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1. 04:11 AM - Re: Re: M3-Classic (loseyf@comcast.net)
2. 05:08 AM - Re: Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing (Jack B. Hart)
3. 06:09 AM - Rusty Rivets (poorboy)
4. 06:25 AM - Re: Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing (John Hauck)
5. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: Cuyuna 430 and Pterodactyl (John Hauck)
6. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: M3-Classic (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
7. 06:49 AM - Re: Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing (robert bean)
8. 07:42 AM - Re: T.N. Props (jerb)
9. 12:10 PM - Re: T.N. Props (Herb)
10. 12:18 PM - Re: T.N. Props (John Hauck)
11. 12:31 PM - Re: T.N. Props (Herb)
12. 04:09 PM - Penetrating oils (Richard Girard)
13. 04:54 PM - Re: Penetrating oils (John Hauck)
14. 05:09 PM - Re: VG test done on GA airplane, and "Slow flight" with VGS (ronlee)
15. 05:49 PM - Re: T.N. Props (Ron @ KFHU)
16. 06:12 PM - Re: Penetrating oils (robert bean)
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Subject: | Re: Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing |
At 10:01 PM 6/27/09 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Jack
>
> Nice work...might be worth a patent application? Everyone surely
>appreciates the ability to hold egts constant...? Or at least dial them in...
>
> May have asked...what is wrong with automating the jet needle to
>do same? Herb
>
Herb,
There is nothing wrong with automating the needle. One could sense the EGT
and use a electrical feedback mechanism and a servo to adjust the needle.
The reason I didn't take this approach is that I am not good at electrical
things and I didn't like the failure mode possibilities, the weight, and the
cost.
What I have come up with is, I believe, simpler to make, costs about $50,
bullet proof, and easy to use. One has to drill two holes in the carburetor
to insert the probes, but no jets or needle has been changed.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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I have built several kolbs in the past and now I have a Kolb Firestar project that
I stored poorly last year and picked up a little bit of rivet rust (my faulty
storage). This is an older kit with steel rivets and I will replace some
of the rivets with Stainless Steel rivets, if memory serves me correctly it
seems that some kolb kits came with steel rivets and some came with Stainless
Steel rivets.
My question to the list is what products and procedures are recommended to paint
or coat the steel rivet heads before covering.
I am tempted to replace some of the steel rivets with SS in some high stress areas
as the Stainless Steel rivets are stronger and of coarse they won't rust
but I know that Stainless Steel rivets are a real bugger if you need to remove
them, I'd like to hear the discussion on what rivet (steel or SS) is advantageous
on the kolb, I don't know if my temptation to remove some of the Steel rivets
and replace them with SS is worth the effort.
When removing a rivet I use 7/64 drill bit and remove the head with a chisel,
then knock out the remaining stem before installing a new rivet. That is the
procedure I use, anyone got a better one.
I'd like to hear the lists comments on anti rust products and rivet removal procedures,
I guess I am too lazy a bugger to look up what post posts on the subject
so I hope folks don't mind my reposting this question.
Thanks.... Jim H.
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Subject: | Re: Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing |
Possum:
I remember those two items. Would have had both on my Ultrastar, but
could not afford the Ultrastar and the luxury of a CB and a LORAN back
then. All the UL Parts Catalogs had them advertised.
It was a great adventure to be able to make it there and back home.
john h
mkIII
I remember - but that was what you had to do to get home. BTW getting
home was what got you in trouble.
We had CB's. then aircraft radios, then "the boat things (lorans) with
the wires going back to our tails"
now the GPS system. Fun if you just got there.
Photo shopped of course - but like it was - fly low & don't trust
anything.
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Subject: | Re: Cuyuna 430 and Pterodactyl |
MessageThe Kolb belt drive used two poly-V belts on the Ultrastar and
Cuyuna ULII02. I don't know about 4 belt drives.
Kits came with a Culver 50X30 prop. This was a near perfect prop for
the US. I imagine Valley Engineering is probably still carving that
particular prop.
john h
mkIII
Does anyone know the proper belt tension for the 4 belt drive? About
how much flex in the middle in inches(or MM)
I know it needs less pitch(has an Ultraprop 3 blade 48") but it flies
great. Am I loading it down too much?
Thanks,Mark.....Ultrastar with 30hrs since March
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I will do just that I think in the future he will be a Kolb Pilot also he wants
me to teach him how to fly when he will be around enough but he is getting married
in another month so it might be a long while?
Ellery in Maine?
-----Original Message-----
From: loseyf@comcast.net
Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:08 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: M3-Classic
Oorah!
Thank him for me for his service to our Country, Semper Fi
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: Ellery Batchelder Jr
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: M3-Classic
Brooksvill florida but the owner is going to meet me in North Carolin= er (MARINE)
fresh out of Iraq second tour a great time for me to meet with= him
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: daniel myers <h20maule@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:38 am
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: M3-Classic
ellerly, what part of florida? I am just north of?Orlando.
daniel
fsII amphibian
?
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: M3-Classic
From: elleryweld@aol.com
Kolbers ?it looks like I will be headed south soon to pick up a= M3-Classic from
Florida I am sure that Plane will do me well
I got burned out Building eveyone elses airplanes and kept working on othe= rs
instead of my own and decided that I could buy one all flying Cheaper= than Building
my MK3Xtra so I will be selling the kit I have and I will= be haunting
the sky's again in a week or so
oh This one doesnt have VG's just the way I like it
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmo= re.rr.com>
Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Thank you
?
?
> Those two guys and their remarks have always stuck with me...? >?
> Not Kolb related so....?
>?
>?
> LS?
?
Lucien:?
?
A fair weather flyer will remain a fair weather flyer, unless he is traine= d and
current in other weather conditions.?
?
I would be the last person to encourage others to get into situations that= are
beyond their limits. However, the only way to learn and stay proficie= nt, at
other than fair weather, is to get out, learn, and train in challen= ging conditions.?
?
The primary reason I try to stay proficient, in all types of weather, is= the chance
of getting caught out in it. Very easy to do. If I am not comf= ortable
in these situations, I am bound to make mistakes.?
?
I have a 25 mph wind limit, but there are times when I have no choice but= to fly
in far greater wind conditions. I want to be comfortable and profi= cient enough
to get home safe and sound.?
?
If I was primarily a local, fair weather flyer, I'd ma ke it a point to get out
and at least do some pattern work, especially dur= ing breezy New Mexico conditions.?
?
Flying is a high risk sport, especially in something one has built in his= basement.
I know how my airplanes are built, except when I am flying othe= rs.?
?
If flying was not risky, exciting, challenging, fun, and adventuresome, I'= d stick
to dirt bikes, ATVs, and mountain biking.?
?
I had the chance to see some Kolb pilots from Lousiana fly out West, clear= up
into Oregon. I watched them encounter weather conditions that most pil= ots would
only dream about. My two Cajun buddies did an outstanding job of= flying,
max gross, for the first time, and surviving, in their Kolb MKIII= 's, through
deserts and the Rocky Mountains. I have flown out there many= times, and I was
screwing up more than they were. ;-) We had a blast.&nbs= p;
?
john h?
mkIII ?
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Subject: | Re: Dynamic Air Pressure Filter Housing |
A map and a compass will do the job. -A little more work but
challenging.
Flying in areas like north central Ohio all the little towns look the
same. It can get confusing.
I'm glad I had a windproof cabin at the time, an ultrastar would make
it tough going.
BB
On 28, Jun 2009, at 9:05 AM, John Hauck wrote:
> Possum:
>
> I remember those two items. Would have had both on my Ultrastar,
> but could not afford the Ultrastar and the luxury of a CB and a
> LORAN back then. All the UL Parts Catalogs had them advertised.
>
> It was a great adventure to be able to make it there and back home.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> I remember - but that was what you had to do to get home. BTW
> getting home was what got you in trouble.
> We had CB's. then aircraft radios, then "the boat things (lorans)
> with the wires going back to our tails"
> now the GPS system. Fun if you just got there.
> Photo shopped of course - but like it was - fly low & don't trust
> anything.
>
>
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Drilling a second set of mounting holes into the hub, would that not
weaken that area just a mite?
Don't sound right to me, cheese hub prop, I don't like sound of
that. Send it back. Give them the time to do it right or order a
Culver from Valley Engineering.
jerb
At 09:46 AM 6/27/2009, you wrote:
>
>Richard I have not seen a post from Mike Welsh on Valley engineering???
>
>I googled yesterday and got a hold of PPG propellers. Later finally
>got a hold of someone at T.N. Props and he suggested that I see if
>the holes line up and if maybe I can drill holes to get the prop on.
>As it turned out the hub already had about 6 frigging holes in it
>and by pure chance I guess, two actually lined up with my hub. I
>took the backing plates off bolted them in on the two lined up
>holes, and drilled another two. It is on now fine looking pretty as
>it gets, with one caveat all the frigging holes in that hub can't do
>much for strength. I got some other things going but if the whirl
>can stay on at full power on the Cuyuna then its strong enough. I
>never use full throttle in that Dack anyway. I was told that I can
>get another prop and pass on the cost, so now I may buy another one
>just for grins. I still trust the one I repaired a hell of a lot
>more than this new one with the cheese hub.
>
>Ron @ KFHU
>========================
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Some guys just glue maple dowells in the old holes and start over...
Recall that the glue is stronger than the wood...:-)
fwiw...I have a friend who got a prop from a well known co...with
the holes mis aligned... He went down there to show them the problem
and came home shaking his head ...They use an old , in his words;
worn out drill press...to drill the holes.. He plugged the holes and
drilled new ones...Herb
At 09:40 AM 6/28/2009, you wrote:
>
>Drilling a second set of mounting holes into the hub, would that not
>weaken that area just a mite?
>Don't sound right to me, cheese hub prop, I don't like sound of
>that. Send it back. Give them the time to do it right or order a
>Culver from Valley Engineering.
>jerb
>
>
>At 09:46 AM 6/27/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>Richard I have not seen a post from Mike Welsh on Valley engineering???
>>
>>I googled yesterday and got a hold of PPG propellers. Later finally
>>got a hold of someone at T.N. Props and he suggested that I see if
>>the holes line up and if maybe I can drill holes to get the prop
>>on. As it turned out the hub already had about 6 frigging holes in
>>it and by pure chance I guess, two actually lined up with my hub.
>>I took the backing plates off bolted them in on the two lined up
>>holes, and drilled another two. It is on now fine looking pretty as
>>it gets, with one caveat all the frigging holes in that hub can't
>>do much for strength. I got some other things going but if the
>>whirl can stay on at full power on the Cuyuna then its strong
>>enough. I never use full throttle in that Dack anyway. I was told
>>that I can get another prop and pass on the cost, so now I may buy
>>another one just for grins. I still trust the one I repaired a hell
>>of a lot more than this new one with the cheese hub.
>>
>>Ron @ KFHU
>>========================
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>06/27/09 17:55:00
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> fwiw...I have a friend who got a prop from a well known co...with the
> holes mis aligned... He went down there to show them the problem and came
> home shaking his head ...They use an old , in his words; worn out drill
> press...to drill the holes.. He plugged the holes and drilled new
> ones...Herb
For the benefit of list members, could you tell us who this well known
company is, please?
john h
mkIII
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I live in Ky...so down there is south...:-) Go fly John!! :-) Herb
At 02:16 PM 6/28/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>> fwiw...I have a friend who got a prop from a well known
>> co...with the holes mis aligned... He went down there to show them
>> the problem and came home shaking his head ...They use an old , in
>> his words; worn out drill press...to drill the holes.. He plugged
>> the holes and drilled new ones...Herb
>
>
>For the benefit of list members, could you tell us who this well
>known company is, please?
>
>john h
>mkIII
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>06/27/09 17:55:00
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Subject: | Penetrating oils |
One of the guys in our EAA chapter sent me this for the newsletter. I
thought it might me of interest.
Rick
Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out
torque on rusted nuts.
Significant results! They are below, as forwarded by an ex-student and
professional machinist, Bud Baker.
Don't forget the April 2007 "Machinist's Workshop" magazine comparison test.
They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with the
control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically
rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ...................... 516 pounds
WD-40 .................... 238 pounds
PB Blaster .............. 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ........ 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............... 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix.......53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission
fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one
particular test.
Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all now use it with
equally good results.
Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of
the price.
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Subject: | Re: Penetrating oils |
Liquid Wrench ........ 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............... 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix.......53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one
particular test.
Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about
20% of the price.
Rick:
I am a fan of Kroil. It works miracles. My own personal experience
indicates it is far superior to Liquid Wrench and PB Blaster.
I do a lot of work on 9 antique tractors, some older than me. ;-)
Makes life a lot easier working on these old babies.
I'll give the ATF/acetone mix a try, but will have to be careful using
it in areas of paint and plastics/lexan.
Even though it cost more, I'll stick to Kroil as my primary assistant.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: VG test done on GA airplane, and "Slow flight" with VGS |
Good Lord John. Why don't you just try the VGs or quit commenting on the subject.
Maybe you are just trying to stir the pot and have some fun.
--------
Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
Well checked the new prop today at full power for some extended period. That prop
is good!
Cheese hub or not. I could feel the pull of the air into the prop real good. It
looks to me like that hub has enough strength margin to where two more holes
did not bother it at all. Out of curiosity I need to find some serious fish scale
and see what is the difference if any between this T.N prop and the old one.
It sure felt smoother obviously, it was balanced more recently. If that canard
was repaired ( need an eye bolt,, on order) I would have taken it up just
to see what I can see. Iow I am okay with this new cheese hub prop.
==================================
---- Herb <herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
============
Some guys just glue maple dowells in the old holes and start over...
Recall that the glue is stronger than the wood...:-)
fwiw...I have a friend who got a prop from a well known co...with
the holes mis aligned... He went down there to show them the problem
and came home shaking his head ...They use an old , in his words;
worn out drill press...to drill the holes.. He plugged the holes and
drilled new ones...Herb
At 09:40 AM 6/28/2009, you wrote:
>
>Drilling a second set of mounting holes into the hub, would that not
>weaken that area just a mite?
>Don't sound right to me, cheese hub prop, I don't like sound of
>that. Send it back. Give them the time to do it right or order a
>Culver from Valley Engineering.
>jerb
>
>
>At 09:46 AM 6/27/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>Richard I have not seen a post from Mike Welsh on Valley engineering???
>>
>>I googled yesterday and got a hold of PPG propellers. Later finally
>>got a hold of someone at T.N. Props and he suggested that I see if
>>the holes line up and if maybe I can drill holes to get the prop
>>on. As it turned out the hub already had about 6 frigging holes in
>>it and by pure chance I guess, two actually lined up with my hub.
>>I took the backing plates off bolted them in on the two lined up
>>holes, and drilled another two. It is on now fine looking pretty as
>>it gets, with one caveat all the frigging holes in that hub can't
>>do much for strength. I got some other things going but if the
>>whirl can stay on at full power on the Cuyuna then its strong
>>enough. I never use full throttle in that Dack anyway. I was told
>>that I can get another prop and pass on the cost, so now I may buy
>>another one just for grins. I still trust the one I repaired a hell
>>of a lot more than this new one with the cheese hub.
>>
>>Ron @ KFHU
>>========================
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>06/27/09 17:55:00
--
kugelair.com
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Subject: | Re: Penetrating oils |
I never had much luck with liquid wrench.
PB Blaster is superior and Thrust is good stuff too.
-hard to find though.
BB
On 28, Jun 2009, at 7:04 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> One of the guys in our EAA chapter sent me this for the newsletter.
> I thought it might me of interest.
>
> Rick
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts.
> Significant results! They are below, as forwarded by an ex-student
> and professional machinist, Bud Baker.
>
> Don't forget the April 2007 "Machinist's Workshop" magazine
> comparison test.
>
> They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with
> the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a
> "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
> None ...................... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 .................... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster .............. 214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ........ 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............... 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix.......53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test.
>
> Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all now use it
> with equally good results.
>
> Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for
> about 20% of the price.
>
>
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