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1. 03:24 AM - Re: 2009 Kolb Homecoming Canceled. (icrashrc)
2. 04:09 AM - Re: "Burping" the oil in a 912 (Thom Riddle)
3. 04:52 AM - Re: Re: "Burping" the oil in a 912 (John Hauck)
4. 07:45 AM - Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion now! (robcannon)
5. 07:46 AM - Re: "Burping" the oil in a 912 (Ralph B)
6. 08:01 AM - Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion now! (lucien)
7. 08:45 AM - Re: Rotax 503 running problem (dalewhelan)
8. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion now! (Dana Hague)
9. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion now! (b young)
10. 02:44 PM - HACman system (Larry Cottrell)
11. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion now! (Richard Girard)
12. 04:23 PM - Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion now! (ronlee)
13. 05:37 PM - Kiev Prop Still for Sale? (mark rinehart)
14. 06:46 PM - Changing engines. (Jimmy Young)
15. 06:49 PM - Re: Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion now! (Richard Girard)
16. 07:02 PM - New Videos (ces308)
17. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion now! (possums)
18. 07:40 PM - Re: Changing engines. (Arksey@aol.com)
19. 07:53 PM - Re: New Videos (robert bean)
20. 11:01 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
21. 11:09 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: 2009 Kolb Homecoming Canceled. |
No Homecoming? I'm crushed. Paul and I planned on doing a little composites seminar
@ the Homecoming this year. Maybe things will be looking better in 2010...
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Scott
www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: "Burping" the oil in a 912 |
RE:
.....Heres a question for our Kolb Friends flying the 912
When checking the oil level during preflight, how many times must we turn the engine
over in order to get an accurate oil level reading? ....
To add a bit to what Lucien said, I've found that holding the prop against the
high resistance part of the prop turning process, until the resistance bleeds
down, speeds up the burping process and reduces the number of blade turns required
to hear the burp.
How many turns it takes depends upon how high the tank is relative to the case
and how long it has been sitting. I don't check the oil until I hear the burp,
and have never had a too-much-oil mess.
I can't answer BB's question about why the thank is mounted where it is, but Rotax
is very specific about the acceptable height range.
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| Subject: | Re: "Burping" the oil in a 912 |
> When checking the oil level during preflight, how many times must we turn
the engine over in order to get an accurate oil level reading? ....
Dennis K:
I went over to the airstrip yesterday to see if I still had an airplane.
Decided to check the oil and see if it would crank. It has been sitting
since I landed, the end of May.
Took 21 blades, or 7 complete revolutions of the prop, or 17 crank revs to
get it to burp. Probably a good idea to do the burp maneuver. Should help
prelube the engine before start up.
The 912ULS fired right up and ran well.
Last winter I put a small 2 amp solar panel on my hanger. Keep it plugged
into the mkIII battery. Battery stays hot now during extended periods of
storage. Before the solar panel, the battery would pull down from operation
of the aircraft clock, which is wired direct to the battery. Nice not to
have to jump start the airplane, plus it is much better for the life of the
battery.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion now! |
It would be interesting to know what the difference in sink rate is (at stall)
with and without vg's. In a previous post I stated that my stall went down from
38 ish to 26 ish. When I say "stall", I am referring to the break, but even
though it is controllable right down to very low airspeeds now, I think the
sink rate is much higher at 26 with vg's than at 38 with now vg's.
IF I am correct in this assumption, then landing with vg's at a lower airspeed
would not increase the risk of bounce? hmmmmmmmm.....
What vg's definatly do, is keep the aircraft controllable at a lower airspeed,
or, give you a larger safety margin at higher airspeeds ( I choose somewhere
in between) The chance of a stall spin turning downwind is reduced, as is
the chance of a wing dropping on final.
Gotta love those VG's !! [Wink]
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| Subject: | Re: "Burping" the oil in a 912 |
Dennis,
As John and others have said, check the oil level after your flight for an accurate
reading on the dipstick. I would say it takes about 10 revs before hearing
the "burp". Do this with the oil cap off. For some reason, anything over the
lower level on the dipstick is siphoned out of the reservoir and ends up on the
prop. On my Kolbra, I cannot get at the drain plug, so I have to siphon the
oil out with a hand pump vacuum container. It works well, but leaves some oil
in the reservoir. I remove the ring on the oil reservoir and stick a tube down
there.
While on the topic, the oil of choice is Honda HP4 semi-synthetic motorcycle oil
(without moly). This is what I use in my Goldwing too. It's good for the gears
in the 912 as well as the engine.
Ralph B
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion now! |
robcannon wrote:
> It would be interesting to know what the difference in sink rate is (at stall)
with and without vg's. In a previous post I stated that my stall went down
from 38 ish to 26 ish. When I say "stall", I am referring to the break, but
even though it is controllable right down to very low airspeeds now, I think the
sink rate is much higher at 26 with vg's than at 38 with now vg's.
> IF I am correct in this assumption, then landing with vg's at a lower airspeed
would not increase the risk of bounce? hmmmmmmmm.....
> What vg's definatly do, is keep the aircraft controllable at a lower airspeed,
or, give you a larger safety margin at higher airspeeds ( I choose somewhere
in between) The chance of a stall spin turning downwind is reduced, as
is the chance of a wing dropping on final.
> Gotta love those VG's !! [Wink]
Well remember - we only talk about stall _speeds_ under certain circumstances (i.e.
steady-state conditions like straight-level flight). What VG's alter is the
_angle of attack_ at which the wing stalls (airspeed does not determine stall,
only AoA does), the change in stall speeds is a secondary effect of that.
This change is the unknown element in this case. I.e. how does the kolb react now
when allowed to fly at higher _AoA's_ without stalling? I.e. does the current
tail design, boom tube length, etc., behave in a different way now or ?
I remember with my FSII, 3-pointing it on landing was already quite a challenge
without VG's due to the tail becoming quite ineffective at around the stall.
The wing would generally stall before I could touch the tailwheel down first.
I have no idea how a higher AoA capability of the main wing would affect this.
Could have been great, could have been dangerous. Point being, I didn't know
and I'd have had to do some flight testing to determine that....
And as I hate being a test pilot...... and the plane flew and landed fabulously
already and...... you get my drift ;)......
LS
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Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 503 running problem |
I guess what I'm getting at is what do you stand to "gain" by adding more oil?
It seems you are trying to solve some perceived "problem" with the 503 that simply
doesn't exist.
My first response when reading your post was "You're running 32:1? , Why?"
I guess the best answer is that from my new to Rotax point of view, the engineers
that claim 300 hour TBO also recommended 50:1
So I would have to say you are right, I was trying to solve a problem that does
not really exist. From what I have heard, the motor goes quite beyond 300 hours
on a very regular basis.
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Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion |
now!
At 10:42 AM 7/1/2009, robcannon wrote:
>It would be interesting to know what the difference in sink rate is (at
>stall) with and without vg's.
I'd be even more interested in knowing what effect VG's have, if any, on
glide angle.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion |
now!
>It would be interesting to know what the difference in sink rate is (at
>stall) with and without vg's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It just seems to me, when I was much younger, that I learned, or at least
was told that at the point of stall. The wing quits flying and starts
falling out of the sky. Now if we are talking sink rate after the wing has
stalled,,, or in other words, the sink rate during the falling out of the
sky portion of flight. Maybe at that point we are referring to the
parachute effect of the wing. Seems to me that it is safer to fly the
plane within an inch or two of the ground, instead of riding a falling leaf
out of the sky. Or better yet, fly to the ground and do a wheel landing.
That way putting the entire flight under my control instead of putting
gravity in the pilot seat... if we are always flying on the edge,,, sooner
or later gravity will win. If you enjoy riding the falling leaf,, best get
some spin training.
Boyd
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I just completed the installation of the "HACman system" by Jerry @
Green Sky Aviation. Cost plus shipping was $201.00. This is of course
the one for the 912 Rotax and HKS engines. I took it up for only 18
minutes as a short test since I didn't finish the installation until the
thermals were bumping and the temps were climbing. Primarily I wanted to
make sure that I had it working before I take a test trip with it. I had
no problem controlling the EGT's at all. The EGT has been quite low all
along, reading in the low 1200's and should be in the high 1300's to
achieve maximum horsepower and fuel usage.
I made a 3 hour flight with it today and posted the pictures and
findings on my Blog. You are welcome to view it if you would like the
URL is;
http://owyheeflyer.blogspot.com/
Larry C.
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion now! |
Boyd, I take it you've never learned to do a falling leaf stall.
Rick
do not archive
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:36 PM, b young <by0ung@brigham.net> wrote:
>
>
> >It would be interesting to know what the difference in sink rate is (at
> >stall) with and without vg's.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> It just seems to me, when I was much younger, that I learned, or at least
> was told that at the point of stall. The wing quits flying and starts
> falling out of the sky. Now if we are talking sink rate after the wing has
> stalled,,, or in other words, the sink rate during the falling out of the
> sky portion of flight. Maybe at that point we are referring to the
> parachute effect of the wing. Seems to me that it is safer to fly the
> plane within an inch or two of the ground, instead of riding a falling leaf
> out of the sky. Or better yet, fly to the ground and do a wheel landing.
> That way putting the entire flight under my control instead of putting
> gravity in the pilot seat... if we are always flying on the edge,,,
> sooner
> or later gravity will win. If you enjoy riding the falling leaf,, best get
> some spin training.
>
> Boyd
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion now! |
There is one aspect of VGs that no one has talked about. I fly a 701 Zenith so
this may or may not apply to the Kolb. I removed my slats and installed VGs. One
of the significant differences I found is that at high altitude my attack angle
is considerably less. This was a significant advantage to me as I live in
mountainous country and frequently fly quite high. I get better speed with the
same throttle setting.
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | Kiev Prop Still for Sale? |
Mike Bigelow - sorry to keep bugging you about the Kiev prop, but I tried sending
you a PM but got no reply (perhaps I've got the wrong email address). If it's
still for sale, I'm interested. If not, that's okay too.
Mark Rinehart
--- On Fri, 6/19/09, mark rinehart <capt_riney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: mark rinehart <capt_riney@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Kiev Prop
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 8:00 PM
> Mike Bigelow - is that Kiev prop
> still for sale? I just bought a 582 for my Kolb Mark
> III and am looking for a prop.
>
> Mark Rinehart
> capt_riney@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Changing engines. |
After 11 months and 112 hrs of flying with my Generac, I've pulled it off and am
getting a new HKS 700 for my Kolb.
The reason for the change is the fact that I could not get adequate power out of
the Generac to safely fly my Kolb. At 435 lbs. empty, 750 lbs. fully loaded
(220 lbs. of me, 80 lbs. of fuel and a little baggage), I never got a comfortable
climb rate. I think the Generac may work great for a lighter plane like the
Valley Engineering Backyard Flyer, a true Ultralight at 254 lbs., but I was
taxing it beyond it's safe flying capacity with my weights.
Even though it did not work out for me, I can't say enough good things about the
Smith's at Valley Engineering. Together, we tried everything we could to squeeze
out more performance. They bent over backwards trying to help me out sending
me free props to try, and making suggestions such as removing the air cowling
to eliminate the blower fan power draw. I learned much, had fun, & have no
regrets for trying it. I had hit the point where I did not like to fly my plane
because I knew it was not going to get any better, and I became timid about
landing anywhere other than a long strip. I want to be able to fly my Kolb into
an 800' strip and have no concerns about getting out.
I hauled my Kolb down to Jerry Olenik at Greensky two weekends ago and dropped
it off for the engine install. Should be ready in 2 or 3 more weeks, and I'm looking
forward to getting it back and flying again soon. I know they are expensive
little suckers, but I am fortunate enough to be somewhat able to afford it,
(still employed, wife works, kids grown) and flying my Kolb is what I like
to do. When I get it back, I'll post again with photos & info.
--------
Jimmy Young
FS II, soon to have an HKS 700E on it.
Houston TX
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion now! |
Boyd, I take it you've never learned to do a falling leaf stall.
Rick
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On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:36 PM, b young <by0ung@brigham.net> wrote:
>
>
> >It would be interesting to know what the difference in sink rate is (at
> >stall) with and without vg's.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> It just seems to me, when I was much younger, that I learned, or at least
> was told that at the point of stall. The wing quits flying and starts
> falling out of the sky. Now if we are talking sink rate after the wing has
> stalled,,, or in other words, the sink rate during the falling out of the
> sky portion of flight. Maybe at that point we are referring to the
> parachute effect of the wing. Seems to me that it is safer to fly the
> plane within an inch or two of the ground, instead of riding a falling leaf
> out of the sky. Or better yet, fly to the ground and do a wheel landing.
> That way putting the entire flight under my control instead of putting
> gravity in the pilot seat... if we are always flying on the edge,,,
> sooner
> or later gravity will win. If you enjoy riding the falling leaf,, best get
> some spin training.
>
> Boyd
>
>
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Hello All !
Now don't beat me up on this...this was my first time doing this,so cut me some
slack...Not sure how to post the site like some of you guys,but it you go to
YouTube and search Kolb,Kolb aircraft,or Kolb Mark 3 Xtra and look for the one
by ces308.I will get some on from our fly-in this weekend too.
Enjoy!
chris ambrose
m3x/JAB
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion |
now!
>The wing quits flying and starts falling out of the sky.
No .....it just try's to keep flying - here's 25+ - mph "on the edge"
nothing big happens - less than before, it just mushes, doesn't break as sharp
mine's a little different than yours though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAKPPcoSsxM
>some spin training.or a falling leaf stall ??
VGs make it easier, not harder.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6787107193246239411
>It would be interesting to know what the difference in sink rate
I don't think it makes any difference? But I don't want to take them
off to see.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2887020469201792731
>Boyd, I take it you've never learned to do a falling leaf stall.
>
>On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:36 PM, b young
><<mailto:by0ung@brigham.net>by0ung@brigham.net> wrote:
><<mailto:by0ung@brigham.net>by0ung@brigham.net>
>
>
> >It would be interesting to know what the difference in sink rate is (at
> >stall) with and without vg's.
>
>It just seems to me, when I was much younger, that I learned, or at least
>was told that at the point of stall. The wing quits flying and starts
>falling out of the sky. --snip.. if we are always flying on the edge,,, sooner
>or later gravity will win. If you enjoy riding the falling leaf,, best get
>some spin training.
>
>Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Changing engines. |
Jimmy,
will be looking forward to the info on how the HKS works out on your
firestar. thanks for the post.
Jim
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firestar ll, 503, N663S
Eaton Rapids, Mi. 48827
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took a while to find it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp1q9JAv1I4
looks good
BB
On 1, Jul 2009, at 10:00 PM, ces308 wrote:
>
> Hello All !
> Now don't beat me up on this...this was my first time doing this,so
> cut me some slack...Not sure how to post the site like some of you
> guys,but it you go to YouTube and search Kolb,Kolb aircraft,or Kolb
> Mark 3 Xtra and look for the one by ces308.I will get some on from
> our fly-in this weekend too.
> Enjoy!
>
> chris ambrose
> m3x/JAB
> N327CS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251052#251052
>
>
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "kolb-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Kolb-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the Kolb-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/kolb-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kolb-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kolb-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kolb-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kolb-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kolb-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kolb-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Kolb-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kolb
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
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associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
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- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
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- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
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- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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