would only dream about. My two Cajun buddies did an outstanding job of
flying, max gross, for the first time, and surviving, in their Kolb MKIII
's, through deserts
and the Rocky Mountains. I have flown out there many times, and I was scr
ewing up more than they were. ;-) We had a blast.=C2-
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> I am anxious to get back in the air and revisit the fuel flow study to
see
> if I can squeeze a little more distance out of a gallon of fuel.
>
> Fly safe.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
How do you figure wind into your test for max distance on a gal of fuel?
Wouldn't endurance be more accurate?
john h
mkIII
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I don't know......maybe it ain't the VGs that would make you a little
light headed?
At 09:08 PM 6/25/2009, you wrote:
>
>Possum:
>
>Think this guy has VGs on his helmet, just like Buford.
>I'd try the helmet VGs but afraid I might get a little light headed.
>john h
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My son is the Marine=C2- I was talking about=C2- in that last post
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@aol.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: M3-Classic
Brooksvill florida but the owner is going to meet me in North Caroliner (M
ARINE) fresh out of Iraq second tour a great time for me to meet with him
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: daniel myers <h20maule@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:38 am
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: M3-Classic
ellerly, what part of florida? I am just north of=C2-Orlando.
daniel
fsII amphibian
=C2-
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: M3-Classic
From: elleryweld@aol.com
Kolbers =C2-it looks like I will be headed south soon to pick up a M3-Cl
assic from Florida I am sure that Plane will do me well
I got burned out Building eveyone elses airplanes and kept working on othe
rs instead of my own and decided that I could buy one all flying Cheaper
than Building my MK3Xtra so I will be selling the kit I have and I will
be haunting the sky's again in a week or so
oh This one doesnt have VG's just the way I like it
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Thank you
elmore.rr.com>=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
> Those two guys and their remarks have always stuck with me...=C2-
>=C2-
> Not Kolb related so....=C2-
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> LS=C2-
=C2-
Lucien:=C2-
=C2-
A fair weather flyer will remain a fair weather flyer, unless he is traine
d and current in other weather conditions.=C2-
=C2-
I would be the last person to encourage others to get into situations that
are beyond their limits. However, the only way to learn and stay proficie
nt, at other than fair weather, is to get out, learn, and train in challen
ging conditions.=C2-
=C2-
The primary reason I try to stay proficient, in all types of weather, is
the chance of getting caught out in it. Very easy to do. If I am not comf
ortable in these situations, I am bound to make mistakes.=C2-
=C2-
I have a 25 mph wind limit, but there are times when I have no choice but
to fly in far greater wind conditions. I want to be comfortable and profi
cient enough to get home safe and sound.=C2-
=C2-
If I was primarily a local, fair weather flyer, I'd ma ke it a point to ge
t out and at least do some pattern work, especially during breezy New Mexi
co conditions.=C2-
=C2-
Flying is a high risk sport, especially in something one has built in his
basement. I know how my airplanes are built, except when I am flying othe
rs.=C2-
=C2-
If flying was not risky, exciting, challenging, fun, and adventuresome, I'
d stick to dirt bikes, ATVs, and mountain biking.=C2-
=C2-
I had the chance to see some Kolb pilots from20Lousiana fly out West, clea
r up into Oregon. I watched them encounter weather conditions that most pi
lots would only dream about. My two Cajun buddies did an outstanding job
of flying, max gross, for the first time, and surviving, in their Kolb MK
III's, through deserts and the Rocky Mountains. I have flown out there man
y times, and I was screwing up more than they were. ;-) We had a blast.=C2
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| Subject: | Re: Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing |
At 08:44 PM 6/27/09 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>How do you figure wind into your test for max distance on a gal of fuel?
>
>Wouldn't endurance be more accurate?
>
John,
What is important is burn rate. With the air fuel mixture control, I can
run constant EGT for any cruise rpm. So far when flying over a half an
hour, the burn rates for the same EGT and rpm calculate out to with in 0.03
gph of each other. With the burn rate nailed down and calculating
endurance, I can head out to some distant point and by using my stick in
flight timer and the expected arrival time on the GPS to determine if I will
be able to make it. I learned very early to do this when I ran the Rotax
447. I flew to my EAA Chapter meetings 54 miles away. Several times I
could not make it as the head winds were too high. I had to turn around and
put the FireFly in the hangar and drive to the meetings.
When flying the FireFly to Indiana from Southeast Missouri, I had to divert
several times due to high head winds.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing |
Jack
Nice work...might be worth a patent application? Everyone surely
appreciates the ability to hold egts constant...? Or at least dial them in...
May have asked...what is wrong with automating the jet needle to
do same? Herb
At 10:19 PM 6/27/2009, you wrote:
>
>At 08:44 PM 6/27/09 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >How do you figure wind into your test for max distance on a gal of fuel?
> >
> >Wouldn't endurance be more accurate?
> >
>
>John,
>
>What is important is burn rate. With the air fuel mixture control, I can
>run constant EGT for any cruise rpm. So far when flying over a half an
>hour, the burn rates for the same EGT and rpm calculate out to with in 0.03
>gph of each other. With the burn rate nailed down and calculating
>endurance, I can head out to some distant point and by using my stick in
>flight timer and the expected arrival time on the GPS to determine if I will
>be able to make it. I learned very early to do this when I ran the Rotax
>447. I flew to my EAA Chapter meetings 54 miles away. Several times I
>could not make it as the head winds were too high. I had to turn around and
>put the FireFly in the hangar and drive to the meetings.
>
>When flying the FireFly to Indiana from Southeast Missouri, I had to divert
>several times due to high head winds.
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Winchester, IN
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>06/27/09 17:55:00
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| Subject: | Re: Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing |
With the burn rate nailed down and calculating
>>endurance, I can head out to some distant point and by using my stick in
>>flight timer and the expected arrival time on the GPS to determine if I
>>will
>>be able to make it. I learned very early to do this when I ran the Rotax
>>447. I flew to my EAA Chapter meetings 54 miles away. Several times I
>>could not make it as the head winds were too high. I had to turn around
>>and
>>put the FireFly in the hangar and drive to the meetings.
>>
>>Jack B. Hart FF004
Jack:
I have flown cross country flights since my first one 41 years ago the same
way with the exception of the GPS, of course.
I nail down fuel burn, on a new aircraft, on my first short cross country.
That figure normally stays the same.
Since I started using GPS in 1993, I punch in my fuel burn and know, at any
time during my cross country flight, how much fuel I will arrive with. As a
minimum I like to have a one hour reserve or 5 gals. Even better, I don't
like getting below a half tank which is 12.5 gal reserve.
I'd have a hard time flying a cross country with a max of 5 gal, although I
started with the US which had 3.5 gal max. Addition of a third go cart tank
and I was up to 5.25 gal. Soon after, Kolb came up with a 6 gal main. Then
I was up to 7.75 gal. Cross country in the US was a lot of fun. Read the
map, memorize the heading, distance, and check points. Fold up the map and
sit on it until the next landing when I could take another look at it. A
little more difficult than navigating with the Garmin 196.
john h
mkIII
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A little more difficult than navigating with the Garmin 196.
I remember - but that was what you had to do to get home. BTW getting
home was what got you in trouble.
We had CB's. then aircraft radios, then "the boat things (lorans)
with the wires going back to our tails"
now the GPS system. Fun if you just got there.
Photo shopped of course - but like it was - fly low & don't trust anything.
>Jack:
>
>I have flown cross country flights since my first one 41 years ago
>the same way with the exception of the GPS, of course.
>Cross country in the US was a lot of fun. Read the map, memorize
>the heading, distance, and check points. Fold up the map and sit on
>it until the next landing when I could take another look at it. A
>little more difficult than navigating with the Garmin 196.
>
>john h
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| Subject: | Re: Cuyuna 430 and Pterodactyl |
Does anyone know the proper belt tension for the 4 belt drive? About how
much flex in the middle in inches(or MM)
My Cuyuna turns up 5750 at T.O. and 5950 max cruise.Ultrastar climbs out
at
700 FPM,cruise 5000 RPM at 50mph,CHT around 290 deg.Takes off in 80'
with a
little headwind on concrete.
I know it needs less pitch(has an Ultraprop 3 blade 48") but it flies
great.
Am I loading it down too much?
Thanks,Mark.....Ultrastar with 30hrs since March
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